I'm curious. What do you call...

[Writer]

a woman who supports legal abortion rights, yet believes that a woman should still consider other alternatives before considering an abortion?


a) A true blue, die-hard Democrat

b) A moderate, who has weighed both sides of this controversial issue

c) A sell-out - burn her!

d) None of the above - how dare we label someone!

[rogerashton]

1. logically consistent.

Here are two distinct propositions:

1) It ought to be the woman's own decision.

2) There are some moral or other guidelines she ought to consider in making it.

There is no contradiction here. The distinction is between advice and compulsion -- two very different things.

[blondeatlast]

62. Perfect; that would have been my response, too. nt

[CWebster]

90. And who are you to decide what the moral decision is? nt

[NMDemDist2]

2. what's up writer, got a new flamesuit you want to test out today? n/t

[Writer]

5. No.

On edit: Philosophically I'm curious about the responses. If flames occur I'm fairly resistant to them now. ;)

[NMDemDist2]

12. ROFL

that I certainly believe

If flames occur I'm fairly resistant to them now.

as for your OP, I think I'll come down on "B"

[jody]

3. “supports” and “believes” suggests a champion

of individual responsibility while harboring strong personal convictions.

IMO that includes many Democrats and some Republicans.

[Horse with no Name]

4. You just described me

FWIW.
Abortion shouldn't be the first option, ever, but it should never be taken off the table.
I'm not the thought police, I would just hope a woman--for her OWN mental health, not for any other reason--should consider every other option first.
After she considers what SHE feels HER options are, I'm totally in support of any course of action she takes.

[CWebster]

41. This offends me

women are not children incapable of making their own decisions without the suggestion that her mental health suffers as a result.

You are no feminist.

[SmokingJacket]

6. But don't you think women DO consider all the alternatives?

What does "should" have to do with anything? I can't imagine a woman facing an unplanned pregnancy and not thinking, well, maybe I can go through with it, maybe I should have it and then give it up....

If anyone believes women get pregnant and then gaily call up the abortionist for an appt between getting their nails done and buying a new pair of shoes, I'd say they've been listening to too many repub talking points.

As for your question, if she votes Democratic, I'd say she's a Democrat. I don't have a litmus test except the voting booth.

[Eloriel]

30. I'm with you. I find the very question offensive.

Maybe I'm just tired of men having big old mental discussions with themselves, and bringing them here, about what women SHOULD do. Maybe I think women can figure it the hell out for themselves.

There were times in my life that had I found myself pregnant, I'd have considered "alternatives to abortion" for less than 10 seconds total, and that would have been entirely appropriate.

Ultimately, another sexist post from this "writer."

[Crowdance]

7. IF she also supports health care for everybody, legislation

to equalize the pay of men and women, a national child care program, and believes that women should obtain equal rights and power in society, then she's a real Democrat.

[Glorfindel]

8. Sane and sensible...

making up her own mind about her own body. What could be more Democratic (both big and little d) than that?
:dem:

[etherealtruth]

9. My question ...

If she supports legal abortion rights, why would we even care about her personal reservations? If she puts her time and energy into other alternatives for pregnant women I don't see a problem.

I assume if she votes pro-choice she' not going to be a crazed protester...

[mike_c]

10. I wouldn't frame the alternatives like that at all....

Frankly, it looks to me like you're trying to manipulate the outcome so that (b) is the only good choice, but I'd be more inclined to choose (d), despite your attempt to make it unpalatable with the last bit.

Who in their right mind would not consider all of their alternatives-- all the ones they're aware of, at least-- in any such life changing situation? The broader question is whether any one of us has the right to judge a woman who chooses to dismiss some of those alternatives out of hand as not worth serious consideration in her circumstances. I even think the way you've framed the question is prejudicial-- why should a pregnant woman who does not want children consider "other alternatives" before an abortion? Why not consider all her alternatives-- including terminating the pregnancy-- simultaneously?

