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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:48 AM
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Hillary says she saw Martin Luther King but ended up working for Goldwater in 1964
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 10:49 AM by zulchzulu
Hillary Clinton gave a speech in Compton, CA talking about how a rickety bus with her and others came from Illinois to see Martin Luther King speak when she was 14. Since she was born in 1947, that would mean that she saw him speak in 1961 or 1962.

In her speech, she said:
"So I traveled down in our rickety church bus to go to hear Dr. King preach about 'sleeping through the revolution' -- a famous sermon that called each and every one of us to recognize that the times in which we live demand more than just our silent observation."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-clintonla18jan18,0,2435562.story?coll=la-home-center


She ended up working on the Barry Goldwater campaign in 1964. Hillary headed the Young Republicans at Wellesley College. Goldwater was one of only six Republican senators who joined Southern Democratic segregationists who opposed the historic Civil Rights Act of 1964, which was inspired by martin Luther King.

What inspiration she says she witnessed when she saw King a couple years before must not have stuck very well. Being a Goldwater Girl meant not wanting civil rights for blacks. She now wants us to be fooled as she is re-inventing her past.

It's no wonder Hillary downplayed King when it came to the civil rights issue:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9LhWUsrJnM



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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:49 AM
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1. How far back should we go?

Wasn't Robert Byrd in the KKK? People change.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:53 AM
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6. If you are trying to fool people about your past, it's another thing
On this day where we honor martin Luther King, the least we can do is show who was on his side at the time. Clearly, Hillary was not. She wants us to think she was.

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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:55 AM
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10. See Post #10.
This is probably the most disingenuous post you have ever made. I hope your proud of yourself.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:59 AM
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16. yes, and Obama's whining about losing the last two contests
would make MLK Jr. proud. :sarcasm:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:59 AM
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17. You have selectively fooled yourself--through you cheery-picking!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:07 AM
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31. zuzu's pretending he doesn't know anything about Goldwater - don't spoil his game.
"HE VOTED AGAINST THIS THEN! (and please, O! Lord! PLEASE! don't check and see what his real record was!)"
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:08 AM
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35. you mean zilch-information-zulu?
:evilgrin:
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:50 AM
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2. What about Obama's cocaine usage?
Seeing that you want to go back to their teenage years.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:54 AM
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8. Uh, I think SHE was the one who mentioned
her teenage years in the first place. I guess Barry Goldwater inspired her more than MLK, Jr.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:03 AM
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25. Bingo! She admired Goldwater more than Martin Luther King
Now she wants to hide that ugly fact by re-writing her history. It's called being a phoney.

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:54 AM
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9. Obama admitted honestly that he did drugs as a teen
Has Hillary admitted she worked against civil rights when she was a teen?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:02 AM
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24. Question--at what age (s) was Obama messing with drugs. Be specific please as you said 'teen'--then
asked what was Hill doing as a 'teen"
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #24
27. teen? oh, nice college try at spin that was
I got dizzy just reading it! :eyes:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:13 AM
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47. Why diss my question?--It was the IP'er who said 'teen"-
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:18 AM
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56. no, I'm sorry
I meant to respond to the IP and not you. My mistake. I just thought it was funny the IP was trying to spin it as teenage use when it was obviously adult he-should-no-better use.

My apologies.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #56
66. thanks.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #24
29. Nice deflection from the OP topic...
Tell me how Obama's drug use as a kid has ANYTHING to do with Hillary being a Goldwater Girl at the time that Martin Luther King was trying to get the Civil Rights Act passed?

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #29
34. You are one that wrote "teen"---now you run away from responding. Figures!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #34
78. Again...Obama's admitted drug use has to do with Goldwater in 1964 in what way?
You are simply out of ammo. Get some rest.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #78
83. you did not answer my question.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:09 AM
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37. Id rather she did coke.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:52 AM
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3. She worked against LBJ? Against the very man who made MLK's dream possible?!
:puke:
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:53 AM
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4. and Obama was a coke-head who smoked pot
and befriended sleazy Mafia dudes who bankrolled his Senate Campaign and are now under Federal Indictment. Oh, and this was in the last 7 years, not in 1963.

Seriously, you're reaching is looking a bit desperate.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:57 AM
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12. So you have no problem with Hillary's teen years fighting AGAINST civil rights for blacks?
We could discuss the myriad of Clinton scandals all day, because there are many.

