"Is Hillary Likable?" "Should She Run In '08?" STFU!!!

[orleans]

my god!

08?

likable?

who gives a shit at this point?

msnbc running another important/urgent piece of crap like this moments ago.

isn't this country AT WAR?

haven't the fucking republicans RUINED so much policy that we need to spend the next year trying to put it all back together again? (aren't we going to be "fixing" this country for an extended period of time?)

SHOULDN'T WE BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE DEMS NEED TO DO STARTING IN JANUARY?

(is hillary likable? why not just stick your head up your ass for the next year so we can get some "real" news/interviews/updates on matters a bit MORE FUCKING PRESSING!)

--same goes with all the obama coverage.

[xultar]

1. A woman and a black man potentially running who have a chance is quite historical.

Obama really has a chance.
Hillary really has a chance.

That's pretty big.

[Clark2008]

24. Yes and no.

They both really have a chance to be the party's nominee, but I don't think either has a shot in hell of being president.

I live in a purple state... one that chose another mealy-mouthed millionaire who was white over a polished, accomplished and dedicated US Congressman who was black. I don't know how much race played into it, but I'm sure, even if it was minor, it was enough to keep this purple state from flipping red to blue.

[FrenchieCat]

2. It is scary that the 24/7 promotion of Obama and Hillary only is soooo obvious!

Wonder what the media has up its sleeves? Attempting to manipulate the decision of other potential interested in running....since it is said that most will decide right after the new year? Or is it to distract from other news, and keep Dems from enjoying the fact that they trounced the GOP just last month? Whatever it is, it's working when it shouldn't. Sad.

[BOSSHOG]

3. But how does that make you feel??

Deep breaths, close your eyes, relax - for these exercises will assist us Grasshopper as we deal with the reality you so eloquently pointed out in your post.

[orleans]

6. grasshopper says "ah, thank you"

:smoke: :hippie: :smoke: :hippie: :smoke: :hippie: :eyes:

[demnan]

4. Yes

Hillary is likeable.

[hijinx87]

5. the name of the forum is "general discussion : politics"

people tend to discuss politics here.

and personally, I find the incessant complaining about the discussion of 2008
candidates infinitely more pointless and annoying than the actual
discussion of 2008 candidates.

[BOSSHOG]

7. Bring it on

I'll raise pointless and annoying to your incessant complaining and call your bluff.

[hijinx87]

18. this is all pretty much par for the course

you see this whenever congress is out of session; the MSM has to
find something to amuse itself with. it looks like "clinton vs. obama"
is it this time.

[orleans]

8. yes, i know what the name of the forum is. and i'm posting about

msnbc and their constant drumbeat on two potential dem candidates rather than them reporting on the work the new dem congress is going to need to do

msnbc/media/taking the easy way out for airtime with the same redundant story chris matthews was always yakking about rather than doing some actual news/political reporting on the dem congressional win/plan/takeover/ and their committees/hearings/proposals/policies/viewpoints/agenda

on edit: "news reporting" (fillers) like that, in my opinion, might appeal to someone who doesn't really give a shit or know about politics, not someone who is actually involved--someone who doesn't know who john conyers is, or maxine waters, or russ fiengold. it's worthy of a light and airy "morning show" not appropriate for news. it's just easy fluff.


so...what's your point?

[hijinx87]

14. the MSM is what it is.

they focus on the horse race aspect to the detriment of actually
covering issues. it's been like this for a long time, and I don't
think it's going to change anytime soon.

just wait for phase III of obamamania; "tearing down that which we
just built up". that is what will be annoying.

and the congressional leadership is going to have to get out in front
of the MSM as far as the legislative agenda goes; they will have to
be forced to cover it. "the only way to make news is to make news",
as I have heard it said.

[suston96]

9. I give a shit...

...I like the idea that in this country we can vote in primaries and pick who our candidates will be, after watching a number of them battle it out for months, maybe even for years. That is neat. That is real democracy.

Then, on election day in November, 2008, we will pick one. I am hoping that the winner will be a woman, or an African-American - either one - and either one a first. And maybe, if we are lucky, they will both win.

Now all of this will depend if all the votes we cast are actually counted. But that's another discussion.

