Does anyone have a chance with Hillary at bat in '08?

[smartvoter]

Poll question: Does anyone have a chance with Hillary at bat in '08?

What do you think? Is it realistic to think anyone but Hillary will emerge from the Dem side in '08?

[dave123williams]

1. Underestimating Hil is a mistake...just ask Rick Lazio.

[smartvoter]

4. Agreed. The $$$ will be behind her. I would prefer someone else, but

think she's likely to be the one.

[Warpy]

11. Right, but she's solidly DLC

She may have name recognition, but she'd lose even to another Bush.

Get the message, folks. Pro corporate, antilabor, pro globalist business as usual aint gonna sell to anybody out here in workaday land. The GOP will propose smoke and mirrors tax cuts and La Clinton will go down in spectacular flames.

[B0S0X87]

23. Not so fast there

She has an 85% rating from the AFL-CIO. Sounds pretty pro-labor to me.

That said, I don't think she should be our nomination given the amount of animosity already being directed at her from both sides of the aisle.

[New Earth]

2. no no no no no no no no no

i cannot stand that woman. there is no way i would vote her. not in a million years. she is so damn fake.

[smartvoter]

6. Don't beat around the bush, Faye. Tell us what you really think. nt

[dave123williams]

25. I've met her; she was actually quite charming.

Though it was a little weird...I kept thinking 'Holy SHIT! That's Hillary Clinton! Woah!'.

Fake? Real lawyer, real power-broker, really the first woman Senator from the Empire State. Also, a genuine, thinking Liberal.

[Mr.Green93]

3. She's the one

[New Earth]

7. hell no

if she is the one, i will not be voting for a democrat in '08. sorry

[smartvoter]

10. Even it it was razor thin and Jeb was on the other side? nt

[New Earth]

17. NO!

but i would consider doing one of those 'vote deals', where someone else who normally votes 3rd party can vote for Hilary, and i'll vote for 3rd party. i will not fill in a circle, pull a lever, press a button for that fake b*tch.

[smartvoter]

18. LOL!!!! This gives me a fun poll idea. nt

[Longgrain]

5. I used to think Hillary 08

But lately Boxer 08 is beginning to sound much better...

[renaissanceguy]

27. Hillary has been disappointing me

with her support for faith-based initiatives, and now I hear that she will confirm whomever * nominates to the SCOTUS.

Pundits say it's a smart political move so she can win the south. The way I see it, though, the MSM and Repugs (wrongly) label her a liberal; nobody in the south would vote for her because of that image.

What we need is reform, from the way our Party does business, to our primaries, to our general elections. I'm surprised people haven't understood yet that we do not win points by acting like Republicans. Kerry tried to do it, and he got labeled a flip-flopper.

We have a good message. Our policies work. Why should we change them? Do you honestly think Repugs would stop labeling us?

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues/477746
http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues/479862

[WI_DEM]

8. Hillary would be the favorite for the nomination if she ran

with her name recogntion and ability to raise big money and appeal to many activists. However, I also feel she would be one of the easiest to defeat which is why, imo, the right wing Republicans want her to run.

[jackster]

Hillary is too polarizing

if the Dems choose her, although she'd be one helluva POTUS I think, then they're certain to lose again

she provokes such hatred and strong feelings even among the left

it WON'T be smart to run Hillary and to tell you the truth I think she knows that

hey, she's still young - maybe down the line but for '08 we must look to someone else

[TwentyFive]

13. She excites the party activists. She would be the ideal VP.

Throngs would go out to support her. After 8 years of Vice President Hillary, she would have all the experience and temperment to be a great president.

[smartvoter]

14. Do you think she'd take the back seat? nt

[TwentyFive]

20. Hillary will redefine the VP role - just like she did as First Lady.

I think she'd welcome the vice presidency, especially if she ran and lost in the primary.

For one, Hillary has watched Cheney expand the vice presidency into a consigliere type position. Hillary is powerful and experienced enough to push the VP envelope even further. Also, the VP needs to rev-up the base, and nobody is better at this than Hillary. She is like a rock star, and has a big cadre of powerful friends.

Hillary could change what it means to be VP....looking back over the 20th century, the vice presidency has been a dead end position. Most VPs never met with lasting success. Johnson was a one termer, Humpfrey lost his election, Nixon lost in 1960 (came back, but ended up disgraced), Agnew resigned, Ford lost, Mondale lost, Bush was a one termer, Gore lost.

Hillary would change this.

[xmas74]

36. I could absolutely see that

happening. She would not make a good presidential candidate at this time-there is so much animosity towards her (by Repugs, RR's, etc). But she might be able to influence the youth vote, the minority vote(which most polls show did support the Clintons), the activist vote, gay community, etc. I think that she probably is looking at this from all angles (she is a smart woman, so I am sure that she will see sense). If the Dems can find a strong candidate, she might just make an interesting vp choice. And she would be making history.

[davidinalameda]

22. throngs will go out to oppose her not support her

she is one of the most polarizing figures in politics today


and the Repukes will have a field day with her

[havocmom]

9. Yeah, any Republican

I love the woman and would love to see her in charge, but the Winger machine is still too conditioned to hate all things Clinton and too many others just go along with it instead of thinking for themselves. She would face too much idiocy to really get her points across.

We need to keep as many Dems in Congress as we can anyway. Think outside the Capitol and don't draw talent out of that branch of gonvernment. Instead, work to get more DEMS into Congress!