If you can't admit the Goldwater Girl was fighting against King's cause, then you are not very legitimate in my view.


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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #12
20. No, I don't.
Because she didn't fight against civil rights as a teenager.

You are really beyond the pale.

Why don't you spend your energy explaining why someone should vote FOR your candidate? Of course, given your bent, your candidate could probably just as well do without you saying a word on their behalf.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #20
62. I'm trying to stay out of these threads
Does it offend you some folks are reducing Dr. King's magnificent work into a talking point?
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:55 AM
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85. Absolutely
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 11:57 AM by EffieBlack
And it's even more galling to see people, who probably have never lifted a finger to do anything about civil rights to then point that finger at people like the Clintons and others and accuse them, not only of not doing enough for civil rights, but to now claim that they are anti-civil rights. Or, from the opposite side, viciously attack civil rights icons, accusing them of "playing the race card" because they have the temerity to be proud that a black man is running for president.

This is absolutely sickening. Dr. King would be SO pleased to see his legacy turned into a political football by people who don't know the first thing about him and what he stood for - and whose familiarity with him seems to begin and end with "I Have a Dream."
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #12
22. you were never legitimate in my view, zilch-information-zulu
so not being legitimate in yours won't mean a damn thing to me
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:07 AM
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30. I find people like you that defend a flawed phoney re-writing her past pretty brainwashed
You can't face facts, so you throw ad hominem attacks.

I hope you at least learned that Hillary is a phoney.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #30
40. Its posts such as yours that clearly illustrate Phoniness--(at best--I could add lots of
adjectives)
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #30
43. nope, just that you have nothing to offer for you candidate
but mean-spiritedness, spite, twisting of information and outright deception. Not to mention adding absolutely nothing to the conversation but Exhibit A in how NOT to support your Candidate.

'Bama would be proud, I'm sure.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:41 AM
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82. Explain the virtues of Hillary supporting Goldwater who was against the Civil Rights Act
I'm simply pointing out the truth. You can perhaps point out why it was cool for Hillary to support Goldwater.

:popcorn:

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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #30
86. She was for civil rights and Goldwater
I'm for Hillary even though I disagree with her about some things. Supporting a candidate doesn't mean you agree with everything that candidate says.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:53 AM
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5. And Raygun signed MLK Jr. Day into law in 1983.
Just sayin...


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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:54 AM
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7. Just like you not to tell the whole story.
"In 1965, Rodham enrolled in Wellesley College, where she majored in political science.<15> She served as president of the Wellesley Young Republicans organization during her freshman year.<16><17> However, due to her evolving views regarding the American Civil Rights Movement and the Vietnam War, she stepped down from that position;<16> she characterized her own nature as that of "a mind conservative and a heart liberal."<18> In her junior year, Rodham was affected by the death of Martin Luther King, Jr.,<8> and became a supporter of the anti-war presidential nomination campaign of Democrat Eugene McCarthy.<19> Rodham organized a two-day student strike and worked with Wellesley's black students for moderate changes, such as recruiting more black students and faculty:
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:58 AM
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13. didn't she also make TIME magazine with her Wellesley speech
at Graduation? I know she scrapped her original speech when she became incensed at the speaker who preceded her and spoke off the cuff, getting a standing ovation and TIME magazine coverage.

yeah, from Wikipedia:

In 1969, Rodham graduated with departmental honors in political science. Stemming from the demands of some students, she became the first student in Wellesley College history to deliver their commencement address. According to reports by the Associated Press, her speech received a standing ovation lasting seven minutes. She was featured in an article published in Life magazine, due to the response to a part of her speech that criticized Senator Edward Brooke, who had spoken before her at the commencement.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #13
21. Yep, But remember this is coming from someone who posts stuff like this.
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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #7
15. Don't dazzle "them" with the truth Billy
they mostly rely on hope and wishful thinking. Did I forget to mention rhetoric and innuendo?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:00 AM
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19. Did Hillary work for Goldwater in 1964 with the main platform of fighting against civil rights?
She was a Goldwater Girl. Her speeches praising Martin Luther King clearly is re-writing her past. She signed up to fight against his cause. Period.

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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:02 AM
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23. What was her age?
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 11:02 AM by William769
What did she end up doing? Is your desperation that bad?
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:08 AM
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33. yes, the desperation IS that bad
Have you heard the whine-fest coming from the Obama Camp today?