[Totally Committed]

11. Believes this for herself, or for all women?

If for herself, she is exercizing Choice.

But, I don't feel anyone should tell a woman, any woman, even another woman, what she should or should not believe about Choice. It is between a woman and her healthcare professional. Period.

What is it about a woman's body that seems to signal that everyone has a right to say what goes on in it? We'd never do that to men. Maybe it's because we are host for nine months to another life at times that people feel they can just opine away about what "should" be done at all times with women's bodies.

Everyone needs to just butt out and let a woman's body be her own, fercripessake!

[MaineDem]

13. Sorry but this makes no sense

From your text one cannot tell her political affiliation in the least.

As far as B and C go, I agree with previous posters that a woman who thinks like you described is a sane, intelligent, logical human being.

I don't understand what you're going for here.

[wyldwolf]

14. I have a couple of similar questions...

What do you call a man who...

...cut social spending to almost 0%?

...replaced his VP candidate at the last minute because he was too liberal?

...advocated welfare reform?

...appointed two Republicans to high level positions?

Damn, wyldwolf! I would answer "DINO!" What is the REAL answer?

Franklin D Roosevelt!

ok.. ok... here's another!

What do you call a man who...

Had ties to the incarcerated head of a notorious political machine?

Refused to attack powerful Republicans solely for political gain?

Would sign a law requiring a loyalty oath for govt employees?

Reeferred to a disgraced former GOP president as a good friend?

Now he is DEFINITELY a DINO! Who is that, Bill Clinton?

Nah! The answer is Harry Truman!

[Dissent Is Patriotic]

15. A woman who has beliefs about what

other women should do is not pro-choice. Pro- Choice means that she believes a woman has a right to make her own choice period. End of story. THERE ARE NO QUALIFICATIONS!

BTW this is NOT a dem/repub issue.

[Ravy]

18. I call bullshit.

If you limit the "pro-choicers" to those who support legal abortion rights, yet have absolutely no personal opinion of what a woman should do if faced with that that decision, you cut your support to maybe 5% of Americans (a guess).

Open your mind a bit to accept those who can have a personal opinion on the morality of abortion, but support whatever path a woman wants to choose.

This is too important of an issue to split pro-choicers into factions according to their personal opinions on what they would hope other women choose.

[Dissent Is Patriotic]

38. I beg to differ.

My mind is open, for those whose minds are not. In order for women to be free to make a decision, they must have unrestricted access. If 100 million different opinions were allowed to insert themselves into a woman's choice I shudder to think what restrictions might be placed on abortion. Real pro-choicers understand this.

[Ravy]

89. Well, if I think it is wrong to burn an American flag, but

would defend to the death your right to do it, would that eliminate me from being a free-speech proponent?

I respect your right to differ, but if some pollster marks everyone down as "not pro-choice" simply because they have an opinion on what women should do (even if getting an abortion is their opinion), then you will see the pro-choice numbers tumble. What do you think will happen politically if that is the case?

Pro-choicers have the numbers on their side. I don't believe it is the government's business, period. Please do not exclude me from your list of allies because I may have an opinion of what women should do if faced with *their* decision. We need the numbers.

[Stinky The Clown]

16. I would call such a person reasoned, reasonable, and intelligent

As has been said countless times, there's likely no woman who gets up one day and says "Oh boy! Today I fel like getting an abortion. Wanna come, hon? It'll be fun!"

It is traumatic at best, and can go all the way to devastating. Surely anyone who has an abortion considers options first.

Now .... I'm a man, so I can't be sure of how a woman would feel, except by having been beside a woman who had one. Many, many, many years ago .... right after they were made legal in some states. And long before Roe.

[Ravy]

17. A trick question, to be sure...

The question should end with supports legal abortion rights.

Whether they believe abortion is the killing of unborn babies, or if they would ever have one themselves but think it is fine for others, or whether they believe that abortion is simply a method of birth control.... the difference is if they would want to LEGISLATE their belief to tell other women what to do.

