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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:58 AM
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Know your BFEE: Bush and bin Laden Clans Together in Bed
It’s no joke. Among their many interesting “business” relationships, the Bush Family Evil Empire is in bed with the clan of Osama bin Laden.



Witness one of the more interesting "coincidences" of recent history, made crystal clear by one James R Bath, Texas Air National Guard flying buddy of one George W Bush:



Bush & Bin Laden - George W. Bush Had Ties to Billionaire bin Laden Brood

The unexplained death of Salem, Osama bin Laden's oldest brother, in 1988, brought to an abrupt end a long and intriguing relationship between President Bush and the head of the bin Laden family fortune.

By Roger Miller

EXCERPT…

James R. Bath, a friend and neighbor, was used to funnel money from Osama bin Laden's brother, Salem bin Laden, to set up George W. Bush in the oil business, according to The Wall Street Journal and other reputable sources.

Through a tangled web of Saudi multi-millionaires, Texas oilmen, and the infamous Bank of Credit and Commerce International, Bush was financially linked with the bin Laden family until Salem met an untimely end in a freak flying accident near San Antonio in 1988.
The infamous BCCI was shut down in 1991 with some $10 billion in losses.

SNIP…

Salem bin Laden, a close friend of the Saudi King Fahd had "invested heavily in Bush's first business venture," according to The Daily Mail (U.K.).

Arbusto later became Bush Exploration, when Bush's father became vice president. As the company neared financial collapse in September 1984, it was merged with Spectrum 7 Energy Corp. in an effort to stay afloat.

The 50 investors who propped up the Bush company with $4.7 million were "mainly friends of my uncle" who "did pretty good" in Bush's words, although they lost most of the money they invested in the company. Jon Bush, George's uncle, raised money for Arbusto from political supporters of the Reagan-Bush administration.

"These were all the Bushs' pals," family friend Russell Reynolds told the Dallas Morning News in 1998. "This is the A-Team."

CONTINUED…

http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_07_01/Bush___Bin_Laden_-_George_W__B/bush___bin_laden_-_george_w__b.html



Victor Thorn of The Sierra Times gets it:



The Bush-Bin Laden Family Connection

by Victor Thorn

EXCERPT…

Don’t believe me? Well, how about this one. In December, 2001, Frank Carlucci and James Baker (both Carlyle representatives) met at the Ritz-Carlton in Washington, D.C. for their annual investor conference. Also in attendance were the representatives of another important family that had invested huge amounts of money in the Carlyle Group. And what family were these individuals from? Hold your breath, but it was the BIN LADEN Family. Worse, another famous politician was rumored to be at this same meeting after the SPENT THE NIGHT AT THE WHITE HOUSE with George W. Bush. And who was it that supposedly met with the bin Laden family after spending the night at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? Answer: George Bush, Sr.!

Things are getting even stickier, huh? Well, Larry Klayman, spokesman for Judicial Watch, comments on this subject. “The idea of the President’s father, an ex-President himself, doing business with a company under investigation by the FBI in the terror attacks of September 11 is horrible. President Bush should not ask, but demand that his father pull out of the Carlyle Group.”

Tom Fitton, President of Judicial Watch, echoes this sentiment. “For the father of our current President to be doing business with foreign governments, there is a clear conflict of interest.”

Now some of you may be wondering, “Hey, did I read that last paragraph correctly – that the Bush family was doing business with the bin Laden family?” Regrettably, yes you did. Here’s the story. Back in the early 1970s when George Bush started his first company, Arbusto Energy, Inc, his first business partner was Salem bin Laden. Yes, Osama bin Laden’s brother! This fact is confirmed by the United Kingdom’s “Daily Mail” which wrote that Salem bin Laden, “Invested heavily in Bush’s first business venture.” Salem is also a close friend of Saudi Arabia’s King Fahd.

Now some may say, hey, that was a long time ago. Let bygones be bygones. But how does that account, then, for George Bush Sr.’s meeting TWICE with the bin Laden family prior to the 9-11 attacks, the second time being in January, 2000? Or how the bin Laden’s have been frequented by Bush, James Baker, and Frank Carlucci over the past few years in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia?