Down the road, Hillary might be a great DNC leader candidate too. She is one of the smartest humans alive.

[TwentyFive]

12. Yes - she should run. But I will vote for Dean if he is also running.

Either would be a strong candidate.

[saltpoint]

15. Voted 'Unlikely.'

I agree that people should not underestimate her, but I simply don't see her outflanking other Democrats for the 08 nomination.

Just hunchin' but I think Edwards is going to do very well. He's New South and is part of a great marriage and family.

A strong case can be made for most of our candidates, but if I'm putting cash down, I bet Hillary won't be on the ticket.

[TwentyFive]

21. Do you give Edwards too much credit?

As a one term senator, I don't think he is ready yet. For Edwards to be successful, he needs to pattern himself after Reagan...get onto the speech circuit...run for governor of NC for one or two terms...then run for president as the optimistic, but seasoned statesman.

He is only 51 and looks younger. Forget about '08, if he blows it then, he will be finished. He should concentrate on '12 or '16, and spend the interim preparing himself.

[marions ghost]

16. I'm not sure any woman could win

in such a militaristic climate, esp if the wars are still in progress.

Fix the system so any Dems have a chance.

[xmas74]

37. But the Repugs

(on another site that I am on) are all putting out the battle cry for Condi for Prez. They think that she is the second coming and will keep this country going in the ideals of "Bushism". So, if the Repug fanatics are crying out for a black woman for '08, than maybe a woman might be ready for the job (not sure if it is Hilary, but maybe).

[Freebird12004]

19. as long as Hillary has an eye on the office

everyone else is passing their time until she makes her move to return the Clintons to the White House with Bill as 'First Mate' to President Hillary.

[Georgia_Dem]

24. Al Gore is the only one who could primary her out.

And he's not likely to run unless his news channel tanks real quick,
in which case, he wouldn't really have enough credibility left to win
the primaries anyway.

Face the facts here. She has the name recognition that worked so well
for Arnold Schwarzenegger and the junior Bushes. She's smart, as she
proved in her 2000 Senate campaign. She can raise funds really well. She'd dominate the female vote. I mean even more than her husband did. Speaking of which, Bill is probably the most important factor. Folks, the moment primary voters tune into CNN and MSNBC to see Bill campaigning for Hilary, that's it. Bill is still truly a hero in his party. I don't see how Hilary could lose with him campaigning for him.

Could she win the general election? I'm sort of skeptical. Even if election reform has occured by then, I tend to think that she'd lose
every state John Kerry lost. And possibly moderate blue states like Pensylvania. This is because of all the baggage she's got. Whitewater
and Hilary's role in Bill's controversial health plan and pardons
do not bode well for her. Still, I could be wrong. Hilary could manage to present her agenda that appeals well enough to the majority
of Americans well enough to come out on top despite that baggage. It
would not be the first time such an unexpected election has occured.
For instance, Bill Clinton's comfortable 1992 victory after three Republican landslides in a row was quite the turnaround, now wasn't it.

Still, if I had to make projections for Hilary vs. certain Republicans, this is what they'd be:

Hilary vs. Schwarzenegger: Schwarzenegger in a landslide.

Hilary vs. Giuliani: Giuliani just barely.

Hilary vs. Frist: Frist by a comfortable margin.

Hilary vs. Gingrich: Hilary by a big margin.

[Samantha]

28. Yep, Gore blew her out of the water in early 2004 polls

He was way, way over 50 percent and she came in second at 19 percent. Most of the candidates who ended up running did not break double digits.

[IronLionZion]

26. My money's on Hillary

but I'm voting in the Republican primary to make sure we don't have some neo-con fascist going against Hillary. God knows I love my NY Senator but she will probably lose the general election.

[DrGonzoLives]

29. Hillary will virtually guarentee

at least one, if not two, third-party candidates running on the left/moderate side. She is far too polarizing to be the nominee - I'd rather that GOP domination end in 2009, not continue.

[Bush on crack]

30. Hill has a shot

I would like to see Boxer or Corzine run in 2008, but I will tell you Hillary has a shot at winning. She would unify the party easily and you know these women who are controlled by their right wing zealot husbands will be voting for Hill behind their back because they love and respect her deep down. She speaks the truth and is strong willed and attractive. Hillary will unite the minorities and Hillary will then move to the center and beat up on a weak republican nominee. My opinion is that the right wing of the their party has so infected their party that they can't come out with anybody more progressive than Bush. Bush will be a liberal Republican in 4 years. No way is Guiliani or those types going to win a primary for them in 08. No frickin way! These Right Wing clones will demand a hawk and a gay-basher. Believe me...I work with these people.

[davidinalameda]

31. how many more Hillary polls do we need

people don't want her!

[More Than A Feeling]

32. It won't be Hillary

Both the right, and, from what i have seen on this board, many on the left, dislike her too much

[ProgressiveConn]

33. Hillary won't be the candidate.

DLC are on their way out. And if they are not you'll always have 1 or more liberal parties stealing our votes. If you want to fight the neo-cons with only ten guys go ahead. I'd rather play with all eleven on the field.

[PresidentObama]

34. Anybody But Hillary

[AJH032]

35. I love the thought of having Bill back in the White House, but...

I just can't imagine Hillary Clinton winning. Maybe as VP though?