Italian Satellite TV to Broadcast Evidence (chemical weapons)

[shraby]

of U.S. Use of Chemical Weapons on Civilians

A news program on Italian satellite TV, RAI News 24, has substantiated the claim that the US military has been exploiting the dual use of white phosporus. In its siege of Fallujah, the chemical was used on the civilian populace. The story is in today's Repubblica. The Bush Adminstration and the DoD are about to be shamed before the eyes of the world.

Shocking revelation RAI News 24. Use of chemical weapons by the US military in Iraq. Veteran admits: Bodies melted away before us.

White phosphorous used on the civilian populace: This is how the US "took" Fallujah.

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<http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/7/11819/9522>

[Ignacio Upton]

1. Irony is very scary

I don't know if this is true, but if it is than we as Americasn are fucked in the realm of public opinion.

[progressoid]

20. I think your statement should be in the past tense

We were fucked in public opinion a long time ago.

[DBoon]

2. Is this available in North America via satellite?

Dish, DirecTV, or even an old style C-band?

If not, is there any way a subtitled version could be obtained on DVD?

[Dr.Phool]

48. They had clips from it on Democracy Now! this morning

Don't plan on eating after you watch it. Pentagon had a spokesman in Baghdad, who admited using White Phosphorous, but not on civilians.

But the film clips show otherwise.

[Sequoia]

59. I listened on the radio and Amy warned of the visuals.

How can a people invent horrid weapons such as these. Doesn't burn clothes, burns underneath, under gas masks, and when breathed burns inside your body. Only a race of demons would invent something like that. And you know what, many other races of this world think whites are the children of Lucifer and sometimes I don't doubt it.

[lonestarnot]

3. Damn, worse than napalm!

[tyedyeto]

4. There was discussion here at the time it was happening

or shortly thereafter. (Can't search for the thread now since we're at Level 1)

The stories and discussion were about a napalm type substance that was used during the 'taking' of Fallujah. The media did not report anything about the claim at the time.

[Cornelia]

5. Link to download the video (low res)

This is the link to download the full 20 min. video at low resolution in english language:

http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/video/fallujah_ING.wmv

The proof are shocking. The images and footing far worst than Abu Ghraib. :(

Regards from Italy,
Cornelia

[tyedyeto]

6. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[IChing]

15. thanks for the shocking video link and

welcome to DU Ciao Cornelia

[IChing]

30. kick

[texpatriot2004]

18. Thanks for the RAI news link. I wonder if I can be brave enough

to watch this horror?

[Renew Deal]

19. Thanks Cornelia

And Welcome to DU!!! :hi:

[LibertyorDeath]

27. Welcome & Thank You !

These are War crimes no room for excuses

The individuals that gave the orders to use these prohibited weapons
are War Criminals.

If they are not Prosecuted for their crimes they will go on to commit more and so will those that follow in their foot steps.

This is not the time to be silent it is the time to Stand Up and SHOUT

NOT IN MY NAME Not with my tax dollars incinerating Women and children.

NO!!
Hope all DUers do this

Sending this Video to everyone I know & encouraging then to do the same
Then I'm sending it to the Producers of Frontline see what they think.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/contact/c4.html
"How can I submit a story idea?

Story ideas can be sent to: Story Editor, FRONTLINE, 125 Western Ave., Boston, MA 02134. FRONTLINE welcomes suggestions from our viewers and we review all letters and ideas. We produce approximately 18 new programs each season and evaluate over 600 program suggestions and proposals."

Also to the excellent Canadian News Show The Fifth Estate they would show this in Canada.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/contact.html

Thank You Cornelia

[0007]

31. Thank you Cornelia, and welcome home. Hope to see more of you here.

It is far worse than Abu Ghraib, I agree!

[newyawker99]

35. Hi Cornelia!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Judi Lynn]

43. Just watched the video you've shared. Thank you so much.

I hope many, many, many more Americans will see this immediately. We need to know the truth, even if it seems we can't change what is happening.

This is a time which is testing the faith many people have had in mankind. I have no idea how this can end.

I'm so glad you contributed this link. I'm going to share it, too.

[Sequoia]

60. Welcome to DU brand new member!

and thanks.

[On the Road]

61. Thanks for the Video, Cornelia,

and welcome to DU!

