Where's the Kerry support?

[kerrygoddess]

Daily there is a barrage of here of anti-Kerry posts. It's sad considering how much Kerry has been doing since the election, let alone what he has done in the past 20 years in the Senate.

There are constant references made to Barbara Boxer having more support, or Barbara Boxer doing more... yet today the point has been well proven in emails from both Kerry and Boxer on saving the Arctic Refuge.

From Kerry's email: "So far, a quarter of a million citizens - more than 260,000 people, have signed our Citizens' Roll Call in support of the Cantwell-Kerry Amendment to prevent the oil drills from invading one of our greatest natural treasures."

From Boxer's email: "More than 21,000 Americans have already come forward to sign my petition and demand that Senate Republican Leader Bill Frist halt efforts to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling."

I'm not posting this as flame bait, but to make a point. Enough is enough with the Kerry bashing!


The Democratic has got to stick together and we all need to work together. I love Barbara Boxer, she's one of my Senators. And I love John Kerry, I grew up in MA and lived there for 33 years. We can and should support all of our Senators and need to look at what the bashing does to demean the Democratic Party.

[sniffa]

1. i agree

i wish it wouLd stop, but untiL then i just hit the aLert button when necessary.

[rockymountaindem]

2. Preach, kerrygoddess.

I agree completely. Though methinks I hear the bashers thundering 'round the bend.

[kerrygoddess]

4. And so I will!

Thank you!

[merh]

159. How can you not support Kerry! He is fighting for us!

Check out his email -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3288432

[kerrygoddess]

160. Amazing number of people signed that petition in 48 hours! N/T

[merh]

162. Isn't it - he is trying to reach out to us and empower us. If we

recognize the power we have, we in turn will empower him and the other democratic members in congress!

[kerrygoddess]

163. That's it...

We've got to get behind them because the going is so f'ing tough right now. We've got to show the Repukes in power that we are standing behind Kerry and all the Dems and WE WANT CHANGE!

[hiley]

3. You are so right

and hopefully people will start seeing all the great things that Senator Kerry does. One does not have to agree with every decision made to still respect someone.

[cestpaspossible]

5. If those of us who defend Kerry

can do so in the face of such constant negativity, I think that says something as well...

[sandnsea]

6. Time to focus on the opposition

On Mar 11, the DNC posted Howard Dean's interview. I thought about posting something snarky about how quickly people had turned on Howard. But I didn't, unity is more important. What I don't understand is what in the heads of people who post crap like this when a Democrat is doing everything they can to communicate with the rank and file. Enough of this already. I'm not happy with Landrieu, Akaka and Inouye today; but I'm not even going to jump on the gang bashing of them. We'll need them on other votes. What we need to do is keep our focus on bad Republican policy ALL THE TIME. And if 95% of Democrats agree on something, and you don't, just shut the fuck up about it. That's how we present a unified front.

One of many snarky posts against Dean on the Dem blog:

"I'm sorry but those were pretty bland answers.

AND real questions seem to have been ignored.

Why are so many democrats caving to the GOP on so many issues?"

[Leilani]

122. What a joke!

"I'm not happy with Landrieu, Akaka, & Inouyetoday; but I'm not even going to jump on the gang bashing of them."

You not only jumped in, you LED it.

You started a thread to call for a tourism boycott of Hawaii. So you not only bashed, you tried to take it out on the innocent people of my state.

And you want kindness for Mr Kerry?

You want unity, love, & togetherness?

What a disgrace!

Today was a new low...not only did Senators get bashed, but so did an entire state.

[sandnsea]

158. The people, not the senators

YOU are the ones who let the Senators get away with those votes. YOU excused those votes for several reasons. I was simply saying, it's time to get the attention of the people so they will wake the fuck up and pay attention to what's happening. A tourism boycott seemed logical. Like I said, my livelihood is tourism. My Dem Senator voted for healthy forests. Get the attention of the people in my state. Boycott away.

But I'm not going to lead the charge for my Dem Senator to be thrown overboard because he made some votes I didn't like. It's the people we have to reach.

[pamela]

7. Amen, Kerrygoddess.

I love John Kerry and support him completely. I am so proud of the way he has stood up for us since the election and I'm impressed by the leadership role he has taken. I don't post here very often and the Kerry bashing is part of the reason why I don't. It's sad, because I think there are a lot of people like me, good, solid life-long Democrats, who discovered this website around the election but haven't really stuck around afterwards because of the anti-Kerry climate. It just seems terribly counter-productive to me, especially since he has taken such a strong leadership role on the issues that we care about and has the name recognition and clout to get people to pay attention. I love Boxer, too, and like and respect Dean, Clark, Kucinich and all the other good dems out there who are fighting the good fight. But no one has fought harder for us than John Kerry.

[Generator]

8. Every time I get an e-mail from Kerry

It's like a little light in the vast darkness.

He is the epitome of good in a time of evil.

[kerrygoddess]

12. Yes he is. N/T

[sandnsea]

13. Here's another light

www.lightupthedarkness.org

In case you missed it. :)

[kerrygoddess]

17. Never seen that before! LOL!

:kick:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

144. thanks for the link!...i did miss it

[whometense]

59. I think of him

exactly the same way. A light in the wilderness.

[Dawgs]

9. Good Luck...

Kerry could find the smoking gun that would take down Bush, and many on here would say 'so what, one or twice he didn't do what I wanted, so screw him'.

[kerrygoddess]

10. Well they are

only hurting what we are all fighting for if they do so!

[LeftyLizzie]

11. Well said!

I agree with you completely. John Kerry has fought and is fighting damn hard for us, and while everyone is probably deserving of some criticism every now and then (no one's perfect!), I think a lot of people are unappreciative and don't give Kerry the respect he deserves. But, hey, you can't please all of the people all of the time.

[bgb217]

16. I second the well said...

Of course the guy isn't perfect-- but that goes without saying, no one is. During the election, and now especially, that Kerry keeps up the fight is something that I have amazing respect for; imo, he really doesn't deserve most of the criticism he gets.

[nancyharris]

14. I am thankful for Senator Kerry's

efforts to fight against oil drilling in the ANWR.

However, I wish he would have fought just as hard to get the wind generation plant approved for Nantucket Island. It makes no sense to on one hand, limit access to oil drilling, while on the other hand not vigorously support alternative forms of energy.

[saracat]

15. Kerry is proving again to be the most "Democratic" of our

Democratic Senators. He is staying and fighting for all those principles he outligned in the campaign. He has abandoned no one. We can see what a different world we would be living in had the votes been counted. God Bless John Kerry nad those senators that support him. They are the ray of light in the sea of darkness.

