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Northern Perspective Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:27 PM
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History Will Absolve Me
...or "the end justifies the means."

Interesting summary of Rice's (and the Bush White House's) Hegelian view of the world. It might explain why they are so contemptuous of any opinion/evidence contrary to their own.

Hegel himself referred to history as "a slaughter bench on which the happiness of individuals was sacrificed." (Anyone else feeling like a pawn yet?)

Secretary of State Rice, at her recent confirmation hearing, in response to a question from Senator Biden:

“I said yesterday, Senator, we've made a lot of decisions in this period of time. Some of them have been very good. Some of them have not been very good. Some of them have been bad decisions, I'm sure. I know enough about history to stand back and to recognize that you judge decisions not at the moment but in how it all adds up. And that's just strongly the way I feel about big historical changes. I'm being as straightforward with you as I possibly can.”


Rice said it. She and B*** believe it. The article goes on to put the practical proceeds of this world-view in a current context.

"The capacity of history to absolve political actors is a cynical and immoral doctrine. No one can know for sure how political decisions will turn out. Iraq may emerge as a stable democracy. Yet that fact would not justify having gone to war in spring 2003 based on false premises. It would not excuse the woeful lack of preparation for battle after the major combat operations. Nor would such success justify the use of torture. Nor would it absolve the leading officials of the Bush administration, including Rice, who declined to share their uncertainties about the facts in Iraq with the public. Nor would it excuse their decision to allow rampant speculation that Saddam had something to do with September 11 to percolate among Americans. Nor would it render moot their assertions, made with far more confidence than the facts allowed, that the threat was so imminent that a war could not be delayed until fall 2003 or spring 2004."

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Rice's views are particularly problematic now. How can our diplomats win a war of ideas against Muslim totalitarianism when their boss flirts with a view of history that, for decades, was used to rationalize the worst injustices of totalitarian regimes? Hegel and the Hegelians of the twentieth century were wrong: The prospect of future success does not absolve leaders from responsibility for contemporary error. Nor does it offer a standard by which American foreign policy should be judged."

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?pt=9rTHeTWgLsUfYymK1vJtMx==
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:54 PM
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1. The tortoise and the hare
:grr:
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 12:12 AM
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2. that was the title of Castro's famous speech
Edited on Sun Feb-13-05 12:13 AM by imenja
during his trial for the raid on the Moncada Army Barracks (1953). Someone should point out to Rice her rhetorical predecessors.

"I know that imprisonment will be harder for me than it has ever been for anyone, filled with cowardly threats and hideous cruelty. But I do not fear prison, as I do not fear the fury of the miserable tyrant who took the lives of 70 of my comrades. Condemn me. It does not matter. History will absolve me."

http://www.marxists.org/history/cuba/archive/castro/1953/10/16.htm

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Northern Perspective Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 12:54 AM
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5. You're absolutely right
I used it as her rhetorical precedent - as did the author of the article to which I was linking. Suffice it to say, it's not a rationale one should be able to rely upon without being called out on it. (And, oh, how I wish someone had drawn the allusion at that hearing.)
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 01:51 AM
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7. Bush used Dostoevsky in the State of the Union speech
Edited on Sun Feb-13-05 01:57 AM by imenja
There was an interesting on line piece by Justin Raimundo on Bush's use of the phrase "a fire in the mind."
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=4515

The problem with the author's invocation of Castro's speech and communism is that Castro was not yet a communist in 1953. Cuba's Revolution was an anti-imperialist one. Most historians see Castro as having moved toward communism after rather than before the revolution. Despite some of the neo-cons, like Wolfowitz, previous affiliations with socialism, it is the authoritarian aspect of Castro's state that provides a better parallel with the Bush administration's use of power than communism itself.
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Northern Perspective Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 02:24 AM
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8. My point, too
Yep. Totalitarianism is totalitarianism - from either side of the ledger.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 12:27 AM
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3. The age-old motto of thieves, liars, and murderers throughout time
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 12:47 AM
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4. Isn't she a little young to be tidying up her obit?
And if she's just trying to spin W's "legacy," that's a lost cause.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 01:10 AM
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6. More info and links
That looks like an important article. I think the NeoCons cannot be properly understood or appreciated without some understanding of their sociopathic mentor -- Leo Strauss. Here's some additional information about the Straussians, some of it absolutely must reading:

NEO-CONS
One more time: LEO STRAUSS AND THE NEO-CONS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=7200&forum=DCForumID70&archive=yes
WAKE UP! - Strauss / Neocons and Terror PLUS dire warnings
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1780890#1781801

Leo Strauss and the Noble Lie: The Neo-Cons at War
http://www.logosjournal.com/mason.htm

Straussian.net -- Leo Strauss and the History of Political Thought
(with Discussion Forums! Book Reviews and a News Blog)
http://www2.bc.edu/~wilsonop/strauss.html

Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception
By Jim Lobe, AlterNet. Posted May 19, 2003.
http://www.alternet.org/story/15935
linked to from this thread: Has Straussian ideology permeated the GOP?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2121269#2122935

Eurolegal Services - Neoconservatives
http://www.eurolegal.org/useur/usneocon.htm

Wikepedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
U.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_%28United_States%29
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