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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 02:58 PM Original message |
I'm predicting a republican win in November... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. 1992 was pretty rough, too |
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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. 1992 had the benefit of 3rd party candidate who weakened the incumbant |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Exactly. There would be NO Clinton victory without Perot. nt |
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annie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 08:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
94. exactly. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Yes, I agree |
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Yes We Did (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
61. McCain might actually be better for our party than Hillary. |
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Monty__ (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #14 |
75. I actually disagree |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. And by odd coincidence, a Clinton was in on that one, too. |
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Not the Only One (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
2. Over? Did you say "over"? |
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mathewsleep (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
3. the bruised and beaten obama losing to mccain is |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Well good luck in getting the party behind her in 2012 if that's the plan... |
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mathewsleep (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. i hope she's not dumb enough to try to sabotage obama. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Welcome to two weeks ago...nt |
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mathewsleep (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. god, i know... |
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azmouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
6. Don't throw in the towel. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. McCain is loved by Independents though... |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. And once the mud-slinging gets started, there's no telling who will get hit. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. What are they going to do? Say that we have a minority hire who isn't qualified to be CIC? |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
95. With an unvetted candidate, we can only hope whatever they come up with isn't true. |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. I think he's lost the independents with his stance on the war |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. I think his recent torture vote is actually far more damaging than that... |
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karmicglee (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
98. Pessimism is the worst companion |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #6 |
99. Those that don't like him: he isn't far enough right |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
9. Deleted sub-thread |
FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
10. I doubt that....... |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. I hope your crystal ball is better than mine...I see the next six weeks as... |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Well, maybe if someone who is losing sat down, we would win..... |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. I would be MORE than willing to accept a joint ticket if that's what it took |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
12. I wonder if this is Hillary's plan. Beat him up, make him lose, then run in 2012. |
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InAbLuEsTaTe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. It's plain as the nose on your face. She's running for 2012 RIGHT NOW! |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
60. candidates who fail to win |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Do you remember the very testy debate |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. I'll quote Tom Brokaw and say that... |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. Finding excuses for your weak candidate already? n/t |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. why is he winning? |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Obama obviously didn't get the memo that she was owed the nomination, or possibly... |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #29 |
41. Who said Clinton was supposed to do anything but campaign her heart out n/t |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. I have absolutely NO problem with Clinton campaigning her heart out...I do have a problem... |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
64. This is the part I don't get: what made you think your candidate would |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #64 |
83. unscathed? Of course not. Damaged goods based on unfair attacks? That seems |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #29 |
57. Neither of them are winning. Whether it's Clinton or Obama, our |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. He is winning. |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #58 |
68. He's got a plurality. More Democrats have voted |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #68 |
89. He hasn't won, but he CLEARLY is winning. Anything else is pure spin... |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Neither has a chance of winning. He may be the biggest loser, |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #92 |
103. You really are making no sense. Obama has more delegates right now... |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 08:12 PM Response to Reply #58 |
93. Not according to the rules of the primary. But , hey, it's the "new politics," |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #93 |
104. Hence the point of my post... |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
47. Oh, her strategy will fail, make no mistake. Just like every other thing she has done this campaign |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #12 |
53. "I know that McCain will enter the White House with a lifetime of experience. Obama has a speech." |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. It would be like Kennedy running in 1984...the party will be OVER her in 2012... |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #55 |
70. Yeah, but she had only been in the Senate for three years, hardly |
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Still-ill (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
16. To be honest |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
77. LOL. |
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aquarius dawning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
22. I think we're definitely overestimating our chances and underestimating John McCain's. |
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BlueManDude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. I've always feared McCain - that they almost chose someone else is amazing |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. If only Romney was more likeable... |
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BlueStater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #31 |
51. I don't see him as being a superior candidate to Dole at all |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. 5 years getting tortured in a prison camp doesn't equate to inspiration? |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
32. For the Record, I Do Not Believe Hillary Is "Owed" an Election |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Well again, the message that he's unqualified and is only there because of misogyny... |
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Popol Vuh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
33. What? McCain win? |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
34. I can't believe people actually think McCain has a prayer |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. That's what we said about Nixon too! |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
65. And Raygun n/t |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. This is exactly the attitude which is leading us to a McCain victory in November... |
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BlueManDude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Democrats only win presidential elections when national security is not the issue |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
59. With Admiral Fallon's resignation, it looks as though we will be at |
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Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #34 |
73. No, he doesn't have to cheat. He's got to be the odds-on favorite right now |
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Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #34 |
74. Self Delete |
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Nay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
80. MCCAIN isn't who the idiots vote for. They vote for the REPUBLICAN. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
36. People, people, get a grip. The country is in the worst shape it's |
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BlueManDude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Listen man - it's ALL about terrorism and national security |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Every time I even mention the importance of national security on this forum... |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Absolutely agree that National Security is important. That's why its so damaging when we state... |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #49 |
62. And we'll have a candidate who looks more comfortable |
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BlueManDude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. The Democrats have won 3 presidential elections in my lifetime |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. I agree this will certainly be a big issue, especially if there is another incident...but... |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #54 |
107. Excellent post - thank you for posting it! |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. The NY Giants don't have a chance to win the Super Bowl either... |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
48. Yeah, I'd want YOU next to me in a fire fight.... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #48 |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #48 |
66. ... |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
63. McCain can easily be defeated if you run a campaign like Obama does |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. except for his inability to fend off even the lightest of attacks... |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #69 |
84. On the contrary - Obama has fended off TONS of attacks, that's why... |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #69 |
100. Perhaps you don't know who is in the lead right now? |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
67. While I agree that we will loose in Nov... |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #67 |
85. Nancy Pelosi would disagree with you, as would many others. Stating that... |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #67 |
102. Number's 1, 5, and 7 need to be paid attention to. |
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Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
71. These ugly campaigns from both BO and Hillar will pave the way for McLame. |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
72. I'm totally certain we'll win. This mean I'll be a happier person than you until November. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #72 |
86. Great point, and great perspective! nt |
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Nay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
76. I agree it's lookin' pretty iffy for the Dems. I have to say that I expected |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
78. I'll just bet you are. |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Heh. I predict an influx of trolls from now to November.... |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
79. The only solution I see is the solution most here reject: |
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Levgreee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Why would Hillary be on a ticket with someone who hasn't "met the commander in chief threshold"? |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. 'Cause she doesn't really believe it. She's just trying to win... |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Absolutely agree. I would be TOTALLY for a unity ticket...RIGHT NOW... |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #87 |
96. I fear we may have already passed the failsafe point. |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
90. Don't talk that way. There is a surge amongst Democrats, Independants and |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
91. Don't talk that way. There is a surge amongst Democrats, Independants and |
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Penndems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
97. At this particular juncture, I have a tendency to agree with you, sfam |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
101. The typical failing of the progressive wusses: giving up before the battle. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. I really don't get how a prediction implies giving up... |
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workinclasszero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
106. 2012? |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-12-08 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
108. Dems are already dropping away |
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