[politicasista]

18. Amen Kerrygoddess!

:yourock:

[kerrygoddess]

23. Thank You PS! N/T

[mzmolly]

19. You are correct.

Bashing good Democrats serves Republicans.

[Discord]

20. Don't get me wrong.

I support Kerry 100% as a Senator. I simply just don't support all the talk about Kerry in '08. Too early, and I wouldn't vote for him in the primaries. And note... I am from MA.

[politicasista]

21. Who would you support then?

Are they going to be any better? Just curious.

[Discord]

24. thats the point. its too far away to even be worrying about.

theres a million things that could happen between now and then that could affect the political atmosphere in this country. people need to focus on the '06 elections and stop worrying about who the candidate will be. save that for the primaries. I'm sick of ALL the whos gonna be prez threads frankly. If we dont get a majority in house or senate in '06... it wont matter who a Dem prez would be.


edited: corrected term.

[kerrygoddess]

28. Kerry's been saying that himself.

Did you see the interview on Inside Politicss last night. he said we're looking at what we need to do for '06, we're not looking at '08.

[Discord]

31. missed that one.

wonder if they have the transcript at the station site.

[kerrygoddess]

44. On Vote-Smart

I found it today on Vote-Smart.org -
http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=83283&keyword=&phrase=&contain=

They have 7 pages of Kerry speeches, etc there - http://www.vote-smart.org/speech.php?type=&can_id=S0421103&keyword=&phrase=&contain=&without=&sort=&start=0#Results

[Discord]

116. thank you for the linkage! nt

[zann725]

128. Do you mean the CSPAN interview at JFK Library last weekend?

I was impressed, and reminded why I campaigned for, and voted for him.
Though his abandoning us last November still anoys me, it is encouraging that he's still pushing ahead on several issues. However I think the time has come for him to do something of courage...some truly outrageous...that others would be afraid to do. Maybe he needs to accept that Ohio court challenge to give his Deposition and tell all.
Or maybe HE needs to initiate a Filibuster. In that interview last weekend, he said (after much reflection) that NOW was the time for "militancy" to change things. As a prior activist, he knows when the time is right, when it's necessary...when the time comes to break rules in order to make new ones.
And the time is definitely now. And he's the man to lead it.

[FromTheLeft]

157. AMEN!!!!! n/t

[Mass]

25. He is right

It is just too early to talk about that for anybody. And I really love Kerry.: :)

[kerrygoddess]

22. No one is talking

Kerry '08 at this point except the pundits.

[sendero]

26. Really?

As far as I remember - the only threads I've jumped in to "bash" Kerry are exactly those - ones suggesting he's our best hope in '08.

I certainly hope not. If he couldn't win 04 I don't see how he could win 08.

That said, I think Kerry is a fine, excellent, even exemplary senator, and I hope he remains in the senate for a long long time.

[TheDonkey]

37. No need to "bash" him

just ignore those talking about Kerry '08 then.
He's a great man and we should be celebrating it when he stands up for us. Not ridiculing him "just because".

[sendero]

38. Well...

... I have never, and would never ridicule him. That is not the same as criticizing.

I think highly of him, but I'd like a better candidate in '08, that is all. I think also, to be honest, I find some of the "Kerry 08 cheerleading" threads a bit annoying. It's hard to put my finger on it, but some of it sounds like propaganda to me.

I don't cotton to prop from the right or from the left. Rose colored glasses are dangerous, anywhere you might find them. Let the Bushbots speak in lockstep of the glory of their leader, I want no part of that dynamic.

[politicasista]

27. I am not talking either.

I also believe that we have to take back Congress and the MSM after 2006. If we don't, as Momma T said, whoever runs in 2008 isn't going to have much of a chance.

[sandnsea]

35. Not '08 support

I don't think that's what KerryGoddess means at all. It's just that we've got damned few Dems who we can depend on the vast majority of the time. Kerry is one of them. Even Hillary gets too much bashing around here, and I don't even like her all that much. But when she's right, she's right, and I'm going to get behind her. We can't be eating our own all the time.

[LittleClarkie]

70. That's what I'm saying. It's too early. But positive action needs support

no matter what your plans are in 2008.

[More Than A Feeling]

114. Kerry is one, Dickie D is another!

sorry to interrupt, but when you mentioned dems we could depend on a vast majority of the time, I thought of Senator Durbin, as reliable as they come, straight from central casting.

Love to him, Kerry, Reid, Schumer, Clinton, Leahy, Boxer, Byrd, and our other stalwarts!

[Mass]

115. Durbin is really impressive as minority whip.

He is doing a great job.

[kerrygoddess]

118. Yes!

We're screwed right now in the Senate. That is so obvious. We lost everything we put forward today. We've got to stand behind our Senators who are fighting for us, when they fight for us and give them unity. No one is perfect. None of them, none of us.

[rniel]

29. Just hearing his name is like a punch in the gut

Reminds me of how I felt after this last election every time.

[kerrygoddess]

30. Go take an alka-seltzer...

There's too much work to do to be complaining.

[blm]

32. I say we support ALL of our Dem leaders.

.

[sandnsea]

36. Exactly

When any one of them stands up for something I agree with, I'm going to be right behind them. I may have personal disdain for some, but I can keep that to myself for the greater good. I think that's the point KerryGoddess is trying to make about Kerry. Enough of this bashing when he, or any other Dem, is doing good.

[TheDonkey]

33. Kerry tried hard today to protect America's beauty

he gave a good speech on the Senate floor.
He has improved so much as a communicator over the past years, I'm really proud.

[saltpoint]

34. John Kerry is doing the journeywork of the Party and --

-- his career as a Democrat is inspired by his notion of public service. He doesn't need the money but we need his commitment and energy and brains.

I cite those three elements as if to suggest the absence of all three in the current incumbent.

[welshTerrier2]

39. "what the bashing does to demean the Democratic Party"

do we also have to look at what bad votes do to demean the Democratic Party?

today, 162 Democratic Congressmen voted to give bush an additional $81.4 billion (i.e. over and above the $400 billion Pentagon budget and over and above the $200 billion already spent in Iraq) to continue his dirty little occupation in Iraq ... talk about demeaning the Democratic Party !!

does Kerry still plan to demean the Party or can he be persuaded to vote against the Iraq supplemental ??

[Mass]

42. You're right

But it should not be applied selectively to some.

Where is your outrage at Byrd for voting for the Bankruptcy Act or supporting the FMA? Where is your outrage at Feingold for voting for Rice?