If you divide your question into two parts:

A. A woman who supports legal abortion rights

and

B. believes that a woman should still consider other alternatives before considering an abortion?

Part A gives her the right to be able to choose Part B for herself. It is a viable choice, too.

[Old_Fart]

19. A woman has a right to do what she wants to her own body

If that is how you believe and its for yourself then thats ok. All woman should be able to make their own choices about what they want to do no matter what it is.

[kahleefornia]

20. Depends

This hypothetical woman can believe all she wants about women considering alternatives before having an abortion. But the second she starts hanging out front at clinics and telling other women about it, she's no longer pro-choice.

I think people should only give opinions and suggestions like that if asked. No one likes to be told what to do or think - it's like some fundamentalist harassing you about how you could be so much happier if you just accepted Jesus into your heart. I'm always happier if those people would just leave me alone.

[deadparrot]

21. I just want women to EDUCATE themselves.

Learn about every option. I don't care what you pick, it's not my life or buisiness, but what's right for one woman isn't always right for another. They have to look at all of their options to find the path that will cause them the least harm.

[Zhade]

22. As long as she doesn't advocate changing abortion laws...

...I'd call her "a woman with her own opinion".

I'm fine with people who don't like abortions being Dems. The problem comes in only when they desire to change the law one iota to restrict a woman's right to control her own body.

At that point they become my political enemy. My sisters' rights are non-negotiable. Period.

But to have a differing opinion on abortions? They're more than welcome to have them. I'm not interested in regulating their opinions, just on keeping women's rights intact.

[_TJ_]

23. I'd just call her a woman

No woman would have an abortion without carefully considering her options.

The Christo-fascists say that allowing abortion means women
will have them at the drop of a hat - they're wrong!

[MsTryska]

42. ding ding ding......

this is exactly what i was thinking.

[noamnety]

24. None of the above (minus the outrage over labeling)

To echo others, I can't tell from this if she's red or blue, so A is out.
I don't know if she's moderate or not - does moderate mean you aren't a panty-sniffer? Who has she sold out to?

She sounds like a person who understands the seperation of church and state enough to acknowledge that she has opinions while understanding that others shouldn't be bound by them. (Unless "should still consider" is code for something else, like "should be coerced.")

[omega minimo]

26. Really don't wanna know

"I don't know if she's moderate or not - does moderate mean you aren't a panty-sniffer?"

:wtf: are you talking about?

[noamnety]

27. People that are obsessing over what's going on in my underwear

Like that moran guy a while back that wanted to make it a law that if you have a miscarriage you have to call the police and have them inspect it before you can dispose of it. As a number of people pointed out, fertilized eggs are flushed out all the time with women's periods, and if he couldn't define his terms better, we were going to start sending him used tampons for his inspection. He ended up dropping the bill.

I think of the extremists as those who feel the state has a compelling interest in inspecting my panties.

[welshTerrier2]

25. here's the problem with your question ...

first, let me answer your question ... my answer is NONE of the choices you provided ... i respect any position on abortion that allows a woman the freedom of choice ... anything less is abusive ... the woman in your example supports that view and i support her ...

but let's tell the truth about what's going on here ... let's take a look at Mr. Casey's position instead of your hypothetical ... i assume you agree that dealing with a real case is better ...

Casey would legally restrict a woman from having an abortion even if she got pregnant as a result of rape or incest ... does that sound moderate to you? i have no problems with labels ... that is a right-wing position on a fundamental civil liberty ... i think it's great that people believe abortion should be a last resort ... i'm OK with anyone having a preference about whether people have abortions or they don't ... what i'm not OK with is IMPOSING these views on anyone else or advocating laws that do ... that is not a moderate thing to do ... that is an abuse of civil liberties and should never be tolerated in the Democratic Party ...

such views are not "just one issue" ... they are abhorrent views and should never be tolerated even if that candidate has a good chance of winning ... call me a purist if you must, but there have to be lines that should never be crossed ...