CONTINUED…

http://www.sierratimes.com/cgi-bin/warroom/topic.cgi?forum=15&topic=36



Those who need more solid proof will enjoy reading the actual document establishing the link between James R Bath and George W Bush:



A very good history on the subject from our friends at Hermes-Press.com:



The Bush-Saudi Connection

By Michelle Mairesse

EXCERPT…

Special Saudis

Michael Springmann, formerly chief of the visa section at the US Embassy in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, claims that he rejected hundreds of suspicious visa applications, but the C.I.A. officer overruled him and ordered the visas to be issued. Springmann protested to the State Department, the Office of Diplomatic Security, the F.B.I., the Justice Department and congressional committees, but in vain. (10)

Springmann observed that 15 of the 19 people who allegedly flew airplanes into buildings in the United States got their visas from the same CIA-dominated consulate in Jeddah. As a special favor to residents of Saudi Arabia (including non-Saudi citizens), applicants for non-immigrant visas can apply at private travel agencies and receive their visa through the mail. During the months following the 9-11 attack, 102 applicants received their visas by mail, 2 more were interviewed, and none were rejected.

The Saudis always got special treatment. In a November 6, 2001 BBC broadcast Greg Palast revealed just how special that treatment was. Even after Pakistan expelled the World Association of Muslim Youth (WAMY) and India claimed that the organization was linked to terrorist bombings in Kashmir and the Philippines military accused WAMY of funding Muslim insurgency, the F.B.I. got orders to leave the "charitable association" alone.

After 9/11, investigators of the Islamic charities discovered overwhelming evidence that Saudis at all levels worked in tandem with the terrorists. David Kaplin reports, “At the Saudi High Commission in Bosnia, which coordinated local aid among Saudi charities, police found before-and-after photos of the World Trade Center, files on pesticides and crop dusters, and information on how to counterfeit State Department badges. At Manila's international airport, authorities stopped Agus Dwikarna, an al Haramain representative based in Indonesia. In his suitcase were C4 explosives.” The interlocking charities make it difficult to follow the money trail. “Many share directors, office space, and cash flow. For two years, investigators have followed the money to offshore trusts and obscure charities which, according to court records, they believe are tied to Hamas, al Qaeda, and other terrorist groups.” (US News and World Report, December 15, 2003).

"The White House official line is that the Bin Ladens are above suspicion --apart from Osama, the black sheep, who they say hijacked the family name. That's fortunate for the Bush family and the Saudi royal household, whose links with the Bin Ladens could otherwise prove embarrassing. But Newsnight has obtained evidence that the FBI was on the trail of other members of the Bin Laden family for links to terrorist organisations before and after September 11th." (11)

In the Boston Globe, March 11, 20004, Carl Unger, author of House of Bush, House of Saud: The Secret Relationship Between the World’s Two Most Powerful Dynasties, states that the 9/11 commission should ask who authorized the evacuation of 140 Saudi nationals on at least 8 aircraft making stops in 12 cities immediately following the attacks. “Many of the passengers were high-ranking members of the royal House of Saud. About 24 of them were members of the bin Laden family, which owned the Saudi Binladin Group, a multibillion-dollar construction conglomerate.” Unger obtained passenger lists for 4 of the flights, which are posted on his website: www.houseofbush.com and includes the name of Prince Ahmed bin Salman.

SNIP…

Unger believes that this episode “raises particularly sensitive questions for the administration. Never before in history has a president of the United States had such a close relationship with another foreign power as President Bush and his father have had with the Saudi royal family, the House of Saud. I have traced more than $1.4 billion in investments and contracts that went from the House of Saud over the past 20 years to companies in which the Bushes and their allies have had prominent positions -- Harken Energy, Halliburton, and the Carlyle Group among them. Is it possible that President Bush himself played a role in authorizing the evacuation of the Saudis after 9/11? What did he know and when did he know it?”

CONTINUED…

http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm



What’s all this mean? Well, look in the mirror. Look at those around you. Consider the world the children will inherit. It’s been four years since the attacks of 9-11.



Most of America still hasn’t considered what it all means. Within weeks of 9-11, Steven Clemons did…



Blowback from Bin Laden

By Steven C. Clemons
Senior Fellow

NRC Handelsbad
October 3, 2001

September 11th will now replace December 7th as the most notorious date on the American calendar. A brilliantly executed terrorist attack, likely masterminded by Saudi-born Islamic fundamentalist Osama bin Laden, has wiped the World Trade Center towers clean from the Manhattan skyline, caused more than 5,000 deaths, and penetrated and gashed to the core the Pentagon, command center of the world’s most powerful military.