I hope you did not spend too much time on them, because altogether, they are very good senators, though I disagree with some of their votes, and these votes are important too.

The problem is this continual Kerrybashing, as if there was not more important things to do. We need to be united and support our senators when they do good things and criticize them when they dont. The time spent criticizing Kerry each time somebody tries to say something positive on him is simply ridiculous, while we need to mobilize our energy towards other things. Just my 2 cents.

[welshTerrier2]

47. you want outrage ... here ya go ...

there are votes and then there are votes ... i don't expect elected Democrats to vote the way I want them to on every single vote ... but there are certain votes that, in my view, get at the core of who we are, or perhaps more importantly who we should be, as Democrats ...

certain votes are just plain old over the line ... some votes are just so wrong that the Congressman or Senator does not deserve our continued support ... and it's not just the vote itself; it's what that vote reflects about the person's values and understanding of the world ... some of our elected Democrats just don't get it ...

i voted for Kerry last year in spite of some very serious reservations ... i'm done voting against my deepest, most important beliefs ... voting more money for war, for this "war", violates one of these beliefs ... there will be no forgiveness, no "oh come ons", no tolerance ... once you've "killed a puppy", your other actions are just not enough to get you off the hook ... that's the nature of litmus tests ... those who vote MORE MONEY FOR WAR can go fuck themselves ... that's it ... over and out ...

if Kerry does it, he's out ... you think Kerry's one of the good guys? then call him and tell him to vote against this very bad bill ... you can't be a good guy when you vote for bush's war ... what the U.S. is doing in Iraq is criminal ... we are trying to install another bush puppet ... this has absolutely nothing to do with democracy and everything to do with hegemony and corporate exploitation of the Middle East ... and if Kerry or anyone else gets some kind of warm fuzzy by "voting more money for the troops", i'm sorry but they don't realize the harm they're doing ... perhaps it's become a bit worn out, but if you want to really support the troops, get them the hell out of Iraq ... and if the troops are to remain in Iraq, take the fucking money out of the $400 billion Pentagon budget ... voting additional funds is an obscenity ... a big fucking obscenity ... and that's exactly what I'm going to call each and every Democrat who votes MORE MONEY FOR WAR ... let's hope Kerry shows some leadership and votes against the money ...

[kerrygoddess]

48. There you go proving my point. N/T

[welshTerrier2]

49. there you go ... making no point ...

i just love non-responsive replies ... especially ones with no reasoning whatsoever and not even any text ...

and you certainly can't suggest there was any Kerry bashing in my post ... can you ???

[politicasista]

54. Leave her alone!

Get over the primaries and help fight this criminal adminstration for a change.

[welshTerrier2]

63. THE POINT OF MY POSTS IN THIS THREAD ...

i believe the base poster criticized my post ... i didn't notice you complaining about that ... you don't like how i responded to the nonsense she wrote, tough ...

I also made no criticism of Kerry and certainly made no reference whatsoever to the primaries ... so just WTF are you talking about ???

now, here's where we agree, let's "help fight this criminal administration for a change" ... THAT'S EXACTLY THE POINT OF MY POSTS IN THIS THREAD !!!!!!! why the hell should any of us support anybody, Democrat or otherwise, who VOTES WITH bush to continue his empire-building in Iraq???

stop defending Democrats who do things like that !!!!

[politicasista]

65. I am not defending democrats.

[kerrygoddess]

72. You made a threat as to how he should vote...

Same thing!

We need frigging unity! Why you can't see that is beyond me.

If every person who ranted about their one issue agenda during the campaign had kept their mouths shut and supported Kerry for the sake of getting rid Bush we might have done better.

Right now we absolutely have to support who we have in office, find and fund new candidates to replace the ones who suck and take back the House and Senate in '06.

No one, I repeat NO ONE, is PERFECT. Not even you!

[welshTerrier2]

77. "We need frigging unity!"

if you want unity, stop posting your "puppy love" Kerry posts (i'm sure you agree they do anything but build unity) and start trying to build consensus on the issues ...

to quote someone i'm sure you agree with, "Why you can't see that is beyond me."

[marcologico]

142. er, welshTerrier2. . .

You may have missed the irony of that "puppy love" remark:



Hey nobody's perfect! :)

[Mass]

64. She is making perfectly the point.

SO voting for the Federal Marriage Amendment is not over the line. Voting against veterans is not over the line.

I should be pissing in every thread that acclaims Byrd because of that, if I follow your lead.

Voting for Ashcroft as Feingold did is over the line for me. Should I do the same for him?

So, nobody is asking you to like Kerry. All that was asked was that people stop doing kerrybashing each and everytime somebody says something positive on Kerry and pissing in the thread. I know this is wishful thinking, but I guess this what the original poster meant.

I spent my day arguing in posts with people who know nothing about Kerry and want to criticize what he does on principle. It is both ridiculous and perfectly counterproductive.

I am not going to piss on Kerry defending ANWR because I would like him to take a different position on ANWR or opposing Wolfowitz nomination at the head of the World Bank as some have done, just because I am not in agreement with him on Iraq.

[welshTerrier2]

73. a few responses ...

first, i think each of us must choose what issues are important to us and to what degree ... and each of us should be free to choose whether we support a given politician or criticize them ... and having a Democratic label shouldn't change that ...

if you want to "piss in every thread", that's your right ... if the issues you cited are important enough to you that you no longer believe certain Democrats deserve your support, that's fine with me ... you choose; you decide ... and i also don't think when someone posts an "i love Kerry" thread they should expect to be immune to hearing from those who don't agree ... perhaps if you had a "we love Kerry" group, you should be entitled to control the agenda ... but i don't think that's appropriate in GD ... so yes, what you wrote is indeed "wishful thinking" ...

now, having said that, let's be very, very clear on something ... go back and read my posts in this thread ... i said i disagreed with Kerry on some very important issues BUT I DID NOT "BASH" HIM or even criticize him ... did I ???

and, you're last point is truly bewildering ... you wrote: "people who know nothing about Kerry and want to criticize what he does on principle" ... well, i won't get into how well i do or don't know Kerry ... but no one gets a free ride ... it's absurd to say that it's wrong to judge a Senator based on how he votes ... if you think that's "ridiculous and perfectly counterproductive", what then is the point of this thread??? it's certainly not going to convince anyone who disagrees and all that's left is flamebait ...

[Mass]

79. I am at a loss

I reread my posts and I dont see where I implied that YOU bashed Kerry. I dont think you are the only person posting on this site.

For the rest, I doubt it is even worth trying to discuss because I can see you are a single issue poster. Good for you.

