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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:03 PM Original message |
Issue is really about assault-style weapons. |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. My experience is that the term "assault weapon" was coined to scare people senseless |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-17-07 02:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
69. gewehr really does mean rifle |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
2. False assertion. Military guns ARE causing problems in America |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. If I had wanted European style laws... |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. "Not invented here" "Our way is always better" |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I'll take "American arrogance" over European ignorance any day. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Yeah, those Germans are so wrong with a 5 times lower murder rate than USA |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Banning guns, while logical, simply doesn't take into account American culture |
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dairydog91 (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 01:08 AM Response to Reply #14 |
29. Entering Loony Central... |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 06:15 AM Response to Reply #14 |
33. Oh, yes, the Germans |
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shield20 (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 09:55 AM Response to Reply #14 |
42. Yep - gun control worked great for them in the 30's... |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-08-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #42 |
55. Very good numbers |
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shield20 (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. Partly... |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Disarming a populace leaves it more vulnerable to invasion and abuse of power. |
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Retired AF Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 09:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
50. During the "assault weapon" ban |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Military guns are heavily regulated in America. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 06:18 AM Response to Reply #12 |
34. Correction |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-09-07 07:12 AM Response to Reply #12 |
59. 0.0279271 * 100 is 2.79271, not 27.9271... |
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dairydog91 (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 12:55 AM Response to Reply #2 |
28. Historically... |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 04:28 AM Response to Reply #2 |
31. Post STATISTICS, billbuckhead. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 06:23 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Here's more |
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CarinKaryn (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #31 |
49. Okeedowkee. If you say so. |
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dairydog91 (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. I wonder... |
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shield20 (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 09:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
41. Not really - they are...a non-issue FACTS |
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Retired AF Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-08-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
57. Clueless |
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AR15-A4223 (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-17-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
68. Stop being ignorant |
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treelogger (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-30-07 12:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
75. Crime statistics |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
3. I liked Colbert's take on it. |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
5. Did Ben West Jr. take some of his material from the Amendment II Democrats website? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. These guns fire far faster than previous guns |
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meldroc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Hey, if the stormtroopers are kicking down my door to drag me to a REX 84 camp, |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. The M-16 |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-08-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
58. "There are people who can shoot a single action pistol faster than a full-auto M-16" |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-09-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Look up Jerry Miculek ... pretty close |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-17-07 02:31 AM Response to Reply #61 |
70. I think I saw Jerry on "American Shooter" a couple of times |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-17-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #61 |
73. What's the rate of fire of an M-16 on full-auto? |
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shield20 (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-17-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. M16 = 600-800 rpm |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-11-07 06:34 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. The accuracy part is spot on though |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. Now, I know you've been reading George Lakoff, too... |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. Lets ask chuck schumer |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 06:04 AM Response to Reply #7 |
32. No they don't |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 06:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
37. Not any faster than any other self-loader... |
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Turnagain (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-10-07 12:33 AM Response to Reply #7 |
62. Why should civilians want guns? |
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meldroc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
9. IIRC, the guns most commonly used in crime on the streets are... |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Here's more |
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meldroc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Ah, yes, Lorcin... Meet the Ring of Fire |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-08-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
56. Hey, I like my Phoenix! |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. But once military style weapons are commonplace, they'll be used more |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. But nobody is asking for a repeal of laws regulating fully auto weapons. |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Handgun regulation |
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Dean Martin (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-09-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #21 |
60. Correct, look at the number of weapons being stolen from FBI agents |
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madville (743 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Full-auto assault weapons have been regulated for 73 years |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. If we ever end up in a third would |
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dairydog91 (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. They will never become commonplace... |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 06:26 AM Response to Reply #16 |
36. Um, have you seen our gun ownership rates? |
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dairydog91 (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #36 |
44. Err... |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. True, but... |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-17-07 02:40 AM Response to Reply #44 |
71. Pheasant opener in South Dakota |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 07:01 AM Response to Reply #16 |
38. The are ALREADY commonplace... |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. Just throwwing this in... |
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FyurFly (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
46. Turner Diaries????? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-17-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
72. "Once they are common place?" Like it ain't here, now? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 08:47 AM Response to Reply #9 |
40. My only quibble with that scenario... |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
25. Ah, excuse me, but my friends on the police force |
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dairydog91 (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 12:48 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Got some numbers... |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 04:19 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. But... but... |
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hydrashok75 (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
65. My brother's dept.... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 07:03 AM Response to Reply #25 |
39. If any police dept. is worse off than the criminals in terms of arms, |
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shield20 (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 10:03 AM Response to Reply #25 |
43. Why? Why do they get special status? |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 06:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
48. I live in a small village... |
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Show_Me _The_Truth (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-08-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Actaully, that last statement is slightly wrong. |
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Retired AF Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 09:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
52. Jealousy? |
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Show_Me _The_Truth (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-08-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #25 |
53. I bet you I have more friends on the police force and Fed agencies than you do. |
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57_TomCat (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-15-07 12:39 AM Response to Reply #25 |
66. As a person familiar with LE and having been a Police chief.. |
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Turnagain (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-15-07 06:46 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Just nit picking really, but |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-02-07 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
76. It's crazy |
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