I guess it CAN be heart-breaking if you're a bit of a Newbie when you believed you'd skate to the Nomination on a wing and a prayer and a whole lotta Hope (trusting no one would notice the thin resume) only to learn the Voters -- as my teenage niece says -- just weren't that into you.

Nice to look at on the showroom floor, but not dependable and strong enough to actually take home.
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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #19
36. Was Obama working for Raygun in the '80s?
When Raygun/Bush were working against Civil Rights and a host of other Liberal causes? Why is Obama singing praise of Raygun in 2008?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #36
41. Um...
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #41
52. Um...
Is there a reason the whole article is not there? Anyone reading DU| already knows the answer to that question.

Here we go with the disingenuous again.

P.S. are you and zulchzulu related?
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:10 AM
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39. She was 17 and you are being deceptive and cruel - she changed forever due to MLK:

In 1965, Rodham enrolled in Wellesley College, where she majored in political science.<15> She served as president of the Wellesley Young Republicans organization during her freshman year.<16><17> However, due to her evolving views regarding the American Civil Rights Movement and the Vietnam War, she stepped down from that position;<16> she characterized her own nature as that of "a mind conservative and a heart liberal."<18> In her junior year, Rodham was affected by the death of Martin Luther King, Jr.,<8> and became a supporter of the anti-war presidential nomination campaign of Democrat Eugene McCarthy.<19> Rodham organized a two-day student strike and worked with Wellesley's black students for moderate changes, such as recruiting more black students and faculty.<20> In that same year she was elected president of the Wellesley College Government Association.<21><22> She attended the "Wellesley in Washington" summer program at the urging of Professor Alan Schechter, who assigned Rodham to intern at the House Republican Conference so she could better understand her changing political views.<20> Rodham was invited by Representative Charles Goodell, a moderate New York Republican, to help Governor Nelson Rockefeller’s late-entry campaign for the Republican nomination.<20> Rodham attended the 1968 Republican National Convention in Miami, where she decided to leave the Republican Party for good; she was upset over how Richard Nixon's campaign had portrayed Rockefeller and what Rodham perceived as the "veiled" racist messages of the convention.<20>

Rodham returned to Wellesley, and wrote her senior thesis about the tactics of radical community organizer Saul Alinsky under Professor Schechter (which, years later while she was first lady, was suppressed at the request of the White House and became the subject of speculation as to its contents).<23> In 1969, Rodham graduated with departmental honors in political science. Stemming from the demands of some students,<24> she became the first student in Wellesley College history to deliver their commencement address.<22> According to reports by the Associated Press, her speech received a standing ovation lasting seven minutes.<25><26> She was featured in an article published in Life magazine, due to the response to a part of her speech that criticized Senator Edward Brooke, who had spoken before her at the commencement;<8> she also appeared on Irv Kupcinet's nationally-syndicated television talk show as well as in Illinois and New England newspapers.<27> That summer, she worked her way across Alaska, washing dishes in Mount McKinley National Park and sliming salmon in a fish processing cannery in Valdez (which fired her and shut down overnight when she complained about unhealthy conditions).
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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #19
48. Nope, you've yet to prove your ridiculous ASSumption/ASSertion
with any empirical evidence. The folks here comparing/contrasting their teen-age years have Obama's own written word for proof of theirs.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #48
57. OK...so Hillary didnt' support Goldwater in 1964 after seeing MLK in 1963?
Please prove it otherwise. Please do so before the short bus comes by to pick you up.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:56 AM
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11. I put this in the Crapola file
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #11
28. Another word the Obama file. NT
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #28
69. Not the Obama file. The rightwing smear Hillary freeper file. NT
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #69
70. Isn't that the same thing?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #69
77. bingo.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #28
76. NO--and please do not make such insinuations.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:58 AM
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14. "who was on his side at that time?"
Where was John Edwards? He often talks about seeing segregation as a child. Did he ever speak up about it? Did he ever join a protest? Did he ever do anything about it back then?

Of course he didn't. He was a kid.

Just like Hillary was.

By the way, Reagan was a liberal Democrat until he was in his 40s. Does that mean that we should all embrace him since, after all, according to you, what he did as a young man is just as relevant as what they did later.

You're being ridiculous - grasping at straws.

