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Bob Geiger Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 10:32 AM
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American Legion Attacks On Edwards Sicken This Veteran
It's always been kind of sad for me that, ever since my discharge from the military in the mid 70s, the best thing I've been able to say about the American Legion is that their restaurant makes the best damn steak I can get in my tiny Nebraska hometown. Other than that small bit of merit, the organization has done nothing but embarrass me with their rote, pro-war positions and, over the last few years, how they seem to care far more about people burning the American flag than they do about troops being used as cannon fodder and Veterans being neglected in V.A. hospitals.

I thought I hit peak disgust with their twisted brand of patriotism in 2005 when the group's last national commander, Thomas Cadmus, gave a speech at the Legion's national convention in which he called for an end to all "public protests" and "media events" against the Iraq war. The convention delegates then voted to use whatever means necessary to "ensure the united backing of the American people to support our troops and the global war on terrorism."

"The American Legion will stand against anyone and any group that would demoralize our troops, or worse, endanger their lives by encouraging terrorists to continue their cowardly attacks against freedom-loving peoples," Cadmus told convention delegates.

I know when I was sworn into the U.S. Navy, I made a pledge "to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States of America" and it was apparent to me in 2005 that the American Legion had forgotten that the oath we all took was intended to protect exactly the rights they threatened to destroy with un-American stances like that.

And it looks like they haven't changed a bit in two years.

Now they're after Senator John Edwards and his presidential campaign for creating a web site in which Edwards submits that the best way to observe the upcoming Memorial Day, might be to take a stand designed to limit the number of newly-dead Americans we mourn at 2008's observance.

Well, the American Legion's current National Commander, Paul Morin, didn’t like that one bit -- he wants, what, more dead in the next 12 months? -- and said so in a strident post on his web site yesterday.
"One presidential candidate has blatantly violated the sanctity of this most special day. I recently received an e-mail from a group called 'Supportthetroopsendthewar.com.' It included a video of former Sen. John Edwards. He calls on Americans to use Memorial Day weekend as a time to 'bring an end to this war.'

"Shockingly, the video is titled 'A Memorial Day Message from John Edwards,' with the smoking gun note, 'Paid for by John Edwards for President.' Moreover, the e-mail recommends that Americans bring signs with the message 'Support the troops, End the War' to local Memorial Day parades. Revolting is a kind word for it. It’s as inappropriate as a political bumper sticker on an Arlington headstone
Morin blabs some more and then ends by saying that we should "attend a parade without the divisive political signs."

It kind of tells you where this guy's head is at that he considers banners displaying a message supported by the majority of Americans to stop the needless death of American troops to be "divisive political signs."

But then, this is the same guy whose organization fought like crazy to help keep the truth of the Abu Ghraib photos from getting out, has rabidly supported George W. Bush escalating the Iraq quagmire and who opposes a troop-withdrawal timeline with this misleading and silly analogy: "Thank God there was no mandated timetable after the Battle of the Bulge or Iwo Jima. Thank God, there was no mandated withdrawal or imposed exit strategy at Valley Forge or our Country would have lost the American Revolution.”

And, again, the Legion really really spends a lot of energy on the issue of flag burning, despite the fact that I stand a better chance of scoring a hot date with Scarlett Johansson than the average American has of seeing our flag burned in their lifetime.

And what outrageous, radical thing did Edwards say on his web site's video to get Morin's blood pressure up? Brace yourself… Here's Edwards:
"What we're asking you to do this Memorial Day weekend is to gather together with your friends, to volunteer, to pray, to speak out and make it clear that we support the troops, we want to honor their sacrifice, that we are incredibly thankful as a nation for what they've done for us in their service in Iraq.

"And the best way to honor their service and the best way to support them is for the President of the United States to do what America has demanded be done -- and that's to end this war. So this Memorial Day weekend, don't stand quietly, don’t just go to picnics, don't just gather with your friends -- engage in an act of patriotism, show how much you love this country and speak out in support of our troops and bring an end to this war."
Harsh stuff, huh?

And, in a list of ten suggestions for Memorial Day weekend that included praying for the troops and those we have previously lost, preparing and sending care packages to our military in Iraq and helping Veterans at home, Edwards did indeed suggest displaying signs asking that we end the needless killing of our troops and end this war.

