I just got a call from the DNC ... looking for money .......

[Stinky The Clown]

..... and, as has been my practice of late, told them that when they start talking loud, long, and hard and at every ... ****EVERY**** .... opportunity about the voting system and the ability to manipulate and steal our votes, they can expect our donations. But not till then.

Before anyone tells me that I'm witholding money they need and that they *are* talking about the issue, let me answer you.

I/We do donate. To candidates, not just locally, but in districts elsewhere where we see a chance for a pick-up against a Repub incumbent. We donate to our state dem party. We donate to our local dem candidates.

An afterthought remark about voting issues is not **talking** about it. It is 'mentioning' it. Big difference.

And for the diehard partisans of personality, this is NOT directed at Dr. Dean. I/we think he's doing a great job and has achieved a new record in getting people in races and funding the local structures nationally. I appreciate that and appreciate that it takes money. But for now, our money will go to specific dems and specific dem organizations in specific districts where a serious specific need exists.

Come closer to the serious campaign season, we'll support the national party more, I'm sure. But for now, we hope this is one way to get their attention.

Flame away ........

[niyad]

1. as one of my friends said to them, "not until you grow a set"

[OzarkDem]

20. You're confusing DNC w/ Congressional Dems

not the same organization. Howard Dean as been speaking out clearly and forcefully, but he can't control the Dems in Congress.

If you want to punish someone, punish them. But the DNC is getting the job done for you.

[Stinky The Clown]

37. Actually, I don't see it as punishing ........

.... I see it as making my views known. They call. I say what's on my mind.

I hope like hell they're tracking the reasons people might be witholding money.

As for my ultimate disposition of my political donations .... consider mine as being in escrow.

[OzarkDem]

38. But the DNC has been doing a good job

we shouldn't be punishing them for doing such excellent work.

The more you support the DNC, the more pressure you put on the Congressional Dems who are fighting them.

[shaniqua6392]

2. I completely agree!!

We have done the same thing. I have even written notes to that effect on the multitude of donation requests that we receive in the mail. No flames here for you. I want to see more aggression from this party before they get any more of our money.

[Evergreen Emerald]

3. what was the response?

[Stinky The Clown]

4. "Thank you for your thoughts ........

..... we've heard that before."

[madfloridian]

5. Then why post about it and cause others to think you disapprove....

because that is what it sounds like. It sounds like you are not on board with the Democrats.

Now I don't give flip how you vote...one way or the other is fine with me...Republican is fine, too.

But why come to a Democratic board and announce it?

Hmmmm......

This is the 5th post in 12 hours encouraging not to give.saying the Dems have no ball, and all the stuff, and then saying flame away or something like that.

If you don't want to donate then don't do it....but why announce it.

The DNC meeting on C-Span was great. Kerry's speech was great. A friend here and I had a bet these posts would appear.

It has nothing to do with Dean...you are right...it appears to have to do with 08.

Flame away, as you say.

[Stinky The Clown]

11. Oh man ...... talk about word parsing ........

First ...... 08? Where did *that* come from?

Second, this is exactly the kind of post **I** was expecting.

You wanna know what I'm talking about????? I'll tell you.

Just as an example, when a Dem spokesperson is on with, say, Leslie Blitzer, or Tweety Matthews, or Fat Timmy Potatohead, and is asked some set-up question like what's the plan? or what would the dems do about securing our ports they just fumble the ball.

Instead of saying something like "Dems have been calling for blah, blah, blah ....." and playing into the RW media spin trap, why not say something like: "The Democrats DO have a plan. It starts with allowing voters to have their votes counted reliably. If counted reliably and verifably, then we'd know what the American people want. We'd know how the American people want to balance security against their loss of rights ........ "

That isn't hard to do. My issue is why are they NOT doing it.

And you'll note on second read that we **do** donate. Just that right now, it is very targeted. And as said, we'll donate direct to the DNC ..... just not right now.

