Sabbath, Skynyrd Finally Make Hall Of Fame

[LTR]

After inventing Heavy Metal and helping to define Punk Rock, British imports Black Sabbath and the Sex Pistols will finally earn their rightful spots in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame in Cleveland. Ozzy Osbourne has denounced the importance of the Hall in the past, telling Hall officials in 1999, "Just take name off the list. Save the ink. Forget about us. The nomination is meaningless, because it's not voted on by the fans. It's voted on by the supposed elite for the industry and the media, who've never bought an album or concert ticket in their lives, so their vote is irrelevant to me." It remains to be seen how the Sabbath frontman will respond to the news of their induction.

Also nominated:

Lynyrd Skynyrd
Blondie
Miles Davis.
A&M Records founders Herb Alpert and Jerry Moss

Inductees in the Side-Men category will be announced at a later date.

http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=148466

[ikojo]

1. South St Louis and

Jefferson County Missouri are in full celebration mode...

FREEBIRD!!!!!

[stlsaxman]

2. hahahha no shit!!!

all them '70's glue sniffers and KSHE pigs are wetting themselvesz w/ glee!

"Dude- I TOLD you Skynard ROCKS!"

[Zomby Woof]

8. Typical elitist crap

Skynyrd is still my favorite band after nearly 3 decades, and I never sniffed glue in my life. They are admired far and wide by musicians of every background, and of high intellect, not just "pigs" (you call yourself a liberal with an attitude like that?).

The punk/in-crowd/pick-your-favorite-high-school-kool-kidz-clique-here stereotype of Skynyrd fans being wasted stoners is about as dead as Sid Vicious.

That being said, this Skynyrd fan doesn't give a shit about an induction into a fake Hall of Fame, located in the biggest armpit in the United States (rivalled only by Detroit).

[brentspeak]

12. Skynyrd was a pretty intelligent band

Like the Ramones, they were always more clever than they appeared. I have the Drive-By-Truckers tribute to them, "Southen Rock Opera", which made me appreciate LS even more.

[ikojo]

18. Zombywoof....he was referring to those who listen

to KSHE 94.7 FM in St Louis. Their MASCOT was a joint smoking pig. I think it's still a pig minus the now politically incorrect joint.

Ya gotta be from St Louis to understand the references. But suffice to say that there is a stereotype here associated with those who listen to Lynard Skynard (just as there is for my favorite band, The Grateful Dead).

[Zomby Woof]

25. Classic rock radio sucks

It is death on the air. I understand the antipathy there.

That being said, I know Skynyrd has some boneheaded fans. But I always have to come to the band's defense when the boneheads are used against the rest of us. :P

[sabbat hunter]

31. i love

classic rock. Q 104.3 here in NYC is awesome!! it was a sad day when "The Professor" "Scotzo" Scott Muni died and with him the daily Beatles Block.

RIP Scotzo.


ps they still play some of his old shows from time to time as a tribute

[stlsaxman]

50. The Blodwyn Pig to be precise-

[stlsaxman]

21. Hey Zombie, sorry, but if you knew South St. Louis and Jefferson County

long hair, glue-sniffing redneck asshole FUCKS like ikojo and I grew up around always yelling "Freebird!!!!" with their fucking stars-n-bars swastikas bragging all the time about how they like to get drunk and kick the shit out of niggers and how they're so superior to those people because they're white and God prefers white people.... (i could go on forever...)-

you'd be glad Lynyrd Skynyrd died in that plane crash, too.

"admired far and wide by musicians of every background, and of high intellect"? well, not by THIS musician with a high intellect.

Sorry if I offended you by being offended and disgusted by people who live to hate.

[RagingInMiami]

36. So you're judging the band by a few of their fans you've run into?

Here are the lyrics to one of my favorite LS songs. It's from their first album.

Things Goin' On
(Gary Rossington - Ronnie VanZant)

Have you ever lived down in the ghetto?
Have you ever felt the cold wind blow?
If you don't know what I mean,
Won't you stand up and scream?
'Cause there's things goin' on that you don't know.

