Contact your US Representative - IMPEACH BUSH

[Sapphire Blue]

Please contact your US Representative and demand the impeachment of the Bush Administration.

http://www.house.gov/

or call 1-877-SOB-U-SOB (toll free)

[leetrisck]

1. Tom Delay is the only representative any of us have

Democrat or Republican - Delay controls all and that's why the Republicans (behind to scenes) are trying to take him out.

[calimary]

3. Doesn't matter. Call 'em ANYWAY.

They need to hear this.

Some of them (hopefully more than some) will be in some rather scary election races next year, especially if the public continues to be pissed at Congress. They need to know the barbarians are at THEIR gates, and maybe it's time for THEM to try a Neville Chamberlain. For at least some of them, wooing US over will make the difference between winning and losing.

They need to know ANYWAY. I don't care if they laugh in your face. Maybe they will laugh in your face. But what if 20 or 30 other people call, saying the same thing? By the 20th or 28th or 29th or 30th person, they will NOT be laughing anymore. They'll be starting to get worried.

And that is EXACTLY where we want them. We WANT them nervous and edgy and uncertain and afraid to just blindly follow tom delay and holler "how high?" whenever he says "jump." They'll start wondering if perhaps the thing to do is to start distancing themselves from him and his bidding. They're whores. Every last one of them. They live and die by YOUR bidding. And nobody wants to hitch his wagon to a cement block.

That's why resisting john bolton and breaking the filibuster and other biddings and orders from the White House MUST be continued. We need to take the luster of invincibility OFF these people. People cow before tom delay because they THINK he's invincible. It's all in the carefully-crafted and manipulated PERCEPTION. But with the news coming out about him and the questions starting to surface (and they're not just isolated questions once every blue moon anymore, some of them have weight and substance - too many to ignore or excuse away anymore) are robbing him of his luster. He's NOT looking so invincible anymore. And as it continues, he will not only look less invincible, he'll start looking like poison - that you don't want to be around and don't want your name and your job security attached to anymore. THAT'S what we need to encourage and exploit. SAME THING applies to frist if, hopefully, he loses the filibuster power-grab. He'll be transformed into damaged goods, and his chances of being the republi-CON standard-bearer in 2008 will be LOST. Loser stench. Once they get a whiff of it, they don't want to be anywhere near it.

[calimary]

6. It's happening already.

Check out this thread. Their panties are already starting to bunch up...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1415339

Once these nellies start getting nervous - BEAR DOWN. HARD!!!

[calimary]

15. It's happening already, PART TWO:

Check this one out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1739807

Even the dreaded rupert's New York Post can't help but notice. And Terri Schiavo's legacy may be much more far-reaching than anyone around her could have dreamed (and undoubtedly not in the direction most of 'em hoped, either!).

[NVMojo]

16. she just may end up being the angel who saved this country ...

because the whack jobs used her and abused her name.

[calimary]

18. It's happening already, PART THREE: In the White House this time...

So says this Washington Post story anyway. Consider:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1415983

I'm tellin' ya, guys, NOW IS THE TIME. NOW IS OUR TIME.

[babsbunny]

37. My Representative

Is Deborah Pryce. She is evil. But I will do it anyway!

[Sapphire Blue]

8. With luck, DeLay's throne will crumble.

In any case, please don't be a defeatist. Contact your Rep... call, email, write a letter, or simply send a post card with the words "IMPEACH BUSH"... and encourage others to do the same.

[leetrisck]

11. Not being defeatist at all - impeachment

would be the greatest thing that ever happened - only I also want bush in jail along with delay.

[Sapphire Blue]

12. Here's to them all serving out their terms

... life, that is... in prison.
:toast:

[NVMojo]

17. & I want Cheney and Rumsfeld in jail too and Rove.

[buff2]

2. Yeah,right.....

The only Representive in my area is a repuke,Rob Portman who BTW is one of the idiot's recent cabinet appointee. These morons run everything,and every single time I need to send a message all I have to send to is repukes. Senator Dewine (repuke) Senator Voinovich (repuke) Rob Portman (repuke). I'm sure those rightwing fanatics are going to listen to ME. :sarcasm:

[calimary]

4. Doesn't matter. Call 'em ANYWAY.

Just do it. See my other post, #3, just above.

[havocmom]

5. Looking at the line to take the job if bush* is removed, things do not get

any better! And the term 'snowball's chance in hell' comes to mind regarding any impeachment any time soon.

Better to make damn sure the 06 elections are on the up and up so we can change the compostion of the House and Senate. THEN you might get somewhere. Worrying about impeachment now is pointless.

Dick Cheney? Not a good plan. Hastert? So what would that do? Go on down the line and you are not gonna find a decent human being for a LONG time.

Concentrate on honest elections and promoting candidates who remember that they are supposed to represent people and not corporations. Until that is done, all else is pissin in the wind.