The rest of your post is meaningless personality tripe that I choose to ignore.

[madfloridian]

12. I don't care where you donate...not at all.

It has nothing to do with me...not at all. It is the way DU is being used for this stuff. Now that pisses me off.

[Stinky The Clown]

14. Can you be clearer?

I don't understand what you're saying, much less implying.

[Teresa4ChrisCarney]

6. The fifty state strategy is going to save the party

from it's current small minded appeasement model. Your thinking is counter productive. Dean can only make what you want to happen if people donate.

[madfloridian]

8. DU is fast becoming the bash the Democrats place to be.

And it usually happens after one or more of our Democrats have spoken out, or made good presentations...

It is organized elsewhere at several forums, and most people understand that.

A lot of it has to do with 08 candidates.

AND everytime Dean comes out with more of the "plan"...more of what is coming....then there are posts after posts pointing out that the Democrats have no plan.

There is tinge of 04 jealousy in most of them. It makes me so damn glad that Howard Dean ain't gonna run in 08....so I don't have a horse in the race that is going to become very nasty very soon.

I support the DNC because I trust Howard Dean's makeover of it. I support DFA because it works with the DNC yet provides a side voice in some ways.

Give it 5 minutes there will be another post talking about the Dem's balls, the lack thereof, lack of a plan...give it 5 minutes.

[Stinky The Clown]

35. Hyperbole and projection

Your post is meaningless.

[Stinky The Clown]

43. I blew this one off earlier, but I can't allow it to stand ....

..... and cuz I have insomnia ..... But let's see what you said ... point by point ......

And it usually happens after one or more of our Democrats have spoken out, or made good presentations...

What is it, exactly, that 'happens'? Someone making a post? My post was not five minutes after I got a call from the DNC. It surely wasn't in regards to someone's 'presentation'. In fact, the call came while I was on the deck doing up some cheap steaks and watching HGTV.

It is organized elsewhere at several forums, and most people understand that.

What is it that's 'organized'? That makes no sense to me at all. Can you be specific. And if you can, please tell me how it relates to me, specifically. And if you can't be specific about what seems to me to be an accusation directed at me, then please say that, too. To be prefectly honest, that statement sounds like either paranoia or the result of some feeling of persecution. Again, it also sounds like you're accusing me of something. Please be clearer.

A lot of it has to do with 08 candidates.

Here again, I have to ask ..... what, specifically, are you talking about? What 08 candidate did I mention or which 08 candidate am I supposedly shilling for? Actually, how did my OP even lead your mind to go to 08???? I'm sorry, but this statement just mystifies me.

AND everytime Dean comes out with more of the "plan"...more of what is coming....then there are posts after posts pointing out that the Democrats have no plan.

Every time *Dean* comes out with a plan? My issue isn't with Dean and I clearly said so. My issue is with the DNC. You seem to be conflating the two whereas I don't. Just as an aside, were you this strong a DNC advocate when McAuliffe was chair? Did you refer to all of the DNC 'plans' then as McAuliffe's plans? Or Ed Rendell's when he had the job?

There is tinge of 04 jealousy in most of them. It makes me so damn glad that Howard Dean ain't gonna run in 08....so I don't have a horse in the race that is going to become very nasty very soon.

I don't even know where to start with this bit. What 04 jealosy do I have? Please answer that, cuz I'd sure like to know. It seems from your having said that you're glad Dean isn't running, that maybe its you who has 'issues' with the 04 outcome.

I support the DNC because I trust Howard Dean's makeover of it. I support DFA because it works with the DNC yet provides a side voice in some ways.

How did DFA get into this?

Give it 5 minutes there will be another post talking about the Dem's balls, the lack thereof, lack of a plan...give it 5 minutes.

