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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 02:05 AM Original message |
'Israel Lobby' bad for Israel, the U.S. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 02:08 AM Response to Original message |
1. Much ado about a crappy, poorly written screed... |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 02:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. But nothing about the main point of what he wrote... |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 02:39 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. agree and disagree |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 12:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
28. So nothing wrong with calling them out when they "really miss the mark" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 02:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 02:53 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Did I say I support AIPAC? |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 02:58 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Then, I'd like to hear you condemn AIPAC |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 02:59 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I will...as soon as I hear you praise Israel. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 03:16 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Deep breath. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 03:25 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. ... |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 03:31 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Okay. So, what is too "hawkish" and how do they get Israel's best |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 03:42 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Hawk |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 09:52 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. After the OSP-AIPAC case, AIPAC is damaged goods |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 03:57 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. americans.. |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 09:20 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. I don't think most americans even know what aipac is.. |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 10:01 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. I know at least 537 Americans know what AIPAC is.... |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 03:01 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Amazing though, we post things by Jimmy Carter, |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 03:09 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Your point?! |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 03:03 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Exactly, you did not say anything about AIPAC. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 03:10 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. The OP was started because of that stupid "academic" piece. |
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ShalachEtAmi (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 06:53 AM Response to Reply #7 |
21. Seems Like a lot of Democratic Party members support AIPAC.. |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 09:22 AM Response to Reply #7 |
24. Please |
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anitar1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
2. Thank You , Tom Joad and thanks to Rabbi Warshal. |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 02:26 AM Response to Original message |
3. Excellent that this has been given prominence. |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 02:33 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Wait to you see this space by Thursday afternoon |
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ShalachEtAmi (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 06:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
32. Some people really like the `us and them` part of the whole debate.. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 11:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. yes we are the "them" |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 12:51 AM Response to Reply #32 |
40. It has nothing to do with "Jewish peoples", the topic is on |
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ShalachEtAmi (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 07:26 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Thats where your wrong..Israel has EVERYTHING to do with The Jewish people |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 09:37 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Superman, are you saying that |
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ShalachEtAmi (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:08 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. My nick is ShalachEtAmi NOT Superman... |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 07:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Does Israel have anything to do with the 20% plus of its population |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 03:29 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. no... |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 11:25 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. When questioning AIPAC - one should try to be surgical |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 03:40 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Challenging JCRC & AIPAC is part of the First Amendment. |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 04:17 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. I am very familiar with Rabbi Warshal |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 04:33 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Interesting family history. No references re ADL or JCRC |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 04:53 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I worked with ADL and JCRC on school integration |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 05:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. JCRC/ADL is also supporting current Israel policies. |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. So, are you actually saying that |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 05:19 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. No. eom |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 05:22 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. You are invited |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 07:54 AM Response to Reply #32 |
42. yeah, some people thrive on it... |
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ShalachEtAmi (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 09:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. Its a cultural and ethnic thing that we have.. |
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Agony (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 04:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. I am tired of the us and them. |
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Agony (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 05:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I find myself falling into this trap |
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anoraksia53 (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 08:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
43. Yes I agree |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 06:34 AM Response to Original message |
20. Can you believe how long it took to tame this wild elephant? |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
22. Mearsheimer and Walt's "blistering critique" of the Jewish lobby |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
27. A debate between Rabbi Warshal and Bennie Morris |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
29. See "What seems to be missing/lost/ignored in the AIPAC threads" |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 05:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Misreading of above post. |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 05:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. No - you are misreading |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 07:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. AIPAC is not fighting for universal health care. |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 08:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Every time someone goes "over the top" |
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4freethinking (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 09:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Say what you |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 10:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Your link says |
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4freethinking (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 11:30 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Okay then tell me |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 12:21 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. I do think there are other groups that support war with Iraq, and Iran |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 11:16 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. At last - reasonable communication |
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SeaBob (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
51. M&W |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 09:39 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. It ranks with Pimentel and Padzek, and Lavie |
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