As for the point of the thread, the person who started it explained it here. You may want to read it if you dont understand.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1664765&mesg_id=1665754&page=

[kerrygoddess]

66. As long as they (the troops) are there

The deserve to have armor and whatever else they need to protect themselves. That's the bottom line. It sucks! Yes it sucks!

The war sucks! I hate it. I've psent many a Friday night out protesting it over the past 2 years. I absolutely agree that we should not be there and the best way to support the troops is to bring them home. However, it's not fair to them, if Bush won't bring them home, to go with out. That's the bottom line.

It's a tough one. Kerry knows this because he's fought in a war that we should not have been in. He's seen good men die because of lie.

You can take your rant and you can apply it to EVERY DEM who voted for Iraq based on Bush's lies.

There's a lot more at stake at this point then the war. That's a fact. Everyone has their bottom line. We know your's. We won't be able to fight the Bush machine unless we all pull together and put our personal peeves and issues aside and work towards the unity needed to beat these sons of bitches.

That means stowing your personal frustration about Kerry or any one until we get these idiots out of power!

There's your response to your outrage. Use your outrage against the true enemy - Bush and his cronies!

[Lizzie Borden]

97. I agree. But I am pissed

at Feingold. He's my Senator, and I usually agree with him but this Rice thing is just beyond the pale. That's something I won't forgive.

[Q]

40. It's rather insulting...

...that you expect everyone to fall in line and support Kerry...just weeks after the 2004 election.

Have you ever considered the fact that many didn't want to vote for Kerry in the first place and only voted for him because of Bush? Have you considered that many Democrats want to see who is running in 2008 before they make a decision about who they will support?

Stop trying to push Kerry down our throats. It leaves a very bad taste.

And really...if I was going to support someone that was cheated out of his rightful office...it would be Al Gore.

[politicasista]

46. Nobody is pushing Kerry down your or nobody's throat

We are just saying that Kerry has been doing the things that he said he would do, yet people still bash and attack him personally for not being there on Jan 6 or making sure the votes are counted, when we don't know what's really going on. People need to let go of the primaries and fight the real enemy, that is *. Where is Gore by the way?

[Q]

71. Strange that we didn't have to suffer this daily KERRY IS GOD...

...barrage before or during the 2004 campaign. I remember very few Kerry Is the Best Senator threads before the campaign.

And then suddenly...we hear 'rumors' that he is 'considering' running again in 2008. Just as sudden there are DAILY threads about his great leadership/statemanship/senate prowess.

This is obviously for one reason: to give him a head start for 2008 and to keep him front and center in the minds of Democrats.

Give it a friggin rest already.

Call it Dem bashing or Kerry hating or anything else that comes to mind. But many of us will simply not vote for him again. And you're sadly mistaken if you think it's only a few 'lefty loons' that feel this way.

Kerry's only chance to EVER be considered again is if he disavows the DLC and stops playing to the right while taking votes from the base for granted.

[LittleClarkie]

137. That would be Clapton, actually

Kerry's only a demi-god.

[sellitman]

186. Kerry should have counted the votes.

He caved in WAY before he said he would. For this reason alone I would never vote for him again unless I had no choice. This isn't Kerry bashing. This is a reaction to the "selection" in Ohio and Florida. He rolled over like Gore did.

[LittleClarkie]

51. I don't need anyone lining up behind him

or agreeing with everything he says.

But this is like trying to do a good deed and being reminded that you hit somebody in the third grade.

It's non-productive for one thing. I don't care if you support Kerry. Hell, I don't even care if you like Kerry. But if any Dem shows signs of life, it would be nice if fellow Dems supported positive action. That's all I'm sayin'.

[cestpaspossible]

60. It might be insulting if it were what anyone had said.

But since your post constitutes nothing but an enormous and rude strawman, the shoe is actually on the other foot.

[LittleClarkie]

41. I often wonder why you don't see more people going after Boxer

for her Patriot Act vote. How come, whenever she appears to work for things like ANWR people don't post about how they'll never trust her again because of that one vote.

Are there others who have to hang by their thumbs for one vote, no matter what other good they might do?

And are there any other Dems we hate for conceding their elections, giving up the fight as it were? Any Dukakis haters out there. How about Carter. Damn them for giving up. As if after Gore we weren't ever supposed to concede an election again. How nuts is that?

It's the repetition that gets tedious. The same voices over and over again beating their tits with their fists until they're concave-chested and shouting that he abandoned them, or that he voted for the war, as if he were nothing but a IWR or a concession speech on legs.

Alright already. We got it. Some people aren't happy. I think we can remember from yesterday that some people are unhappy. We don't need the daily "by the way, I'm still pissed" reminders, like the 5 o'clock moan.

Maybe if there's something DIFFERENT to be pissed about it wouldn't be so tedious. But it's pretty much those two things: IWR and one concession speech.

[Laurab]

123. There is a whole lot to be pissed about

but not with John Kerry. I think we have our hands full dealing with the things the chimp-in-chief does on a daily, maybe hourly basis to piss us off.

When I saw the thread title, I thought "oh shit" because, no matter WHAT it's about, if it has Kerry's name on it, I know I'm going to see the same things over and over. It took a few more posts than I thought, but I wasn't disappointed.

I just don't get it. Kerry is one of the good guys, trying to fight the most corrupt, evil, and dangerous administration in my lifetime. And someone is bashing him for a POTENTIAL vote - yes, a vote he HASN'T EVEN MADE YET.

If it weren't for the asshole that's in office now, these difficult votes would not even be necessary. Or, at the very least, they wouldn't be as difficult as they are for the senators and congresspeople trying to fight the good fight. They are the minority party, fighting not only a well oiled, unscrupulous political machine, but also a media controlled by that party.

I don't agree with every vote made by every person, but I do know who the good guys are, and who the bad guys are. When we eat our own, we're doing the rethugs work for them. It really does get discouraging.

[graywarrior]

43. Kerry bashing is endless. It's a virus at DU.

This is why dems lose elections. Even morAns stick together behind their MorAn King. Republicans who don't like Bush support him in public.

Kerry bashers are immature crybabies. The evil wizard, Karl Rove, knows this and uses it to his advantage.

[politicasista]

45. You hit it right on the nail graywarrior!

Agree 100%.

[Discord]

117. but Kerry is not our king. he's not the prez

hes a senator. end of discussion.

[Clarkie1]

50. Kerry isn't doing more than Boxer or any other hard-working senator.

It's just that he's a nationally known figure with a big e-mail list.

That doesn't make him any better than other hard-working democratic senators.

I value them all. Kerry's not anything particularly special in that regard.

