Do you believe Clark when he says "I don't want to be VP"?

[Padraig18]

He just said he did not want to be Sen. Kerry's VP on CNN's Inside Politics.

Do you believe him?

[Kahuna]

1. Nooo. I think he wants it - - a lot.

nt

[BootinUp]

2. transcript please

[Padraig18]

6. It's at CNN dot com.

I'd try there.

[BootinUp]

12. no not yet. why don't we wait for it

before starting another thread where everyone heard it different. just a thought.

[Padraig18]

14. I heard what I heard...

... and reported it accurately.

[cally]

19. I heard the same thing Padraig

You reported accurately. :hi:

[Padraig18]

20. Thanks!

It's sounded like a polite, but firm 'No, thanks!' to me, cally. :hi:

[Edwards4President]

75. Here it is:

Woodruff: Is this a possible ticket, General? Are you interested in running with him?

Clark: No, I'm not interested in that, Judy. What I am interested in doing is helping John Kerry be elected president.

[Guava Jelly]

3. Nope

NEXT !

[pmbryant]

4. That's a standard cliche answer to that type of question

What else is he going to say? It's a bit undignified to say 'I'd love to be VP', and then not be picked.

--Peter

[Padraig18]

10. That's not what he said.

He said (paraphrasing accurately), "I got in the race to become President. I don't want to be VP. That said, I will do anything to help sen. kerry get elected."

[BootinUp]

16. That is such a long way from saying,

Will Not

[Padraig18]

17. I don't agree.

I don't think he was parsing his words. I think he meant what he said, and what most people would have understood him to say.

[pmbryant]

22. "I will do anything to help Sen. Kerry get elected"

That can easily be read as, 'If he asks me to be his running mate, I will accept'.

About all you can tell from his statement is that he's not ruling anything out ("I will do anything...").

:-)

Peter

[Padraig18]

26. It's a sincere question on my part.

I think any long-time Clark supporter here will remember that I have always liked, admired and defended Gen. Clark, even when I was flamed by fellow Dean supporters for doing so. The one thing I always admired about him was his straight-forwardness and plain-spokeness. That said, it would seem to me odd for him to suddenly become so Machiavellian.

I could be wrong, but I frankly felt as if he were politely, but firmly saying 'No, thanks!'.

:)

[Tom Rinaldo]

30. Yes, your honor is good with me lol

But we disagree. By the way, to really parse words, saying "I'm not interested in that" is less definitive than saying "I don't want to be VP", and Clark said the former (I am responding to a different poster with this statement, I know).

I think what Clark is interested in is turning this country around, and the way he has identified to do that is to help John Kerry get elected President. I think that includes the possibility of accepting the VP nod if it is concluded by insiders that what Wes has to offer is what John needs to win. If he wanted to Clark could have said; "I would not accept a nomination for Vice President", and Clark did not say that.

[Padraig18]

37. Ok, how about this?

Could it be his way of saying "I'll do it if you TRULY don't think anyone else can help you as much, but only then"?

[Tom Rinaldo]

59. Uh huh. That would fit his character more.

Clark knows he will contribute to the campaign to oust Bush no matter who Kerry names as his VP. Clark is not as convinced that running for VP makes as much sense given his skill set, as running for President did. However Clark really has devoted his entire adult life to; Honor, Duty, Country, and he will not change now. If Kerry says he needs Clark, and if Clark believes the working relationship between them is good enough for constructive team work to be viable, he would accept the calling and serve as needed. Clark does not go half way down a road and then back down, if the road he is on is the one that must be traveled.

[Crunchy Frog]

32. I think that the VP question is

the type of question that calls for much more circuspect answers. It is a decision that the nominee probably wants to keep close to his chest right up until he announces it.

To give any information prematurely would be to assist the enemy. The enemy cant't fight what it doesn't know. Clark, or any other potential running mate must know this. Therefore he gives an answer that leaves the option open without giving any information about who the actual choice might be.

Whether or not he is chosen, he answered absolutely correctly.

[bigwillq]

27. I think Clark would accept it if asked

I think the same about Edwards too especially since Edwards would still be young in 8 years assuming Kerry wins two terms. I think most politicians would accept. It's an honor and I beleive a stepping stone to bigger and better things.




edit: spell

[Toucano]

62. You've got it.

I think your take is pretty accurate.