[calimary]

7. Doesn't matter. Do it ANYWAY. cheney's even less "popular" than bush.

And hastert? Not great, especially if we're smart enough to shackle him to this rEPUBLI-CON Congress that the polls are showing to be so increasingly unpopular. Besides... say we do get bush somehow. And cheney's up. Perhaps you're too young to remember the Nixon era. I'm not. EVERYONE on that other side of the aisle was so completely shocked and stunned and demoralized that I'm surprised some of them didn't publicly slit their wrists. They're SO arrogant and SO king-of-the-world that when their head finally gets knocked off, they'll be completely gobsmacked. It couldn't POSSIBLY have happened to them. And they'll be a mess. And in the next election cycle, the momentum will be ours, and no one with half a brain will even want to identify themselves as being republi-CON. (At that time it'll be important to slam-dunk it with a 2008 candidate, and keep them from regrouping with some new hero like they did against Carter with Ronnie Ray-gun in 1980.)

tom delay was their golden boy. And look how people are starting to get edgy about him, and beginning to have their doubts? This kind of thing is contagious. He's tarnishing fast. He knows it, and EVERYBODY ON THE HILL KNOWS IT.

[meow2u3]

14. I say impeach Cheney first

And don't let anyone tell you differently: Cheney is the power behind the office. For instance, Cheney ghostwrites all those satanic energy policies, which serve for nothing but his own personal gain!
Cheney is Edgar Bergen to Bush's Charlie McCarthy, or for an updated version, he' Rupert Murdoch to Bush's Fox News.

[NVMojo]

19. Right on, Calimary!!!

[Sapphire Blue]

10. Demand impeachment of the whole Fascist Thug Administration.

Pissin in the wind is a lot better than getting shit upon.

[havocmom]

13. And working for honest elections with good DEMS running is a really

postitive step. Why waste time on something that just isn't gonna happen?

[NVMojo]

20. girlfriend, you gotta do everything!! Not just one thing!

We gotta hit them from all sides!!! So do it anyway. So quit being a stick in the mud and quit trying to filibuster this thread and its effort. If you aren't going to do it, go to another thread and start one about doing things your way.

[havocmom]

21. I don't do 'just one thing" and I am not your girlfriend. Just how do you

plan to convince a GOP controlled congress, bought and paid for by corporates lobbiest, to impeach a GOP president? And just how are you planning to get rid of all the GOP bots in the line of succession?

Yell all you want but I will be working on efforts that have some chance of succeeding. I am old enough to know one picks their fights with some care. Spinning wheels in quicksand is an exercise I have no time for.

Clean elections is job one. Until that is done, there is no point in throwing your heart at the hope that a crooked congress will remove a long line of crooks.

How the hell are you gonna get them to impeach every member of the cabinet and all the GOP memebers of the Senate and House? Cuz, girlfriend that is what it would take for us to impeach our way into power. It aint gonna happen that way. Why waste the enregy when there is reality to work on?

Impeach! Yeah, your congress critters will be pissing their pants laughing at all your letters on that subject. They aren't gonna do it.

[feelthebreeze]

23. I am your girlfriend...calimary!

[calimary]

30. You and NVMojo are BOTH correct, BOTH have valid points.

UTTERLY AND ABSOLUTELY working for clean elections is HUGELY important. That applies across the board. We don't have democracy without them.

I would certainly LOVE to see all the bad guys removed, as they richly deserve, but we do have to pick and choose. It means we have to work, as people in our own congressional districts, and in statewide elections. Congress comes up for renewal every two years. That means they are purge-able every two years. That's up to the folks in each district. In the case of a tom delay, it's up to many more of us OUTSIDE that Sugarland district, contributing what we can in campaign donations (so Richard Morrison or some other designated opponent can buy ad time, hire staffers and strategists, send out mailings, phone people, make appearances, and keep his light bills paid while he's trying to take tom down. The people of Sugarland (and I'm using them merely as an example - there are people in these offenders' districts throughout the country) have needed more than the usual convincing. Often it DOESN'T work immediately. Morrison failed in November. BUT: delay had to come back to his district for a change and actually campaign there. It was no longer safe enough to allow him to phone it in again. That was last time. Next time perhaps he'll find it that much more difficult. Maybe by then, the crap piling up around him will finally bury him completely. Maybe not. But I'd be willing to bet that if Morrison or somebody else doesn't clinch it next year and delay's not out, he'll be CLOSER TO BEING OUT than EVER before. Which means he's damaged goods, he may be a little bit more chastened (maybe not) but he'll arrive back in Washington rather bruised and battered - and people will be talking about that. OR - he may actually be defeated this next time. THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN, HOWEVER, UNLESS WE WORK HARD.

Efforts like that described above should be made ALL OVER THE COUNTRY - to defeat republi-CONS and to defend and preserve Democrats. Some are shoo-ins, like mine (Henry Waxman) but others may be on thin ice and could use a little buttressing. THAT'S WHERE WE COME IN. Then, in effect, we WILL have a wholesale "impeachment."