Edit:

Frankly, I find your reference to the number of petiton signers Boxer v. Kerry distasteful and tactless because it seems meant to imply Kerry has scored more points than Boxer in some kind of contest.

I'm sure if Boxer had run for President and lost she would have a large e-mail list, too. That doesn't make Kerry more important, or show he is more effective than any of our other senators.

[politicasista]

52. Nobody said Kerry is more special than anyone else.

We are just tired of the daily bashing of him and other people around here.

[Clarkie1]

57. That is what the start to this thread implied.

Even with the "don't mean this as flamebait" disclaimer.

[kerrygoddess]

74. The point of this thread is to get people to see

that we need to stop the bashing of Kerry and all the politicians who are working their tails off trying to make a difference.

Kerry has a lot of supporters, they may not be here (maybe because they have been chased away), but they are there. When people post the so and so is better than Kerry or so and so is better so and so it demeans the work we need to do!

[Clarkie1]

78. I'll agree with that.

"When people post the so and so is better than Kerry or so and so is better so and so it demeans the work we need to do!"

But if that is truly the way you feel, why were you posting petition signature tallys comparing Kerry to Boxer, implying Kerry was somehow "better?"

[kerrygoddess]

102. Because it get's old hearing

everyone say so and so is better than Kerry (or no one supports Kerry) and I wanted to make the point that Kerry does obviously have a lot of support.

By the by good to see Clark is getting active again. We need all the help we can get.

[LittleClarkie]

55. That's all I'm saying, and thank you

I guess kerrygoddess feels that he's singled out for special abuse, more than the other Dems it seems. If he could even get an level playing field, it would be an improvement.

[dhinojosa]

53. Get Kerry to sue the swift vets and you got yourself a deal!!!!

I like the guy and I like where he stands on like 99% of the issues. But he needs to get the skeletons out of the closet and beat the living crap out of it.

[dhinojosa]

56. Oh, and tell him not to concede too quickly. Many people were robbed.

He didn't make sure that everyone got to vote and those votes counted.

[LittleClarkie]

69. Three things there:

1. He's only one guy, and some of his secondary folks let him down.

2. They were robbed whether he waited or not, 'cause he couldn't prove it.

3. He's till making sure those votes count. There is still that lawsuit in Ohio. Go McTigue!

[dhinojosa]

148. Here are my three things

1. He was more than one guy, there was a whole team, and there even were people like me who worked for 16 hours on election day. The ultimate decision was his.

2. Exit polls were off, all electronic machines never gave receipts and furthermore you can't expect to get any good evidence in a mere 4-6 hours after the election.

3. The lawsuits are great, but Kerry and the democrats had more political leverage before concession. I don't think he should've threw in the towel early like that.

[politicasista]

58. What has your candidate done?

I would like for Kerry to sue them also, but he can't do all this by himself.

[dhinojosa]

61. I wish I could help but I wasn't on his boat

I believe him, that's why I want him to take the fight to them.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

62. "I promise. All the votes will be counted." Sorry, could never

support him again. Good guy, great ideas, great heart. But he let me down way too much.

[politicasista]

68. There is a lawsuit pending in Ohio. Hello!

I was disappointed that Kerry conceded right away too. Do you think somebody else could have done the same thing? I think not. No wonder the GOP laughs at us for eating our own.

[JHBowden]

67. I share your sentiment.

Kerry is one of our best Senators.

[kerrygoddess]

75. Yes, he is. N/T

[graywarrior]

76. We all know what a house divided does.

What's that old expression??....oh yeah, kwitcher bitchin.

Don't like Kerry? Stand behind someone else, anyone else, if you're a democrat. If not, register as an independent or libertarian and spare us the perpetual crybaby pee-pee pants bullshit.

[solinvictus]

80. I'm glad he's fighting for us now...

but I doubt I would support him as a presidential candidate in '08. It's nothing against his policies, but in my view, he had his shot and lost it. We don't need a Democratic Bob Dole.

[politicasista]

84. Who do we need then?

Who is that perfect candidate since Kerry didn't fit the bill?

[hansolsen]

81. Kerry should stay in the Senate and let boxer run in 2008. I'd rather

support Boxer than Hillary Clinton.

Kerry cannot get the nomination again, any more than Gore or Dukakis could get a second bite of the apple.

Sorry kerry supporters, that is just a fact of life.

[LittleClarkie]

82. We ARE talking about Kerry in the Senate

Who gives a flying fuck about 2008 at this point?

We're just trying to get things done in THE SENATE NOW

You can support Mickey Mouse in 2008 for all I care. Support positive action NOW, no matter who it comes from. I'm not a Howard supporter, but I will support the actions of the DNC Chairman.

I'm not a Harry Reid supporter, but I say "Give em hell, Harry!" anyway.

Hell, I'm definitely not a Hillary supporter, but if she asked me to make phone calls in support of her election reform bill I'd ask who and when without hesitation. Does that mean I want her in 2008. HELL NO!

Get. the. point.

[hansolsen]

89. Yes I do and I happen to agree with you. But that doesn't mean rubber

stamping every damn fool thing some Dem in a leadership position does. The reason I come to DU is is to express my opinion. And there have been many times I opposed john Kerry's positions going all the way back to his vote on IWR.

I will not be silent when Dem leadership runs amuck. And I am not alone.

Get. The. Point.

[LittleClarkie]

91. If you agree, then why bring up 2008?

That's not the kind of support Kerrygoddess was talking about. You don't have to support the man to support the action.

And who said anything about a rubber stamp? Even getting some people to deal with the issue at hand would be a victory. But right in the middle of asking for action on ANWR there's a post about his concession. In the middle of a thread about health care, there's a thread about IWR. Can we deal with the issues right in front of us, please. what does IWR have to do with ANWR, I ask you.

And what, exactly, was so damn foolish about fighting for ANWR, or health care, or the ousting of Rummy, or asking us to help send calling cards to soldiers.

Which one of those actions was a "damn fool thing."

And how is he or any of the leadership running amuck right now? Be specific. How?

So far, I see vague criticisms, no point. I'll get it when you can show it to me.

[hansolsen]

103. The original "damn fool thing" was voting for IWR. That was followed

by trying to be on both sides of the Iraq issue for the whole campaign. Third, was kerry's me-too support for Bush's position on the Likud policies in the West Bank. And believe me I could go on.

That brings us to ANWAR. I simply happen to believe that Dem environmental activists are barking up the wrong tree on this one. The real damage to the environment will be minimal, based on what we see happening in the rest of the North slope.

We squander political capital like drunken sailors when we joust at windmills -- and that is exactly what Kerry is doing here, IMO.

