Poll: Obama makes big gains among black voters

[babylonsister]

Poll: Obama makes big gains among black voters


By Paul Steinhauser
CNN deputy political director


(CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton has lost a large amount of support among African-Americans, with a majority of black Democrats now supporting Sen. Barack Obama, according to a new poll out Friday.
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Sen. Barack Obama has the support of a majority of black Democrats, a poll found.

In a national survey by CNN/Opinion Research Corp., 59 percent of black Democrats backed Obama, an Illinois Democrat, for their party's presidential nomination, with 31 percent supporting Clinton, the senator from New York.

The 28 point lead for Obama is a major reversal from October, when Clinton held a 24 point lead among black Democrats.

"There's been a huge shift among African-American Democrats from Clinton to Obama. African-American Democrats used to be reluctant to support Obama because they didn't think a black man could be elected. Then Obama won Iowa and nearly won New Hampshire. Now they believe," said Bill Schneider, CNN senior political analyst.

"Obama's lead over Clinton among black men is more than 50 points, and among black women, once a Clinton stronghold, Obama has an 11 point advantage," said CNN polling director Keating Holland.

more...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/18/poll.2008/index.html

[Evergreen Emerald]

1. see dirty politics works.

[babylonsister]

3. Maybe Clinton's mud-slinging had the opposite effect.

:shrug:

[Evergreen Emerald]

16. what mud slinging? the 527's that Obama is using are working

he plays dirty.

[babylonsister]

19. Muslim emails, drugs, and voter supression for starters? You know,

all the stuff you find 'acceptable'. :eyes:

[AtomicKitten]

37. And that coming from Democrats.

I can't tell if I find that or the fact that some people seem perfectly fine with it more revolting. It's breathtaking, really.

[flpoljunkie]

6. No. Obama won Iowa and nearly won New Hampshire. Now they believe," said CNN's Bill Schneider

But feel free to be as ugly as you like.

[billbuckhead]

40. Another Republican "for" Obama

Next Bush will be "endorsing" him

[Big Blue Marble]

20. It looks like it worked in reverse for the Hill. n/t

[bobbolink]

2. I guess there were a lot of black folk who thought Raygun was the cat's pajamas, eh?

The dissonance is truly stunning....

:cry:

[ProSense]

4. WTF? n/t

[BringBigDogBack]

15. lol....

fuckin pathetic.

[AtomicKitten]

5. It was just a matter of time.

The Clintons have pandered to the black community thinking it was enough.

[oasis]

28. You're saying the "black community" DID NOT benefit from the Clinton Administration?

Mmmmkay.

[ccpup]

7. evidently they heard Michelle telling them

to "wake up and get it". If not, perhaps they were afraid they'd be accused of having a "slave mentality" if they dared vote for anyone else.

[babylonsister]

8. And just possibly he gives people hope that Obama can change

things. I'm white and I have that hope. Why couldn't that be the reason?

[aquart]

9. All by himself? Change what? Social Security? Healthcare? What?

Whoever gets in will HAVE to make changes. And don't be so sure you'll like them. We are a bankrupt, discredited nation, and the weather is not our friend. It's adapt or die time.

[jackson_dem]

23. Obama's "innovate" SS proposal comes straight from the DLC and Hillary supports it too

Health care Clinton is better by far. Good question. What "change" is he going to bring? The only place he shines and is truly innovate is on open government.

[babylonsister]

26. You need to read about her mailer; you call this support?

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14266.html

The Clinton campaign hits the worst conservative frame yet
Posted January 17th, 2008 at 11:12 am


snip//

That’s a genuine shame, because this mailing is completely ridiculous.

Here’s the test, point by point:

Is the criticism accurate? No. If Obama had proposed scrapping the cap completely, it would stand to bring in $1 trillion. But Obama has said repeatedly that he’s open to raising the cap, not scrapping it.

Is it fair? No. Obama has been quite candid about his approach to Social Security, and has described his plan at debates. Clinton was standing right there; her campaign can’t pretend they don’t know what Obama has repeatedly said.