[omega minimo]

28. What do you call....

a man who oversimplifies and trivializes what he doesn't understand.


This issue (decided by the Supreme Court 30+ years ago) is about basic rights to privacy, physical autonomy and reproductive health.

There are those men who want to parse all the arguments of justification, who claim that it is a woman's right to choose, yet STILL want to get inside the situation as if it were their choice, and condone legal rights based on what THEY would do, what THEY condone..... even so, they don't succeed at empathizing with the experience of a woman-- it ends up being invasively judgemental. No different in that regard than an anti-choice position.

It's really simple. It's not your choice.

Having the rights and having the choice does not imply that that is the decision that will be made.

How hard is that to understand?

[Eloriel]

32. Well said -- wonderful clarity

on the whole subject and even WHY this post is offensive to start with.

[omega minimo]

33. Clear enough to

clobber some cliches?

Thanks E.

[Guaranteed]

94. Unfortunately, we live in a judgmental world, where people's actions

have to be justified.

We are a society of laws, and as such you can't justify any old action just by saying "Shut up." It doesn't work like that. I wouldn't put up with that from a man beating his wife any more than I would from a woman who wants to terminate her pregnancy.

You CAN say, "This action is my RIGHT as part of my AUTONOMY over my body." You see, that's an actual reason- an actual JUSTIFICATION for the action, as opposed to argumentative, solipsistic bullshit that tries to deny that there are any moral implications at all to abortion.

[omega minimo]

96. Are you responding to the right post?

"Shut up"? "argumentative, solipsistic bullshit"?

Indeed, there are moral implications to abortion. People love to discuss their opinions about them.

Indeed, this is a society of laws. Those laws are not based on anecdotal opinions of moral implications.

There are those men who want to parse all the arguments of justification, who claim that it is a woman's right to choose, yet STILL want to get inside the situation as if it were their choice, and condone legal rights based on what THEY would do, what THEY condone..... even so, they don't succeed at empathizing with the experience of a woman-- it ends up being invasively judgemental. No different in that regard than an anti-choice position.

How hard is that to understand?

[omega minimo]

97. Wutzitoya?

"I wouldn't put up with that from a man beating his wife any more than I would from a woman who wants to terminate her pregnancy."

"--a man beating his wife" is a crime
"--a woman who wants to terminate her pregnancy" is not.

[Sparkly]

29. Depends on what she does with what she "believes."

The whole point is that our beliefs differ. If she gets pregnant, she can do whatever she believes. If someone asks her advice, or even if they don't, she's free to speak about what she believes.

The issue to me is this: Does she believe that HER beliefs should trump other people's beliefs? Does she believe that HER beliefs should become law? Does she believe the government should interfere with personal medical decisions?

[bvar22]

31. More "Centrist" propaganda.

Gosh, does this sound like a "PUSH POLL" to you?

I've got a great idea. Why don't we let a group of FAT, OLD, RICH, WHITE, MEN decide what women must do with their bodies.
Look at the glee on these men's faces!

RICH OLD WHITE MEN keeping Women in their Place!

[Vinca]

34. A person who can think for herself. nt

[xchrom]

35. it's her body and her mind.

we don't qualify her thinking when she decides to have children -- we obviously celebrate inept, underqualified people procreating -- it's no different with deciding to terminate.

it's her choice based on medical facts.

the quality of her reasoning is her business.

[Rose Siding]

36. A woman

Call her a woman.

[XemaSab]

37. e. a normal American

I'm in favor of abortion rights for my sisters, but it's still a sad thing.

I'd like to see women who are educated enough to consider other options before having unprotected or underprotected sex when they are in no position to have a child.

[CWebster]

40. In a perfect world

It is not.

[XemaSab]

57. My point exactly:

Many women aren't educated so they aren't able to make good family planning decisions.