Too many lives they've spent across the ocean.
Too much money been spent upon the moon.
Well, until they make it right
I hope they never sleep at night
They better make some changes
And do it soon.

They're goin ruin the air we breathe
Lord have mercy.
They're gonna ruin us all, by and by.
I'm telling you all beware
I don't think they really care
I think they just sit up there
And just get high.

© Copyright 1973 by Duchess Music
All rights reserved. Used by permission.

[mitchum]

44. I believe that most Skynyrd detractors judge their fans, not the band...

and that's incredibly stupid. It's not as if Ronnie Van Zant kicked their teenaged asses. But the detractors seem to have trouble discerning the difference. Their loss.

[Zomby Woof]

47. HAHAHAHA!

"It's not as if Ronnie Van Zant kicked their teenaged asses". :rofl:

Oh man, that is the CRUX of this matter, eh?

[mitchum]

49. It is indeed the crux of the matter

[AntiCoup2K4]

54. For early 70's Southern boys, Skynyrd were fairly progressive

They were against pollution, against handguns, and despite the common misconception, "Sweet Home Alabama" was against racism.

Now I don't know why the Johnny Van Zant tribute band is playing at Chimp inauguration parties and writing pro war songs, but I doubt that Ronnie Van Zant would have put up with that shit.

[Dukkha]

43. You bash Cleveland and call yourself a liberal?

Cuyahoga county is one of the most bluest parts of the country. The city has completely turned itself around the the decaying wasteland of yesteryear to be a clean, diverse city beaming with pride and prosperity.

Cleveland Rocks!

[Zomby Woof]

46. It's not bashing

It's just good judgment. Ideology has nothing to to do with assessing the worth of a city.

There isn't much that redeems the place which gave us the likes of Drew Carey.

[RagingInMiami]

33. I knew the Skynrd bashers would be on this thread even before I opened it

Things never change around here.

[Zomby Woof]

35. When the story hit the news yesterday

I was braced for it.

[RagingInMiami]

37. I guess it was good to stumble into the lounge tonight

And rekindle some of those debates from almost a year ago.

[maveric]

13. Skynard are from Jacksonville FL.

Or am I not understanding your post?

[ikojo]

14. It's a South St Louis thing...

There's a running joke around St Louis that at every concert there's a dedicated bunch who will scream out FREEBIRD whether the group is Skynard or not.

[RebelOne]

3. Lynyrd Skynyrd deserves it. Great group.!!

Sweet Home in Alabama is a classic.

[Zomby Woof]

11. Their true glory is in the lesser-known songs

"Was I Right Or Wrong?", "The Ballad of Curtis Loew", "All I Can Do Is Write About It", "Need All My Friends", etc...

Of course, give me some of the hits too, like "Simple Man", "That Smell", and the crunching "Satruday Night Special". :thumbsup:

[stlsaxman]

22. okay, I formally apologies, Woof...

i just have an adverse reaction every time they come on the radio- i turn it off.

[LTR]

28. And don't slight "Freebird"

Anyone who does is only hearing it, and not listening to it.

"Freebird" is an awesome song that leads into one hell of a guitar jam. There's a reason it's a classic.

Listen to a good quality recording (the whole album version, and not the truncated lo-fi version they play on the radio). It's one hell of a song.

[stlsaxman]

52. The only "good quality" recording of Freebird would be without that

incredibly out of tune mellotron... makes it unlistenable for me.

I saw LS here in St Louis in 1973 when they opened for The Who on the Quadrophenia tour...

LS played for 20 minutes and half of that was Freebird. I had 9th row center seats and i kept thinking Van Zant was singing "I'm as free as a bird-dog... as a bird-dog on a chain..."

:rofl:

I was laughing thru the entire song! Then I heard it every day for the rest of my life on "K-SHIT 95: The Pig of Rock".

[stlsaxman]

4. Did you forget The Sex Pistols?

Thought I heard they finally made the cut this time...?

[brentspeak]

5. Sid Viscious getting inducted?

He murdered his girlfriend.

