Question for the ABD crowd

[swittersnc]

What are you going to do if, in fact, Dean does win the nomination?

[molly]

1. What are you going to do if he doesn't?

[wtmusic]

3. Nah nah na Nah nah...

So there!

:silly:

[swittersnc]

6. give my wholehearted support

to whoever does win the nomination.
now, answer my question.

[PVnRT]

11. She won't

Plenty of us have asked her questions in the past, and always just gets deflected somehow. Might as well get used to it.

[LuminousX]

13. Bust my ass to make sure whoever does, does get elected

[Walt Starr]

24. If Dean does not get nominated, I will be voting for the nominee

What will you be doing if Kerry does not get nominated?

[Walt Starr]

59. My stance has changed

If Dean does not get the nomination, I would vote for the nominee if they denounce the anti-Dean ad that links Dean to Osama bin LAden within the next week.

If Dean does not get the nomination and the nominee never denounced the ad, I will be doing one of two things:

1) voting third party
2) staying home.

Right now, I am for NBD. I will stand here until I hear at least one candidate denounce the ad.

[Bucky]

86. On behalf of Karl, George, and Ralph

Thank you. On behalf of all those dead Americans, Syrians, Koreans, and Iranians, please reconsider. Your virginity may help Bush kill a lot of people.

[Jai4WKC08]

93. NBD sounds an awful lot like...

You're either with us or against us.

[AWD]

26. It really is physically impossible for you.....

...to post something without bashing Dean or Dean supporters, isn't it??

[GalleryGod]

61. Immediately Try to Find the Poor Guy a Running Mate! Oh, AL???

:silly:

[Padraig18]

67. Support the nominee of my party, like a *loyal Democrat* should. n/t

[Tyler Durden]

2. There IS NO ABD crowd.

There IS an NBD crowd (Nobody But Dean), and that is passing fair annoying. I am rather tired of hearing about everyone else's "feet of clay," but the same trait on Howard Dean is somehow proof positive of his integrity/sensitivity/strength/adaptability/realism/...........

I have personally never gone off on a "GET DEAN!" tear around here, but I sure have (both directly and by proxy) been called some interesting things for supporting Clark.

[PVnRT]

12. You need to read more threads

n/t

[LuminousX]

14. ABD is very real

I don't know anyone who is a NBD, though.

[Tyler Durden]

21. YOU need to read more threads.

The NBD syndrome is where ANYTHING positive said about one's candidate, is jumped on by 5 Dean supporters.

[LuminousX]

28. LOL

Oh, that is just partisanship. Get over it.

[Selwynn]

34. Riiiiight

[LuminousX]

38. I see more Dean people saying they will work hard for whoever

gets the nomination than vice versa.

[Padraig18]

71. I agree.

I would wager that a higher percentage of Dean supporters are ABB than any group on this board. Ironic, isn't it?

[Walt Starr]

60. I am now NBD

and I will remain NBD until at least one candidate denounces the anti-Dean ad which links him to Osama bin LAden.

If a candidate who does not denounce that ad is nominate, I refuse to vote for them.

[frustrated_lefty]

92. Walt, you hurt us all

with things like this. The world is not black and white, do not portray it that way.

For the record, by NBD, he means nobody but Dean. That's damned silly.

[Eloriel]

20. Sorry, Tyler

Deanies (and Dean) have been assaulted mightily -- you may have missed that. Sorry if you got unfairly caught up in the crossfire.

[Tyler Durden]

23. It has been an escalating WAR on BOTH sides...

And I'm heartily SICK of it.

The Bushites enjoy watching us fight.

[stickdog]

69. What? Gullible?

Because that's the first word that comes to mind.

[mmonk]

4. Not a ABD person

I'm a Clark supporter.

[billbuckhead]

9. Vote third party. Dean is repugnant.

I'll never vote for an NRA whore let alone a ConFlag and Cato institute panderer. At the end of the day, Dean ain't a lot different than Bush, just another self-righteous privileged preppie ex-drunk. Surely America can do better.

[wtmusic]

16. Whoa BBH, lot of labels there

You wouldn't be letting any personal impressions get in the way of the facts, would ya?

:eyes:

[AWD]

27. Put him on ignore....

...there's a nickname some of us have for him. It rhymes with his name.

You can't save people from blind hate, so just ignore him.