While most Americans are focused on quick retribution for the terrorist tragedies of September 11, the question of why this happened needs to be considered. What were the circumstances in the preceding years that provided an environment where so many in the Middle East would dance in the streets celebrating such horror and the death of innocents? Many believe that Bin Laden and other “evil souls” in the Middle East live for terror, want to destabilize America because of its support of Israel, and are glorified by dying for their cause. This all may be true, but another compelling explanation of the tragedy that unfolded in New York and Washington is that this was American foreign policy backlash, or “blowback” of covert deeds done abroad, as the CIA calls it.

Like former Panama President Manuel Noriega, and Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden was cultivated, funded, and armed by the CIA to help further America’s foreign policy objectives at that time. In 1979, bin Laden and several hundred of his loyal workmen in the Saudi construction industry moved to Afghanistan to fight Soviet “infidel invaders.” Like the Soviets and Chinese who armed and assisted the Vietnamese in their war with the United States, the U.S. - in one of the last great geopolitical skirmishes of the Cold War - funded and assisted Afghan freedom fighters against the Soviets. Bin Laden’s fundamentalist zealotry was commissioned by the U.S. to fight our cause, but when the United States decided to semi-permanently deploy more than 30,000 troops in the Arab region, the U.S.-trained bin Laden fanatics mobilized against America.

In an interview with biographer Peter Bergen, Bin Laden states: “The collapse of the Soviet Union made the U.S. more haughty, and it has started to look at itself as a master of this world and established what it calls the new world order. . .The U.S. today has set a double standard, calling whomever goes against its injustice a terrorist. It wants to occupy our countries, steal our resources, impose on us agents to rule us…and wants us to agree to all of these.” While September 11 strips bin Laden of a legitimate voice, his beliefs are shared by many elites and massive numbers of ordinary people in the very Arab states America is protecting.

SNIP…

America didn’t deserve these attacks and its citizens shouldn’t feel the uncertainty about their future that they now feel. However, U.S. political and military leaders seem blind to the fact that much of the ill will and well-trained fanaticism against America was cultivated by the U.S. during the Cold War. Furthermore, every serious defense think tank, national security expert, and government commission probing the future of U.S. national security threats - has predicted terrorism on American soil in the near term future.

CONTINUED…

http://www.newamerica.net/index.cfm?pg=article&DocID=576



Gee. Small world. And very, very bad for people who are the enemies of the BFEE.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:06 PM
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1. Hey Octafish.....thanks for the continuing awareness of the BFEE.
Please check this thread. Looks like Jon Winer (Kerry's righthand man on IranContra and BCCI) is aware of voting machine fraud.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5277824
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:26 PM
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2. You're welcome, blm! Remember all them bin Ladens flying out of Dodge?
Here's something to enrage your favorite neo-con:



Plane Carried 13 Bin Ladens

Manifest of Sept. 19, 2001, Flight From U.S. Is Released


By Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 22, 2004; Page A07

At least 13 relatives of Osama bin Laden, accompanied by bodyguards and associates, were allowed to leave the United States on a chartered flight eight days after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, according to a passenger manifest released yesterday.

One passenger, Omar Awad bin Laden, a nephew of the al Qaeda leader, had been investigated by the FBI because he had lived with Abdullah bin Laden, a leader of the World Assembly of Muslim Youth, which the FBI suspected of being a terrorist organization.

The passenger list was made public by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), who obtained the manifest from officials at Boston's Logan International Airport. Lautenberg's office was given the document in recent weeks and released it before today's issuance of the final report of the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks.

Although much was already known about the "bin Laden flight," Lautenberg provided additional details, including the information that the plane, a 727 owned by DB Air and operated by Ryan International, began its flight in Los Angeles and made stops in Orlando, Dulles International Airport and Boston before continuing to Gander, Newfoundland; Paris; Geneva; and Jiddah, Saudi Arabia. The aircraft, tail number N521DB, has been chartered frequently by the White House for the press corps traveling with President Bush.

SNIP...