[orleans]

10. is now the time for the media to be doing all this fluffing?

shouldn't they be covering more PRESSING ISSUES?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061212/ap_on_go_co/congress_pet_projects

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/11/opinion/polls/main2247797.shtml

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Bob%20Geiger/295

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Plaid%20Adder/87

sorry, i didn't realize that hillary's and obama's potential run in 08 WAS the pressing issue for dems here.

:puke:

[suston96]

13. Huh?

"sorry, i didn't realize that hillary's and obama's potential run in 08 WAS the pressing issue for dems here."

You brought Hillary up. Of course there are more pressing issues to me and probably to most on this board:

The war is one, and fixing the broken election process is anther. Both more pressing that Election 2008 and even (as I duck and run) even more pressing than impeachment.

That doesn't mean we cannot discuss all of them - as they individually impact each of us.

[glarius]

11. A non-American asks "why are you asking if Hilary is likable?" ....Every time I see her

being interviewed on TV, she comes across as very likable....with a good sense of humour! I am always puzzled when I keep hearing Republicans calling her unlikable or cold or divisive, etc.,.....and Democrats not coming to her defense but seemingly accepting the Republican description of her. Is there some deep, dark secret about her I don't know????:shrug:

[orleans]

12. i'm not asking that question. the "news" was asking that question.

that's my point. why does the news keep saying stupid shit like this? is canadian news different? (i would hope so)

[glarius]

15. But I do keep hearing Repubs saying that about her and Dems not

refuting it. Maybe that is part of the reason why the media keeps repeating it....although in general, I do agree that your media has fallen in with the Bush bullsit from the beginning.
P.S...My point is that the Democrats should spend more effort in defending her.

[windy252]

23. While I don't find HRC unlikeable,

unfortunately, from discussions with my family and others, a lot of others do. I think it's mainly the result of the constant smear campaign on her since 1992? or was it earlier? What I get is this weird explanation that she can win, but then the person says "NO!!!!" when asked if they'll vote for her. Also, we have the media who during the '04 campaign was more concerned about which candidate would be more fun to have a beer with than which one could actually fix the mess we were in even then.

[suston96]

16. Ah, that's different...

...the "news" will take on the most glaring and explosive issue that comes along.

Obama and Hillary are hot news. Look at how the election corruption has slipped away. Impeachment? Fuggedabout it until after January 3.

Obama and Hillary are happy news and Iraq is bad news even though both are explosive. That's the way news works.

[orleans]

17. well, this "liberal" news media is starting to get on this liberal's nerves

(and cnn hiring glenn beck? my god! i can't even go there--i just foam at the mouth over that one!)

[nashville_brook]

19. among lawmakers, she has a reputation of looking out for herself

maybe that's it.

[paulk]

21. The Republicans do this to every candidate the Democrats

run. They did it to Gore and Kerry. They did it to Mondale and Dukakis. They tried to do it to Bill Clinton.

The Republicans own the media - and way too many Democrats buy into the media spin because it's easier than finding out for themselves what a candidate is about.

[Clark2008]

25. Actually, to many people in our heartland here, she isn't likeable

and does come across as cold.

It probably differs depending on what part of the country one is from. You being in Canada probably are more familiar with the attitudes and personas of Americans from the northern part of our country. People in the South and mid-West tend to be a little less abrupt and more, hmmm... how to explain this, more laid-back and "warm" (yes, even when they're stabbing you in the back).

I'm not saying she IS cold or anything - hell, I don't know and I don't care - but a lot of folks around here think she is because she seems so calculated to them - whether that's a media creation or not.

Hope this makes sense.

[nashville_brook]

20. the week my mother died, the family did more shopping than i've ever seen

...retail therapy. actually, estate sale therapy, but same diff. our world was crumbling and instead of sitting together in remembrance (or whatever), the *impulse* was to get away from the house... go out to another person's broken house and scour their belongings for something to bring back to our house to make us whole again.

this is what the media seems to be doing. the world is burning and there's precious little discussion of what matters. We're to the point of absurdity with the denial in this country when the media "conversation" turns to the "likability" of anything. that's the dictionary definition of a meaningless exchange. do people "like" Hillary? that's not just an empty gesture -- it's an AFFRONT to the people in a time of WAR.

[election_2004]

22. No....and no.....

Next question, please! ;)

[fuzzyball]

26. Yes, Hillary is my Snow White running against the other

dxxxfs.