I think that because of the Schiavo debacle, the jam-THEIR-religion-down-your-throat-and-up-your-ass crap we're drowning in just now, the filibuster challenge that even a lot of conservatives can't stomach, and the bullshit job bushie is trying to pull in his attempts to ransack Social Security. ALL those issues are OURS. The polls on ALL those issues are OURS. The American people on ALL those issues are OURS. The numbers tell the tale. EVEN THE GOP'S OWN INTERNAL POLLING - which they're not exactly breaking all land speed records to release to the public - show the republi-CONS are on the losing end and WE ARE NOT.

And, havocmom, keep something else in mind: your caution is MOST reasonable. But there is impeachment and there is impeachment. Just as there are MANY MANY kinds of currency. Consider: when you wish to contribute to a campaign, there are MANY ways to contribute. You can, of course, contribute in the most obvious way - with money. But you can also contribute your time. Your ideas. Your arms and legs - walking precincts, stuffing and mailing envelopes and (wo)manning phones. You can write letters to the editor. You can host a house party so OTHERS can get educated about your candidate contribute. You can stick campaign stickers on every stop sign and switcher box in your neighborhood as you're out walking the dog. You can talk to people. Etc. Etc. ALL those are kinds of currency.

Encouraging voters in other districts to do the smart thing and overthrow their assholes IS, in effect, a form of impeachment. Their asses are OUTTA there, they're covered in loser stench, and they're the ones suffering demoralization and lost ground.

There is A LOT to be said for loser stench and demoralization and lost ground. Look at the impact those dreadful elements have had on us Democrats since bush stole it from Gore? And look how the bad guys capitalized on it. Look how many different kinds of currency they used in order to do that to us. It was everywhere, on every front, from every direction, large and small, national and local. They had infrastructure, they had everything. Which they began building from little bitty pieces a long time ago after the last times when THEY were demoralized: after Barry Goldwater got completely obliterated in 1964, and after Nixon and Watergate in 1974 - and Ford's having to pay the final due bill to Jimmy Carter in 1976. WE are now in the ground-gaining phase in, say, 1965-66-87, or maybe 1978-79, that they were then. WE CAN DO THE SAME THING. Especially since the campaign, fundraising, outreach, and activism mechanisms it took them decades to build - WE did in about 18 months via the internet.

Check my earlier post (unless I've bored you to death by now - I DO tend to yammer on) - about how YES THEY MAY INDEED BE LAUGHING AT YOU and your silly little impeachment letters. YES, they may be doing that NOW. But the momentum is NOT on their side anymore. I think because of Schiavo and the professional religiosos and the filibuster and the crazed, drunken overreaching and shameless power-grabbing, the tipping point may have been reached. Hopefully we can REALLY clinch it by defeating john bolton. The SYMBOLISM and PERCEPTION that will issue forth from THAT victory for our guys will be STAGGERING, and reap dividends you can't even imagine. You wanna talk loser stench? Wait til a few of these big-ticket losses start to add up. As the little bitty snappers start snapping around tom delay's heels. Until there are too many of them for him to kick away. They may well be laughing now. But at this very moment, that laughter is becoming nervous laughter. They don't feel themselves on sound footing anymore. Check those other links above.

Remember this, too, havocmom, and everyone else who's kindly letting me bore you yet again - REMEMBER the "Jurassic Park" movie where there were these little bitty dinosaurs in the jungle (I think it was the second JP movie) - one of which spooked a little girl. A couple more joined in, and she screamed and I think she either ran to safety or her parents came and got her. Cut to a later scene. Big, blustery, semi-unsympathetic tough-guy character who, as I recall, was being kind of a pain in the ass to the other characters. He's in the jungle. Sees one of those little bitty dinosaurs. Sneers at it for the obvious reasons. It hisses or something and he laughs at it, kicks at it, and it scurries away. He harrumphs at his superiority and victory and sneers again, and goes back to whatever he was doing. But here comes the little bitty dinosaur again. Same exchange. Again, the big sneering guy chalks up another cocky victory. But then, here comes that little bitty dinosaur a third time. This time, he's brought a couple of friends. The big blustery guy is annoyed, a little non-plussed, but not terribly concerned. He shoos them away and starts walking again (I think I recall that he got lost in the underbrush). But this time, they don't scurry away very far. They're still fairly close by. They advance again. This time there are a few more of them. And he shoos them away once again, but they don't scatter that much this time. Then there are a few more of them. Now he realizes this isn't fun anymore, and he really doesn't have the upper hand as he did before. He starts to run. They follow, matching his speed. He's not familiar with the turf and stumbles on a fallen tree. They keep coming. He tries to get up and suddenly they're ON HIM. And it's not just them at this point - it's dozens more. And soon, there's nothing left of him. He's dinner.

WE are those little bitty dinosaurs. And THEY are the big, obnoxious, overly cocky tough-guy. Eventually WE are the ones who will prevail. delay's already approaching the stumbling point at the fallen tree, in fact.