[CWebster]

58. What an ignorant anti-woman remark.

[XemaSab]

63. Ooops...sorry if I offended

I edited it to be less of a blanket statement.

Amazing what the word "many" can do.

I had a friend who had an abortion when she was 15 because she had had unprotected sex just because she didn't know better. She was literally totally clueless about birth control. It was sad, but under the circumstances, abortion was the best option after she was already pregnant. But in a world where young women get better education about family planning, it wouldn't have happened in the first place.

BTW I am female.

[CWebster]

39. A sell out.

A woman's view.

It was a hardwon, hard fought battle. Quit contributing to the erosion of it by imparting it with any moral judgement.

[GreenPartyVoter]

43. Call her GreenPartyVoter, because that's my line of thought

[CWebster]

44. NOT.

It is offensive to women to suggest that they must be preached to about considering alternatives.

[GreenPartyVoter]

45. It doesn't say anything about preaching this to other women. It IS how

I feel personally about it.

[MaineDem]

46. I agree. Where does preaching enter in?

I think almost any woman would at least think about alternatives before deciding on an abortion. Hell, it may only be a fleeting thought of carrying it to term but still!

Bottom line...it's up to each woman to decide for herself. Options are there; she can make the choice.

[GreenPartyVoter]

48. Exactly. Women should have options. That includes the option to

not have an abortion if she doesn't want one, or to have one if she does.

[CWebster]

49. women have options

without the necessity of anyone telling them that they should.

[GreenPartyVoter]

50. When I go to the doctor and she determines that I have a problem

that needs addressing, she frequently gives me options on how to deal with it.

I don't consider that to be oppressive.

HOWEVER, if she got out a Bible and told me that if I chose option X I would surely go to Hell so therefore I need to chooses option Y, then I would feel oppressed.

There is a difference between being informed and being preached to.

I agree if a woman already has made up her mind to have an abortion, she shouldn't be preached out of the decision, but that is not the person I am thinking of in this case. I am thinking of girls and women who are pregnant and just aren't sure what they want to do.

Or do you advocate that all "uncertain" pregnancies should be terminated?

[CWebster]

51. It is a given

without the added suggestion that prior to making decisions women should consider alternatives --as if they don't.

How dare anyone think that woman must be reminded as if they were incapable. That is preaching and it serves to undermine choice by attaching an underlying moral pronouncement.

You want to fucking tell me about morality--the woman forced to carry and then branded a the welfare mother who drains the public purse, the woman butchered by backstreet quacks, the woman forced into early and unhappy marriages, girls giving birth in secret and disposing of the newborns, the condemnation of the culture for getting knocked up while boys are just being boys, lost opportunity, education, lost dreams. I've seen women who were forced to carry and give up the child called "whores" by antichoice male zealots. And what about women forced to give their children away?

Mistakes happen, it is an inperfect world, how DARE anyone suggest that a woman needs to be advised of alternatives. I advocate that women can decide for themselves what is uncertain.

[GreenPartyVoter]

54. What if the "woman " is a 15 year old girl? Does she already have

all the information in front of her?

You and I aren't actually all that far apart on our positions, but you are screaming at me as though I am the RW fundy standing in front of the clinic with a bucket of red paint in my hands.

Get back to me when you remember who the real enemies to our uteruses are.

[CWebster]

55. The wealthy fifteen year old girl doesn't have to worry, does she?

The problem is you young women take this right for granted--it was a long, hard fight in this country. Other countries wonder why we waste our time--and that includes Catholic countries.

[GreenPartyVoter]

56. I don't take it for granted at all. My mother made sure

I knew what it was like before. Coat hangers, pills, throwing yourself down the stairs....

I am in no way in favor of overturning R v W or having my belly legislated, and my original post in this thread says nothing to that effect.

[CWebster]

47. Yes it does

it has a disclaimor on it: "thinks that women should consider..."

That attaches a judgement and suggests that women are incapanble of making their own personal decisions--like they are children.