Dale Watson, former FBI counterterrorism chief, said yesterday that FBI agents "scrubbed the people who were leaving, and I was informed none of them were anybody we needed to detain or not allow to leave."

CONTINUED...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4014-2004Jul21.html



Thanks for giving a damn, blm. This isn't history when we're living it.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:56 PM
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8. oooohhhh, but Kissassikoff denied that happened, and smeared
Micheal Moore on the subject back awhile ago

the socalled aribiter of everything, snopes.com, had to retract their own vicious Moore attack, as well

Richard Clarke contradicted himself on that one, too. I remember his statement defending the FBI guy who let them go, having just read his book, in which he recounted the binLaden family's getting the special treatment WITHOUT being questioned at all, in some cases, and only in the most cursory manner.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:33 PM
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15. That's the problem even at DU, Octafish. Some are still incredibly unaware
of how everything happening today is fully connected to what was happening back then. They dismiss real information from the 80s and 90s as if it's ancient history. Simply boggles my mind every time someone says it was so long ago.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:30 PM
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3. K and R, as always....but isn't it sad that......
all this info isn't exactly new, especially to those here?

btw, isn't Clemons the guy from Washington Note?

He was on Wisconsin Public Radio last week for an hour, discussing the leak/run up to the war with a very sympathetic hostette.

she's had excellent guests all week

I also heard Robert Parry on a Pittsburgh radio station, the one that starts with a "K"!!!!

more....I talked to John Dean on Allan Colmes' radio show the other night, and axed him if he thought the media were at least as much to blame for what's been happening since dumbo got selected, after mentioning specifically how pissed I was that Pete Williams has assumed a significant role, all of a sudden, in the Plame Leak Affair

he agreed, mentioning Judy Miller/NYT/WashPost, and the egregious behavior they displayed

speaking of the Post, whadda have on Cord/Mary Meyer/Ben Bradlee/Mockingbird, etc? found a good site on that....Spartacus, or something; history/discussion site with wide ranging topics. Interesting about that book on Katherine Graham ("Katherine the Great") that was PULPED during the first run--20,000 hardback copies, and kept unpublished for four years. sound Hatfieldesque, or what?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:43 PM
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4. Looks like they're one and the same Clemons. Re: MOCKINGBIRD...
Clemons' bio:

http://www.newamerica.net/index.cfm?pg=Bio&contactID=2&Con_DeptsID=1173

Regarding MOCKINBIRD:



In 1948 Frank Wisner was appointed director of the Office of Special Projects. Soon afterwards it was renamed the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC). This became the espionage and counter-intelligence branch of the Central Intelligence Agency. Wisner was told to create an organization that concentrated on "propaganda, economic warfare; preventive direct action, including sabotage, anti-sabotage, demolition and evacuation measures; subversion against hostile states, including assistance to underground resistance groups, and support of indigenous anti-Communist elements in threatened countries of the free world."

Later that year Wisner established Mockingbird, a program to influence the domestic American media. Wisner recruited Philip Graham (Washington Post) to run the project within the industry. Graham himself recruited others who had worked for military intelligence during the war. This included James Truitt, Russell Wiggins, Phil Geyelin, John Hayes and Alan Barth. Others like Stewart Alsop, Joseph Alsop and James Reston, were recruited from within the Georgetown Set. According to Deborah Davis (Katharine the Great): "By the early 1950s, Wisner 'owned' respected members of the New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications vehicles."

In 1951 Allen W. Dulles persuaded Cord Meyer to join the CIA. However, there is evidence that he was recruited several years earlier and had been spying on the liberal organizations he had been a member of in the later 1940s. According to Deborah Davis, Meyer became Mockingbird's "principal operative".

One of the most important journalists under the control of Operation Mockingbird was Joseph Alsop, whose articles appeared in over 300 different newspapers. Other journalists willing to promote the views of the CIA included Stewart Alsop (New York Herald Tribune), Ben Bradlee (Newsweek), James Reston (New York Times), Charles Douglas Jackson (Time Magazine), Walter Pincus (Washington Post), William C. Baggs (Miami News), Herb Gold (Miami News) and Charles Bartlett (Chattanooga Times). According to Nina Burleigh (A Very Private Woman) these journalists sometimes wrote articles that were commissioned by Frank Wisner. The CIA also provided them with classified information to help them with their work.