And one more thing, havocmom - Nixon did resign. After the elders IN HIS OWN PARTY convinced him to do so. It was THEIR change-of-heart that did it. The Democrats back then wouldn't have been enough. And THEY reached that change-of-heart because the momentum against him grew TOO large, fast, and unbeatable. The MOMENTUM was against them, AND THE PERCEPTION also was against them. And the media piled on, too, at that point. (Even in this day and age, if there's chum in teh water, eventually, there WILL be sharks. LOTS of them. And they'll be hungry.) With Nixon, it started as a little ripple or two and kept growing and kept growing and kept growing over the days, weeks, and months. It finally became a tidal wave they could no longer outrun.

DON'T lose heart. AND DON'T GIVE UP. The bad guys will survive, and thrive, ONLY if you do.

on edit - SHIT this is long. I'm sorry!!! But I had a LOT I wanted to share on this subject and it seemed important... at least at the moment. Begging your indulgence...

[Sapphire Blue]

24. I agree...working for honest elections w/good DEMS running is definitely

a positive & extremely important step. BUT when you have a few free minutes, please pick up the phone, dial 1-800-SOB-U-SOB and give them some hell.

Remember the Clinton years? The RW Thugs initiated impeachment proceedings against Clinton because he lied about his damn sex life. They made his life a living hell because he unzipped his pants. The current WH Resident Fascist Thug-In-Chief lied to the world about Saddam Hussein & Iraq being connected to al Qaeda & 9/11. Tens of thousands are dead today because of his lies. Soldiers, civilians, whole families... gone, because of his lies. Thousands with devastating injuries.

Bonzo Junior may have never done as good a job on anything in his life as the snow job he did on this country & the world in regard to Iraq & Saddam Hussein... he still has millions of his devotees convinced that there was a connection. They could have a friggin' divine revelation that Junior is a liar, but they would swear that it was the devil himself after their very souls... they will not betray their Leader.

Whatever any attempt to impeach of this criminal administration may result in, even if it's only to make your Rep's staff take the time to reply to you, or add a gray hair to your Rep's head, just give them as much hell as you can.


And yes, let's definitely work on the elections... get those bastards out starting in '06.

Please make your call... for this precious child.

[havocmom]

25. Trust me, Rehberg, Burns and even Baucus don't give a damn how often I

call, write and email. They just aren't gonna do anything constructive. They aren't gonna discuss it. They will not acknowledge the elephant in the room.

No matter what I communicate with them about, NONE of them respond to my concerns. Sad to say, the only on topic responses I ever get is when I write to John McCain, even though I no longer live in AZ and say as much. At least I get a response on the subject at hand.

But impeachment? They are not going there cuz they are bought, paid for, threatend by and in debted to the neocon money men. It's a GOP Congress and they are not gonna do what you tell them to. Sorry but that is the cold hard fact.

Efforts are better directed at something that IS possible.

[Sapphire Blue]

27. In the words of Rev. King... "A time comes when silence is betrayal."

[havocmom]

39. I am NOT silent. Just not yelling IMPEACH cuz that is POINTLESS

Face it, you are NOT getting me to waste time on a hopeless venture

Peace & do something constructive

[Sapphire Blue]

49. No need to yell... whispering campaigns can be very effective.

I'm sorry you see this as a waste of time on a hopeless venture. We differ on this point, though I applaud & join in your efforts regarding honest elections and promoting candidates who remember that they are supposed to represent people and not corporations.


An interesting excerpt from 'The Politics Of Bullying' by Paul Rogat Loeb, August 20, 2004...

The United States is an experiment, one whose outcome can be in doubt on any given day. But when our leaders embrace the ethics of Don Corleone, they undermine the very terms of our democracy. Go back to Richard Nixon’s “Southern strategy,” where he deliberately used racially polarizing language and images to lure white southerners into the Republican Party. Or the Willie Horton ads overseen by Karl Rove’s mentor, Lee Atwater. Or the Iran-Contra scandal, when the first President Bush and key members of the current president’s administration, then working for Reagan, crafted and enacted secret foreign policies that defied the will of Congress—while collaborating with dictators and terrorists. Or the illegitimate purging, in the 2000 election, of 94,000 largely poor and minority voters from the Florida rolls. Recently, the same five Supreme Court justices who installed Bush prevailed by a single vote in upholding Tom DeLay’s midnight redistricting in Texas and Pennsylvania—where Republicans broke all conventional rules about redistricting only after a census, and instead gerrymandered as many Congressional seats as they could, just because they held the reins of power.

Whatever our party identifications or stands on particular issues—which, of course, will vary—we should be profoundly troubled by these developments. Since the United States was founded, neither major political party has exercised a monopoly on deceit, venality or political abuse. Dead people voted in Chicago. Lyndon Johnson closed an air base in a Congressional district that dared to vote against him. No administration since the World War I Palmer Raids, however, has so systematically attempted to silence its critics.

But just as a culture of silence is contagious, so is one of courage. And citizens are beginning to stand up and question—from Republican conservationists questioning Bush’s environmental policies, to career foreign service officers decrying the rift our unilateral actions are creating between us and the world, to cities across America challenging the USA PATRIOT Act.