[Crunchy Frog]

28. Sound like he's saying that if

it would help Kerry get elected, he would accept VP.

[LandOLincoln]

31. In fact he said he's "not interested" in the VP job, he's interested

in getting John Kerry elected president, and "not interested" is an exact quote, not a paraphrase.

Big difference between saying that, and answering with a flat No if Woodruff had asked him if he'd accept the job if Kerry offered it. (A question Woodruff did not ask, as I trust you noticed.)

[GainesT1958]

5. I think he doesn't really WANT the job actively...

But would take it if Kerry offered it...which he may well do. I'll believe he's "out of the running" when Kerry's people say it!

B-)

[displacedtexan]

7. It's a tradition in party politics to answer that way.

"Big bounce when you announce" is the motto.

[rucky]

8. saying you don't want to is a funny way of saying you want to

that sucks but you gotta take it on face value

[buddy22600]

9. Nope

[maddezmom]

11. if it's offered I hope he takes it

as for believing him, they all answer that way. :)

[cally]

13. Nope

I think Clark wants to be VP. I'm not convinced Kerry wants him. ;-)

[damnraddem]

15. Yes, I believe him.

But if he says that he won't RUN for VP, then I won't believe him.

Not only might Kerry not want him, but why would Kerry need him? There are other southerners available, including Edwards.

[LandOLincoln]

35. Yes, there are other Southerners, but none of them has the kind

of foreign policy/national security chops Clark has--and that, not so coincidentally, is exactly the area in which Bush consistently out-polls Kerry.

And Kerry definitely wants him, as he hinted very broadly in Wisconsin on February 13th:

"General Clark is not going to stand behind me, he's going to stand beside me in this great battle to take America back."

[Ilsa]

18. I think if it's offered, he will serve. n/t

[mikehiggins]

21. Do I beleive he doesn't WANT to be VP? sure

He didn't run for VP, he ran for President.

Do I think he'd turn the VP nod down if it was offered?

Ahem.

If Kerry asked Clark to be his running mate I'm fairly certain Clark would say yes in a New York minute.

And if Kerry doesn't? Clark'll still keep fighting to get Bush out of office. That's the mission, after all, and Clark is a very goal-oriented guy.

And the old thinking about how this guy could bring this state, or that guy could pick up a region, or any of the rest of it? I really doubt that applies anymore.

Its a new day.

[BootinUp]

24. politics never changes

sorry to say.

But that does not mean Clark is not high on Kerry's list.

[Crunchy Frog]

23. I believe he would accept

the position if he was asked to. He has said that he would do whatever it takes to help get Kerry into the whitehouse. If that meant accepting the VP position, he would, even if he didn't really want it.

I think he would be the best pick for VP. Kerry, rightly or wrongly, may disagree with that assessement, but the decision is in his hands and not ours.

I don't at all doubt however, that Clark would accept if asked.

[LuLu550]

25. If he said it, I believe it

He probably want to be Sec. of Defense or Sec. of State.
No way he endorsed Kerry so quickly and is campaigning for him so hard without Kerry saying he could have some prominent post Clark would desire.
AND I'm a Clarkie, so don't flame me, Clarkies! I'm still wearing my buttons, stars and have my bumper stickers and signs up!

[Crunchy Frog]

34. I disagree

I think he would be doing exactly what he's doing even if he's been offered absolutely nothing.

I genuinely believe that his main concern is with the well being of the country, and getting Bush out. He is doing everything that he can at this point to get Bush out and I don't think his own ambitions are involved at all.

He may have some position in a Kerry administration, and he may very well not. I don't believe that's a motivating factor for him. I think he would be very happy if Kerry just wins the election.

[LuLu550]

36. maybe I should clarify...

I was surprised at how quickly Clark went over to Kerry, so my take was Kerry courted Clark heavily, not that Clark said "I'll do it if you let me be X if you are elected."

[Crunchy Frog]

60. It didn't surprise me at all.

Endorsing Kerry seemed to me like the most natural move for Clark to make once he realized that he didn't have a chance at the nomination himself.

He had always said that he believed the nominee had to have strong foreign policy and national security credentials. He had also said some things while he was running to strongly suggest that Kerry was his preferred candidate before he got in, and he wouldn't have gotten in if Kerry had been taking off in the polls.

I believe that the timing of the endorsement may have had something to do with the Drudge smear, but once he was out, I am certain that Kerry was the one that he wanted to win the nomination.