[wtmusic]

48. COL (chuckle out loud) thanks for the tip

:-)

[billbuckhead]

83. Is any of what I said not true?

Dean ain't the guy I want leading me into battle against the BFEE.

[GalleryGod]

62. Damn, Bill! Tell Us How You REALLY Feel? Don't Hold Back.

:loveya: :pals: :hug: :toast: :bounce:

[Padraig18]

72. I soooo feel the LOVE, Bill!

:P

[Beaker]

5. Make plans to cast an absentee ballot-

I want to be out of the country before the iron fist of the Junta brings the hammer down hard after the next sElection.

[MuseRider]

42. Man,

you are going to be competing with a whole lot of us who have made those plans! I want my kids outta here during this election.

[PissedOffPollyana]

45. No sh*t!

I have made my husband promise that we will not be within US borders for the election. If the public doesn't roll over like they did for the last coup, it may be the signal to take the fabulous tactics we saw in Miami nationwide... and I gotta say, that is not a coast-to-coast tour I want to be any part of!

I haven't yet decided for certain what to do if Dean gets the nod. I must say honestly that he is the candidate that has the least of my confidence, outside of Smokin'Joe.

I guess I'll think about jumping off that bridge if we get to it... until then, I will hope that we rally behind a candidate that has the platform & record to take a firm stand against the real enemy, privatization & corporate ownership of America.

edit for spelling... oops!

[carpediem]

7. ABD is a misnomer.

i am not ABD - I am a Clark supporter. I think Dean is fine and is my 2 or 3 guy. I will vote for Dean if he gets the nomination. I am simply hoping that Clark gets it, because I honestly believe he is not only a better candidate, but would be a better President than Dean or any of the others - not that any of them wouldn't be better by a mile than *. I am a Clark supporter. I am not ABD but I am ABB.

[vi5]

8. I don't know any ABD people...

But my suspiscion is that there are more than a few DON people out there.

[VermontDem2004]

15. I don't know any DON people would you care to tell me who they are?

And there is atleast one ABD person.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=876616&mesg_id=876687&page=

[vi5]

17. What part of a "suspiscion" didn't register?

I just re-read my one line post several times over....yep....still says "suspiscion".....nope....still doesn't say "I know for a fact".

[VermontDem2004]

57. I know it says "suspiscion"

But why are you suspiscious? You said you didn't know any ABD people so I provided you one.

[salin]

25. someone just yesterday

was posting "Democrats Against Dean"... think that comes pretty close to qualifying.

Personally I find the absolutists (my guy or the highway... and the that guy and I bolt) folks very counterproductive. As if they believe that creating deep divisions in the name of their righteousness is a good thing. But of course that isn't as bad as the periodic posts of... lets get campaigns to gangup on another campaigns to try to subvert the targetted campaign (those are pretty rare - but have shown up from time to time... turning my stomach to see the advocation of Don Segretti type tactics).

Read enough on GD and you see it all. Lots of it ugly. From all fans of all major candidates (well no... haven't seen destructive posts from supporters of Sharpton, Mosley-Braun, Gephardt or Lieberman.) None of it productive. And all of it seemingly blissfully unaware and unwilling to take responsibility for the likely end results of their efforts - and fractured grassroots base with diseffected activists unwilling to do the very hard work in each community that will be required (hours and hours of OUR volunteer time) to counter the spending/propoganda spree that will be reigned upon the eventual nominee by Bush.

End of rant.

[LuminousX]

10. My guess

Top 10 Things ABD Will Do If Dean Gets the Nomination

10. Make empty threats about moving to Canada
9. Slip into a catatonic state
8. Drink themselves into a coma
7. Join FreeRepublic.com
6. Vote Green in the General Election
5. Argue that the nomination process was fixed
4. Begin immediate work for the ABD-2008 movement
3. Turn attention to reviving the lost art of macrame
2. Grudgingly support Dean
1. Change screenname and claim to always have been a Dean supporter

[blm]

18. heheh....

not ABD but put me down for #2. It has to be grudging because I have standards. ;)

[PVnRT]

35. Because, obviously

the rest of us don't. :eyes:

[AWD]

30. 7. Join FreeRepublic.com

7. Join FreeRepublic.com

You know as well as I do that many of the ABD people already ARE members of that illustrious site.