I admire your passion for the DNC and for your guy, Dean. Every candidate should be so lucky as to have diehard supporters like you. Indeed, we'd be better as a party for it. But please, before you jump down people's throughts for what you ***think** they **meant** as compared to what they actually said in actual words, be sure of **your** motives before questioning -or bashing - theirs.

And as a final point, I was a passionate and enthusiastic supporter of Dean's for the DNC chair. I saw him as the very best guy for the job, a guy who could shake up the status quo and who could go toe to toe with the Vichy's in our party. I still feel that way. I also think he's doing a great job and have been saying so. In fact, I've been singing his praises - just as but one example - for getting out candidates in 431 of the 435 house races. That's a new record, in case you didn't know.

Now, maybe we can let this pass? Okay?

[madfloridian]

54. Your post was another announcing lack of support.

There are many others just like it. That is what is bothering a lot of us here, that DU is being filled with this type of post...day after day.

This is not about Dean, though your use of the word "paranoia" in referring to me...clarified a lot of where some of this came from.

This statement of yours:

"Every time *Dean* comes out with a plan? My issue isn't with Dean and I clearly said so. My issue is with the DNC. You seem to be conflating the two whereas I don't. Just as an aside, were you this strong a DNC advocate when McAuliffe was chair? Did you refer to all of the DNC 'plans' then as McAuliffe's plans? Or Ed Rendell's when he had the job?"

This statement clarified for me that you don't understand at all that what is going on in the DNC is different than before. It makes me feel that all the posts here about the Democracy Bonds and the 50 State Strategy have gone unnoticed completely. This is a new concept, not done for years. It is why we have been losing...no party foundation throughout the country.

You do not seem to understand the change he is trying to make at all. You don't get that by stating your lack of support for the DNC, you are saying that you don't support the change he is trying to make. And you are thereby giving more power to the groups who are griping about the money he is spending on the state parties to rebuild.

He is outraising the DSCC and DCCC right now, but they spend theirs only on candidates. That is their job. Dean is trying to change the DNC now to include more candidates below federal level, to build a base to draw from later on... a farm team. They don't want him spending the money that way.

The party wants him to give THEM the money, they are griping that he is spending it on rebuilding. This emphasis on all the states is a sea change in the party. I thought you realized that.

By posting here that you are not supporting the DNC, you are hurting this change.

When you use the word "paranoia" in connection with me, you should realize this is a talking point generated against me by supporters of two candidates during 04. It is carried over here quite often, I am used to it, it does not bother me. I just wanted you to know I knew where it came from.

[Stinky The Clown]

57. Your final paragraph ......

... where you say "When you use the word "paranoia" in connection with me, you should realize this is a talking point generated against me by supporters of two candidates during 04."

Only you would know if that's true or not. But my observation was based entirely on what you said in this thread.

<on edit ..... I wish I were important enough to have talking points - pro or con - directed at me. As they say in Hollywood ..... say anything you about me. Just spell my name right.>

[madfloridian]

10. And yes, you are right about the 50 state plan. I agree.

.

[PetraPooh]

7. I agree completely, no money till I know my vote will be counted.

What's the point if the election fraud isn't stopped anyway. It is apparent GWB hasn't actually won either the 2000 or the 2004 elections, but there he is screwing up our country, our country's reputation, our country's finances, and on on on on on .

[madfloridian]

9. Do NOT donate to the Democrats...they are the bad guys.

You are right. Let the GOP have it again. Ok?

[Stinky The Clown]

13. Nobody said that and you know it

So stop with your whining and if you want to engage on my thread, at least have the decency to debate rather than whine.

[madfloridian]

15. I don't care enough to whine about your donations.

You must have missed the other threads that started yesterday. You have every right to post what you want, and you have every right not to donate except to whom you choose.

[Stinky The Clown]

16. Thanks

bye

[madfloridian]

22. When did people start owning threads at DU.

I don't own the ones I post.

Your post like about 5, minimum, others here yesterday since Dean and Kerry were on C-Span...is telling thousands of people you don't trust that the DNC is trying to change the party.