After 1953 the network was overseen by Allen W. Dulles, director of the Central Intelligence Agency. By this time Operation Mockingbird had a major influence over 25 newspapers and wire agencies. These organizations were run by people with well-known right-wing views such as William Paley (CBS), Henry Luce (Time Magazine and Life Magazine), Arthur Hays Sulzberger (New York Times), Alfred Friendly (managing editor of the Washington Post), Jerry O'Leary (Washington Star), Hal Hendrix (Miami News), Barry Bingham Sr., (Louisville Courier-Journal), James Copley (Copley News Services) and Joseph Harrison (Christian Science Monitor).

The Office of Policy Coordination (OPC) was funded by siphoning of funds intended for the Marshall Plan. Some of this money was used to bribe journalists and publishers. Frank Wisner was constantly looked for ways to help convince the public of the dangers of communism. In 1954 Wisner arranged for the funding the Hollywood production of Animal Farm, the animated allegory based on the book written by George Orwell.

CONTINUED...

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmockingbird.htm



I'm with you, Gabi Hayes. It's no mystery that so many know so little about what's going on.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:49 PM
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5. that's exactly the site, Octa
I got lost there the other day......

Tim Leary giving Mary Pinchot (Meyer) acid, which she gave to....

JFK!

I forgot about that one

then, head spook turning up in her place, looking for her diary, caught by pal Ben Bradlee and his wife/her sister

Bradlee's rise to power, btw, according to the Katherine Graham bio, stems from his work in Paris during the Rosenberg trial aftermath, writing newspaper stories urging their execution

he went nuts publicly denying his CIA ties when the book was first published, and when the author came up with FOIA documents clearly linking him to CIA, he STOPPED talking about it. refuses to discuss it anymore. I'd so love to see somebody with balls bring that one up in conversation

and WTF is up with Richard Ober? what do you know about him? I thought I knew a lot about Watergate.....
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:19 PM
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58. The world's finest history teacher...
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 03:21 PM by DrDebug
Just imagine that everybody had John Simkin as a history teacher during high school. There'd be no way that Bush would have managed to gain power, because you'd have an informed citizenship. Lucky for us John shared all his wisdom on http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk

It's not just about JFK. Even though he has everything about him, but it contains so many subjects with the best and most complete information. Here's to you John. I wouldn't have known about this if it weren't for your website :toast:

Mary Pinchot Meyer. ( http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmeyerM.htm ) Quite a woman. She's very important, because she had an affair with JFK and she knew a lot of what was going on behind the scenes...



JFK with Mary Meyer (far right). Antoinette Bradlee is second on the left.

Mary Pinchot Meyer was the sister of Ben Bradlee's second wife, Tony Pinchot. She was a very beautiful, talented artist who was living in Washington, DC in the early '65 and she was the lover, I would say the principal lover, of John Kennedy, who was President of the United States. He was supposedly very much in love with her and wanted to divorce Jackie and marry her. (...) <1>

She was murdered a year after Kennedy died. Kennedy was killed in 22 November 1963. <1>

At approximately 12:45 PM on October 12, 1964, a 43-year-old Washington, DC area artist was gunned down on a towpath in Georgetown. The death of this woman, Mary Pinchot Meyer, brought much criticism towards Washington's Metropolitan Police Department for its inability to protect the public, but it was the shadowy events before and after her murder which have kept Mary's death a concern of people today. Jim Marrs's book, Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy, lists Mary Pinchot Meyer's death as one of the mysterious deaths associated with the John F. Kennedy Assassination (559). <2>

Some young black man was put in jail for ten months, held over until his trial and then he was acquitted because there was no evidence. And they've never found the killer but people who have investigated the case say that it had all the earmarks of a professional assassination. <1>

In March, 1976, James Truitt gave an interview to the National Enquirer. Truitt told the newspaper that Mary Pinchot Meyer was having an affair with John F. Kennedy. He also claimed that Meyer had told his wife, Ann Truitt, that she was keeping an account of this relationship in her diary. Meyer asked Truitt to take possession of a private diary "if anything ever happened to me". <3>