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/the_politics_of_bullying.php?dateid=20050423

[calimary]

26. Well, I'm the first to say they ALL really have to go, but I think if

we were to go straight to the top, that alone would be the single most debilitating, jolting, shocking, near paralyzing political kerosene enema the republi-CON party has collectively ever been given. They whine and mewl and whimper about what was "done" to Nixon - I'd love to hear what would happen in this case.

Furthermore, I wouldn't spend all my political capital on cheney - if bush were to be toppled and we were left with cheney - YEEEGODS - cheney's public persona is even more horrible than bush's is. bush is the fun, good ol' boy, nice-guy, I'm-just-like-you, let's-go-have-a-beer face of the two-headed beast. cheney, on the other hand, is the snarling, growling, no-fun, nobody-really-likes-or-can-relate-to type. They ALL think they wanna go have a beer with the First Dry Drunk - funny that this should be what people think of him - as a purported recovering alcoholic - WHO HAS NO BUSINESS GOING OUT AND HAVING A BEER WITH ANYBODY, FOR ANY REASON, AT ANY TIME. But cheney makes people want to run screaming into the night. People would wake up as though from a bad hangover if they realized the Hangman of Halliburton was overtly running things. It means all the bad guys' nuts 'n bolts would be out in the sunshine for everyone to see. The beauty of cheney, for the bad guys, is his unseen manipulator status. Once that's exposed, they're in deep doo-doo. He's no "warm-fuzzy" like too many numbskulls believe bush to be, and he wouldn't be able to work the same "magic" on 'em, either. While bush can be perceived, at least by some, as being warm and friendly and "one of us," cheney's as cold as a glacier.

Alone at the top, exposed to the bare air and sunlight, with no cover, and increasingly and OVERTLY unpopular rather than being able to comfortably slither from shadow to shadow where nobody's looking when he does stuff, cheney would suffer out the last days of the second term in the most abject misery of his life (OH GOODIE!!!!) - having to be on the public platform all the time - a place he DESPISES. He likes to operate in the darkness. In fact, he thrives on it. He'd blow it over and over in his public appearances, he wouldn't have time to learn the game, and he would be too unappealing to put up as a truly viable candidate (by all those who are truly not self-deluded). His unpopularity would be toxic to anything he touched. His party wouldn't get anything done, he'd be heckled and hounded every agonizing step of the way, and mired in bad publicity from one end of the day to the other end.

THAT, in turn, would leave the republi-CONS utterly dead in the water for the next presidential election cycle, since the worst blight since Biblical leprosy will stick to them like suction cups filled with tar. They'd be set back, power-wise, for maybe a generation. cheney would be disastrous for the bad guys, and a delicious - and EXTRAORDINARILY just - dessert for us.

I still say - go all the way to the top. Don't settle for the underlings and the murky shadow people and the unseen evil schemers. Go for the highest high chair. The fall is a LOT more painful from there.

[Sapphire Blue]

28. The image of Cheney "in the most abject misery of his life" - breathtaking

Great post... I agree with everything you said.:toast:

[Sapphire Blue]

9. There's nothing to listen to if people don't speak out.

Please speak out. Call those RW fanatics and demand that your voice be heard.

[feelthebreeze]

22. I applaud action...

Do you think any of the great movements of our country were founded upon the idea of: "why bother... they won't listen anyway". Hell no! I came here for solidarity and answers and motivation to fight. I am your sister, your brother, your ally and I won't stop taking action on all sides. We are right and they are goin' down, as long as you take action. Let's get em'

[Name removed]

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[calimary]

31. Soooo... you'd rather sit back...

...and do nothing...

...and admit defeat without even trying to start the game...

NAAAAAH... I bet you've got a little more fire and stubbornness in you than that.

Welcome to DU. Mighty glad you're here. We NEED you. Now get to work. Your giving up will only help the bad guys, not us.

:)

[feelthebreeze]

32. it is a sad day in democracy when you use the terms harass...

in describing a correct and patriotic thing to do. It is there job and responsibility to listen to constituency. Why bother to try, just give up. Nope, not me. If the drug I am taking is called hope and answer then let me overdose.

[Sapphire Blue]

33. 17 reasons... and counting

1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law;
carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting
in the death and maiming of tens of thousands of Iraqis, and hundreds of U.S. G.I.s.

2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.

3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and
locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.

4) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its
government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.

4) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret
and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of
prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and
individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents
elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments
to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

5) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign
governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media
and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public
discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain
weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to
U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.

6) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a
part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an
attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and
threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United
Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting
treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy
any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the
exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.

7) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering
indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without
opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the
discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."

8) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without
charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.

9) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of
detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a
detainee is wrongfully held by the government.

10) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens
who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official,
prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.

11) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have
been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in
response to Congressional inquiry.

12) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right
to public trials.

13) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the
government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not
been charged with a crime.

14) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to
hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary
designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."

15) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by
federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and
political activity.

16) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional
right of legislative oversight of executive functions.

17) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of
the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without
consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the
United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome
which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court.

[Charon]

51. Impeachement

All you have to do is prove that any of these meet the Constitutional requirement of High Crimes or Treason.

[LatePeriduct]

35. Quote:

"the Democrats don't have anywhere near the votes to impeach, much less convict and remove Bush or anyone else in the administration.

They may not at all, but that doesn't mean its needed. This is about freedom as a whole, and the republicans who keep on defecting are waking up.

They all of them, may not think this is such a great future anymore

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/CNPMeetsBeforeGOPConventionKirkpatrick.html

That's the piece of power you have to play too, the democrats can't do it. But the bi-partisan democrats and republicans who have had enough can do it and lay down the gauntlet, taking the phony fascist cult to its end.

[earth mom]

38. How is it considered harassment by asking congress to do their

f-in JOBS?! They work for "US"-remember?! Those in congress have a sworn duty to address any bit of impropriety-aka crimes and misdemeanors-committed by * & Co.

Of which there have been many-NO question about that!

p.s. This is an excellent thread BTW! :)

[Sapphire Blue]

42. Yes, they do work for us and we pay their generous salaries, provide for

... their generous benefits packages, while millions of Americans are without health care. Yet some would treat these arrogant employees as unapproachable royalty. If we don't bring them back to earth, and demand that they fulfill their sworn duty to uphold the Constitution of the United States, they will continue to treat us as irrelevant. Do we speak up or do we accept being discarded? Do we allow those guilty of high crimes & misdemeanors continue to commit their assaults... or do we speak up?

Yes, this is an excellent thread. I appreciate everyone's contributions... especially Calimary's.

[calimary]

45. Hey - thanks!

I can appreciate how discouraged some people on this thread feel. Hell, it's all over DU, and elsewhere. I think I remember reading something Howard Dean said once, "diagnosing" the "pound-puppy" syndrome that most Democrats have fallen into because of the beating we've taken from the bushies and the republi-CONS and the fundies and the freepers and the dittoheads and Pox "news" and Diebold and about 59 million unsuspecting voters. We would not be human if that didn't get to some of us. There have been days when I've felt exactly like that.

But this is not one of those days.

I REALLY think there's momentum here that can and should be built upon.

I think Dean helped. I think BARBARA "BACKBONE" BOXER did a HUGE amount of it. Notice how she stood up with Conyers and Tubbs-Jones in January and what happened after that? Well, sure, yeah, she was the only Senator to support them, but her support got their complaint onto the record and forced an open debate about it that at least a few people saw.

And at least a few people saw HER. And saw that she did NOT implode. The bad guys did NOT hurt her or her family, and really just huffed and puffed. She lived to fight another day, and that's EXACTLY what she's done since.

At least a few people also saw the ROAR of reaction to what she did. Remember Valentine's Day - when a campaign to send her flowers almost literally drowned her out of her office? You don't think for ONE MINUTE there weren't other senators, and senators' staffers, and visitors to that senate office building, and others, who did NOT notice the messengers bringing in all those flowers? You don't think that maybe some of 'em asked what the heck was going on - and WERE TOLD WHY? You don't think maybe that didn't hit home with a few people? I'd bet almost anything I owned that there were women, AND some men, ALL OVER THAT SENATE OFFICE BUILDING - AND their friends elsewhere in town there - who, maybe even for a moment, stopped and thought - "shiiiiiiiiittttt... why can't I get flowers like that? THAT'D sure be nice..." BELIEVE ME, BELIEVE ME, BELIEVE ME - they noticed. What they do about it is another thing entirely, but THEY NOTICED.

At least a few people not only saw that, but they DID something about it. Notice how we're starting to see more backbone in other senators now? More openly visible backbone? Do you think for an instant that Boxer would be joined by the LOUDLY complaining Joe Bidens and Chris Dodds and John Kerrys - insistently enough to sway republi-CON George Voinovich - and make HIS colleagues, Chuck Hagel and Lincoln Chafee stop and hesitate pretty seriously if some parts of this prelude had NOT happened? Boxer would have been all alone. And MAYBE she might not even have had the gumption to speak up, herself.

Remember, she did not speak up in 2000 when the Congressional Black Caucus went begging for even one senator... Yes, THAT Barbara Boxer. Well, evidently SHE heard enough of the complaints from us out here in voter-land that she had a change of heart, regretted that she hadn't stood up, and decided to change that.

And remember something else, too: she evidently heard it FROM US. And others LIKE US. She ABSOLUTELY DID NOT - REPEAT - NOT hear it from anybody else in her party. You think she heard it from Daschle? You think she heard it from Al From and all those capitulating weasels in the Democratic Leadership Council? You think she heard it from our "friends" on the Pox "news" channel? She heard it from US. People like us calling her office, bothering her staffers, sending faxes, emails, letters, petitions, and - eventually - roses on Valentine's Day.