So do you mind if I have an opinion? On the issues at hand??

[LittleClarkie]

104. Not at all, thanks

I appreciate it, actually.

[politicasista]

83. And what if Boxer declines, what you gonna do?

This is why the Dems will continue to lose elections. We treat our former nominees like garbage.

[hansolsen]

88. 2008 is an eternity away. Relax. N/T

[kerrygoddess]

105. Proved my point again!

It's not even about '08, but the fact is two Senators both sent out petitions on the same issue and 1 got 10 times more support.

Kerry is positioned better to run again and win the nomination again at this point, if he chooses too. He's got a huge supporter list that no one can match at this point. Think about it. He's doing more in the Senate than Boxer, Clinton anyone. Think about it.

[drummer55]

85. I support him as much as he supported us

During the campaign John Kerry repeated again and again and again and again.

"I promise the american people that every vote would count and every vote would be counted"


On November 2nd
Edwards came out and said "John Kerry and I made a promise to the American people that in this election every vote would count, and every vote would be counted"


less than 24 hours later John Kerry conceeded.

Kerry became the first presidential candidate in history to break a campaign promise after losing an election.

Like I said I support him as much as he supported us.

bye mister kerry and dont let the door hit you in the ass.

[politicasista]

86. You need to watch the personal attacks here

You wouldn't say about NO other candidate but Kerry, how sad. :mad: :grr:

[LittleClarkie]

87. He still is

He said he'd fight for health care.

He is.

He said he'd make sure every vote got counted.

Why's he still involved in a lawsuit in Ohio if that's not true.

BTW, he ain't goin' noplace. Sorry about that. He still has a Senate seat and a job to do. You're going to hear about him at least until 2008, like it or not.

And, as it becomes more apparent that he is indeed still supporting us, I should hope that you would do as you say, and reciprocate.

[zulchzulu]

90. Fuck the Kerry Basher...they just don't get it

Kerry has been on my side since he was 27 or so. He has stood strong ever since and I can explain his political decisions confidently and knowing that he has thought about his decisions thoroughly.

I can take on ANY Kerry basher out there, from the clueless thumb-sucking Leftie to the Neocon Karl Rove dick-sucking Rightie... give me a reasonable, civil venue to discuss his issues and I would slap and spank any on them with truth and knowledge about his decisions.

[Name removed]

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[Capn Sunshine]

93. well the whole choir is assembled

Don't let me stop you guys from singing hosannas.

[Leilani]

124. Only problem is, they're tone deaf.

[LittleClarkie]

125. Ahem

[Leilani]

126. Please see my post #122

I don't feel very mellow when my state is under assault & threat of tourist boycott.

Where's the love?

[LittleClarkie]

127. Hey now, I'm not in that raiding party

And the whole of DU isn't in it either. Neither is Kerry nor most of the Kerrycrats.

What do the two have to do with each other? Is there an email saying "And now we attack Hawaii" that I missed?

Anyway, for the record, I'm not down with attacking Senators nor their states. I'm not even into Lieberman bashing. I realize there are constituents in these states with issues I know NOTHING about. I'm not happy. But neither will I attack them. OR their states.

The only "Democrat" whose back I DON'T have is Zell's, 'cause I don't think he is one any more.

Sorry people are threatening your state. Some here can be insensitive asshats.

I didn't like it either when people turned on Feingold for a while. He's a very good man who didn't deserve it.

Don't worry. I don't think it will catch on. Near as I've heard, y'all are top of the list for international destinations. That's a hard thing to stop.

[Leilani]

129. Thanks, LittleClarkie

I'm sure most people wouldn't know that after New York, Hawaii was probably the state most hurt financially after 9/11. People were afraid to travel, & most people here make their living in the hospitality industry at low paying jobs.

Recently our newspaper had a story that hotel occupancy has returned to pre 9/11 levels, so it's been a long road to recovery.

Bashing politicians is one thing...they knew what they were in for when they signed up. But the citizens of a state don't need to be the target of someone's ugliness.

And to compound the ugliness, to post an out & out lie, is just beyond me.

We all have our differences, & sometimes we get too worked up & emotional, but there are some who go beyond the boundaries.

[LittleClarkie]

130. Yes they do go beyond the pale sometimes

Btw, it's funny in a way that we're talking about this. I was playing pub trivia a couple of weeks ago, and missed winning because I didn't include Hawaii as a top internation destination BECAUSE of 9/11. I figured you all were still suffering from that and so didn't include you in the top four. I know it was bad for a while because of the flying situation.

Found out I was wrong. Good. Glad to hear it. Keep it up.

[graywarrior]

94. You have to admit Kerry has staying power

What, it's over 3 months since the election and we're still talking about him. What's that tell ya.

[politicasista]

95. People are just bashing him cause their candidate isn't doing much of late

[graywarrior]

96. Better time would be spend bashing Bushieboy

[MoonRiver]

98. I would like to know why you constantly demand allegiance to Kerry.

I will not support Kerry in the Dem primary, but I will vote for him if he gets the nomination again. But, I completely resent having my, non-Kerry, choices for 2008 being negated. I won't re-hatch why I'm permanently disillusioned Kerry, but, at least in the Democratic Party, I would like to think there is some tolerance for personal choice in terms of candidate support. You make it seem like we who don't support Kerry are committing some kind of unpardonable offense.
:wtf:???????????????????????????????????????

[graywarrior]

99. It's not about your dis-allegiance to Kerry

It's your dis-allegiance to the dems. It's about divide and conquer. If we can't stand together to support our own (even tho they may SUCK at times) then we don't stand a chance of winning anything back.

As of now we are in DEEP SHIT because a bunch of assholes all stuck together and voted for a murdering, liar son of a bitch whom they believe is a man of god.

[cornermouse]

132. Its about rhetoric, isn't it.

Same thing the republicans use.

[LittleClarkie]

133. Don't quite get what you're getting at

can you explain further what you mean?

[cornermouse]

134. Use of the word dis-allegiance.

Tainted connotation. Indirect accusations. Sounds like the republican litmus test which they DO have.

The fact is, I'm not really into who's running for 08 other than taking note of votes cast by senators and representatives as a way to rule them out, but I am tired of hearing about Kerry. I wish people would stop pushing him for at least 2 years. It was a horrible election and yes, I believe he was cheated but he was the one who threw in the towel. That was very hard to see and hear.

I was also thinking about the word status quo and how the democrats believe that the old world of my-buddy-from-across-the-aisle still exists. Republican behavior has made it clear that they're fighting an all out war here in the U.S. against the democratic party and the democratic party appears to be mostly unaware of the fact and are trying to hold on to old friendships that no longer exist. That puts the democrats in a very bad position.