Ann Truitt was living in Tokyo at the time of the murder. She phoned Ben Bradlee at his home and asked him if he had found the diary. Bradlee, who claimed he was unaware of his sister-in-law's affair with Kennedy, knew nothing about the diary. He later recalled what he did after Truitt's phone-call: "We didn't start looking until the next morning, when Tony and I walked around the corner a few blocks to Mary's house. It was locked, as we had expected, but when we got inside, we found Jim Angleton, and to our complete surprise he told us he, too, was looking for Mary's diary." <3>

James Angleton, CIA counter-intelligence chief, admitted that he knew of Mary's relationship with John F. Kennedy and was searching her home looking for her diary and any letters that would reveal details of the affair. According to Ben Bradlee, it was Mary's sister, Antoinette Bradlee, who found the diary and letters a few days later. It was claimed that the diary was in a metal box in Mary's studio. The contents of the box were given to Angleton who claimed he burnt the diary (this was later found to be untrue). <3>

There is another possible reason why both Angleton and Bradlee were searching for documents in Meyer's house. Meyer had been married to a leading CIA operative involved in a variety of covert operations in the early 1950s. Were they worried that Meyer had kept a record of these activities? Was this why Mary Pinochet Meyer had been murdered? <3>

Is it a coincidence that the two women closest to JFK died in the years following his assassination. Did JFK tell Mary Meyer and Florence Smith something that was not good for their health? <3>

Sources:
1: http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id1415/pg1/
2: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/death12.htm (Please note that mcadams is a disinformation site and therefore gives a distorted view of the truth, but in this case he merely left out the juicy details)
3: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=3520


edit: spelling
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:52 PM
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7. Truitt, WashPost employee, sacked by Bradlee, was hubby of
woman who talked about the JFK diary, and blabbed to the Enquirer when he got fired, prompting a disinfo campaign against him (1976), spearheaded by....Bradlee

I'm going to the library today and see if they have that book on Graham


what's the story with that Spartacus site? the principals there seem to have the goods on McAdam (sp?), chief online apologist for the Warren Commision
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 04:52 PM
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20. Feel sorry for professional liars. It must take a toll...
... The presstitutes and their masters have a lot to answer for.

Blaming the Rosenbergs -- especially Ethel -- for the faults of the MI-Complex is really something.



BOMBSHELL

The Secret Story Of America's Unknown Atomic Spy Conspiracy


By Joseph Albright and Marcia Kunstel,
Times Books, $25

Nov. 9 - For five decades it was Julius and Ethel Rosenberg and the physicist Klaus Fuchs. They were the villains, along with Ethel's brother David Greenglass and a few other dedicated socialists who gave away U.S. atomic secrets, who aided and abetted Joe Stalin, murderer of 25 million and enemy of humankind.

But they did it for the principle, however arrogant and undemocratic their thought processes. They didn't do it for the money, like Aldrich Ames and other recent spies who sold their colleagues' lives for the price of a big-screen TV. In any event, they were all caught by our dedicated and efficient counter-intelligence apparatus - the FBI. Then they were punished.

But there was at least one other spy within the Manhattan Project who aided the Soviets during World War II. He was a brilliant teenage scientist working on the A-bomb at Los Alamos. He gave the Soviets far more than the Rosenbergs, and did it earlier than Fuchs.

The FBI was handed his name by Army officials who had broken the code on Soviet diplomatic messages. But the FBI couldn't build a case and he went on to live a long and comfortable life. Now, he's in his 70s, resides in Britain, and remains steadfast in the certitude that he did the right thing.

His name is Theodore Hall. "Bombshell'' is his story, well told with insight and balance by former Cox Newspapers correspondents Joseph Albright and Marcia Kunstel. Albright and Kunstel spent three years sifting through declassified Russian and U.S. documents. They interviewed hundreds of people who might have had anything to do with Ted Hall from his birth to the present. They cross-checked sources. They compiled, verified and prioritized information. They tell a complex story with no hyperbole, make no normative assessment and give new meaning to the word balance.

CONTINUED...



Gee. What could be worse than commies with the Bomb?