[tom_paine]

33. Well said, AWD

Damned straight!

[mzmolly]

43. #1 Fan of Luminous X here ....

LMAO :yourock:

[DancingBear]

68. Go for #2

Vote for him, then hire a private detective to try and find his supporters after the * coronation.

You guys are making it harder and harder to think positive thoughts about this guy.

[Rainbowreflect]

19. I'm not a ABD or a NBD or what ever, I'm a ISOSIFODU*.

And I will vote for which ever dem gets the nomination.

*I'm Sick Of Stupid In Fighting On DU.

[Mountainman]

22. Who ever gets the nomination will be supported by most of us

Now is the time to talk up your candidate. It is wrong for Dean or anyone else to tell the rest of us to get in line behind someone when the primaries haven't even begun yet.

I'm leaning towards Clark but if Dean were the nominee I would vote for him but I hope I don't have to do that.

[jumptheshadow]

29. Vote for him

And pray that he wins.

[goodhue]

31. be grumpy

but vote for him I guess

[OhioStateProgressive]

32. push for Kucinich as VP

that would be what could keep my vote in the Dem column

[RandomKoolzip]

40. "keep your vote in the Dem column?"

So if Deam doesn't pick Dennis as his veep, you'll vote repub or throw your vote away voting for a third party? Thanks for pushing more Bush on us, if that is what you mean.

[OhioStateProgressive]

47. sorry man

ok...I was rash in how I said that

to be more fair, I really guess what I want to see is some of Dennis's ideas brought into the Dean platform...those of us who fervently support dennis support him for the ideas, the Progressive ideas...don't ignore us, that's what I would say to the Dean campaign...take on some of those ideas...Universal Single Payer healthcare to start

make a concerted effort to reach out to the more left wing of the party

otherwise, if I feel ignored, if I feel those of us out here on the leftist fringe are ignored, then yes, i will vote Green

for god sake, how can you ignore a whole segment of people, and then get upset when they don't vote for you??

[Selwynn]

36. I'm going to get ready for our long hard defeat in 2004.

[LuminousX]

37. Sad

[mmonk]

39. yep

[RandomKoolzip]

46. Jesus, what is wrong with you guys?!?

All this doom and gloom. That sucks, it really does. Don't you think that now that Dean has the most momentum, he can hire some really good advisors to help him try to unite the party? Or you think he's just some DINO loose cannon with no strategy? I just don't get it.


Methinks you are acting exactly the way Bush and Rove want us to. Fer crissakes, this election is VITALLY IMPORTANT. I'll support whoever gets the nomination- you really should too. Look, guys, right now, and I suspect it'll only get better, WE have the momentum. You're not seeing vast amounts of people fleeing the Democratic party right now; in fact, the exodus is in the other direction. SO do we fight, or do we give up and accept our reaming like the good little milquetoast Dems the right thinks we are? I know which way I'll be going.

[mmonk]

49. I was responding to the sad comment

I'll never give up the fight to oust bushco.

[RandomKoolzip]

50. Oh. Well, in that case: HI!

I'm a Deaner, but Clark also rings my bell. He'd be a great candidate, I think. I'm not participating in the tearing down or bad-rapping of any candidate- it's counterproductive.

Jesus, I fucking hope this shit ends soon.....

[mmonk]

51. me too

[frustrated_lefty]

94. I hear ya bro

[Selwynn]

54. Yes, it is sad.

[mzmolly]

44. Pathetic!

:P

[stickdog]

70. How? (nt)

[Octafish]

41. Vote for the draft dodger. Why do you ask?

Not trying to be rude, just want to know. From my perspective, it would really be nice if my horse had received common courtesy from many supporters of the ski-bum-cum-backbone over the past year and a half before they poisoned the well by calling him Bush-Lite and worse. But, I'm a Democrat first. So, if Dean's the nominee, the ex-governor ex-doctor ex-stockbroker has got my vote.

BTW: A hearty welcome to DU, switternc!

[Scott Lee]

56. POOP.

[GalleryGod]

66. The Doctuh's Demographics Stink!

The Pot roast,Brewskis, and NASCAR crowd are fleeing to Dim Wit and The Big Dick...more Brie? Re-fill your glass?:smoke:

[stickdog]

73. Care to back up that bullshit?

Didn't think so.