And it encourages others not to do so.

We are still in the 04 mindset, and it is sort a jealous one that needs to stop.

[Stinky The Clown]

26. What are you talking about?

huh?

[PetraPooh]

40. Did you even read?

Husb2Sparky, says he won't donate till ELECTION FRAUD is being screamed from the rooftops by dems. He didn't say anything about not "trusting" the DNC in regards to "changing the party"; just one issue, they aren't doing enough to guarantee our VOTES WILL COUNT, instead of the flagrant fraudulent voting that seems to be happening AND HAS BEEN PROVEN TO HAVE HAPPENED in so many places.

[brentspeak]

17. So what you're doing is advocating that people here NOT support the Dems

I think you're on the wrong website. You took a left turn when you meant to take a right.

[Stinky The Clown]

19. Absolutely not and you know it

So don't be cute or obtuse.

You know what I'm saying and exactly what I meant. If you disagree - and you obviously do - debate the issue rather than saying cute stuff.

[Senator]

21. Did you not read: "We donate to our local dem candidates." ?!?

I do the same as the original poster when it comes to the DNC, the DCCC, and the DSCC.

No less support. Just controlling who spends the money we invest.

--

[brentspeak]

24. So you can enjoy having a local Democratic freeholder

and maybe a couple of Democratic members on the local Board of Education, as the Republicans continue to hold the federal seats where all the power lies.



:crazy: :crazy: :dunce:

[Stinky The Clown]

34. Look, if you want to understand .......

..... engage in discussion. If you want to take pot shots, then don't expect to learn anything.

I will indulge you just this once ..... and as **already** suggested in the OP:

We make donations and support in various ways not only our lcals dems, but also dems in other areas and other states. In other areas and other states, the candidates we support are either for the US House or the US Senate.

Is any part of that unclear or anti party?

Let me be even more specific .... no Greens .... no Libertarians, no one other than bona fide Dems .... with a "(D)" after their names.

This is DEMOCRATIC Underground. We're DEMOCRATS. We want DEMOCRATS to win. Toward that end we support DEMOCRATS.

Any other questions?

[nolabels]

44. I am "either or"

The "either or" is not a solution but a symptom. Lest we make words of an orthodoxy our reason for being, I would say supporting what is just is the only thing that makes any sense to me. Your mistake appears to be in that you have decided what should be important to other people, but that is only my assumption.

[Stinky The Clown]

45. If I understand you correctly .......

...... and I am far from sure that I do ...... then your assumption would be wrong.

[nolabels]

64. And that is why I am independent that donates to the democrats

Find that one issue and then find your candidate that has that issue on the agenda. Donate your time and or your money on that issue while you are making known to your candidate that this is your issue. That's the way it worked for me till they started really stealing elections. It always goes from local to national, the window is closing for them to be able to steal anymore and not get caught. So if election fraud is your issue what is your solution and or your candidate for issue, otherwise why would you be tooling around this thread?

[blondeatlast]

32. Hear, hear! Same with me. I'll support the DNC generously

after the primaries, for now I want MY voice heard.

[madfloridian]

33. Ah, after the primaries....just in time.

I see.

[blondeatlast]

29. Holy hell--did you get the OP as wrong as you possibly could.

Sheesh. :eyes:

[OzarkDem]

18. I bought Democracy Bonds

Under Dr. Dean, the DNC is making good use of its funds and rebuilding the Dems grassroots network.

Dean can't control what the Vichy Dems in Congress do, but he can make them come to him for funds...

[AtomicKitten]

23. me too - a good investment

It is clear Dean knows what he's doing.