I was also thinking about the republican representative's apparent move to pre-screening their audiences...like Bush. Yet another step toward a world where only those who meet certain qualifications (special people) are allowed to attend speeches, conferences. Another step toward a split country.

Also wondering how long before the republicans move to strike down the two term rule. I'm thinking not long.

Thoroughly depressing.

[LittleClarkie]

136. Eh, I think the Kerry people will continue to post his whereabouts

the same as the Deaniacs and the Clarkies etc. etc.

Dean's making speeches, Clinton's making speeches, Kerry's making speeches, Dean's touring around, Clinton and Kerry are putting up amendments and bills, Clark's got a PAC, Kerry's got a PAC, Clinton's got a PAC, several of them use emails.

I think we'll continue to hear from them all. I would hate to see each one bashed with the same old stuff each time THEY pop up either. But I'm sure it will happen just the same.

So I think you will probably continue to see names you don't want to see, especially if the pols connected to those names remain active, and their supporters want to highlight those actions. That's just the way it's gonna be.

I learned to make nice with the Deaniacs, for example, though I had issues with some of them at first. And now Dean is my DNC chair, so I have an interest in him doing well. I prefer to get along if I can. I think that's all most people really want.

[Discord]

176. Well put. nt

[graywarrior]

139. Try to loosen up a bit. Can no one throw out a creative word?

Breathe.

[Mass]

141. I agree with what you said

but I would feel more comfortable if you had said "push anybody". If you go through these forums, he is not the person that is the most pushed and nobody seems to care whether Clinton is pushed or not here, for example.

For my part, I wished people stopped talking about 2008 altogether (and it was not the subject of the original poster btw), but would focus on 2006.

[kerrygoddess]

107. FYI no one mentioned the primary!

This is about NOW! In the Senate, on the Senate Floor. Supporting what he is doing to make a difference. Supporting him supporting new candidates to take back the House and Senate. He's got the damn Democratic Mandate incase you don't get it.

[LittleClarkie]

110. Gee, just one little salute?

Nah, no allegence. No need. No negation. No support for the man necessary.

But if you support ANWR, support the action.

Or if you support children's health care, support the action.

And if you don't support the action, it would be nice if some folks didn't piss on the Wheaties of those who do support the action.

2008 can kiss my shiny metal ass at this point. I don't care if you're voting for Mickey Mouse. But can we leave the "Fuck Kerry in 2008" sentiments in the "Who you voting for in 2008" threads? Can ya do that for a brothah? Errr... sistah?... or something?... ahem... anyway...

[marcologico]

140. here you go!

he's got our back!

[Tigress DEM]

100. I love Kerry and I respect those that don't. Just wish THEY could do same.

Disagree? OK. No bash. OK? OKaaaaay. :think:

[babylonsister]

101. Just to round this out, I

love Kerry still! I never got over being blown away by his intelligence compared to the blivet, or those pix with the babies, or his fabulous wife, kids, step-kids. He's the real deal; he's been there, done that despite the SBVs that sullied his name, despite his trip to Iraq to HEAR the real deal, so I haven't given up!

Edited for some clarity.

[lonestarnot]

106. I love Kerry, but Boxer is climbing my list and of course there's Hillary!

[kerrygoddess]

108. I love BB too

She's my Senator.

[lonestarnot]

109. Oh lucky YOU! I'm stuck with damn Kyle and sucky cheat'n McCain

[politicasista]

112. If there was the first female president, it is Babs

I like her fire! Sorry Hillary.

[LSdemocrat]

111. To me Kerry is just another Democratic Senator. Nothing more, Nothing less

I respect him as a Senator, but I don't think he is entitled to any sort of leadership role or elevated status, and I almost certainly would not vote for him in a presidential primary for reasons I'd really not rather get into here.

He's a good guy, and a solid, but not great, Senator.

[kerrygoddess]

119. Thank you... support his work in the Senate.

That's the point.

[hansolsen]

120. Yup. N/T

[elshiva]

113. Right On!

I LOVE Kerry. Go, Go, Go! Thank God/ess!
You rock kerrygoddess.

[bunny planet]

121. Right here. I love the man.

Kerry/Boxer '08

[Name removed]

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[Califooyah Operative]

135. I support kerry. nt

[marcologico]

138. right here!

Reporting for duty!!



KERRY '08!!!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

143. HERE I AM!!! i still have both my Kerry/Edwards lawn signs out and.....

bumperstickers all over my van...i donate to the DNC and will be in Central Park this saturday!!!

I suport both Kerry and Gore!

[BlueIris]

145. A little late to the party here, but I still love Kerry. n/t

[Discord]

147. Welcome to DU!!!

:hi:

[BlueIris]

153. Aw, thanks.

[Discord]

169. your quite welcome. nt

:)

[Catchawave]

146. Have the veterans groups against Kerry disbanded?

He needs to clean up that mess first. They're still out there spewing their hate for JK, because in their miserable little minds, they are still fighting the Viet Nam war and will never forgive JK.

I should know, I'm married to one :(

[Gyre]

149. I'm sure he's a nice man.

But his performance last year was just not very confidence-inspiring. Hence, why accept a loser as my personal savior?

Gyre

[Laurab]

164. His performance inspired confidence in me - hope, too

particularly when considering the alternative, or the non-"loser", if, as you say, Kerry is a "loser". I don't believe he's a "loser" - I have read enough to convince me that the odds are extremly high that the election was stolen. I admit to being biased - I cannot fathom that the chimp could have honestly won the election. I have read quite a bit about the election "irregularities", and, knowing how Rove & co operate, there is no doubt in my mind that they stole it.

There were some flaws in Kerry's performance last year, yes. There were far bigger flaws in his opponent's performance. Yet, he supposedly "won". The man who can't seem to even form a decent sentence on his own is a winner. Oh, well.

At any rate, no one is suggesting that you accept Kerry as your personal savior, as far as I can see. I believe the point was that he was doing good things to try to keep the "winner" from destroying our country, and that perhaps we should refrain from bashing the people who are trying to do good things. In light of that, why take the opportunity to post that Kerry is a "loser"? The thread was about putting an end to that kind of bashing of good dems - to stop "eating our own". It's not only Kerry, it's others too, and it serves no useful purpose.

