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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 10:05 AM Original message |
Our view: Guns on campus could harm more than protect (USA Today) |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
1. Not a big issue... nothing will change on campus just like nothing changed in the rest of public. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Famous last words - this is opposed by the vast majority of university employees |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Tyranny of the majority does not override Civil Rights. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. You do not ahve a civil right to bring a gun into an airport departure lounge or an airline cabin |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. And in those locations, EVERYBODY is screened for guns before entering |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Not so - airline cabins are gun-free (except for air marshals) to protect public safety |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. It is so... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Why do republics want to turn college campuses into NRA social laboratories? |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
30. Why do you want to restrict the constitutional rights of college students? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 10:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
60. Because constitutional rights do not apply to everyone everywhere. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. "Your constitutional rights end when you step on ... federal property"???? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 11:54 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Did I say that? Got me there. Shame on me |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 12:08 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Employees are very different than the public, yes.. |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 08:29 AM Response to Reply #60 |
71. BZZZ. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #60 |
77. On private property |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #60 |
78. Actually, depending on the state you live in, |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Hey another good reason not to live in the Republic of Texas |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. What state are you in |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. *hint* it's the same way in other states.. |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. I'm pretty sure that either Alabama or Arkansas |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Arkansas has the notification, but it's not trespassing. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 11:25 PM Response to Reply #60 |
94. Forty states are shall issue. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
50. Please tell us which of these republics |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #13 |
70. That is an EXCELLENT conclusion. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
52. Easy. Implement screening |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Implement screening |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Hey, it works at the airports and federal buildings and most people are OK with that |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 08:29 AM Response to Reply #58 |
72. Ahh yes. The old slippery slope |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #72 |
81. Right, like people are getting shot, so lets go out and buy more guns |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. But wait! the Founders didn't expressly forbid guns in airports! |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. No, you don't. Sorry. n/t |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. Are you saying that people try to FORCE guns on you when you enter |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
25. I do if I own the aircraft and airport. n/t |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
49. "I have a civil right to be free from guns in public places" |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 08:23 AM Response to Reply #6 |
69. Still waiting for that explanation of how you determine what is and is not a right. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
93. No, you don't have that as a right. It is nothing more than a wish of yours. N/T |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
24. What a load of codswallop! |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. "Tyranny of the Majority"... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. Sorry, but RKBA is not a civil right |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Congress would disagree... even they refer to RKBA as a civil right. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. So the rest of the Bill of Rights are not civil rights? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 12:14 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Absolutely not, not one of them |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 06:48 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. So what do you consider civil rights? |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 08:40 AM Response to Reply #64 |
75. No, they were civil rights being infringed. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. Those are human rights and you are correct |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. I must disagree, on definition. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. So how does a society record and declare those civil rights they want to endow? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Or by amending said constitution |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. But they are civil rights until they are amended, right? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 01:54 AM Response to Reply #92 |
97. No, they are constitutional rights until amended |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 06:12 AM Response to Reply #97 |
99. But since a constitution is how civil rights are endowed |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. You are not the only one confused, but you are correct in asking |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. And you exercise a right first written with a quill pen and printed on a hand press... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. It evolves constantly as it is challenged |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 01:54 AM Response to Reply #101 |
105. I have to take issue with a number of assertions on your part |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #64 |
80. See post 54... you are incorrect. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. I don't |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 08:37 AM Response to Reply #51 |
74. You understand that guns are an equalizer, no? |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 08:31 AM Response to Reply #24 |
73. Show me a populace that is not armed. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
59. Show me where carrying a gun in public is a civil right. |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Right. Like college learning environments are destroyed in all those locations |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. They *never* discuss the colleges THAT ALREADY ALLOW THIS, do they? |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. It really is amazing |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
48. "Gun-toters want to destroy college learning environments." |
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high_and_mighty (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 07:58 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. The editorial did mention Utah. |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 08:20 AM Response to Reply #2 |
68. You are a liar. |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
4. Of course. Anyone with logical reasoning ability understands this. |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
5. unrec - alert |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. It's an editorial |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
8. Yes, but making campuses free-fire zones is a small price to pay |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
32. Why would they become free-fire zones? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
16. No, it wasn't rejected in 2009.. |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
17. Unrec for dishonest reporting |
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high_and_mighty (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 04:00 AM Response to Reply #17 |
65. The editorial mentioned Utah |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
19. I'm not anti-gun, but worry about armed drunked up college students on Friday and Saturday nights.nt |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. There are almost never on-campus parties. |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. They do go back to their dorms after the parties. I live and work in a college town and a lot |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Simple - don't allow guns to be stored in the dorms |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Yes, most of the first and second year students live in dorms, but not allowing them to have guns |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Again, what is stopping them now? n/t |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Nothing. I'm sure guns aren't allowed on campus here. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 11:41 PM Response to Reply #38 |
95. But the parties are OFF-CAMPUS. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Most - almost all - 1st & 2nd year student don't QUALIFY to carry a firearm concealed. |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. You must have missed the point. |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Interaction among students is both on and off campus. They get drunk on and off campus. nt |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Ok... and what's your point? |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I'm predicting blood in the streets? I'm just worried about guns and drunk college students. I did |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 11:43 PM Response to Reply #47 |
96. You strongly implied it by your excessive hand wringing. N/T |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 08:46 AM Response to Reply #22 |
76. I know it is a small sample, but... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. And what's stopping such now? n/t |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
37. A) nothing preventing people from getting drunk now |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. re: C, I'm talking about students on and around campus. nt |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. I'm sure the girl walking home from |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Right, if the goal is to protect us |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
29. It will be great when Texas passes this and nothing happens. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. Like when the courts struck down handgun bans |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
36. Well that's that then |
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DWC (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
42. Here In The Real World |
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DWC (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
55. Opposing view: Decriminalize self-defense |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
67. USA Today... |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
79. So McPaper supports the continued infantilization of American students |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 03:10 AM Response to Original message |
98. I know this is an opinion piece, but that's no reason for this pathetic, unsubstantiated hysteria: |
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DWC (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. No even a "Yes, but-er" can argue with your logic. Thanks! n/t |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 12:16 AM Response to Reply #98 |
103. Well, we *are* talking about USA Today here... |
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