I strongly believe that Clark was acting entirely of his own volition, not because of being courted. He is very much his own man, and his agenda is getting Bush out of office.

[Florida_Geek]

29. Remember Bush's Poll numbers

IMHO, the higher Kerry is doing, the Clarks/Edwards/etc will be looking for the VP position.

[Gloria]

33. Mosey on over this thread on some of the reasons why Clark will be the VP

candidate....




http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x449347

[juajen]

73. Hi, Gloria

I agree, our General will be VP candidate. I believe this is so because he is being soooo ignored by the media. *co & Company, I think, are very scared of him, and that's why they have shut the media's mouths, so to speak. It's diabolical. Was really glad to see him again on TV this weekend.

BTW, I read your stuff a lot on Buzzflash. Great stuff!

[Jai4WKC08]

38. That's NOT what he said.

Here's the transcript, but let me give my opinion first. I don't know whether objectively he wants it or not, but I think when he says "I'm not interested in that" he means just what he says--that it's not what interests him. That is, what DOES interest him is getting Bush out of the White House. That anything else is a lesser priority. He was talking to some of us on Friday in Kansas, and someone yelled out "Kerry/Clark" and his response to us was, "That's not important." Clark is not a man to be "interested" in what he doesn't consider important.

OK, the transcript:

WOODRUFF: One other thing. You sent out a solicitation letter today. I think we have a picture of it. Where you, among other things, show a letterhead. And there's a very nice photograph there of you alongside Senator Kerry.

Is this a possible ticket, General? Are you interested in running with him?

CLARK: No, I'm not interested in that, Judy. What I am interested in doing is helping John Kerry be elected president.

I went into this race to become president of the United States because I felt a certain way about the country, about where it needed to go. I have those very strong feelings. I think John Kerry's the man our party's picked.

I think he's a good man. I think he'll make a great president. And I'm fully supporting John Kerry and want him to be elected. I'm going to do whatever I can to help him.

[Padraig18]

40. "No, I'm not interested in that, Judy."

I made it clear I was paraphrasing (no transcript was available at that time, since the words had JUST left his freaking mouth), and you can parse it all you want but my paraphrasing WAS accurate, ffs! :wtf:

[LandOLincoln]

42. Padraig, nobody wants to fight with you, we just disagree that

"No, I'm not interested in that" is another way of saying "I don't want the *&%#job and will refuse it if it's offered."

[Padraig18]

44. OK.

As I said up-thread, in response to Tom, perhaps it's a way of saying "I'll take it if you REALLY think that no one else can help you just as much, but only then". :)

[LandOLincoln]

50. You could be right. Anyway, peace to ya. :-) n/t

[Jai4WKC08]

47. I'm not criticizing you, Padraig

I wouldn't have gotten the words down any more accurately. If I had been typing from memory, I might have come up with words that more closely matched the point I thought he was trying to make. Because I do think there's a subtle but significant difference.

It may be a factor that I've been listening so closely everytime he's been asked the question. That doesn't mean I'm any more correct than you are about what he wants and what he'll accept, just that I have more context. But I also have my own wishful-thinking to contend with, so maybe it's a wash. ;)

[Padraig18]

48. Cool.

I've thought about it several times, and I said to Tom up-thread that he MAY be saying "I'll do it if you REALLY think no one else can help you just as much, but only then". :)

[robbedvoter]

39. He did NOT say "I won't be Kerry's Dick Cheney" (transcript included)

WOODRUFF: One other thing. You sent out a solicitation letter today. I think we have a picture of it. Where you, among other things, show a letterhead. And there's a very nice photograph there of you alongside Senator Kerry.

Is this a possible ticket, General? Are you interested in running with him?

CLARK: No, I'm not interested in that, Judy. What I am interested in doing is helping John Kerry be elected president.

I went into this race to become president of the United States because I felt a certain way about the country, about where it needed to go. I have those very strong feelings. I think John Kerry's the man our party's picked.

I think he's a good man. I think he'll make a great president. And I'm fully supporting John Kerry and want him to be elected. I'm going to do whatever I can to help him.

WOODRUFF: That means you're out on the campaign trail between now and November.

CLARK: Well, I've been out a few times already, and I'm looking forward to doing it again.
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0403/09/ip.00.html

Judy is questioning his motivation in helping kerry. he is smacking her down.
he did NOT answer the question.