It's going to be tough for the Edwards team to respond to Morin's attack because the aura of faux patriotism created by the Bush administration has made it difficult to question an organization like the American Legion -- even when they make downright un-American pronouncements and other veiled threats to stifle dissent. It doesn't take much these days to be called unpatriotic if you argue with anyone in the military or who has ever been in uniform.

But the American Legion might as well get ready to tell this honorably-discharged Veteran and many more like me that we too are wrong -- and "revolting" -- because a whole bunch of us will stand with John Edwards on this one. I hurt every day when I read the names of those who have been killed in Iraq. My loyalty is with them, not with the American Legion and the right-wing creed of their misguided organization.

And the former Democratic Senator from North Carolina is absolutely right in suggesting that the best way to support the troops is to remove them from the Iraqi civil war.

While John Edwards is expressing the sentiments of the vast majority of the American people, he is also speaking from his own heart about the sorrow he feels for the most recent of those we honor on Memorial Day and making the very patriotic suggestion that we all get out there and do something about it.

Meanwhile, the American Legion castigates people like Edwards, while themselves advocating more war having nothing to do with our security, more death and, in the process, assuming some small share of accountability -- along with their Chickenhawk heroes in the White House -- for the ongoing carnage

John Edwards can't say it, but I can: When it comes to stances like that expressed by Morin yesterday, the American Legion is full of crap – and they most assuredly do not speak for this Veteran.

So let the American Legion continue to give blind allegiance to a president who has the blood of thousands of our brave men and women on his hands because he purposefully misled our nation into war with a country that did not attack us and that we now know posed no threat whatsoever to the United States.

In the face of this disgusting misuse of our military and when honorable people are dying for nothing, the best thing this group can do is battle the people exercising their rights to prevent more military lives from being needlessly lost.

Shame on you, Mr. Morin. You may be a fellow Veteran, but, when all is said and done, you don't have a clue about the principles on which our nation was founded or why we fight.

I haven't forgotten the oath I took so many years ago, sir -- have you?

* * * * *
Numbers Note: While people often associate the American Legion with all Veterans, the Legion's membership of 2.7 million comprises only 10 percent of our country's 26.5 million Vets.
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commander bunnypants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 10:38 AM
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1. wow
:wow:

great post.

I am supposed to protect the constitution only the way they want!!

Not in my Merrcka

:wtf: ever happened to the right of dissent


CB
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 10:40 AM
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2. Ya mean the Paul Morin who LIED about his military service
to make him feel manly. Pauls says he's a Vietnam Vet. He spent his whole time in Fort Dix, New Jersey. I look back at my 24 years and try to figure out which Veterans Group sucks more American Legion or VFW. Thank goodness for AMVETS.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 10:48 AM
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3. I thought American Legion had been taken over by neocon fascists
<snip>
The American Legion

By John Spivak

In the 1920s and 1930s, the Legion “was a reactionary outfit whose members were quick to use baseball bats to break up strikes and civil rights demonstrations.... born on Feb. 16, 1919, when some twenty American officers met in Paris, reportedly on orders from the commanding officers of the American Expeditionary Forces. Europe was in a revolutionary ferment which was driving the victorious nations into a fear approaching panic. Spray from the waves of this international political restlessness sprinkled American servicemen, and our high command was not happy about the effect it might have. The officers who met were wealthy men and naturally perturbed by talk of revolution. Among them were Major Hamilton Fish, Jr., who headed the first congressional committee to investigate communist activities and Grayson Murphy.... gave it $125,000 and... solicited contributions from other industrialists.

When industry’s efforts to reduce high wartime wage scales resulted in many strikes, veterans in Legion posts were told that the strikers were communists trying to create a chaotic situation so the Reds could take over. Such patriotic appeals to save the country brought quick responses, and in the first ten or more years of its existence the Legion developed the reputation of being a strikebreaking agency available to harried industrialists. An American Civil Liberties Union report stated: “Of the forces most active in attacking civil rights, the American Legion led the field.”

Source: Excerpt, A Man in His Time, 1967.

