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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 08:50 AM
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just one stinking crime. . .'scuse me, but there are countless others
Edited on Thu Dec-29-05 09:07 AM by stellanoir
I find it most intriguing that the warrantless surveillance on the citizenry, especially those terrifying Quakers, petrifying Peta people, and those troublesome tree hugging Sierra club folks, is getting so much attention as qualifying as a high crime.

This recent uproar reminded me of a lengthy laundry list compiled a while ago by one of those inciteful gentlemen over at the crisis papers that I happened to copy and save for some strange reason. .

http://www.crisispapers.org/.

"Among these open and confirmable crimes (of this administration):
*
Lying to Congress is a crime.
*
Disclosing the identity of a covert intelligence agent is a crime.
*
Perjury is a crime.
*
Influence peddling (“graft”) is a crime.
 *
Torture of prisoners and violation of the Geneva Conventions is a crime.
 *
Violation of civil liberties (denial of rights to counsel, trial, etc.) is a crime.
*
Failure to obey a court order (i.e. of the Supreme Court) is a crime.
 *
Misprision (i.e., incitement) of a felony is a crime.
*
Voting fraud is a crime.
 *
Obstruction of Justice is a crime."

I would humbly add: insider trading, bribery bought and sold with public funds only to further "catapult the propaganda," stealing a family's farm (Ranger's stadium,) and torturing any sentient being (starting with all those frogs he detonated as a kid,) to that list, but that's just me.

To say nothing of rumors of three of his biographers supposedly being suicided and possible complicity in all the LIHOP & MIHOP theories, firmly believed by so many.

So everyone's all excited about some officials and pundits finally uttering the so called "I" word. As if, Diebold and ES&S would ever allow a Dem majority in Congress to preside ever again.

Sorry for the cynicism but having observed three questionable elections and no federal legislation come the floor to fix HAVA and all the glaring security flaws "features" in the privately owned voting equipment, I much prefer the concept of a most deserved resignation and indictment of the entire "misadministration."

Call me a dreamer, but after all of this odious and obvious criminal behavior, * and his band of ethicless thieves, are truly worthy of nothing less.

If lying about a "third rate burglary" resulted in the resignation of a President, wouldn't lying about a casus belli resulting in countless deaths and destructiion, as well as this litany of overt violations of laws long establish, do so as well. . .?

/rant
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 08:55 AM
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1. It may be the "smoking gun" that blew the lock off the floodgate. nt
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 08:56 AM
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2. You wanna know why this is getting so much more mainstream notice?
It's easy for the average moron to figure out and to see how they themselves may have been impacted. It's that simple. As you so well pointed out, the crimes are legion and people with higher brain function know that. Those who have been fed a steady diet of Faux "News" and the current missing blonde etc. do not have enough evaluative faculties left to be able to parse out anything other than something dumb fucking obvious.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 09:02 AM
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3. Yup you're sadly right regarding
Edited on Thu Dec-29-05 09:04 AM by stellanoir
the collective self absorbed myopic stupidity of all too many.

It reminds me of that really cynical quotation that if memory serves, might have been from Cecil B DeMille (not sure and may be paraphrasing .)

"Never underestimate the gullibility of the American people."

Well I won't underestimate the belief that truth wins out over time either.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 10:12 AM
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4. Removing a country's leader is against int'l law (Sadam).
I would think impeding investigations into 9-11 should be a crime. Hiding evidence. Destroying evidence. And how about know there would be an anthrax attack and not telling congress. The WH was taking the anthrax protection drug 3 weeks before the anthrax attack on congress.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 10:23 AM
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5. wows FP
all excellent points. I had no clue about the proactive "anthrax protection" maneuvers of the WH.

Though I did think at the time that Daschle, Brokaw, and a tabloid were specifically targeted was really telling. The way they harrassed and ruined the career and credibilty of that Biological Weapons specialist, and so-o-o many others is a crime called lible isn't it?
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 01:01 PM
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6. Sounds good to me. Probably easier to find laws they didn't break.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 05:28 PM
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7. yup but maybe that might be
a far more onerous task after all. The bastards.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 06:33 PM
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8. I'm going to try an experiment. I bet you remember they day the
anthrax information came out.
Do you remember when the gov't released the information that they had arrested Padilla because he had been overseas training to do terrorists things in the US with a dirty bomb?
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:46 AM
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12. Well though I often can recall specific chronolgies,
that period of time is sort of a blurr. If memory serves though, those events were almost synchronous with one another.

I just remember typing my butt off at that to elucidate that "conflict does not occur in the absence of mutually shared culpability," and that "violence only begets more violence."

A lot of good that did. . .

Oh well.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:34 AM
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13. The information about the WH take the pills came out that morning.
I was waiting to see it on TV. The attorney general was in a meeting in Russia. He was called out of his meeting, given a microphone, and told the world about the dirty bomb plot of Padilla and how the FBI/CIA tracked him from Afghanistan (or where ever) and as soon as he got to the US he was arrested. Oh yeah, it happened a month before the announcement. The rest of the week the MSM talked about nothing but dirty bombs.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:30 AM
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14. Thanks for the specific chronology.
Edited on Fri Dec-30-05 11:32 AM by stellanoir
That reminds me of 11/03 when *'s chopper totally trashed the Queen's century old gardens outside Buckingham Palace with his obnoxious self importance and cowardess.

He rudely brought his whole entourage and his verrry own chefs to the Palace by which the Queen was reportedly also terribly miffed.

Hundreds of thousands of protesters took to the streets there back then. That's probably why he needed the dumb chopper in the first place. The chicken shit.

So before people were aware of how he so badly blew it in London, we got the totally tabloid week long distraction of" Whacko Jacko's" indictment and SUV stance, which drowned out any reports of *'s ignorant tackiness and insufferably wonton destructiveness.

Go figure.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 06:35 PM
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9. Even the wiretaps are much more than one crime.
They intercepted thousands of calls and the action was reauthorized 30 separate times. Did anyone else see "The Firm"? where they got Bendini Lambert and Locke on hundreds of counts of mail fraud?

Every violation of the FISA act is punishable by up to 5 years in the slammer and a 10K fine. Multiply that by the thousands of calls illegally intercepted.

Add on Federal conspiracy and obstruction of justice charges for good measure.

It may be that a good lawyer could make a RICO case out of this as well..

In short George may be out in 10,000 years give or take with good behavior.

www.brainshrub.com/president-wiretap

Doug De Clue
Orlando, FL
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1democracy Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:33 AM
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10. What if every person and organization that was illegally
listened to, brought charges against * and his govt for invasion of privacy? Then there could be a huge class action lawsuit for damages, against him personally and any other crony that went along with it.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:53 AM
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11. It's not about civil court..it's a felony...
Sue him AFTER we put him in jail. Works out better anyways because it will add weight to the civil suits.

Doug D.
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