Is it hypocritical? Shamelessly. Clinton has publicly conceded that she’s open to the exact same policy proposal Obama has made. If she’s attacking his willingness to raise the payroll cap, she’s attacking her own willingness to raise the payroll cap.

And does it help or hurt the party’s broader message? It undoubtedly hurts. Clinton’s mailing could have just as easily been written by the Republican National Committee or Grover Norquist. Clinton is using anti-tax rhetoric that Democrats usually reject as nonsense, not embrace as fodder for attacks against other Democrats. Talk about Dems using conservative frames, this is Exhibit A.

Obviously, politics ain’t beanbag. Clinton, Obama, and Edwards are going to take rhetorical shots at one another, and some of them are going to be cheaper than others. I get it.

But this mailing is really offensive from a Democratic perspective. When the Clinton campaign used it in New Hampshire, I’d hoped it was borne of desperation and wouldn’t be repeated. That’s it’s now become a standard arrow in Clinton’s quiver is deeply disappointing.

[jackson_dem]

29. I've denounced the mailing

[ccpup]

11. change what things and how?

saying the words Hope and Change is nice, of course. But the Devil's in the details and, beneath the gossamer fabric of his inspirational speech, I've yet to understand HOW he will change things. He keeps repeating "yes we can" and "hope and change", but how, how, how?!

[babylonsister]

12. I don't imagine you want me to bore you with actual issues; they've

been posted tons of times before. But I do have links if you'd like to read them.
I want new blood, I want to rid ourselves of the status quo, I want to know what it feels like not to have a * or Clinton at the reins in this country. I'm oh so tired of them all.
I want to see Obama get to work on mending relations around the world. I honestly think he'd be able to do it. No, nothing miraculous, but give me some diplomacy from someone finally. I want my country to be respected again.
That's just for starters.

[Frances]

13. Would you mind giving one specific example of how

Obama would change one specific thing? Thanks so much.

[babylonsister]

17. He already has. Look at the turnout of young people and

independents. When have you ever seen so many inspired people? And they're becoming proactive, not just giving us lip service. He's started a movement. I think that's remarkable.

[jackson_dem]

24. Young turnout when up from 17% to 22%. Obama is responsible for the whole 5% rise?

John McCain excels with independents too. Does that make McCain an 'agent of change"?

[babylonsister]

30. Google is your pal in this case:

and I'm not going to argue numbers with you. This is what I heard after Iowa; everyone was blown away, as they were at the crowds who gathered 'round in NH. Whatever...

http://www.dailycardinal.com/article/1580

According to CNN entrance polls, 22 percent of Democratic Iowa caucus goers were age 17-to-29. This is a larger percentage than 30-to-44 year old caucus goers among Democrats and equal to the amount of voters age 65 and over—age groups often focused on more by candidates.

Among Republicans, 11 percent of caucus goers were age 17-to-29. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, the eventual winner of the Republican Iowa caucuses, led among young voters with 40 percent, while rival Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney followed distantly with 22 percent.

For Democrats the effect of the youth vote was even more apparent. Iowa winner U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., received 57 percent of the votes from caucus goers age 17-to-29. Former U.S. Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., received 14 percent and U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., received 11 percent.

UW-Madison Students for Barack Obama Chair Ami ElShareif said Obama received the most youth votes because he can best relate to student issues.

“He was against the war from the very beginning, which is an issue very close and very important to students today,” ElShareif said.

[jackson_dem]

32. How many of them are involved just because of Obama?

Or is it because they--we in my case--realize how pivotal this election is? I would grant that Obama has increased it but the media hype that he alone is responsible for that jump is bull.

[ccpup]

14. I appreciate you offering your thoughts

I have no reason to think Hillary won't be able to mend relationships with other countries as she's already on speaking terms with many of their Leaders already. And the status quo, although a wonderful catch phrase, is sure to change as it sits right now with ** and his cronies. Being tired? I don't think many people would get tired of the peace and prosperity we enjoyed under out last Democrat President. As for the other things, I'll go ahead and Google.

