Why Were the 9/11 Terrorists Seen on Abramoff's Sun Cruz Casino Boats?

[The Cleaner]

I realize this has been posted on DU before...but always nice to have a refresher for the newbies.

Anyone care to connect the dots?

SunCruz Casinos turns over documents in terrorist probe

TAMPA, Fla. - SunCruz Casinos has turned over photographs and other documents to FBI investigators after employees said they recognized some of the men suspected in the terrorist attacks as customers.

Michael Hlavsa, chairman of the gambling cruise company, said Wednesday two or three men linked to the Sept. 11 hijackings may have been customers on a ship that sailed from Madeira Beach on Florida's gulf coast.

9/26/01 By VICKIE CHACHERE Associated Press Writer and Florida Times-Union

Source: http://www.casinowatch.org/terrorists/terrorists_at_casinos.html

[seemslikeadream]

1. Boulis Investigation Dredges Up Big Names - Abramoff

Boulis Investigation Dredges Up Big Names - Abramoff
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1839596

[MinM]

36. Bebe Rebozo

Before Jack Abramoff there was

Bebe Rebozo

[Name removed]

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[SpiralHawk]

3. The American people have a right to know

and the corporate butt-lick media has a resposibility to GET OFF ITS frikkin KNEES
and tell us.

[Sinti]

4. They wanted to party it up - not uncommon for young men - though

not normal for maniacally religious young men bent on martyrdom. So many extremely uncomfortable questions, so little time...

[ljm2002]

5. And what about Rudi Dekker...

...whose was pals with Mohammed Atta (a taxi driver remembers driving them to a night club, and how friendly they were), until 9/11 happened -- then Jeb quickly (like, on 9/11/2001) moved to grab all of the records (has anyone heard ANYTHING about what was found there? thought not...) -- and then, lo and behold, Dekkers was in a helicopter crash, which he survived -- and then, the INS deported him. How convenient.

[thingfisher]

8. to many dots

I recently e-mailed a reporter to ask why we have had so little follow up on the Abramoff case(s) and that it seemed there was a lot of juice yet to be wrung from the story(s). His reply was that the story was already overreported!
In this fast paced world the poor overburdened reporter is just running to keep up with all the late-breaking news that we Americans need to be informed of. Connect the dots? Hell! They can barely keep up with reporting the appearance of new dots and we expect them to connect them too!!!
This is part of the problem with modern "journalism". When stories need to be neatley packagd in a short sound bite with pictures (even if it is only a dumb reporter standing in front od an empty government building at 11PM). With the onrush of news incidents to keep up with no one even expects to hear much follow-up reporting. That's why we have internet sites like DU.
Thanks for reposting the story. If it is up to the populace to connect the dots so be it. Only once the dots are connected lets see some honest interpretarion of the evidence and some obvious conclusions drawn on which to expect appropriate action being taken by the authorities (not that they are to be trusted, AHEM!). Will the populace eventually be forced to take appropriate action as well as connect the dots?

[thingfisher]

10. Why Abramoff's boat

It could all be a coincidence after all. But the problem with unexamined co-incidences is that they take on a significance in relation to each other as patterns begin to emerge that suggests connections between people and events. Look a t all the co-incidences surrounding the JFK, RFK, MLK assasinations. Had they been openly investigated from the start we would have a better understanding of history.
Perhaps the value of "not knowing for sure" is that it leaves us free from taking action. It bothers me, though, that we are in a constant state of "not knowing for sure" in this modern day America. Maybe it makes it easier for 'the people' to go on about their daily business and dismiss the obsessive scrutiny of others into these unresolved mysteries as "conspiracy theorists", "tin foli hatters", etc.
There's something rotten in Denmark, boys so either hold your nose and swallow or clear the air!

[AntiFascist]

12. I keep thinking we should be more focused on drug connections...

because that is where I see a lot of repeating patterns:

Rumors that drug dealers around New York clubs knew something was about to go down before 9/11 happened.

The DEA report about foreign agents shadowing the hijackers and infiltrating DEA offices around the country.

Atta's connection to drug-running airplanes in Florida.

The money-laundering nexus of Arab banks and connections to drug dealing.

The use of casinos for dispensing laundered cash.

The BCCI connections and Iran/Contra involvement in drug dealing.

[mirandapriestly]

14. There are no coincidences

only the illusion of coincidences.
(That was in V for Vendetta, I don't know exactly where they got it, though)

[KittyWampus]

6. One of my favorite queries...and someone already mentioned Dekker

the magic dutchmen.

[ck4829]

7. Normally, the response is that they wanted to look American

They drank, snorted cocaine, etc. all in an attempt to NOT look like Islamic terrorists.

But, WHY Abramoff's boat?

[file83]

13. So THAT'S what the 9/11 terrorists did with that $100,000 dollar wire

transfer from Pakistan. They needed party money before they "checked" out. And what better way to make sure their last hurrah was a "safe one" than to have them party on the cruise ships owned by their GOP handlers?

[AntiFascist]

9. Because 9/11 was not an inside job...

it was handled by the neocon mafia:

[thingfisher]

11. Thanks, we needed that!

:evilgrin:

[leftofthedial]

15. MIHOP

MIHOP

[wildbilln864]

16. excellent question!

MIHOP!

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

17. kick

[mhatrw]

18. Good question. Why isn't anybody in our federal government asking it?

[wildbilln864]

19. that's what I been

screamin! :hi:

[ftr23532]

20. Here's a Hopsicker interview on these Casinos

This was an intereview with Dave Emory from October of 2005...it's an interesting listen with lots of ties into Abramoff and even some info on Able Danger. Here's http://wfmu.org/listen.ram?show=21450&archive=32090">the link.