I'd guess: NAZIs with the Bomb.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:52 PM
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6. Octafish! Keep it coming!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 04:16 PM
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17. Hi, lonestarnot! Here's what Bill White wrote Patrick Fitzgerald...
...regarding James R Bath and his connections to the Bush Mafia:



Charles W.(Bill) White

P.O. Box 130241, Houston, Texas 77219

                                                                                                  November 1, 2005

Patrick J. Fitzgerald, Special Counsel

Bond Federal Building

1400 New York Ave. NW, 9th floor

Washington, D.C.  20530 

Re:  Open Letter

Dear Mr. Fitzgerald,

            I am writing to advise you that I have evidence that debunks Bush administration claims that your indictment of Vice President Cheney’s Chief of Staff is evidence that the outing of CIA undercover agent Valerie Plame was not a conspiracy, but rather an isolated incident carried out by a rouge administration official.  I am living proof that both Bush administrations have a sordid history of launching brutal attacks against uncorrupt Americans when the Bushes believe that their political ambitions are in jeopardy.  Based on my experience, I can assure you that what the Bush administration did in the Wilson/Plame matter amounts to little more than “business as usual”.   

            As your investigation into the CIA agent outing matter so aptly demonstrates, the Bush Administration routinely employs its intelligence agencies’ 3-Ds tactic to cover up when neutral parties stumble upon their dealings. They “Deny” involvement even when confronted with incontrovertible evidence, they attempt to “Discredit” the source of the truthful information, and finally, they attempt to “Divert” attention to some unrelated matter.  They hide their activities behind the smoke screen of “national security” whenever an outsider gets too close while access, money and self-serving leaking are used to intimidate and control the news media.   

            I became a target of this methodology when I stumbled upon illegal dealings between the Bush family, the Saudis and the Israelis in the mid to late 1980’s.   My former business partner, CIA cutout and W. Bush crony James R. Bath got himself in hot water when he misappropriated over a half million dollars from the Bin Laden family, for whom he served as trustee.  Discovery in the litigation threatened to unearth bank records showing the laundering of Bin Laden money through Houston banks, the funneling of funds to Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan, and Bath’s diversion of Bin Laden money to W. Bush.   Politically influenced members of both the Federal and State judiciary who were trying these cases never compelled production of the incriminating banking records or permitted the cases to go to trial.  Instead, the compromised judges disposed of the cases by awarding Bath and Bush’s bank “death penalty” sanctions and striking my pleadings.  I lost my income, my business, my home, my family and nearly all of my personal property because I steadfastly refused to participate in the cover-up.  The Harris County District Attorney’s office was unwilling to go after the Bushes or the Saudis while FBI, Comptroller of the Currency, and FINCEN investigations were stopped dead in their tracks by Bush political appointees. 

            Time Magazine reported on one facet of this story in its October 1990 article reporting accusations that W. Bush engaged in insider trading when he dumped his Harken Energy stock just before the price nosedived.   The Manhattan District Attorney’s office followed up Time’s investigation by bringing charges against Saudi banker Sheikh Khalid Bin Mahfouz (National Commercial Bank) in the BCCI banking scandal matter.   Still, the full story has never been told.   Opportunistic judges, who were all-too-willing to ingratiate themselves with the Bush family, covered up for them while complicit lawyers have been rewarded by Bush administration appointments to judgeships and prestigious, career-enhancing positions within governmental agencies.  

            There is no telling how many others have been the victims of the two Bush Administrations’ abuse.  While the President blithely dismisses his conduct as “just politics”, the unsavory conduct routinely engaged in by he and his staff is making a mockery of our Constitution, diminishing the stature of the United States as the world’s “good-guy” and threatening the legitimacy of the rule of law in America. The ability of our Country to survive the damage done by the Bush administration may well depend upon the outcome of your investigation.   I sincerely hope that the Office of Special Counsel will be able to rid the Bush White house of each and every occupant who routinely engages in malicious character assassination and stand ready to provide you with any and all evidence in my possession that you deem relevant to your investigation.   

                                                                        Yours truly, 

                                                                        Bill White  

Enclosures:   

                        BinLaden trust agreement

                        Time Magazine article

                        BinMahfouz indictment 

Cc:  Office of the Manhattan District Attorney



PS: Thanks for giving a damn, lonestarnot! Spreading the word about the BFEE is what They fear most -- the Truth.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 05:42 PM
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24. JFC!!!!! this is pretty new. did you start a thread on this letter?
Edited on Sun Nov-06-05 05:43 PM by Gabi Hayes
I remember the White story, but this is the first I've seen.

it certainly deserves wide wide attention

whatever became of this, anyway? what's the deal with White?

is he some sort of crackpot, or is this a legit deal?

wonder if Pete Brewton ever looked into him; it'd be right up his alley.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 07:56 PM
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26. Damn... Just saw your reply. Have been out all day. I read almost every
one of your know your Bushitler Fucking Evil Empire posts (sorry I took the liberty of renaming them LOL) They are truly evil to the core. Look what they did to this poor Bill White for trying to expose them. They must be stopped!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 08:59 AM
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45. DAMN CLINTON for siding w/Greenspan over Kerry - this should NEVER have
been dropped for ANY REASON.