Again, thanks. :hi:

[babylonsister]

22. ...

:hi: and you're welcome. He's far from perfect, but none of them are. I'm going with my gut.

[EffieBlack]

38. You have got to be kidding

Perhaps you don't realize how insulting your post is.

Black people are not stupid sheep. We are just as discerning, thoughtful and politically savvy as any other group of people - and sometimes more so out of the necessity to survive. Suggesting that some blacks are supporting Obama because his wife told us to or because we're "afraid" of ANYTHING is an insult.

[sandnsea]

42. Oooohh,

that person is on ignore so when you referenced this thread, I didn't see what you meant.

[ccpup]

46. All of DU is insulting these days

if you're insulted by actual quotes from Michelle Obama who is seeming to suggest that the
African-American community SHOULD be supporting her husband, then you must get insulted easily. If you can prove the quotes aren't real -- per Michelle and Obama's Spiritual Advisor -- then we may have a conversation worth having.

And, yes, I do realize how insulting my Post was, but I'm also keenly aware of how vicious -- disgustingly, ridiculously, over-the-top, hatefully vicious -- the Obama Supporters can be to Hillary Clinton and her supporters. What angers me is that one can't seem to offer any criticism of Obama without being -- even subtly -- called a racist while heaps of scorn are shoveled on Hillary and the term "sexist" barely rears it's head.

Now THAT'S insulting!

[EffieBlack]

48. You admit that your reaction to Obama supporters insulting Clinton supporters is to insult blacks?

Could that be why "one" is called a racist?

If the shoe fits . . .

[ccpup]

49. and this is why I hesitate talking with Bamabots

I used quotes attributed to Michelle Obama and Obama's spiritual adviser and I'm the one being called racist?

um, yeah, okay. :eyes: whatever floats that leaky boat of yours

[EffieBlack]

51. You have quite a bit to learn

And although I have neither the time nor inclination to provide you the substantial education you need to catch up to just being backward, I will get you started with one point:

Covering your ears and yelling "Bamabot! Bamabot!" may make you feel better, but it does nothing to obviate my point or to encourage anyone to agree with yours. You'll do a lot better in your political discourse if you do not automatically assume, without any rational basis, that anyone who disagrees with you must be as biased and close-minded as your posts suggest you may be. FYI, everyone who doesn't line up to bash Sen. Obama is not a "Bamabot" or any other kindegarten-level names you wish to throw around. In fact, I don't support any one particular candidate and I have and will continue to defend all of them from baseless, vicious, and bigoted attacks, especially from the hypocritcal, so-called "liberals" on DU who are are showing themselves to be far lesser people than the candidates they have the nerve to smear.

[ccpup]

53. point taken

I trust you, as well, have a lot to learn. If you were to look at the Posts I've offered since my time began with DU, you would more often than not see a reasonable, patient, well-educated and well-informed person who concedes when it's appropriate and defends when it's appropriate. So, although your opinion on my "political discourse" is noted, it's more off-base than you're aware of. Sadly, the vicious, baseless, bigoted attacks on DU you mentioned have worn me down and created someone I no longer wish to be. Ergo, I'm taking part in conversations less and less and seeking my information (and funneling my donations) elsewhere.

Secondly, as for the "kindergarten-level" names and such, you have a point, though I would rather be called a "Bamabot" or "Hillbot" (or "Hill-shill") than a racist or a sexist. If those who support one candidate can agree to respect those who support another candidate without the use of denigrating, useless "kindergarten-level" names, then DU might be a bit more bearable.

I appreciate the fact you will defend all the candidates from baseless attacks. Doing so with factual information instead of the casual handing out of epithets is probably a more effective way to go about it. And I do agree that the people on DU who smear in their candidate's name hurt their candidate more than they help them. Like it or not, we all do it at some point. It's those who do it for sport, starting threads with the intent to deceive, misinform or to slam someone that are, in my humble opinion, ruining DU.