[Rabrrrrrr]

15. So?

Ostensibly inclusion in the rock and roll hall of fame is about one's contribution to rock and roll, not about one's ethical or moral behavior, which is a good thing, or most rockers probably wouldn't be in there.

And I say ostensibly since so many of the inductees are useless poser clowns who had no effect - or only negative effect - on rock and roll.

Kurt CObain killed himself - I'm sure he'll get in.

John Bonham choked on his own vomit after a drinking binge - he's iether in, or will be.

Mama Cass, Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and on and on and on....

[brentspeak]

29. I wouldn't equate committing suicide

with taking another human being's life. Not that I'm minimizing suicide, but you're comparing apples with oranges.

[Rabrrrrrr]

42. So you are voting for a "rock and roll hall of fame based on my own

personal standards of ethics, not music"?

You still didn't answer the question - SO? Why is it relevant - why is it even remotely relevant - that Vicious killed someone?

[brentspeak]

51. You didn't really ask that question the first time

And to catergorize my condemnation and revulsion of homocide as merely a reflection of my own "personal standards of ethics" is bizarre. You don't share those standards? Homocide is an inborn moral issue, not an acquired ethical one.

I'll try to answer your question strictly from a completely narrow view of "musician" and "audience":

Musicians exist to make music for people to listen and enjoy, correct? But if that musician murders someone, the victim cannot enjoy music. The murderer therefore has committed a great crime against the music world itself, by depriving the music world of a member of its audience. The music world exists FOR its audience - why should the HOF honor a person who has harmed its audience, the very reason that it exists?

That's as specific as I can get without mentioning the simple fact that homocide is the single greatest crime that one can commit.

Besides, Sid Viscious doesn't deserve to be inducted because he didn't even play on the Sex Pistol's only real album, "Never Mind the Bollocks". In fact, his bass parts for the few later recordings the band did were overdubbed by other musicians. He didn't contribute to the Sex Pistol's music at all.

[Rabrrrrrr]

56. I did ask the question when I asked "So?"

And I did not say that your revulsion to homocide was merely a reflection of your own personal standards of ethics; I said your application of your revulsion to it in terms of whether or not to induct someone into the hall of fame was a reflection of your own personal standards of ethics.

You do, however, raise the interesting argument of what if the homocide victim was a paying rock and roll fan. In that case the rock star has, as you say, reduced the pool of fans, which should be seen as anathema.

I did not know the other stuff about Sid - how long did he perform with the band, doing live shows? I so equate him with the Sex Pistols (but no nothing of them) that I always assumed he was the founder of the band.

[LTR]

20. It's in the first paragraph

Yes, they did make it.

[Rabrrrrrr]

6. I think this is the first time that all the nominees actually deserve it!

AND the first time that all the nominees actually rock (though i suppose Miles Davis technically "jazzes", he still fuckin' rocks).

This is a good group!

Now, I think that they should go through and throw out the 100 or so fucking irrelevant POS who have been inducted.

And it is an abomination that Sabbath has taken this long to get in - they should have been in the first wave.

[realisticphish]

7. sabbath and skynyrd

are LONG overdue

[Oeditpus Rex]

9. Seems like I stopped liking Skynyrd

about the same time I stopped drinking cheap beer by the case. :puke:

[brentspeak]

10. Johnny Ramone was correct when he said

that half the people inducted in the Rock 'n Roll HOF don't belong in it. Add Black Sabbath to AC/DC, LaVern Baker, The Impressions, Ruth Brown, Etta James, Gladys Night, The Eagles, LLoyd Price, James Taylor, Bonnie Raitt (a bit too young), Solomon Burke, The Flamingos, Brenda Lee, Traffic, and Percy Sledge to the Don't Belong list.

[Oeditpus Rex]

16. .

:popcorn:

[Rabrrrrrr]

17. What? You don't think Sabbath deserve their spot?

Son of a bitch, they should have been in on the first wave!

Their impact on the world of rock is fucking monstrously huge.

Zappa should have gone in on the first wave, too.