I'm not just singling out Barbara Boxer, either. Harry Reid's turning out to have a few visible vertebrae, too. It's CLEAR that he took note. When Daschle was defeated and he got the minority chairmanship, he OBVIOUSLY wasn't sleepwalking. He CLEARLY took note that the template Daschle set up - of trying to get along and trying to compromise and offering milquetoast objections in public DID NOT WORK. He's doing some fairly impressive things, now.

AND, let me also remind, if I may - they ALL took note of Howard Dean. When it came time for the Democratic Party to choose a new chairman, it became RAWTHER unavoidable. I witnessed it personally. I went to one of those DNC "Listening Events" here in downtown L.A. back in January - where they were soliciting public comment to DNC board members about who we-the-people thought should be the new chair. At the time, Tim Roemer and a few others were in the mix. And we spoke up. AND HOW we spoke up. The meeting hall (large, like a theater or concert hall) was packed with people crowding up along the aisles and spilling out the doors. Everyone who wanted to speak was given 2 minutes. It went from 1pm to 4pm with about a 15-minute break midway. They only got through about half of the people who all wanted to speak by the time it was over. And EVERY LAST ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE SAID THE SAME THINGS:
HOWARD DEAN is a MUST.
BARBARA BOXER ROCKS.
The Democrats DAMNED WELL BETTER START SHOWING SOME SPINE.
STOP trying to be republi-CON-Lite.
TIME to STOP the stale old DLC business-as-usual and face THE FACT that their way ISN'T WORKING. GET IT?!?!?!?!?!
Actually, of those several hundred, perhaps three or four people mentioned someone other than Dean for DNC Chair. But that, truly, was about it - three or four people, max. EVERYONE ELSE was utterly adamant about Howard Dean.

Further, I got a phone call from a Democratic Party volunteer urging me to renew my membership and send a donation - at just about that same time. I argued back. I said NOT ANOTHER DIME unless Howard Dean is made Chairman. She debated with me, trying to argue around me 50 ways from Sunday about how it was so important to send a message to the DNC by my commitment to support them with my donation. I said NO and I KEPT saying NO and I KEPT saying NO FOR THE SAME REASONS. That I had HAD IT. That if they wanted me to continue working for them, they DAMNED WELL had better change, and get tough and start fighting back HARD, or else I. WAS. GOING. TO. LEAVE. AND take my donation money with me. Before she got tired and gave up, she admitted to me with a sigh that "this is not the first time I've heard this." My response? Well, it won't be the last time, either, my dear. HOWARD DEAN OR BUST. FIGHT BACK HARD OR BUST."

And guess who's our chairman now?

And guess who we're hearing from now? MORE than just Barbara Boxer, I'll tell ya. And IF WE KEEP IT UP, there will be even more besides. IF we keep it up to defeat schmucks like john bolton, THAT will be a shot heard around the world. You just WATCH the momentum build at that point. And at THAT point, the press will start writing a LOT more of those "is the GOP on the ropes" stories. And once THAT happens, people will start talking about it more. And it'll start burrowing deeper into the national psyche. And maybe, just maybe, a few things they've been pushing will lose more ground. You may even hear some announcements about how the Social Security "transformation" is being shelved for this year - a direct defeat to bush, who vowed he'd get it done IN 2005. And THAT won't go unnoticed in the papers, the Sunday talk shows, and on the radio. The bad guys and their freeper/dittohead minions will get mad and yell and scream and whine and snivel and kick dirt clods at us. But the MOMENTUM - and the PERCEPTION - will be with US. And you may get a few whiffs of dead meat.


on edit -

AW CRAP - this is long AGAIN. Sorry about that... thanks for suffering through it. You're probably burning of a few days in Purgatory by doing so! :D

[Sapphire Blue]

50. Senator Boxer... yes I noticed, and sent her roses, too

We have Boxer, we have Dean, we have the quiet strength of Harry Reid... and many others coming forward with courage & backbones... and they are all being noticed.

The RW may laugh or ridicule our efforts, but as the momentum grows, we can hear the nervousness behind their laughter. Like the bully whose backers finally desert him... the bully continues to puff up his chest... then gets taken down... by the all scrawny little victims joining together while the bully's former supporters see him for who & what he really is... and leave his side.

(Calimary, if individual posts could be nominated along with threads, I would nominate yours as 'greatest'. Not suffering for a nanosecond by reading what you have to say!:yourock: )

[Sapphire Blue]

40. More reasons...

The War President

Collage from images of dead American Soldiers

April 4, 2004

http://www.yuricareport.com/Gallery/TheWarPresident.html

[LatePeriduct]

34. Bring it on and drown the fires out!

Its time to get rid of the fascist dough stick squad!

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/CNPMeetsBeforeGOPConventionKirkpatrick.html

http://houseofscandal.org

May your many tentacles encircle eachother DeLay, sit back and watch the freepers cannibalize him.