:hi:

[geckosfeet]

62. Greetings Cornelia. Welcome to DU. Please keep us up to date

on the happenings in Italy. I have relatives (cousins) in Abruzzi.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

69. Downloading before it gets taken out. (44 megabytes, yikes)

[Ladyhawk]

81. Whenever I see a citizen from another country, I feel like apologizing.

I am ashamed of my government. I am ashamed of members of my family and others who installed this brutal, corrupt regime. I am ashamed of those who are still supporting him and making excuses for war crimes and torture. I am sorry that my country has foisted this evil regime on the world.

[RethugAssKicker]

7. What?... How come Aljazera has not reported this.

How does this come from Italy and not from Arab sources.

[Moochy]

25. Maybe the Italians got the scoop?

Seems reasonable to me.

[mwooldri]

74. AlJazeera are now reporting it

at least on their English website. I unfortunately don't understand Arabic and don't watch their channel, so I don't know if it was reported in the Arab media.

Link:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/A4880137-5E07-4AFD-A3A0-995A84E826F2.htm

[justiceischeap]

8. Why does Italy hate our freedoms?

Thank dog someone in the international community is trying to hold this admins feet to the fire!

[enid602]

9. Iraq

I certainly hope this satellite 'proof' is someone's idea of a joke or hoax; otherwise it provides a fightening look into the type of people with whom we're dealing.

[elehhhhna]

10. Nominated.

[HereSince1628]

11. More on this from a blog site: Meet Willy Pete

http://imnotworthy.blogspot.com/2005/04/meet-willy-pete.html

Sounds like it's intended use is to generate a smoke screen, though that wouldn't prevent it from being misused.

[PatriotMom]

71. Going over pictures from Dahr's site a while back, I saw that the

bodies were burned or melted it appeared and the clothing was left untouched. I wondered then what type of weapon was used to cause this. Now I know.
Bush and his whole regime should be brought up on charges of crimes against humanity. IF there is any justice left in this world it will happen.
Peace Now

[Angry Girl]

About time! The Napalm Cover-up (june 2005 article)

Shocking and disgraceful how little coverage this got.
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/June05/Whitney0627.htm

[Ioo]

12. Nominated.

[rocktivity]

13. They've denied using "poison" gas

but a gas doesn't have to be poisonous to be lethal. Under the right circumstances, STEAM, made of water, can sure kill you!

:headbang:
rocknation

[rocktivity]

14. If you don't like it, Italy

PULL YOUR TROOPS--NOW!!!!!

:headbang:
rocknation

[Frustratedlady]

17. I'm from the U.S.A.

Would you give me the same instruction? I don't like this one bit!:)

[meganmonkey]

16. I wonder if this story will ever break here

There have been pictures of this on the web, although one site that had them pretty much disappeared (fallujah in Pictures - whatever happened to that site?)

So sick, and so sad :cry:

[jsamuel]

21. Is it genocide yet?

Who is using WMD on who?

[reprehensor]

22. High-res download.

http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/default_02112005.asp

[leQ]

34. would this be tied to jenin by any chance? (eom)

[mshasta]

23. ....this is a global terrorism against humanity

this administration and their criminals belong in the gas chamber ....

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

24. If this is the chemical similar to napalm, they were using it at the

beginning of the war too, which is Completely against International Law.

[Lowell]

26. Is white phosphorous

considered a chemical weapon? I know, first hand, that we have been using it in combat for a long time. It was used in grenades during WWII, Korea and I saw it in Vietnam. If it is being used on civilians then that is totally wrong and criminal, but if it is used in combat against armed military forces I believe it is an accepted practice.

Willy Peter is a horrible weapon. It will burn right through a body and there is little that can be done to stop it. Unlike napalm, where the oxygen is sucked right out of the air immediately resulting in instant death before inceneration, white phosphorous literally eats the flesh away from its live victims.

War is barbaric. You'd think we have gotten further along by now. Still uncivilized barbarians after all these centuries.

[RethugAssKicker]

28. Chemical weapons are not acceptable...

whether used on soldiers or civilians!