I know it burns you deanies, but Kerry did NOT trick Clark into appearing he accepted already - the way dean did. And Clark respected kerry - always.

He said this before Iowa:

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/01/16/the_fury_of_the_democratic_convert?mode=PF
Clark said to the columnists: "I like John Kerry. If John Kerry wins and he becomes president, I'll be happy. The problem is, and the reason I'm in this race, is because I don't think John Kerry's going to win. He just hasn't taken off. He's not connecting. My wife said early on: `I like that man. He's a senator. He talks well. He's really smart. Why do they keep coming to you? Why don't they go to John Kerry?' "

[Padraig18]

41. FYI, this 'Deanie' happens to LIKE Gen. Clark.

Thanks for lumping us all together, and then dismissing us a 'Clark haters', or some lame-ass crap like that! BTW, your read a transcript; I saw the man's body language, heard his tone and inflection, etc., so in that sense, I am operating with MORE information about his answer than you are!:eyes:

[robbedvoter]

45. Sorry if I was wrong, but the implication that he lied threw me off

personally, i think kerry needs Clark more than Clark needs kerry.
Without Clark, I have very dim hopes :-(

[Padraig18]

46. I apologize if I was off-base, too.

It's just that when motives get atributed to me that I don't have, or my veracity is questioned, I tend to get very prickly very quickly.

Peace, OK? :hi:

[Jai4WKC08]

52. Ahhh, but...

Are you aware of the "history" between Clark and Woodruff? If not, you may have missed his smack-down motivation.

Let's just say, she has not been the most supportive or even fair of the CNN commentators. Not that any of them have been, with the possible exception of Aaron Brown. But she is one of the worst.

You should have heard her interview with Colin Powell, when she tried desparately to get him that he didn't like or respect General Clark. You know, like "all the other generals." Asked him FIVE times about an alleged quote, and everytime it was, well, this is what you said... what did you REALLY mean? Each time, Powell denied saying it at all, and ended up shutting her down with a remark, "I've known Wes Clark for 20 years. He's one of the most gifted soldiers that I have ever had work for me." (Powell was the one-star Assistant Division Commander when Clark was a battalion commander)

And personally, having watched and taped it, I don't see any body language that would support your conclusion.

[maddezmom]

57. you may like him again

but after Clark endorsed Kerry you were pretty vocal about your distaste for him. I'd search for links, but honestly it's not worth it.

[Padraig18]

58. That did piss me off, I'll admit.

But that was a momentary thing...

[BootinUp]

68. We all had those moments

:hi:

[SoonerShankle]

84. And I'm a Clarkie who likes Dean...

But I don't think bickering about an analytical interpretation of General Clarks brief appearance on CNN 8 mos. before the election is doing us any good. Entertaining us? Maybe. Enlightening us? Hardly. Dividing us?Probably. Not good....

[robbedvoter]

43. Earlier in AK - local interview he said this:

The interviewer asked him if Kerry offered him the vp spot would he accept it. He laughed and said he didn't want to speculate about that and went on to talk about how it was up to Kerry.

Same on Blitzer

BLITZER: General Clark, one final question: Do you want to be vice president of the United States?

CLARK: I think John Kerry's got to pick whoever's going to help him do the job best. He's got a process in place. I respect that.

As I said during the campaign, I was running to be president of the United States. I am going to try to help John Kerry, as he moves forward.
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0403/07/le.00.html

here's a how to guode from Boston Globe:

This is a tricky period for those hoping to be chosen as John Kerry's number two.

Here's the problem. Acting interested is seen as distinctly unbecoming.

Now, to the uninitiated, that may seem a little confusing.

After all, according to the unwritten rules of American politics, it is perfectly acceptable for each and every governor or senator to think he'd make an extraordinary president. But vice president? Why, to suggest you might possibly be vice presidential timber is considered the very height of hubris, the apogee of egotism, the peak of pomposity, the ... well, you get the idea.

Senator X says he's confident he's qualified to break the occasional tie in the Senate? To represent the United States when foreign leaders shuffle off this mortal coil? To lead the applause when the president gives his State of the Union speech?

Who, exactly, does he think he is?

