John McCain, 9/11 Official Conspiracy Theorist Nutjob

[JackRiddler]

The very dangerous Republican candidate for president

-- and well-known nutjob (for example: believer in the implicit theory that drilling offshore will magically produce new, non-existent reserves that solve the energy crisis)

-- is also author of the Foreword to the Popular Mechanics hit-job on 9/11 "truth" (i.e., attack on a variety of strawmen for the most part avoiding issues of the 9/11 cover-up).

In this foreword, McCain cuts straight to the chase: the attackers of the OCT didn't do it because of US policies, such as bombing various countries in the ME and denying the peoples there their basic rights. No, it was because they hate our freedoms (or the fact that "we are united in a kinship of values"). He also finds immediate reason in the first few paragraphs to celebrate the roll-back of our individual rights at home and, it seems to me, by way of a codeword, the genocide practiced on the Iraqi people ("advocated reform in calcified societies.")

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/3491861.html?page=3

Senator John McCain

Foreword

No American living today will forget what happened on September 11, 2001. Each of us will remember how the serenity of that bright morning was destroyed by a savage atrocity, an act so hostile we could scarcely imagine any human being capable of it. The realization sank into the hearts of every one of us: America was vulnerable and under attack. On September 11, evil literally took flight.

But as 19 men showed the world their worst, we Americans displayed what makes our country great: courage and heroism, compassion and generosity, unity and resolve. We were united, first in sorrow and anger, then in recognition that we were attacked not for a wrong we had done, but for who we are--a people united in a kinship of ideals, committed to the notion that the people are sovereign, and that people everywhere, no matter what their race or country or religion, possess certain universal and inalienable rights. In that moment, we were not different races. We were not poor or rich. We were not Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative. We were not two countries.

We were Americans.

As Americans, we acted swiftly. We liberated Afghanistan from the murderous rule of the Taliban, our attackers' proud hosts. We chased Al Qaeda around the globe. We revamped our homeland security, reorganized our intelligence community, and advocated reform in calcified societies.

Given that this is a site devoted to McCain's defeat in the election, I thought it very important to alert everyone on this site about this particular detail about the guy!

[Bolo Boffin]

1. What do you know?

McCain managed to get one single thing right -- what happened on 9/11.

It's a pretty easy thing to understand, granted, so the accomplishment isn't that much.

[MinM]

2. "The New Pearl Harbor"==>War without end agenda...

seems to fit Ben and Mikey Chertoff's boy, John Sydney McCain III, pretty well.:shrug:

Ben Chertoff can't get his story straight
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x141477


http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/08/chertoff.html

Georgia War: A Neocon Election Ploy?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x376729

Remember when Saddam complained to April Glaspie about Kuwait slantdrilling?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3793980

Can't find WMD in Iraq? Plant it?-by Larisa Alexandrovna
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3788082

U.S. hidden hand pushes Ossetia war
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x376716

[jberryhill]

3. I hear he also wears pants!

That's it. No pants for me from now on.

So which of PM's points, Jack, are tainted?

There was no plane at the Pentagon?

The WTC towers were CD?

Please point out which of the "debunked" assertions in the PM article are actually true.

[Bolo Boffin]

4. It's sad, isn't it?

I know that Jack and his friends think that McCain's endorsement of what happened on 9/11 is this horrible thing, but the rest of the world doesn't see it like that.

It tears me up inside...

[jberryhill]

5. I don't care

....I'm done with pants.

[noise]

13. Where are the 28 classified pages of the Joint Inquiry

report dealing with the involvement of Saudi officials? Why is the CIA IG report still classified? Why did the 9/11 Commission decide to release some of their supporting evidence in January 2009?

McCain is selling authoritarianism. Sadly, too many citizens fall for this nonsense.

[HamdenRice]

6. You're trying to make a logical analogy

to impress people who have no grasp of logic whatsoever. Your post is basically a QED, but the people it's aimed at are constitutionally unable to grasp your point.

[William Seger]

8. Say huh?

Apparently, I'm constitutionally unable to grasp your point, HR. What was it?

[JackRiddler]

9. The analogy is to Corsi...

For some reason it's supposed to discredit 9/11 skeptics (or even concern them) that a Rovian, anti-Obama disinformation perpetrator like Corsi also doesn't believe the official 9/11 story.

By the same logic... I think you can fill out the analogy to McCain.

It's amusing that all of the rote arguments against "conspiracy theory" (which operate by associating skepticism with the most extreme or unsavory advocates, by strawman argument, or by invocation of abstractions like confirmation bias or "Occam's Razor") can be applied analogously to the official story side.

[William Seger]

10. I wasn't asking about your analogy

I was asking what HamdenRice's "point" was, but okay...

> "For some reason it's supposed to discredit 9/11 skeptics (or even concern them) that a Rovian, anti-Obama disinformation perpetrator like Corsi also doesn't believe the official 9/11 story."

It appears to me that the purpose of Bolo's video is to discredit Corsi by associating him with Alex Jones and his 9/11 nonsense. Your "logical analogy" would then be based on a false premise.

> "It's amusing that all of the rote arguments against "conspiracy theory" (which operate by associating skepticism with the most extreme or unsavory advocates, by strawman argument, or by invocation of abstractions like confirmation bias or "Occam's Razor") can be applied analogously to the official story side."

Sorry, I gotta disagree again. The arguments against the theories distributed by the vast majority of the "truth movement" generally center on the fact that they ask is to believe highly implausible things with no credible evidence, while claiming that all the evidence we have was faked. No, you can't just reverse that and say those arguments can be "applied anlogously to the official story side." Facts will get in your way.

You once again accuse the PM article of attacking strawmen, which I remember we discussed once before. Those theories were not in any way strawmen; they are real theories advocated by real people on an uncountable number of web pages. That those folks don't happen to live in your small neighborhood in Trutherville doesn't make them strawmen.

[HamdenRice]

14. Why do you insist that Bush takes his guidance directly from Jesus?

Pat Robertson believes the official story;

Pat Robertson says Bush is directly guided by Jesus;

Therefore everyone who believes the official story also believes that Bush takes his guidance directly from Jesus.

Like Jack said.

Yawn.

[William Seger]

16. LOL

I think you lost the plot again, HamdenRice.

[jberryhill]

12. I think you got that backwards...

The Corsi video is clearly not directed at discrediting 9/11 skeptics.

But it is interesting how you managed to get the point of it 180 degrees around.

[seemslikeadream]

17. No you have it wrong

it was posted to lump all of us with Corsi, you know that I know that and eveyone here knows that.

It is a tactic I have see somewhere before using a different word ..........

[Bolo Boffin]

15. You've got it backwards

Corsi is tainted further by his connection to 9/11 Truth silliness. That's my point in the video. Indeed, it's so clear that only the desperate could claim otherwise.

[Grateful for Hope]

7. Interesting

how some posters feel the need to defend this one action of McCain's.

IMO, the fact that he felt the need to write a forward to the article that should have stood on it's own merit says a lot, IMO.

This:

No, it was because they hate our freedoms (or the fact that "we are united in a kinship of values"). He also finds immediate reason in the first few paragraphs to celebrate the roll-back of our individual rights at home and, it seems to me, by way of a codeword, the genocide practiced on the Iraqi people ("advocated reform in calcified societies.")

also says a lot about McCain. He is nothing more than a mouth piece for Bush. I don't understand those who agree with McCain's assessment that it was ok, for instance, to "celebrate the roll-back of our individual rights at home".

[seemslikeadream]

11. John McCain, 9/11 Official Conspiracy Theorist Nutjob