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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:53 PM Original message |
Challenge to potential '08 candidate supporters: articulate your candidate's Iraq position. |
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GrpCaptMandrake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. I can limit it to three |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Beat me to it |
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Infinite Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
95. This idea is good on paper, but the fact is it'll be used as a tool of |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. No lack of clarity there.... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 10:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
70. What if we got out now, and the violence escalated instead of diminishing? |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:30 PM Response to Reply #70 |
79. what if we left and those evil mooslims started murdering innocent kittens? |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 07:12 PM Response to Reply #70 |
91. The violence will escalate whether we get out or stay. |
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JohnLocke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
2. John Edwards. |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Are you really unable to articulate Edwards' position on Iraq? |
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JohnLocke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Umm....it's in the op-ed. |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I am asking if YOU are able to articulate your candidate's position. |
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JohnLocke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. You're being disingenuous here. |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Calling me a liar won't miraculously transform your link and quote into an answer to the challenge. |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:01 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. I think he/she wants you to be able to cough it up in your own words |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Exactly. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
3. For Clark: Read This Kos Diary |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Are you really unable to articulate Clark's position on Iraq? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Unfair slam |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I'm sorry that you are offended by the fact that you have not risen to the challenge. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. I'm not offended by not rising to your challange |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:18 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Please try to be more accurate. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
35. You said: "Are you really unable to articulate Clark's position on Iraq?" |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 10:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
96. You Are A Cool One, Mr. Rinaldo |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
12. John Kerry |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
14. Kerry supported IWR as standard tool to force Saddam's cooperation. When weapons inspections |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
15. Here's my summary... |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. No lack of clarity there, either. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. What are you driving at? Kerry's plan is very clear. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I believe that's what she said - there is NO LACK of clarity. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 07:31 AM Response to Reply #25 |
65. Oops. Sorry I misread that. n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
17. Kerry |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
24. I don't do 100 word summaries on issues that scream "intelligent and comprehensive policy" |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:27 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. good luck canvassing for your candidate if you can't state his position. |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I don't like your snide and snotty comebacks here - especially when an appeal to your brain is made. |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Ok. Now everyone knows how you feel about me. |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 09:43 AM Response to Reply #28 |
67. So don't play. |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 08:09 PM Response to Reply #67 |
100. That's exactly what W is banking on: |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
27. John Edwards |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
29. Wes Clark's Iraq position and my thoughts on it...... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
30. Clark's bottom line; Attempt to prevent a wider war. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Hell....you done good! |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Are you saying that Clark believes troops should stay in Iraq until after negotiations with Iran? |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. If you read the longer article you wouldn't have trouble devining the nuances of 100 words or less |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:09 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. First explain to me why you have no questions for "Get. Out. Now." |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Tisk tisk Tom - that's 186 words! |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Because that really is Kucinich's position and the poster stated it quite clearly. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:54 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Saying "negotiate troop withdrawals in the context of regional diplomacy" |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 06:02 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. A secret plan to end the war? Surely that's not what you are saying? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 06:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Last try. |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 07:01 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. re: |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 09:09 PM Response to Reply #49 |
63. Re: Re: |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:50 PM Response to Reply #63 |
76. Clark's own words on Iraq: "Withdrawal? A bad idea." |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:37 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. No spin is needed , but context is everything! |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:46 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Which is exactly why people should read Clark's plan for indefinite occupation for themselves. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:53 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Again, you can call it what you'd like if it makes you feel smugger...... |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 06:34 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. You're staking a possible failure of negotiation on Iran - a perilous assumption |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Who do you think you are? This response is wayyyyy too |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 07:24 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Well, I haven't actually addressed the position of Clark (or others) but... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 07:41 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. How'd you come up with that?!? |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 07:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
56. "Get. Out. Now." is a pithy bumper stickerism but nowhere near a sound policy position. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. If this is your educated conclusion, and it will help you |
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IA_Seth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 11:51 AM Response to Reply #32 |
72. So what exactly do you want? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #72 |
81. lillibigone has determined that he only needed 4 words on Clark's position.... |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Very nice Tom. |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 10:33 PM Response to Reply #30 |
97. Well done! |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
38. Obama |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Good job. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 06:02 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. So it appears that Obama is for a timetable up front instead of |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 09:49 AM Response to Reply #38 |
69. Obama now supports Kerry-Feingold, it seems. Welcome aboard Sen. Obama. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
50. So you're a supporter of John Kerry eh? |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 07:54 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. In ten words or less |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 09:48 AM Response to Reply #50 |
68. heheh....I doubt it...this poster is tough on everyone from what I've seen. |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
52. There must be some supporters of Gore or Clinton willing to weigh in |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 07:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. So lillibigone |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 07:57 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Maybe I'm an idealist |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 08:05 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. And maybe pigs rollerskate backwards on a cloudy day... |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 08:08 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. I don't get it |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 08:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Shhhhhhhh |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 08:54 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Now you are even more right. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 09:27 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. John Kerry and time-tables. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:06 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Who's debated Kerry's plan? |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:01 PM Response to Reply #66 |
77. No, I was unclear, |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 08:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. self-delete |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
71. Challenge to you: stop turning serious foreign policy into a sound bite |
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Pithy Cherub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 12:51 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. It's a tool for simplistic thinking and anti-intellectualism. |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 05:07 PM Response to Reply #73 |
85. Yes......but you have to remember |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. I still think that these proposals put out by Dems should be to provide Bush with |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 10:47 PM Response to Reply #86 |
102. Which plans are you assuming are political? |
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Pithy Cherub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 05:43 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. LOL! But smart marketing means |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
74. Gore |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:47 PM Response to Reply #74 |
83. Why should they bother? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 06:05 PM Response to Reply #74 |
88. Everyone (almost) wants us out |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 06:45 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Even Bush CLAIMS he wants us out. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 07:41 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Just like Clark my ass! |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:12 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. Hey I tried to cooperate again |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 01:43 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. No |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
75. Clinton |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
78. Hillary |
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rdarmand (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:08 PM Response to Reply #78 |
101. I haven't heard that she has articulated one ... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
89. Ok, although |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 07:31 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Which is great....in Bizzarro World. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 01:42 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. Your response is not chopped liver. |
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