[NoPasaran]

58. I have a Democracy Bond also

Aside from that though I am keeping my donation money in Texas this year. We have a lot of good candidates this year but I fear we are mostly going to get our asses kicked, not because we don't have good candidates, not because we don't have a message, but because we just don't have the money to come close to the GOP. And I want to give big thanks to Senator RUSS FEINGOLD, who came down here last week to help my congressional candidate John Courage fund raise---and every penny stayed with Courage! This is in contrast with lots of other Dem bigwigs <cough>Hillary Clinton<cough> who treat our state like an ATM machine.

[madfloridian]

25. Thanks. It is the only way to try to wean the party from corporate money.

It is an effort, and a good one. We both buy them, hubby and myself.

[janx]

27. You might want to read this, H2S--

http://www.dnc.org/a/national/election_reform/

[madfloridian]

31. Don't bother,Janx. I have often posted that.

It is not enough. Nothing is enough. It is just going to get worse.

[Stinky The Clown]

36. I am aware of that.

But if I have to go to a website to see ... as in involved and informed Democrat .... how can we expect Joe Sixpack to find it? This is exactly what I'm talking about. This sgould be the lead-in to every answer on those rare occasions when the other big issue - the worthless media - allows one of our people some face time.

Another example ..... the Dem response to the borders crap the Repubs have been spewing was posted en espanol on the DNC website. Why was it not on Telemundo?

If they called me to donate for money specifically to put an ad on Telemundo, I'd have given happily.

[madfloridian]

39. They put ads all over the hispanic radio in various areas.

They had fliers made up, sent out. They said the Republicans were lying, Reid did, Dean did.

The group at the DNC meeting yesterday, as Maureen White, put it yesterday when Dean introduced her as the new DNC Finance Chair...said she was meeting the people who did the hard work on the ground, the drudge work.

That meeting was the ones who voted Dean in. They are thrilled with the 50 state plan.

The DNC had mostly radio ads because so many Democrats are withholding support. That is the bottom line of what you are doing when you advocate for this.

The DNC raised 78 million last year up to March this year. That is more than either the DCCC or the DSCC raised. The difference is Dean put the money in the states to rebuild them.

It is the people who are shouting the loudest for change, yet are doing such harm by posting about not giving. You have every right to do that, and I support your right to do so. But that is why they are concentrating on radio ads right now.

It takes money.

[GregD]

28. Why flame? I agree completely

They called recently and I told them I would provide direct support to grassroots candidates but not a dime until the electeds get a freaking spine.

[kansasblue]

30. I'm with you, Husb2Sparkly.....

I'm not saying don't give.... I give. To WWW.EFF.org ... fighting vote fraud and guarding the internet. I give to Bradblog fighting like heck on vote fraud and more. I give to ACLU, Rawstory, Senator Russ Fiengold, And of course DU. But if you ain't fighting... you ain't getting my money. Give if you like. It's your money. Give to who ever you think would use your money best. I have my short list and the DNC isn't on it.

[Ignacio Upton]

41. You are hurting Howard Dean, not the DSCC, DCCC or DLC

Don't donate to Schumer or Emmanuel if you're pissed off. Dean isn't responsible for the party's shortcomings. Also, he has been speaking out against the machines.

[Stinky The Clown]

42. I'm not 'hurting' anyone

I'm making my views known to the DNC.

And as I posted upthread, Dean just happens to be the current DNC chair. To see it differently is simply to make it clear that this is, possibly for you, a matter of personality.

For me, it is a matter of doing what needs to be done.

[madfloridian]

52. You are hurting someone who is trying a new big change in the DNC

I think it is being done at almost every Democratic liberal board now. Some of it is sincere, because people don't understand the difference between funding the party with small donors and catering to lobbyists. Some of it is unfortunately more akin to astroturfing.

This is different. He is trying to make it more than your usual party, and if you don't want to donate, then don't.

But announcing it is tatamount to disapproval of Dean's efforts and approval of the party keeping its status quo.

[Stinky The Clown]

53. Good morning. Welcome back

Can you reply to this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2586113&mesg_id=2586971

[nickshepDEM]

46. A more productive way...

Donate a small amount now and say you will get the rest when you do the following...