Pathetic.
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beberocks Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:00 AM
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18. This again? Some of the best leaders are people who have learned from the past.
Can't we move on to more modern day issues? And if you think a candidate's early years are of utmost importance, what about Obama's cocaine use? If you think the RNC isn't going to run wall-to-wall ads showing Obama/cocaine/drug dealers if Obama is the GE candidate, you're dead wrong.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:03 AM
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26. It's true, Hillary was born a Republican, but she changed forever in 1968 - 40 years ago
...is she to be blamed for being born into a Republican household? It was MLK's death that ultimately caused her to switch to Dem for life, so you your post is rather deceptive and inflammatory:


In 1965, Rodham enrolled in Wellesley College, where she majored in political science.<15> She served as president of the Wellesley Young Republicans organization during her freshman year.<16><17> However, due to her evolving views regarding the American Civil Rights Movement and the Vietnam War, she stepped down from that position;<16> she characterized her own nature as that of "a mind conservative and a heart liberal."<18> In her junior year, Rodham was affected by the death of Martin Luther King, Jr.,<8> and became a supporter of the anti-war presidential nomination campaign of Democrat Eugene McCarthy.<19> Rodham organized a two-day student strike and worked with Wellesley's black students for moderate changes, such as recruiting more black students and faculty.<20> In that same year she was elected president of the Wellesley College Government Association.<21><22> She attended the "Wellesley in Washington" summer program at the urging of Professor Alan Schechter, who assigned Rodham to intern at the House Republican Conference so she could better understand her changing political views.<20> Rodham was invited by Representative Charles Goodell, a moderate New York Republican, to help Governor Nelson Rockefeller’s late-entry campaign for the Republican nomination.<20> Rodham attended the 1968 Republican National Convention in Miami, where she decided to leave the Republican Party for good; she was upset over how Richard Nixon's campaign had portrayed Rockefeller and what Rodham perceived as the "veiled" racist messages of the convention.<20>

Rodham returned to Wellesley, and wrote her senior thesis about the tactics of radical community organizer Saul Alinsky under Professor Schechter (which, years later while she was first lady, was suppressed at the request of the White House and became the subject of speculation as to its contents).<23> In 1969, Rodham graduated with departmental honors in political science. Stemming from the demands of some students,<24> she became the first student in Wellesley College history to deliver their commencement address.<22> According to reports by the Associated Press, her speech received a standing ovation lasting seven minutes.<25><26> She was featured in an article published in Life magazine, due to the response to a part of her speech that criticized Senator Edward Brooke, who had spoken before her at the commencement;<8> she also appeared on Irv Kupcinet's nationally-syndicated television talk show as well as in Illinois and New England newspapers.<27> That summer, she worked her way across Alaska, washing dishes in Mount McKinley National Park and sliming salmon in a fish processing cannery in Valdez (which fired her and shut down overnight when she complained about unhealthy conditions).
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:14 AM
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49. She was born not just into a Republican household,
she also lived in a heavily Republican, very white area, Park Ridge. Apparently when her liberal-minded youth pastor brought her church group to see MLK speak, some parents refused to let their kids go see such a "rabble-rouser." Luckily Hillary's parents were open-minded enough to let her explore other viewpoints. As for Goldwater, in hindsight he's actually considered rather moderate compared to Republicans today.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #49
60. I think her story is amazing
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 11:22 AM by HughMoran
Her conversion and activism are absolutely to be commended when you consider the white-bread upbringing that she was from.

The O/P couldn't possibly miss the point and play into her strength (her ability to change and do what is right) any more than with this deceptive and inflammatory post.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #49
65. Thanks, I did not know that.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:07 AM
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32. This is stupid. (nt)
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:10 AM
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38. She was a kid.
I don't like Clinton for a host of reasons, but that she was a politically motivated kid, is actually something in her favor. For cripes sake, by the time she was 20, she was a dem.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:11 AM
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42. > Rodham organized a two-day student strike and worked with Wellesley's black students --from # 10.