He kept up a running attack on the conspirators night after night , revealing facts that had been omitted in the official committee report. In another broadcast he lashed out at the American Legion with no holds barred:

Do you think it could be hard to buy the American Legion for un-American activities? You know, the average veteran thinks the Legion is a patriotic organization to perpetuate the memories of the last war, an organization to promote peace, to take care of the wounded and to keep green the graves of those who gave their lives.

But is the American Legion that? No sir, not while it is controlled by the bankers. For years the bankers, by buying big club houses for various posts, by financing its beginning, and otherwise, have tried to make a strikebreaking organization of the Legion. The groups-the so-called Royal Family of the Legion - which have picked its officers for years, aren't interested in patriotism, in peace, in wounded veterans, in those who gave their lives. . . No, they are interested only in using the veterans, through their officers.
<MORE>

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/legion.html
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 01:01 PM
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14. A man in his time
Edited on Wed May-16-07 01:13 PM by formercia
A title used primarily by members of the Knights of malta. Example: One man in his time By Serge Obolensky, the Memoirs of Serge Obolensky, White Russian, Knight of Malta, member of the OSS in WWII. If you search, you will see variations of this title with various connections to the knights.

The Foreign Legion is a front organization of the Knights of Malta.


The so called 'Royal Family of the Legion' are the Knights of Malta.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 10:50 AM
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4. Has Morin issued a statement on Fred Phelps and his
band of a*holes who protest the troops funerals? Hmmmmm? Such hypocrisy.

Here's another great diary on Daily Kos about this:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/16/7542/06061

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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 11:01 AM
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6. AHA! Phelps received American Legion Citizenship Award !
At 16, but I found that funny that it's even noted in his bio:

http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/phelpsbio.html
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 10:51 AM
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5. And they always provide a willing audience
for Dick (five deferments) Cheney, while calling Clinton a "draft-dodger".
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 04:32 PM
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16. Don't forget Georgie's fightin' in Alabama...
...Oh wait...but what the hell...the AL's always good for a photo-op and backdrop :evilgrin:

Remember this guy? OK, VFW....still, they're not all bad :D

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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 11:22 AM
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7. You All Know I would Comment
The American Legion does not speak for Veterans anymore. The Focus should be on Veterans not political games
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 07:48 PM
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18. They should speak more for Walter Reed and VA hospitals
that need them more right now.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 11:27 AM
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8. The American Legion can go fornicate itself
They don't speak for this vet and never will.
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pwb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 11:37 AM
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9. Our legion closed down two years ago.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 11:40 AM
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10. but but but by supporting georgie and republikkkans
they insure having more vets to perpetuate the legions existence.
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 11:41 AM
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11. I'm a disabled vet and I say:
The American Legion can go to hell.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 11:45 AM
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13. 'nuff said
If the American Legion isn't standing up for disabled vets, they have NO legitimacy.

Thank you for enlightening us.
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indypaul Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 11:44 AM
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12. The American Legion and VFW
Edited on Wed May-16-07 11:59 AM by indypaul
have both become extensions of the GOP. They were strangely
quiet during the Walter Reed incident when if they were true
to their purpose should have been leading the charge. I speak
as a Korean theater veteran (52-53) and feel there are many others who
probably feel the same.

On edit: I believe it was a Texas Assemblyman who said wisely,

I can find more support for those who burn the flag and wrap
themselves in the constitution, rather than those who burn
the constitution and wrap themselves in the flag.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 01:25 PM
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15. More on the mindset of the American Legion:
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jcrew2001 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 04:43 PM
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17. I went to the American Legion Boys State - it was a week of
marching and rigging elections.
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bluescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:32 AM
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19. From a fellow Navy vet
I'm proud to Kick and recommend this post. I never had much use for either the Legion or the VFW. Although, to be fair, I believe the VFW restricts its membership to actual vets. I think the Legion will let anyone in.
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:34 AM
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20. K & R
Very salient points...coming from a vet.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:34 AM
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21. I concur.



The American Legion is just a jingoistic good ole boys club as far as I'm concerned. They sure as hell don't represent me and I'll never have anything to do with them.


USN 65 - 69.









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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:45 PM
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22. Sad old men striving to remain politically relevant.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:05 AM
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23. A *kick* for Memorial Day
and for those who may have missed this :patriot:
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