Disgusting.

[AlienGirl]

52. But as long as she doesn't want her personal opinion made law,

what's the diff?

Reasonable people have personal opinions about other people's decisions all the time, on everything from wearing bright blue eyeshadow ("That looks awful!") to chewing tobacco ("That's bad for him!") to eating a bacon-double cheeseburger ("Factory farming is awful!").

We even have the right to tell people that we think their eyeshadow is tacky, their "dip" is carcinogenic, or their meat comes from miserable animals. And they have the right to tell us to mind our own business. As long as nobody's proposing outlawing blue eyeshadow. tobacco products, or meat, it's completely a personal matter--as is a pro-choice person's opinion that women should consider options other than abortion.

Tucker

[CWebster]

53. Problem is they want to impose their morality

If you don't want an abortion, don't, but don't intefere with another's right to make the decision privately without "advisors" imposing their "suggestions".

[rman]

61. Much unlike the RW, you mean?

How can a suggestion even be "imposed"?

[CWebster]

66. Yes the RW suggests the same

women are incapable of making advised decisions on their own.

The mere suggestion underlines an attitude of telling women what they SHOULD do.

[rman]

73. "suggesting" does not imply that women are incapable

of making advised decisions on their own.

Nowhere does the pro-choice crowd say that either abortion or any of the alternatives should be mandatory, much unlike what the RW is now doing.

What you call "preaching" and "imposing morality" is actually "advising".
Pro-choice implies the exact opposite of "women are incapable of making advised decisions on their own"; namely that upon being advised, women can in fact decide (or "choose") on their own.

The RW neither wants to advice about alternatives nor for women to have a choice.

[CWebster]

78. Women can decide without being "advised"

Thank you very much.

[rman]

81. Then how can they make an advised decision?

[CWebster]

84. What is the point of

"women should seek alternatives" if their choice is their own. If they want an abortion as opposed to not having an abortion, that is none of your business, Mr.

[rman]

88. You don't want women to make an advised decision

(since you don't want them to be advised).

Yet you accuse both the LW and the RW of thinking that "women are incapable of making advised decisions on their own."

In effect you're saying that women can be advised without being advised.

[fudge stripe cookays]

100. Geez. Sanctimonious much?

I myself have been in this position TWICE, and "considered all my options" before choosing the one that worked for me. Each time.

There's no jugement involved. I advocate the same thing for any young woman in the same position. That they "consider their options." You don't make any decision without some serious thought first.

You're getting entirely too wrapped up in the wording. We are on the same side.

[rman]

59. Nowhere does it say anything about "preaching"

The original statement is "..believes that a woman should still consider.."

It's quite a spin to call that "preaching".
Where the heck do you get those kind of frames?

[CWebster]

60. believes that a woman should consider

who is anyone to assume to even suggest what a woman should do when it comes to HER OWN personal decisions and her right to make them.

[rman]

64. What in heaven's name is wrong with "suggesting"?

Do you consider sexual education also to be "preaching" or "imposing morality"?

[CWebster]

67. Should do be the operative suggestion.

Women should have access to abortion on the condition that they be forced to consider alternatives.

This was one of the first strategies to undermine Roe--as if women were poor, ignorant and helpless second class citizens who had to be coached to consider alternatives to satisfy someone else's perception of Choice.

[rman]

76. "forced to consider alternatives"

does not mean forced to go with any particular 'solution' - much unlike what the RW does.

[Guaranteed]

68. For that matter, what's wrong with "believing?" nt

[CWebster]

71. believe what you want

Just don't expect me to care.

[MaineDem]

77. I believe you may have read too much into the initial post

It read "...a woman who supports legal abortion rights, yet believes that a woman should still consider other alternatives before considering an abortion?"

Nowhere did it say anything about legislating alternatives or forcing alternatives or even discussing alternatives. It was this one hypothetical woman believing that alternatives should be considered.

I believe a lot of things but that deosn't make then law.