In any case, I appreciate your thoughts. Have a good one.

[EffieBlack]

54. And I appreciate your thoughts, as well

I certainly understand and sympathize with your frustration - I feel the same way about what I see here on DU. But it really does undermine your position to give in to those attitudes since you then simply become what you supposedly disdain.

I have always felt that one of the critical attributes that separates us from those on the other side is that we have higher standards and stronger principles and we do not accept the "ends justify the means" approach to politics. Sadly, that line is becoming so blurred that, like the characters in "Animal Farm," it's becoming more and more difficult to differentiate the humans from the pigs. if we turn into them, we lose the moral standing that is so essential to bring about the change we seek.

So, please - don't fall into the swamp. Nothing can be accomplished while rolling around in the stink and muck. Stay up on dry, higher ground so you can actually do the work that needs to be done.

[billbuckhead]

41. I bet polling of African Americans turns into so much BS

and they far stronger for Hillary than they tell pollsters.

[ccpup]

47. in the privacy of the voting booth

I suspect many make a different choice than what they originally tell Pollsters or their friends and family.

[msongs]

10. WOW! blacks like Obama. that's a real surprise eh? nt

[MethuenProgressive]

18. The Swiftboating of Clinton on Race has been a Rovian success for Obama.

You'd think Obama would be a better man than this.

[Big Blue Marble]

21. That is a pathetic comment.

Black people in this country support Obama because he is the first African American who has a real chance to be president.
Do you have any idea what that means to people that have had to fight for what white people take for granted.
This candidacy is stirring a lot of pride in the black community. And you want to turn it into a criticism of Obama. Pathetic.

[KennedyGuy]

31. whats pathetic is Obama shitting all ovet Gay people

and playing the race card himself with his nice little hispanic smear..

[Big Blue Marble]

44. Have you checked his website groups

I counted at least 10 gay groups that are signed on there before I stopped counting.
Andrew Sullivan is one of Obama's biggest supporters.
Are you saying they are self-hating or what?

[bobbolink]

50. Given the Log Cabin Republicans, it wouldn't be unheard of, now would it?

[billbuckhead]

39. Obama is just a blowboy for Reaganism

An empty suit with a big smile and a preacherman's cadence with meaningless rhetoric. "Change", "Morning in America","Hope" blah, blah, blah.

[BadgerLaw2010]

55. Based on Nevada results with whites and Latinos...not so much. Whoops.

[calteacherguy]

25. I hope he makes big gains among all voters. nt

[andyrowe]

27. It's an Obamanation!!

Gobama!

[Evergreen Emerald]

33. "Our time is now"

[calteacherguy]

35. Yes, Obama has captured the historical moment. nt

[stravu9]

34. Quelle surprise!

:-)

[suston96]

36. 31% blacks for Hillary? I'll take that. May be enough for South Carolina.

[Catherine Vincent]

43. That is great.

Obama test is actually getting them to go out on election day and vote, if he is nominated. In fact, that's the test with Hillary also.

[gregjones]

45. Should Hillary Apologize to Blacks for being 'Goldwater Girl' ?

I read a piece yesterday entitled:
Blacks Learning 'Goldwater Girl' Hillary Was AGAINST
the Civil Rights Act of 1964....Feel Deceived ! 

An article by Washington columnist Robert Novak (Google:
'Hillary, King, Goldwater) reveals that Hillary Clinton was a
staunch supporter of Sen. Barry Goldwater (who was adamently
against the civil rights act and a segregationist) during the
same period she claims in all black church appearances that
she was for the civil rights movement. Blacks feel that it was
impossible for Hillary to have been a Goldwater Girl and pro
civil rights at the same time which leads to the assumption
that Ms. Clinton is re-inventing her past. Many blacks feel
deceived by The Clintons. Should Hillary Clinton make a public
apology to blacks ?

[butterfly77]

52. They haven't asked me ...

I am looking at all of the candidates. The media is trying to portray all blacks as thinking the same about all issues which they do not.