[Ekirh]

19. HEAR HEAR!

Glad to see Sabbath finally get their due and be inducted. . . I was worried they were just always going to get by-passed.

[LTR]

23. Well, any artist has to wait 25 years

from the release of their first album. Black Sabbath has been eligible for several years, but they kept getting snubbed, to the point that the band told the HOF to stuff it.

Blondie was an out-of-left-field choice, and I have to say, I like it.

[hickman1937]

30. Can you explain this?

Sounds like Johnny Ramone was an embittered jerk, redefining for his own legacy.
edit for spellcheck. zip.

[brentspeak]

34. Maybe, but

I agree with him that there's a lot of inductees who really don't belong in the HOF. A lot of the ones I mentioned made some fine music, but they just don't belong on the same stage as Chuck Berry, Elvis, the Beatles, Stones. As for Black Sabbath - I literally get a headache when I try listening to them. If anyone invented heavy metal, it was Led Zep - and Zep wasn't headache-inducing.

[LTR]

38. I thought The Who invented heavy metal

And don't forget "Helter Skelter" by The Beatles. McCartney's intent when writing and recording that song was to one-up The Who with the heaviest song ever recorded.

Oh, and don't forget Cream and Hendrix either.

[Zomby Woof]

39. Link Wray invented it

But Sabbath expanded and perfected it.

[LTR]

40. What about MC5?

aka the Motor City 5?

Considered by many to be the first punk band. Arguably the first heavy metal band as well.

[Zomby Woof]

41. Mozart was the first punk rocker

:D

[hickman1937]

55. I think you just hit that nail on the head.

Maybe you were being sarcastic, but all things being equal, you got it in one.

[Zomby Woof]

58. I was being serious

Or at least, my praise of Mozart is sincere.

[Rabrrrrrr]

57. Mozart? *choke* *spew* *spit* Mozart? Salieri was punk a GENERATION

before Mozart was soiling his diapers and writing symphonies.

[hickman1937]

48. Nope. The Who built off Iron Butterfly after 1967.

IB were the first.

[mitchum]

45. "embittered jerk" is a perfect definition for Johnny Ramone

He is the Ramone who is not missed in this household. He was just a right wing philistine.

[LTR]

24. Some artists that haven't made it yet

Grabbed these off a website:

PAUL ANKA (yeah, right!)
ERIC CARMEN
CHICAGO
ALICE COOPER
DOOBIE BROTHERS
ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA
GENESIS
GUESS WHO
KISS
JOHN MELLENCAMP
MOODY BLUES
JOHNNY RIVERS
LINDA RONSTADT
STEPPENWOLF
CAT STEVENS
THREE DOG NIGHT
BARRY WHITE

Again, I didn't make up this list (though I think Kiss, E.L.O. and Barry White wouldn't be bad choices). I don't think Paul Anka is rock n' roll. And Alice Cooper sucks, IMHO.

http://cleveland.about.com/cs/rockandroll/l/aa031601c.htm

And a few more suggestions from me:

MC5
Roxy Music
Joy Division/New Order (most dance music today owes them a debt)
The Cure
Neil Diamond (yes, I said NEIL DIAMOND!!!)
Deep Purple
Yes
Van Halen (big time influence)
Kraftwerk (synth rock started here)
R.E.M. (should be eligible in next year or two)
Iggy Pop

[hickman1937]

26. Iron Butterfly invented heavy metal.

Everyone else built on them.

[mitchum]

27. Even when I was a teenager, I found Black Sabbath to be ridiculous, but...

they are totally deserving of induction. They really are one of the most influential acts of the past 30 years.

And, of course, Skynyrd and the Pistols belong. Both were brilliant bands.

[Kire]

32. Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

I can't wait to see John Lydon's acceptance speech.

[HeeBGBz]

53. Moody Blues passed over again

What a surprise. :sarcasm:

[MissMillie]

59. Well, why pick MB and their inventive stuff when

you can give a great garage band like Skynard a nod. :sarcasm:

[HeeBGBz]

60. Exactly.

If they ever do give up a spot for the Moodies, I will die of shock.