This woman being considered in the original post supports LEGAL abortion rights. Many people support abortion rights and believe abortions should be rare. Why is that any different?

By the way, are you male or female?

[CWebster]

80. I believe you didn't see enough.

That is the problem.

A woman does NOT HAVE TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES. The choice--and look at that, the CHOICE is hers.

[Guaranteed]

86. It's hard to call it a "choice" if she doesn't consider alternatives,

though.

Seems to me that this idea of "choice" that you're pushing upon women is forcing them to consider options OTHER than abortion. That's wrong.

Or, I could just be grandstanding. Maybe the OP is saying exactly the same thing as you.

[MaineDem]

87. Nothing in the post said women HAVE to consider anything

That's my point. Legal abortion. The choice is hers, I totally agree. Forcing alternatives - or forcing considerations - was not ever mentioned. Simply a woman's belief.

I agree with you, if I understand your objection, that a woman should not be forced into conisdering alternatives. If a woman wants an abortion there should be no strings attached.

But I don't think that's what the initial post said.

[Guaranteed]

65. Broad-minded and intelligent.

Smart people consider all options before acting.

[CWebster]

69. However, when it comes to women's personal health and life

decisions. It isn't your option to weigh.

[Guaranteed]

70. People have the right to their beliefs.

This woman believes that women should weigh all options before having an abortion. Not only is it her right to believe that, it's a perfectly respectable one.

[CWebster]

72. It is offensive to all women to suggest that they don't

Now, what do you think. Women get pregnant deliberately just so they can have an abortion?

[Guaranteed]

75. Nobody suggested that they don't.

You're twisting her belief.

That's like saying it's offensive to me when people say it's wrong to kill other people. Like I don't KNOW that already??

In any case, what you're saying is that women SHOULDN'T believe that women should consider all options before having an abortion. What the hell is that? That's offensive.

[CWebster]

83. To bad

It is a choice for each women without the suggestion that she is incapable of making the decision for herself.

[Guaranteed]

85. You're trying really, really hard to be offended, here.

Nobody said anything near the idea that women are incapable of making any decision.

In fact, what the OP says is just the opposite.

[CWebster]

91. I'm not trying hard at all

No one tells me what I should do when it comes to my own personal decision. That is my right.

You don't tell me what moral guidelines I should be considering because it is none of your business. If I want advice, I'll get it.

[Guaranteed]

92. And nobody is.

So there you have it. A totally reasonable position in the OP twisted into an anti-abortion position.

[Love Bug]

74. e) Arrogant. What women in that position DOESN'T consider those things?

[rman]

79. Someone might not be familiar with all the options

What's so arrogant about suggesting or advising?

I don't know about you, but i started out knowing nothing about reproduction. I'm glad that instead of being left entirely to my own devices, i got some advice and suggestions. I've never found anything arrogant about it when i got advice or a suggestion.

[Love Bug]

93. It's arrogant because advice should be requested, not forced

That discussion is between the pregnant woman and her medical provider. It's presumptious for anyone else to insist the pregnant women consider her other options. It's none of our business.

[blondeatlast]

82. I call her "me." I'm also known as mom, Mrs., and various other names. nt

[geek tragedy]

95. That describes every single pro-choice woman.

I highly doubt there's any woman out there who thinks a pregnant woman should automatically choose abortion without considering alternatives.

Straw woman.

[Susang]

98. A busybody

What business is it of hers what options a woman examines before considering abortion? Not her body, not her morals, not her fetus, not her decision.

[Fenris]

101. Well put, Sue.

[In_The_Wind]

99. None of the above - how dare we label someone!

What a woman decides to do with her body is her own choice ~ take away her her right to choose and you've taken away her freedom.

I support legal abortion rights!

[El Fuego]

102. A meddling busybody bitch who should mind her own business.

Thinking of someone I know...

[AuntPatsy]

103. It is no one's business but the woman having to make such a choice...