Just a thought.

[magellan]

56. That's what I did when the DNC called me Friday night

Although I very nearly did what Hub2Sparkly did -- I'm that disillusioned.

[seabeyond]

47. i donate monthly. take it right out of credit card. i just think it is a

needed thing. and i think dean is doing a good job. yes i want them to address the theft and i have talked to them about that. as a matter of fact, when talking to them i said they stole the election from kerry and the woman said, of course they did. so i dont know if it is a widely held belief and they are addressing, it i just dont know, or if it was an individual belief froom the woman. regardless, i like what dean is doing and i support him

just my two cents

[Stinky The Clown]

48. "dean is doing a good job"

I'm not arguing with your support. But I have to wonder. Isn't your statement a conflation of the DNC and Howard Dean? I always thought the DNC was a political organization of long standing .... and Dean was but the latest person to serve a term as its chair.

[seabeyond]

49. ok.....

shruggin shoulders. so..... i dont get what the issue is with that.

[Catchawave]

50. My political donations this past year:

DNC, thank you for choosing Dean
Hackett for Congress, loved his message
John Edwards, for inspiring 700 college kids to NOLA over spring break
Russ Feingold, DU 17.76 fundraiser for censure
Barbara Boxer for her amazing voice on committee
James Webb for Senate to defeat George Allen

There's just something so rewarding about donating to people who speak for the people ! Cold calls are a turn off for me, especially that I don't know how my money will be spent :shrug:

[Stinky The Clown]

51. Our giving record is similar to yours

Not the same names, but the same sensibility. And some local folks who's names would be meaningless outside of 10 miles of here.

[Catchawave]

55. Exactly, *voting* with our dollars

I THINK we're on to something Husb2Saprkly :loveya:

Grassroots/Netroots, whatever "they're" calling us these days, sorta takes me back to the "pen is mightier than the sword" days. Now, it's voting with our dollars?

I do have *EVERY* DU supported candidate in my file, the polarizing, the feel goods, and the professional politicans. I donate to those who "speak for me, work for me, and damn, that makes me happy" me.

I even noticed that it works. When DU held that Feingold "support his censure resolution" fundraiser, his pac reported an all time high in donations that month (which may or may not be connected?), but all of a sudden, he's showing up on mainstream polls! Like:

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=275

Grass/Net/roots works best when it works for all of us

:grouphug:

[magellan]

59. Hear hear!

Most of my political donations have been similar to yours and Hub2Sparkly's. I'm giving to progressive candidates who reflect my views...and there's nothing radical about my views, except when compared to the GOP.

Now I know why the girl heaved a sigh when I abridged my small contribution with the above. Guess their cold-callers are hearing a lot of discontent. I hope they take it as constructive criticism instead of blowing it off.

[Stinky The Clown]

61. Yeah, I hope they **are** listening ......

I think its pretty clear to all but a few that no one is **against** the DNC. We just want to be heard and this is the only way some of can see to make that happen.

[warrens]

60. I am just donating directly to congressional campaigns in Illinois

And later this summer, I will pick a few races outside the state to donate to as well. They seemed fine with that when I explained it to them.

[Stinky The Clown]

62. When you explained it to whom? The DNC?

By the way, my current strategy toward them will probably change when we closer to crunch time. But for now ...... its the only voice I have.

I sure hope they're paying attention to us 'rank and file, non-aligned, independent' Democratic Party little people.

[ray of light]

63. Well, I'm glad you donate locally. I think that is very

important if you are chosing to not donate nationally.

[iconoclastNYC]

65. I donate to candidates

I dont want one dollar of my money going to a Corporate DLC democrat.

I feel like we need to take back our party from the corporatists and I'm not going to give my money to the DSCC or the DCCC who have an affinty for "viable" (read "Corporate Blessed") candidates.