So here's one basic rule: Treat the VP search like the senior prom. Even if you're dying to be asked, to be a desirable choice, you can't appear overeager. Which means you have to act indifferent, but not quite aloof.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/03/09/angling_for_vice_president/

[Spazito]

49. When Clark says succinctly "I will not accept if offered the VP...

position then it will be clear. In watching him with Judy today I got the impression that he was responding more to the manner in which she asked the question, using the picture on the letterhead than to anything else.

She did not ask if he would serve if asked.

[Faygo Kid]

51. What the he**'s the difference? He has endorsed Kerry; he will be vital

Geez, sometimes I don't get these threads. Clark is a great American; he has made it clear that he endorses Kerry 100%, and he has an important and vitally needed voice, as the Bushies go after ALL of us (like what you see so far?) I take him at his word. Why don't you?

[Padraig18]

54. Because everyone ELSE here keeping tells me that's NOT what he means.

Frankly, I REALLY thouhgt it was a firm, but polite 'No, thanks'.

:shrug:

[cosmokramer]

64. Because it is not what he means.

Edwards said the same thing.

It is called the "VP Dating Game". No one who covets it admits it.

[bowens43]

53. No. I don't believe anything that Clark says.

He has no credibility.

[cosmokramer]

65. Gimme a break!

[robbedvoter]

86. And I am to trust you on this because?

[elperromagico]

55. How many VPs actually wanted the job?

Let's hear from some former Vice Presidents on the subject:

"[The Vice Presidency] is the most insignificant office
that ever the invention of man contrived or his imagination
conceived." - John Adams, Vice President, 1789-1797

"I would a great deal rather be anything, say professor
of history, than Vice President." - Theodore Roosevelt,
Vice President, 1901

"This is a hell of a job.  I can only do two things:  one
is to sit up here and listen to you birds [Senators] talk...
The other is to look at newspapers every morning to see how
the President's health is." - Charles G. Dawes, Vice
President, 1925-1929

"The Vice Presidency isn't worth a pitcher of warm
spit." - John Nance Garner, Vice President, 1933-1941

"Look at all the Vice Presidents in history.  Where are
they? They were about as useful as a cow's fifth teat." -
Harry S Truman, Vice President, 1945

"The President has only 190 million bosses. The Vice
President has 190 million and one." - Hubert Humphrey,
Vice President, 1965-1969

[BootinUp]

69. nice collection of quotes

thanks for posting them.

[Exgeneral]

56. Seems like a bad idea

We worked our :kick: off, and what for?

[West Coast Democrat]

61. Did you believe Edwards when he said he didn't want to be VP?

[cosmokramer]

66. No, I don't believe anyone who says they don't want it...

...among those who ran for Pres. They all want it.

[cosmokramer]

63. That isn't what he said.

His answer was he wasn't campaigning to be VP.

NO ONE has admitted such.

He isn't going to say he is running for VP or that he is interested. No one has, no one will. That is how the game is played.

He may well not accept a VP spot if offered, but to assume such a statement as was made today means that is to assume too far.

EVERYONE says that, and the implication of the question was as it was over the weekend, ie. "General, seems to me like you are pandering to be VP...well, are you pandering General?"

[Edwards4President]

74. Um - that's exactly what he said:

Woodruff: Is this a possible ticket, General? Are you interested in running with him?

Clark: No, I'm not interested in that, Judy. What I am interested in doing is helping John Kerry be elected president.

[cosmokramer]

82. How many times can you be wrong in one day?

The top of this thread, the original poster said this:

Do you believe Clark when he says <i>"I don't want to be VP"?

He just said he did not want to be Sen. Kerry's VP on CNN's Inside Politics.</i>

Do you believe him?

Then you post this:

Um, that is exactly what he said:

Woodruff: Is this a possible ticket, General? Are you interested in running with him?

Clark: No, I'm not interested in that, Judy. What I am interested in doing is helping John Kerry be elected president.


NOW YOU PROVIDED THE TRANSCRIPT. CONTRAST THAT TO WHAT THE ORIGINAL POSTER SAID "I DON'T WANT TO BE VP". HE DID NOT SAY "I'm not interested" SENTENCE.

Now contrast that with my header of my post:

"That isn't what he said."

Well, he didn't say "I don't want to be VP". He didn't say that at all. He said "No, I'm not interested in that Judy. What I am interested in doing is helping John Kerry be elected president".

Judy was implying that he was campaigning to be VP. His answer was clearly meant to diffuse that, and effectively turned the focus back to the candidate, John Kerry.