[fooj]

29. Kick!

:kick:

[Rainscents]

32. Kick and nominated!

:kick:

[EC]

33. Wasn't this what the Italian reporter was working on

when she was fired on by American forces? (when she was taken hostage and freed)

[Cornelia]

36. Giuliana Sgrena is in the video

EC, Giuliana Sgrena (the italian reporter) is in the video and says plain and simple that she was researching about Falluja when she was kidnapped.

Thanks everybody for the warm welcome. Democratic Americans are the best force we have in the world. (hey... I don't mean the party!!! LOL)

[EC]

39. Thank you,

Cornelia, I was sure she was working in Falluja, so I guess my memory hasn't left me yet.

And Welcome to DU, my Dad's family is from Italy...

[seatnineb]

80. "i miei rapitori non me l'hanno permesso"

le parole di Guiliana Sgrena:
Avrei voluto raccontare tutto questo, ma i miei rapitori non me l'hanno permesso".

In the words of Guiliana Sgrena:
"I would have liked to have told all of this(about the use of phophorouse and napalm),but my kidnappers didn't allow me to"

Cornelia....

Benvenuto/Benvenuta a' DU!

[reprehensor]

37. Pretty powerful stuff.

[IChing]

38. the original thread with the Italian poster original video link.

kick

[EC]

40. Okay, finally had time to finish reading it

does everyone here remember all the Brits and Americans that were dressed like insurgents that were caught? Couldn't her kidnapping had been by these types of insurgents? :tinfoilhat: ?

[Judi Lynn]

44. EC, I've thought about this, too. I'm glad you mentioned it.

It seems logical that they were the ones, as they were the only ones who would actually NOT want her to expose what had happened in Fallujah. She said they told her she should not reveal what she had learned. That wouldn't make sense from the insurgent position.

[reprehensor]

41. kick

[savemefromdumbya]

42. "we do not torture or use chemical weapons!"

[dutchdemocrat]

45. Video online in Flash 8 format and downloadable as a wmv file.

Video online in Flash 8 format and downloadable as a wmv file.

http://chris-floyd.com/fallujah/

DD

[LynneSin]

46. Thank goodness we got rid of Saddam so he can't do it to Civilians

we'll save it for ourselves

[William769]

47. disgusting.

[ComerPerro]

49. If that's true, then its not Bush and the DoD who will be shamed

it will be all of us.

Americans.

You and me, included.

[acmavm]

68. It's true and I AM ashamed.

.

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

50. Grazie Cornelia

(from a transplanted bolognese). :hi:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

51. So that's why they ambushed her car and killed that agent

[Jose Diablo]

55. Yep, and Negroponte's fingerprints are all over that little deed n/t

[FizzFuzz]

52. will this ever break through to general consciousness?

maybe in 20 years....

but I hope the power of the "internets" brings it out sooner.

Now I've got to run and vomit, before leaving for work.

:cry:

(arg, I hate the feeling of knowing turdCo was evil right from the start but couldn't make it stop.... :( )

[graywarrior]

53. This infuriates me. I never wanted to be part of this, but I am.

Just when you think you cannot get any more angry. Bastards.

[Jose Diablo]

54. I'd say this was a parting present from the Bu$h administration

to the incoming Dem administration, in a way like Waco was to Clinton and Reno.

Only problem for Bu$h is that the election fraud worked keeping him in the role of responsibility for this war crime.

Though it technically isn't napalm as it's not gasoline jelly, the W77 does use kerosene jelly and polystyrene so it's effects are just as dramatic as napalm.

White Phosphorus isn't supposed to be used as a weapon either, it's legitimate legal use is to illuminate the battlefield. Using it against a civilian population is beyond the pale.

These people in the leadership positions have made our soldiers accomplices in war crimes. As Americans, we also are responsible for what they have done in our name.

[Mugsy]

56. Is there any "Moral Highground" left for Bush Supporters to claim?

Lied the country into war.

Fiscal irresponsibility.

Outing CIA agents then lying about it.

Killing 100,000 Iraqi civilians, many of them women and children. And statistically, some of those woment MUST have been pregnant at the time.

Using Torture just like Saddam.

and now, Using Chemical Weapons.

(I'm sure there is more).

What "Moral Highground" is left for Bush supporters to claim?