But the DNC.....its a grey area. I really like what Dean has done to make it more of a grass roots organization. The more common middle class/working people who join up and get involved with in the party the more attention our issues (such as election security) will get... so maybe funding the DNC is a good thing.

[Stinky The Clown]

68. I'm where you are .....

In fact, I gave to the DNC when Dean took over. I will very likely give more, but in due time. For now, my money is my voice.

[The Backlash Cometh]

66. Yes, but, don't you realize how important it is to have more Democrats

in Congress? Even if they are in name alone? We are so close to having a majority! (That doesn't agree on anything.)

[Stinky The Clown]

69. You sure haven't been reading many of my posts

A majority is vital. There is no more important issue.

But let's face it, they've now stolen at least three national elections and we have no idea whatever how many local elections run in years past that were practice for the Florida debacle in '00.

So part and parcel of winning in 06 is getting voting machines to count honestly. All the good work otherwise could easily be lost of that isn't in place. My temporary hold on donations to them is to get their attention and make my views known.

[The Backlash Cometh]

70. We had a majority and with a Lieberman in as majority leader, nothing

got done. Why? Maybe because it was in his best interest for Democrats not to achieve certain agendas. We don't need a Lieberman, we don't need a Daschle. We need people who are what they claim to be. Loyal to the party.

[Stinky The Clown]

71. I don't think Lieberman was ever Majority Leader

But let me be clear on one point. At this point we need every dem to win so we can take back our government. When that happens, then we can **fully** take back our party.

A vote for a guy like Lieberman is a vote closer to taking back the senate. Yeah, I don't like the guy either, but we need 51 people with a D after their name. He fits that bill.

That said, if his primary opponent can beat him, then that needs to happen now. If Lieberman wins the primary, he'll win the seat with or without my support, so he rest assured he won't get it. If Lamont wins the primary, he'd be one out-of-stater I'd be likely to support with realcashmoney.

[The Backlash Cometh]

72. If not the majority leader, Lieberman was in charge of a committee

prior to the 2002 midterm elections, which had the power to investigate the Bush Administration. I believe it involved a subpoena. We had a very narrow window of opportunity that might have put a stop to a lot of this nonsense and Lieberman vacillated. He believed we should wait until after the 2002 elections. And we all know what happened to the Democratic power after that.

So, he practically lost the 2000 elections for Gore, he literally halted the Democrats from doing their job as watchdogs of the executive branch AND he's been nothing but supportive of this Iraq war. Hmmmmm...

Nope. I don't think we need Democrats like Lieberman. All you've done is convince me that all our money should go into the primaries to unseat these false Democrats.

[garybeck]

67. you are doing the right thing

exactly what I do. if they want any money from me, they have to show that they are going to fight election fraud.

call it what you want. I'm not throwing my money in a hole. You can't win game when the outcome is fixed. If they fight fraud, I'll start contributing again.

[benny05]

73. Someone from DLCC called

He seemed surprised when I said that DLCC is not supporting the candidates running against Rethug incumbents. He tried to assure me they don't support just one candidate...and I replied that until they support many, I won't make a pledge. Sorry Chair Dean, but we have a great DEm candidate in my district that could kick the rethug out and your DLCC doesn't give a damn.

[madfloridian]

74. Ok, I'm convinced.

Not a single dime or dollar until the DNC wins. And they must win everywhere. They have to get out of Iraq right now. They have to stop the voting machines right now.

And I don't care at all that they can't do that in the minority. They just better do it anyway. But they don't need my money or my support at all.

Of course, this will make the right wing think tanks happy, it will make those happy who want to keep the decision making in just a few hands. But I don't care. I will have the satisfaction of telling them off.

[Stinky The Clown]

75. Wow .... et tu brutus?

I can't believe it.

[reprehensor]

76. "No flame for you!"

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_jgideon_060417_the_approaching_2006.htm

The Approaching 2006 E-Voting 'Train Wreck' Continues On Course...