NOW, since you are so in love with Edwards, can you tell me why some of you supporters are pushing for HIM to be VP, when he clearly stated he did not want to be VP????

Hardball with Chris Matthews. Check the transcript. He was actually very, very vigorous about absolutely NOT accepting a VP offer. Hmmm.

THE TRUTH IS, Edwards Supporter, NONE OF THE CANDIDATES are going to say they want to be VP. It doesn't work like that. That is not how the mating dance plays.

Now if you want to continue to harass me and follow me everywhere I post, by all means, do so. But I would rather not argue with you all day, I have better ways to waste my time.

[cosmokramer]

67. Insights from the Clark team....

Insights from the Clark blog.

Wes will get the VP question this entire election cycle until Kerry taps his choice. As the Boston Globe op-ed points out, everyone always says they don't want to be VP. It's one of those strange political games none of us would understand unless we were in politics at the level Kerry, Kennedy, Clinton and now Clark is engaged in.

What we do know is that Wes is the best fundraiser for John Kerry, second only to John Kerry. We do know that he is actively campaigning for Kerry, and has definitively asked us, his supporters, to support John Kerry because the mission is getting Bush out of the White House. Wes's goal is getting a Democrat in and Bush out.

Since the media no longer has a horse race between presidential candidates, they now have to talk about the horse race for the vice-presidency as if they know what they're talking about. Remember, they don't know what they're talking about. Two short months ago, frontrunnerHowardDean was the nominee according to the corporate media mouthpieces. Everyone else was wasting time and money.

[Zorra]

70. Yes. But I have a question:

You stated that he did not want to be VP, and I believe him. However, did he also say that he would not accept the position if he were called on to do so? Gen. Clark seems to have a strong sense of duty, and I think might accept the position if called upon to do so, unless he stated otherwise.

[jmoss]

71. Yes, I believe him. He had strong differences with Sen. Kerry during...

...his campaign, and furthermore, he may be lobbying for a more powerful position than VP, like Sec. of State; or a legislative or governor position!

I think John Kerry will select based on personality, not hard-lined, foreign experience.

[mzmolly]

72. Yep.. He's no longer running for office soooo?

I think he had enough of politics?
:shrug:

[mikehiggins]

80. Not of politics, just of running for President.

He answered the call, gave it a good shot and when he saw it wasn't going to float, he withdrew. Works for me.

He's still working to elect a Democrat in November and out on the stump supporting John Kerry. That's politics too, just no longer a campaign of his own.

If Kerry asks him to sign on as VP I'm sure he'll do it. If Kerry doesn't he'll probably write another book and maybe involve himself in the kind of things the Clark grassrooters want to do. Time will tell.

I'm hoping Kerry taps him, but if not, not.

[TacticalPeek]

76. DraftWesleyClark for VP!

:kick:

[saoirse]

77. No

He's gotta say that.

Being veep beats the hell out of sitting around doing nothing.

[Jai4WKC08]

78. LOL!

Somehow I can't imagine Wes Clark "sitting around doing nothing."

[troublemaker]

79. Wes wants to be VP

And he's the best avaiable man for the job. I like the guy a lot but he's ambitious. There are few promotions above the level of four star general. VP is one of them.


If a president dies in office is usually due to violence. If the president's helicopter was shot down over Washington I'd hate to turn on the TV and see John Edwards or Mark Warner. (Nothing agiainst them.)

[incapsulated]

81. So, ok I saw this..

I had to download the video because I missed it.

I don't read anything definative into what he said, simply because of the context. He was being asked about the email, and if the pic showed that he was "interested" in being VP (hint, hint). The way he said "no, I'm not interested in that.." was, to me, a direct answer to the implication that he was stumping himself for the position, not some final answer about whether he wanted or would accept it. It was said in an offhand way to shoot down a silly setup. That's all I get from it.

:shrug:

 
 

[dryan]

83. Wes Clark for VP?

Kerry would be a better pres than bush and Clark would be a better vp than cheney

[robbedvoter]

85. This is a wooff-wooff/ pundit game. For me,the important thing is

CLARK ON THE TICKER IS ESSENTIAL TO A WIN.

After listening to the mealy mouthed guests of FTN granting that " W was a great leader on 9.11" it was clear to me: another debate like Joementum vs Dick will kill us no matter what.