In her junior year, Rodham was affected by the death of Martin Luther King, Jr.,<8> and became a supporter of the anti-war presidential nomination campaign of Democrat Eugene McCarthy.<19> Rodham organized a two-day student strike and worked with Wellesley's black students for moderate changes, such as recruiting more black students and faculty:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:13 AM
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46. zuzu just put you on ignore for posting that!
:rofl:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:16 AM
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51. yes, that probably did happen--pea-brain at work.
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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:11 AM
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44. Interesting facts at Wikipedia and
a break down by party and region.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

I was five at the time of this vote.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:13 AM
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45. The facts stand on their own. Hillaryworld apologists can't do anything else except attack the truth
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 11:14 AM by zulchzulu
If anyone can refute the fact that Hillary was not a Goldwater Girl in 1964 after seeing Martin Luther King a year before, then bring it. Otherwise, her re-writing her history is a fallacy, like much of the Clinton machine.

I await any links to prove my point. Otherwise, call me any damn name you want. I don't give a rat's ass. :rofl:

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:15 AM
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50. "I don't give a rat's ass." Ah ha. So *that's* why you support Obama.
ObamaNation's new slogan: "Dont Give A Rat's Ass? Vote Obama!"
:rofl:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:17 AM
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53. How's Richardson doing, buddy?
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 11:17 AM by zulchzulu
:hi:

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:23 AM
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63. He's not on DU making shit up to smear Hillary with - so he's better off than you!
"Um... like... Hillary once saw MLK, and later... um, like, worked for a Republican.. and well, er, ...therefore she's a racist!! Yeah! Thats the ticket!!

:rofl:
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:18 AM
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54. So that fact that you are being deceptive in that MLK changed her for life is irrelevant?
You are being really rotten in this post - I mean horrible. Please apologize for posting this garbage.


In 1965, Rodham enrolled in Wellesley College, where she majored in political science.<15> She served as president of the Wellesley Young Republicans organization during her freshman year.<16><17> However, due to her evolving views regarding the American Civil Rights Movement and the Vietnam War, she stepped down from that position;<16> she characterized her own nature as that of "a mind conservative and a heart liberal."<18> In her junior year, Rodham was affected by the death of Martin Luther King, Jr.,<8> and became a supporter of the anti-war presidential nomination campaign of Democrat Eugene McCarthy.<19> Rodham organized a two-day student strike and worked with Wellesley's black students for moderate changes, such as recruiting more black students and faculty.<20> In that same year she was elected president of the Wellesley College Government Association.<21><22> She attended the "Wellesley in Washington" summer program at the urging of Professor Alan Schechter, who assigned Rodham to intern at the House Republican Conference so she could better understand her changing political views.<20> Rodham was invited by Representative Charles Goodell, a moderate New York Republican, to help Governor Nelson Rockefeller’s late-entry campaign for the Republican nomination.<20> Rodham attended the 1968 Republican National Convention in Miami, where she decided to leave the Republican Party for good; she was upset over how Richard Nixon's campaign had portrayed Rockefeller and what Rodham perceived as the "veiled" racist messages of the convention.<20>

Rodham returned to Wellesley, and wrote her senior thesis about the tactics of radical community organizer Saul Alinsky under Professor Schechter (which, years later while she was first lady, was suppressed at the request of the White House and became the subject of speculation as to its contents).<23> In 1969, Rodham graduated with departmental honors in political science. Stemming from the demands of some students,<24> she became the first student in Wellesley College history to deliver their commencement address.<22> According to reports by the Associated Press, her speech received a standing ovation lasting seven minutes.<25><26> She was featured in an article published in Life magazine, due to the response to a part of her speech that criticized Senator Edward Brooke, who had spoken before her at the commencement;<8> she also appeared on Irv Kupcinet's nationally-syndicated television talk show as well as in Illinois and New England newspapers.<27> That summer, she worked her way across Alaska, washing dishes in Mount McKinley National Park and sliming salmon in a fish processing cannery in Valdez (which fired her and shut down overnight when she complained about unhealthy conditions).
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:21 AM
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59. Seeing MLK in 1963 changed her life so much that she worked for Goldwater in 1964
I find that odd.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:23 AM
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64. She was 17 and from a white-bread Republican neighborhood
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 11:24 AM by HughMoran
I think her story is amazing

Her conversion and activism are absolutely to be commended when you consider the white-bread upbringing that she was from.

The O/P couldn't possibly miss the point and play into her strength (her ability to change and do what is right) any more than it does.

Thanks for playing into her strength.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:21 AM
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61. I doubt anyone will get an apology--Posts such as the IP are echoed by the RW chamber over and over.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:18 AM
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55. QUESTION-- how has she re-written hx--based on your claim below? Tell us.


