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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:09 AM Original message |
How was the senate resolution yesterday different than the one Obama co-sponsered earlier this year? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
1. I didn't like that one, either, and it's a reason I can't support Obama |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
2. It's sanctions legislation with 68 senators supporting |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. What does the number of senators supporting have to do with it? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Boxer, Dodd, Kerry |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Dodd and Kerry for for the IWR, I geuss it's ok now? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Nov 2003, we need to "stay the course" |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. It's 2007 now, and Obama is banging the war drums |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 06:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
96. 3 of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
4. oops. |
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Lord Helmet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
5. that measure didn't have Lieberman as a cosponsor. |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Yes it did |
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Lord Helmet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. can you hear the drum beat for war on Iran? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
91. Hillary co-sponsored the same bill the hypocrites are kvetching about. |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Not denying that |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
7. For the record Hillary also co-sponsored that resolution which was not voted on (nt) |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Yes, and we already know her feelings on this matter |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. "when all you do is bash Hillary" |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Link to one positive thing you've ever said about Hillary please |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Tell you what. Use DU's search feature for General Discusssion - Politics |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Lirwin2, rinsd is only guilty of trying to be fair |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Unfortunately true far too often. |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #8 |
59. Oh, for Christ's sake |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #59 |
76. Yeah, I'm the irrational one |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #59 |
89. Thanks |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
10. Nice find... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. notice not one Obama supporter has given a credible answer. |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. I don't expect one, either |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. It's completely different and you guys are disgusting |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. SEC.3 Sense of congress- It does exactly what yesterdays bill does |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. No it doesn't, it's completely different |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. The Secretary of State should designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guards as a Foreign Terrorist |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Here are the relevent sections from the two proporsals... |
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Texas_Kat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Well, in S.970 |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
77. lol. n/t |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
35. If you don't read the Amendment, then there is no reason to talk to you about it |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. You're quoting the original proposed amendment, not the modified version that was voted on yesterday |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 09:11 PM Response to Reply #44 |
101. The amendment text is from the Senate web site. Is there another Senate? |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #35 |
67. Wrong version. n/t |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
38. Notice how only Hillary supporters think this is the same thing. |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Notice how it is the same thing...nt |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #38 |
70. The major concern I heard expressed |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
20. It doesn't look different to me. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. the stated purpose is SANCTIONS |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. If it's purpose is SANCTIONS then why does it classify Iran as terrorists? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Read the damn thing |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. The Secretary of State should designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guards as a Foreign Terrorist |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. military vs economic |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. No, any mention of "military instruments" was removed from yesterday's bill |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Good, but economic sanctions weren't added |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. The purpose for putting a country on the terrorist watch list is precisely that ... |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. No, it's non-binding, it isn't designed to pursue terrorists into Iran |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. No it doesn't... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. One is still economic sanctions, the other isn't |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. You are wrong...plain and simple... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. It still refers to our military presence |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. What's low... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. S. 970 is SANCTIONS |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Why are you still posting? You've been thoroughly debunked |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. anybody who reads it can see the clear difference |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Yes, there is a clear difference between |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Kyl Lieberman was NOT about SANCTIONS |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. I have provided you the actual consequences of putting a country on a terrorist list... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Kyl Lieberman is not about sanctions |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:24 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Saying it over and over again doesn't make it true |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. They didn't read the two bills |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. They are two separate bills that do the same thing. nt. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Specifying Economic Sanctions as the purpose |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Please read SaveElmers post about what classifying a state as "terrorist" does. nt. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Impose Sanctions on Iran and on other countries |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. ...that both contained the same terrorist designation language n/t |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. You know what, when we're at war with Iran |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I assure you |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #66 |
79. I think we should call it the castrated Kyle Lieberman bill n/t |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Exactly the same thing... |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. There you go with those silly old facts again. |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
75. Right! |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
43. I did read it for chrissakes, |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Read it again |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Are you reading the bill in the final form? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. One is sanctions, one is military |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #20 |
73. It isn't different---both resolutions name the Iranian army a terrorist organization |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. See #81 |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. The problem with Obama's bill is that very excerpt quoted in the OP |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
34. "To impose sanctions on Iran..." VS Declaring war on Iran through the back door |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. There you go with the silly old facts thing again. |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Except he has his facts wrong... |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
71. In order to use my line, you have to be correct. |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Wrong...you are not quoting the final resolution... |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. That's pretty dishonest, don't you think? |
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Texas_Kat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Yeah, paragraphs 3 and 4 were struck |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
69. I guess you will never learn, will you? |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #69 |
86. No, they won't |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
87. Obama was one of 68 co-sponsors, along with warmongers Dodd and Kerry |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Hillary also co-sponsored the very bill they are complaining about. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 05:39 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. We weren't complaining about the bill |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 06:37 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. to be precise, Obama supporters are defending him from attacks |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. I have not slammed him |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 07:10 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. that is true |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 07:21 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. I do see the similarities to the Iraq Liberation Act |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 07:33 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. No doubt historians will have to invent new superlatives to |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. ditto. |
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