[Gyre]

36. Don't you need a majority SOMEWHERE to do this?

Seems to me we're such losers that all we can do is impotently mutter about 'impeachment'. No dem with any sense is going to initiate an impeachment motion when it isn't going anywhere.

Gyre

[calimary]

41. Unless these calls come in such startling, noticeable numbers,

from everywhere, and in continuing gushes - that they just become a little too hard to ignore.

Ordinarily, I might say - yeah - seems pretty futile to me, too. Especially considering what we've been up against. But not now.

Check the "it's happening already" posts - 6, 15, and 18 above. The climate is changing. The bad guys have OVERSTEPPED. People are starting to realize that stuff is going on that they don't like, and that things have started to get out of hand while they've been snoozing. Terri Schiavo woke 'em up. In some numbers. The filibuster stuff woke 'em up. In some numbers. The planned ransacking of Social Security - PIRATIZING of Social Security - woke a LOT of people up. AARP, which wasn't with us on prescription drugs, suddenly woke up and did an about-face, and put their clout and their fundraising to use: their clever commercials are all over the airwaves. As many times as The First Dog Dropper has gone out pitching and spinning for his magic pie-in-the-sky (which is REALLY pie-in-yer-eye) schemes, his numbers have dropped, and more people have had greater misgivings. I've read lots of reports describing his campaign the biggest waste of 60 days he's ever had - all that alleged "political capital" he planned to spend after that alleged "mandate" he stole in November - well, it's all gone. Spent. Squandered (mainly because squandering things is all this miscreant knows how to do - look at his track record in school and in business throughout his life). And the chinks are showing QUITE VISIBLY in the armor now, as they haven't been before. People are trying hard not to say or admit this but their precious "mr. invincible" just ISN'T.

And we deserve what we get if we fail to exploit this.

NOW is when we need to start jumping on this. NOW is when they're stumbling, and showing weakness, and bloat, and flabby muscles. Not all of them, of course, but the public is seeing sides of these jackals that it doesn't like. We're bigger idiots than he is if we fail to exploit this.

Yes, impeachment looks like a pipedream.

So was putting men on the moon.

So was an independent mode of personal transport.

So was a cellular phone.

So was a vaccine to wipe out polio.

So was the internet.

Howard Dean knows the score - that we start NOW on 2006. THAT'S our next step. Because if we do our jobs now, and get power back in 2006 in the House and/or Senate (my preference would be the House of Reps) - then impeachment WILL be an achievable goal. Especially if we do well enough next year that OUR sharks get a good taste of blood in the water...

[Sapphire Blue]

43. We are only impotent when we believe we are, when we accept

the role of 'victim'.

Our voices are not impotent mutters… our voices are powerful… when we use them. We can affect change… one step at a time, one voice at a time, until our voices can no longer be ignored.


An excerpt from 'The Politics of Victimization'...

Watch Dan Rather apologize for not getting his facts straight, humiliated before the eyes of America, voluntarily undermining his credibility and career of over thirty years. Observe Donna Brazille squirm as she is ridiculed by Bay Buchanan, and pronounced irrelevant and nearly non-existent. Listen as Donna and Nancy Pelosi and Senator Charles Schumer take to the airwaves saying that they have to go back to the drawing board and learn from their mistakes and try to be better, more likable, more appealing, have a stronger message, speak to morality. Watch them awkwardly quote the bible, trying to speak the new language of America. Surf the blogs, and read the comments of dismayed, discombobulated, confused individuals trying to figure out what they did wrong. Hear the cacophony of voices, crying out, ?Why did they beat me??

And then ask anyone who has ever worked in a domestic violence shelter if they have heard this before.

They will tell you, every single day.

The answer is quite simple. They beat us because they are abusers. We can call it hate. We can call it fear. We can say it is unfair. But we are looped into the cycle of violence, and we need to start calling the dominating side what they are: abusive. And we need to recognize that we are the victims of verbal, mental, and even, in the case of Iraq, physical violence.

As victims we can?t stop asking ourselves what we did wrong. We can?t seem to grasp that they will keep hitting us and beating us as long as we keep sticking around and asking ourselves what we are doing to deserve the beating.

Read the full article @ http://mathewgross.com/archives/003075.htm

[Lady Effingbroke]

44. My Representative...

is DeLay. :(

[calimary]

46. YAY! YOU are gonna have some fun! Because he is taking on water.

And YOU get to see it up close when he sinks!

I'd try to get to his concession speech if I lived close by...

And if he survives, it's QUITE possible he'll be MINORITY leader... which might be VERY sweet indeed, considering his hyper-inflated ego. Mr. "I AM the federal government."

I'd suggest reading up a little on Richard Morrison. He didn't go away after November.

[Sapphire Blue]

47. Stop Tom DeLay

Send your message to the House Ethics Committee @

http://petition.democracyforamerica.com/page/p/stoptomdelay


Then call DeLay @ 1-877-SOB-U-SOB and demand his resignation.


(You have my sympathy for being cursed with him as your Rep.:hug: )

[LatePeriduct]

48. kick!