[littlejoe]

84. dodging the draft elevates him in my book

[TreasonousBastard]

52. That's a pretty small crowd...

and seems a little smaller than the ABC, ABL, or ABK crowds. But I can't say that for sure.

So it doesn't really make a lot of difference what they do, does it?

Most of us will work and vote for the nominee, though, and wonder just why questions like this pop up from time to time.

Personally, when a nominee is chosen I'll spend a little time watching how ALL the losers react.

It should be interesting. I'll make popcorn.

[PSU84]

53. I'll try to deal with 4 more years of "W"

"Dean's advantage is bolstered by his strong appeal to the well-educated liberal wing of the party in Iowa and New Hampshire. Nearly half of Dean's Iowa supporters are college graduates and far more describe themselves as liberals (38 percent) than conservatives (17 percent). The Dean supporters are notable not just for the vehemence of their opposition to the Iraq war but also for their support of gay marriage and for their variance from national norms of religious belief. Forty percent of the Dean supporters in New Hampshire, his strongest state, say they seldom or never attend church."

- from David Broder's column in the Washington Post, 12/11/03
www.washingtonpost.com

Forget the South, Dean would be lucky to win any states in the Midwest.

[LuminousX]

55. Do you always take your cues from Broder?

He doesn't exactly have a great track record for his political analysis.

[DancingBear]

77. Broder is the new enemy today

This is bordering on pitiful - do the Dean people have to slam EVERY person whose opinion they don't agree with? Who is correct - only those people who write what passes muster with you?

That sounds like, um, wait, I got it - Limbaugh!

[GalleryGod]

64. Drop Back into the "Nickel D" and Protect the Dems in House & Senate

Get out those leisure suits,aqua velva, and pet rocks!

It's '72 REDUX

'Bye Bye Miss America Pie:argh:

[stickdog]

75. Which Dem's supporters go to church enough for you? (nt)

[janx]

58. kick

What ARE you going to do?

[KFC]

63. I will ask him to change his name to Clark

And take off that fucking girdle!

[Bucky]

88. Mean, but cute (he doesn't really wear a girdle, does he?)

[arewethereyet]

65. pray a lot that he will 'get over' this anger so he has a chance

and, as always, do what I can

[Zomby Woof]

74. watch him sell you all down the river

If he manages not to go down in flames and gets in, I will laugh morbidly as he proves my predictions about him correct. We will have replaced Bush Jr. with Nixon Jr. I suppose that's a step up, if you LIKE Republican rule!

I don't like it, so I am fighting his nomination, for the sake of the progressive soul of this party.

[stickdog]

78. You are a hoot, dude.

Keep dreaming the impossible dream that best enables insider corpocrats.

[Zomby Woof]

81. you mean like Dean?

He IS an insider corprocat, or whatever mangled name you tried creating there.

Voting for Dean enables the corporate status quo. The only FEAR on these boards is the fear of a TRULY progressive agenda taking hold and a FEAR of taking on Bush with anything less than a lighter clone of him, which Dean is. Thus, furthering the cynicism of rank and file Dems who once again get saddled with Tweedledee and Tweedledum. The Dean faction is polarizing the party, and weakening it beyond the DLC's wildest wet dreams.

[Name removed]

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[Patriot_Spear]

87. The ignore feature is available.

...and handy.

[molly]

76. Nothing - absolutely noithing!

[stickdog]

79. Yep. Which is just what Kerry has done about Bush. (nt)

[meow mix]

80. sing the theme from Titanic

and start looking for something that floats!

"Nearr..Far,wherrEver you are
I believe that the heart does go on"
(official dean-campain song)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

82. Probably won't work on his campaign but will vote for him

n/t

[Spirochete]

89. Some of them

may just vote for Bush, so they can come back here and say "see - I told you he couldn't win". I can see a few of these people doing that, from what I've read from them. It's gotta be their guy or nobody.

[Bill of Rights]

90. I'll have to listen while my partner

crusades for Dean. She is ABB. I am so emotionally tied to Clark's nomination that I will be unable to do much for Dean other than vote for him in the general election.

[FDRrocks]

91. Green.

or abstain. I'm not going to vote for a centrist.

[SahaleArm]

95. Sometimes you have to pick and choose your battles.

In this case centrist > far right.