.....If anyone can refute the fact that Hillary was not a Goldwater Girl in 1964 after seeing Martin Luther King a year before, then bring it. Otherwise, her re-writing her history is a fallacy, like much of the Clinton machine.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:28 AM
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71. She gave a very similar speech in Selma a while back with the same phoney rhetoric
She wants people to think she was on King's side her whole life, when in fact she fought against what he stood for.

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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:40 AM
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81. The two events were not related as anyone can clearly see.
I have Hillary's book - "Living History". I suggest if you want to get the chronologies and connections between events right you check it out of the library and do some reading.

There are at least 9 entries on MLK in the index and they clearly indicate what she felt and said in those days of her youth.

In the grand context of things, the Goldwater Girl event was but a fleeting moment in her life influenced by her father - a staunch Republican. Her mother was, by Hillary's words, a closet Democrat.

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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:20 AM
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58. God, how boring....she was a teenager...
...do you really want to, as has been suggested, compare teenage years between Hillary and Obama?

As to Goldwater and racism, go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater

Goldwater supported the Arizona NAACP and was involved in desegregating the Arizona National Guard. Nationally, he supported the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1960 and the constitutional amendment banning the poll tax. However, he opposed the much more comprehensive Civil Rights Act of 1964; he argued that, among other things, it unconstitutionally extended the federal government's commerce power to private citizens in its drive to "legislate morality" and restrict the rights of employers. Since Dixiecrats were the main opponents to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and previous civil rights legislation, Goldwater's opposition to the 1964 Act, in which he was joined by only four other non-Southern Republican senators, strongly boosted Goldwater's standing among white Southerners who opposed such federal legislation.


Try here also: http://www.frankenlies.com/lies/civilrights.htm

Before he was a public official, Barry Goldwater integrated his family business. When he was a city councilman in Phoenix, he became a founding member of the Arizona NAACP, and he remained a proud member until his death.



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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:24 AM
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67. Interesting historical facts, suston. Thanks!
:thumbsup:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:25 AM
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68. "he opposed the much more comprehensive Civil Rights Act of 1964"
That's right. And Hillary had her pom poms all puffed up for Goldwater.

When she says she was moved by seeing King in 1963, yet worked for Goldwater a year later, it should indicate to anyone that she is re-writing history. It's that simple.

If she was honest, she would say that she found out how foolish she was to support Goldwater at a time when she could have been on Martin Luther King's side.

She can't admit failure. She can't admit a mistake. She take you and I for a sucker.

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:28 AM
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72. Keep digging deeper
...I am shocked at your intransigence!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:29 AM
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73. and some are not able to 'see' that people mature as they
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 11:34 AM by rodeodance
grow older and gain life experiences--such as Hill did during her college years. She deserves lots of credit for that--not your degrading of her life.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:35 AM
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74. Yes people change...but phoneys never do
Hillary's recent teary speeches about how much she was all about Martin Luther King's mission is pure bullshit.

She worked against him when she supported Goldwater in 1964. She doesn't mention that.

Why? Because she wants to hide the truth.

Would she admit in a speech that in 1964, she was working on a campaign that's main message was against civil rights? Hell, no. That would be truthful.

Those that are "offended" by my pointing out the truth are probably just ashamed that they support her but can't own up to the fact that she again is trying to re-write history and distort her positions.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:40 AM
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80. Garbage date in= garbage data OUT--such is my assesstment.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:35 AM
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75. Well, Barry DID vote against the Civil Rights Act of 1964...but
carried the Old South, 4 months later vs. LBJ. His explanation of his vote,down through the years was considerably more well reasoned than I had expected.


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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:39 AM
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79. Nice graphic! n/t
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:43 AM
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84. Thanks! Got it from President Kennedy's Library.
:grouphug:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:10 PM
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87. you know it`s a losing battle when people do not
read the history of hillary`s high school years that she wishes to forget...i find it interesting that the Wellesley speech was locked up before bill started running for president then was finally released again after 2000..that speech is the key to her philosophy of politics and power..as one researcher stated.."hillary was no bomb thrower" and that is why i do not like her...the power of the people is secondary to the power of the state. i`m an old sds`r and i guess i always will be wary of any state whether democratic or republican.
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