[DoYouEverWonder]

21. Because these gambling boats to nowhere

are great places to launder cash.

Of course HS and the FBI are investigating this fully. :sarcasm:

[wildbilln864]

22. Things...

that make you go hmmm!?

[frylock]

23. another money trail thread utterly ignored by resident OCTers

:kick:

[wildbilln864]

24. I hope to see thie new Dem congress....

doggedly persue these matters but I won't hold my breath!
:hi:

[ftr23532]

25. And don't forget that Abromoff buddies Norquist and Safavian lobbied for the Muslim Brotherhood

Both Grover Norquist and David Safavian helped start the Muslim Brotherhood/Saudi backed Islamic Institute, which is closely tied to the SAAR Network (aka Safa Trust) and al-Taqwa group. Norquist and Safavian also started a lobbying group, Janus-Meritt, that lobbied for Jamal Barzinji, who helped start the SAAR Network/Safa Trust and is personally close to Youssef Nada, a director of the http://fortherecordessays.blogspot.com/2006/11/part-3-down-al-taqwa-rabbit-hole-so_11.html">nazi/far-Rightist infested al-Taqwa group. Here's http://fortherecordessays.blogspot.com/2006/11/part-4-american-brotherhood-we-just_11.html">some info on Norquist's ties to the Islamic Institute (goto the "Friends in High Places" article) and the first article http://fortherecordessays.blogspot.com/2006/11/part-13-its-jungle-in-here-and-it_11.html">here has some info on how Janus-Meritt worked with these guys. Abramoff's ties to Norquist go way back, and Safavian was the first to go down in the Abramoff scandals, so it's just some more interesting info to add to the mix.

[ftr23532]

26. And here I went and forgot another Norquist buddy: Faisal Gill

He was a White House appointee was given the position of policy director for the DHS's intelligence division that gave him access to top-secret information regarding the security of our sea ports, aviation facilities, and nuclear power plants. Here's a http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/06/22/gill/print.html?pn=1">2004 Salon article about him that discusses Norquist's patronage of Gill. The primary concerns are with Gill's ties to Abdurahman Alamoudi, a politically-connected Muslim Brotherhood member that was in charge of the military's Muslim chaplain program for a while. Alamoudi was also charged with terror-financing-related money-laundering and eventually given a http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36718-2004Oct15.html">23 year prison sentence for a bizarre plot involving the assassination of the King of Saudi Arabia.

There's a Dave Emory show about that whole case. Here's the http://ftrsummary.blogspot.com/2004_07_29_ftrsummary_archive.html">text summary, and here's the http://wfmu.org/listen.ram?show=12045">audio.

[Twist_U_Up]

27. Anyone care to connect the dots?

[Bonobo]

28. Didn't Bush have Ney fired for investigating Abramoff? Hmm...

[Twist_U_Up]

29.

anyone ? :shrug:

[wildbilln864]

30. Kick!

:hi:

[wildbilln864]

31. merely a cincidence?

nope!

[Contrite]

32. Ask Greenberg Traurig -- ask AIG

Where did Abramoff work? Greenberg-Traurig.

Who represented Bush in the 2000 election recount? Greenberg-Traurig.

Who hired Scalia's kid one day before he cast the deciding vote? Greenberg-Traurig.

Who represents Jeb Bush? Greenberg-Traurig.

Who insured the WTC and then resold the contract to their competitors, who got stuck with Silverstein's huge payout? AIG.

Who bought the Dubai Ports World US interests? AIG.

Who founded AIG? Hank Greenberg.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=148513&mesg_id=148639

Towers Taken Down for Profit and to Blame Muslims

Given the involvement of the Greenbergs and Silverstein, and other commercial entities that stood to profit hugely, it is difficult to believe 9/11 occurred at the hands of 19 rag-tag Muslims with box-cutters and the help of their leader, Osama bin Laden, sitting in a cave somewhere in Afghanistan with his laptop and dialysis equipment. The real reasons behind 9/11 were financial greed and the willingness to demonize Muslims for the “Pearl Harbor-type” act that would instigate America to wage a war on terror, pursuing PNAC’s (Project for a New American Century) goal of World Hegemony.

The latest documentary on the WTC, The 911 Mysteries from 911WeKnow.com, provides highly convincing proof that the buildings were taken down in six fatal steps. They involved the use of high-powered explosives, including thermite and/or thermate, with techniques more advanced than those of traditional controlled-demolition companies, most likely the military’s, given their bunker buster technology. The six steps are . . .

1. Pre-collapse sub-basement explosions
2. Pre-collapse interior blasts
3. Pre-collapse ground level explosions
4. Top level collapse initiation
5. Mid Collapse Squibs (explosions)
6. Final time-delayed rolls (explosions)

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1261.shtml

There is much, much more. Read at links above.

[Norrin Radd]

33. It's interesting, noting which regulars of the dungeon

who aren't touching this thread with a ten foot pole.

[Bolo Boffin]

34. Sigh.

So Abramoff needed better bouncers?

[wildbilln864]

35. nope!

There's no coincidence there. :eyes:

[leftofthedial]

37. nothing to see here

move along

[ShaneGR]

38. I'm guessing they got on the SunCruz boat in Lauderdale

Since they lived in Delray and Hollywood Beach, that makes sense. Thousands of people road those boats every week.