I am mystified as to why people take the time to bash Kerry even in a "let's stop bashing our own" thread. I just don't get it. If you don't like the guy, that's fine. What I don't understand is what you get out of posting what a loser he is, in a thread that essentially is saying that that kind of bashing is doing the rethugs work for them. I dunno, maybe it makes people feel better, but I just don't get it. :shrug:

[dandrhesse]

150. don't overlook and important point. If it was already made, sorry I didn't

read the whole thread. Kerry got 260,000 signatures in last than 48 hours, on a single issue that no everyone is aware of and it didn't have the buzz words Vets, Iraq, Terrorism, Social Security or NCLB attached to it. That is a heck of a lot of people. It is 100,000 more people than we have securing the entire country of Iraq!

[kerrygoddess]

152. Actually in about 24 hours...

Yes, it is a heck of a lot of people.

His Kids First Act petition has well a half million signatures. All the action alerts he has sent out in recent months have gotten phenomenal support and response. Everything he is working towards is stuff he campaigned on.

[kerrygoddess]

155. Read his on JK.com about the petition...

Yesterday, we saw a relentless Republican attack on one of our most treasured natural wonders sneak through the Senate on a 51 to 49 vote. But, we also saw more than 260,000 Americans act in less than 24 hours to add their names to our Citizens Roll Call in favor of protecting the Arctic Refuge.
It was the first time ever that I or anyone else could stand on the Senate floor and announce that, in a day's time, a quarter of a million Americans had gone online to express their passionate support for a given course of action.

http://www.johnkerry.com/

[toad12]

151. Love Kerry, Hillary and Boxer!

Let's not fight each other, we have more important issues to worry about. 2008 is a long way away, anything can happen between now and then.

[politicasista]

161. Welcome toad12

:hi:

[lojasmo]

154. I've got your back - nevermind, I quit. EOM

[MarianJack]

156. BRAVO!

Well said. I've been an admirer of JK for 35 years now. Whatever shortcomings some may believe he has, he gets a HUGE benefit if the doubt from me every time. I owe him AT LEAST that much!

Since I consider him to be very instrumental in our being out of Vietnam before I was of draft age, I believe I may owe him (and many others) my life. No JK bashing from me or mine!

[marcologico]

165. Remember the Clinton theme song?

"Don't stop thinkin' about tomorrow!"

I think it was his reelection theme song. Anyway it'll soon be here and we better be ready.

KERRY '08!!



He's got our back!!!

[Discord]

166. And then thier in other threads...

CLAIMING they are not shoving Kerry '08 down our throats.


hypocrites

[Mass]

167. Boxer 08 - Feingold 08???

You have one poster promoting Kerry08 and you generalize to all Kerry supporters. But I dont see any irritation for those people who have Boxer08 or Feingold08 in their thread. Surprisingly, we dont see you intervening in these threads.

The truth is that I found your other post fairly good when I read it (about Kerry uprooar) and I realize now that it was all hypocrisy. You would prefer not see Kerry appear at all. If this is the case, say so.

[Discord]

168. Nope. But if you view the Reguarding the Kerry uproar thread

I was just pointing out to someone who claimed no one was touting the Kerry for '08 aroud the boards. Not only did he have the sig, but he WROTE....

Kerry in '08


Was just catching someone in a lie

Like I responded to you in that same thread. I would prefer the NO ONE pitch ANY candidates for '08.

[lojasmo]

170. ABK! EOM

[marcologico]

171. That would be Jeb.

But it's your vote. :)

[lojasmo]

172. There will be other candidates. EOM

[LittleClarkie]

173. ABB or ABC for me

Anybody but Biden

or

Anybody but Clinton

haven't decided yet which it is. Right now it's Little Joe.

[lojasmo]

174. Yeah, I guess I should ABNDC EOM

[LittleClarkie]

177. M-O-U-S-E

Okay, you got me. What the heck does ABNDC stand for?

[marcologico]

178. It means "Anyone but Nader, Dean or Clinton" (n/t)

[lojasmo]

179. new democrats' coalition. EOM

[Dr Fate]

175. Kerry gets better & better- but he has plenty of room for improvement.

As do most members of our party.

I stand behind Kerry when he does good, I put down my pom-poms and complain when I think he does bad.

Learn to live with that.

[Blue_In_AK]

180. I will always love John Kerry... n/t

[consciousobjector]

181. me too!.....n/t

[chomskysright]

182. SORRY BABY: where was he when our votes were not being counted? ....

this is critical: was his Senator's job so sacred to him, was his Vietnam era complaining and kicking sand in the bully's face----so LOST to him that he couldn't find the gumption to ask what had happened to our votes?

sorry, won't wash. He'll never get my support again.

I thought he was perfectly OK to be president but I ain't going there again.

[marcologico]

183. 1. Litigating (KE v. OH) 2. Legislating 3. chomskyiswrong (links below):

1. Litigating (Kerry-Edwards vs. Blackwell):
link: http://rawstory.com/exclusives/kerry_ohio_suit_1215.php

2. Legislating: http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/dfiles/file_493.pdf

3. Chomsky is way wrong: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3263011

[Bill Mahar]

184. right here

[PresidentObama]

185. Why Do People Say Where Was Kerry When Votes Were Counted?

Kerry/Edwards is STILL battling in Ohio, and other places to get ALL votes counted. To me that doesn't make sense.

People bash Kerry because he lost a election. Democrats seem to be really harsh on their losers. Being as he was less then 100,000 from unseating a incumbent during war time, raised more money then any Democratic candidate in history, got more votes not only then Gore but then any Democratic candidate ever, and energized the party I say he 100% deserves another run for the Presidency.

Kerry bashers, while are invading the internet, aren't the average voter. The average voter still has a good impression of Kerry, which is seen in Kerry's strong showing the polls against Hillary and the other possible 2008 candidates.

[angryinoville]

187. I like what Kerry's doing in the senate...

but I want to put my support behind Wes Clark for '08. Outside of that, I think Kerry's been fighting the good fight in the senate.

[wallock]

188. Kerry is a great senator and a great guy but....

The only posts I have seen that are really negative are about how future candidates can do better and not make the same mistakes he did. Being the best politician in the world has nothing to do with being the best candidate. No one is mad or upset with him, I think people are just reflecting on why he lost and what we can do to improve our chances next time.

I have a tremendous amount of respect for him. Hell, I worked for the guy and put together and hosted an event for his two step sons. OT - Chris Heinz gave me $50 in the green room on campus for putting the event together because 'life is hard as a college student'. I tried to give it back and he laughed, almost to say 'I am a billionaire, I don't need it'. Pretty cool experience, and both were great guys.

[marcologico]

189. Better hope the IRS isn't listening!

Good story. But where do you think the campaign went wrong? Are you thinking of SBVT or something else?