:shrug:

[Junkdrawer]

57. DemocracyNow had the story this morning...

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/08/1516227

Bodies melted, clothes left in place... :puke:

[IkeWarnedUs]

58. I have never been more ashamed to be an American

And that's saying a lot.

[achtung_circus]

63. Kick and Recommended. nt

64. BBC article on US using white phosphorus

Excerpt from BBC article ----


'Destroyed evidence'

The documentary begins with formerly classified footage of the Americans using napalm bombs during the Vietnam war. It then shows a series of photographs from Falluja of corpses with the flesh burnt off but clothes still intact - which it says is consistent with the effects of white phosphorus on humans.

Jeff Englehart, described as a former US soldier who served in Falluja, tells of how he heard orders for white phosphorus to be deployed over military radio - and saw the results.

"Burned bodies, burned women, burned children; white phosphorus kills indiscriminately... When it makes contact with skin, then it's absolutely irreversible damage, burning flesh to the bone," he says.

Englehart interview
Last December, the US state department issued a denial of what it called "widespread myths" about the use of illegal weapons in Falluja.

"Phosphorus shells are not outlawed. US forces have used them very sparingly in Falluja, for illumination purposes. They were fired into the air to illuminate enemy positions at night, not at enemy fighters," the US statement said. However, the Rai film also alleges that Washington has systematically attempted to destroy filmed evidence of the alleged use of white phosphorus on civilians in Falluja.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4417024.stm

[reprehensor]

65. Rate it on Yahoo!

Reuters just picked it up...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051108/ts_nm/iraq_usa_weapons_dc

[cyberpj]

66. VIDEO and Italian site slideshow were posted here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5295412

[mistertrickster]

67. Explains why Italian journalist was shot at and almost killed by our side

DID you see this--"I gathered accounts of the use of phosphorus and napalm from a few Fallujah refugees whom I met before being kidnapped, says Manifesto reporter Giuliana Sgrena, who was kidnapped in Fallujah last February, in a recorded interview. I wanted to get the story out, but my kidnappers would not permit it."

Hmmm . . . rather a good reason for firing on her and almost killing her accidentally on purpose by our side, wasn't it?

[prescole]

70. First saw this on dailykos...now that BBC and Yahoo are running it

can the MSM afford to ignore it?

Looks like Bush is losing ground with his conservative base AND the "coalition of the willing." Pretty soon, Babs and Laura will be all he's got left.

[oc2002]

72. [wiggles finger in face]Its All Propaganda. ..toododeelool

..you get the idea here...

[Robeysays]

73. i do not support the death penalty but in this case.

some body needs to be tried and hung.



GOD DAMN IT! i'm going to cry. wtf.

[makeanoise]

75. I have a link to the Video here...

In English...

Be warned, not for the faint of heart, but neither is the Bush Adminstration...
:(

This makes me very sad...

http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/video/fallujah_ING.wmv

[bornagainhuman]

76. do you think that somebody can get out of the military for not supporting

this cruel and unjust war with an honerable discharge, i watched this and wanted to throw up at what this "civilazed and just" country is doing to children

[Ravachol]

77. Hmmm. Reporting it to friends here, in Quebec.

We are all pretty disgusted. Just created a thread on a national students union forum (the radical left) and, so far, everyone is... simply... not surprised at all.

American-way of doing things prevailed, once again. Nothing new under the sun. "Do as I say, not as I do".

The american people will be held responsible for this monstruosity, just like the german people in 45. I'd love to see some of the "Bush-loving" team clean the Fallujah slaughter, to force them to search for bodies and bury them just like a lot of german people were forced to do in the concentration camps.

This is a genocide, nothing short.

[northamericancitizen]

78. Welcome to DU Ravachol.

and a warm hello

from Québec city

[cyberpj]

79. HELLO? With 34 votes - why isn't this on the Greatest page?

I know there were good elections and all but this is important stuff that we now have the opportunity to put in front of the public!

What's up?

[cyberpj]

82. KICK

[newspeak]

83. yes, the more atrocities committed by Americans

the more the rest of the world will look the other way if we are attacked again. We may have garnered support and sympathy after 9/11, but it has eroded and we are to blame. Every time this administration cites 9/11 and the 3,000 who lost their lives, I think of all of the death and suffering that has been created since 9/11-if anything happens in this country again-i hold this administration directly responsible!!!!!