It all focking connects with today and even some here at DU are in denial about this IRREFUTABLE FACT!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:00 PM
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9. Recommended. Everyone should understand BFEE nm
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 04:26 PM
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18. Thanks, texpatriot2004! BFEE is part Mafia, War Party...
...Big Oil, Big Pharma, the Military-Industrial Complex, the KKK, the neo-conmen, the NAZI-CIA Axis -- all working to make America into a Haiti for the 21st Century. Odd thing is so many don't see what is happening to them and go along with their baloney put out by their allies in Corporate McPravda. Well, then again, they are masters of deception. Not even Ian Fleming dreamed that one day a criminal organization would be able to hijack control of the United States Government.

That's why I try to bring this FBI document dated November 22, 1963 to the attention of DUers. It shows that George Herbert Walker Bush was involved, somehow, in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Why it hasn't been put on the cover of TIME magazine is understandable, given the above about the BFEE.



The following FBI document from a week later names "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" being briefed by J. Edgar Hoover about the reactions of the pro- and anti-Castro Cuban community to the assassination.



SOURCE: http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

It doesn't take a NAZI rocket scientist to figure out something's rotten in the Monkey House.


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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 05:32 PM
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50. I have seen that memo. I don't believe Poppy's bullshit about
he doesn't remember where he was - he'd be the only person alive in the world to not remember; plus there are pictures of him there in Dallas that day.

I think it is all connected...that this evil group has been working for years and years on their agenda.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 05:40 PM
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51. Here's a thread I started about the hostile takeover...most just
can't or won't believe that it's this radical...why not? I don't get it? It seems obvious.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2227810
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:27 PM
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10. I've said it more than once, and I'll say it again! I love your posts
Octafish! K and R and bookmarked for now. I have to run errands, but will read the entire thread later. Thanks!

:kick: & Recommended!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 05:17 PM
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21. Thanks, 'Sara! Didya hear Smear Boat O'Neill sank Bath's biz partner?
John (Smear Boat Captain) O'Neill was the big-time connected lawyer James R Bath's business partner turned to for "Justice." Bath borrowed half a mil from some Petrodollar sheikh or another and couldn't repay the loan. So he ripped off the company he ran with partner Bill White and burned White for the deal. When he decided not to play Bath's patsy, White turned to O'Neill. Little did he know O'Neill's connection to the BFEE...



William White CBC Interview

EXCERPT...

CBC: HE QUOTES THE NAME OF GEORGE BUSH?

Bill White: Oh absolutely.

CBC: SENIOR OR JUNIOR?

Bill White: Senior. He said that he would call the politically appointed Judges and I would never get due process. And that really is what motivated me to fight the fight in the courts. I couldn’t believe in the aftermath of all of us risking our lives fighting for the system that we could be denied our rights of due process under law. I just couldn’t believe that. Unfortunately I hought it was a bluff, but it turned out to be true because what he predicted is precisely what happened. I thought it was Bath who was blowing smoke so I resisted and I said: “Jim, I’m not going to sue you, I’m not going to go report these Saudi dealings to the DA’s Office. I just don’t want to be in Business with you anymore.” Then I called my Attorney and I didn’t instruct him to file a lawsuit. I said please look at our partnership agreement and find out how I can become a Businessman independent of Jim Bath. I just don’t want to be involved in all this. Well, I never had that luxury because Bath and the Bank that was laundering the Saudi money inundated me in lawsuits. I had four criminal charges and I think twenty-eight civil lawsuits that were filed against me concurrently. And it just dominated my life. Fortunately I was able to get legal representation. The best lawyers in Houston took up my case on a contingency fee basis. They filed counter claims against Bath alleging Saudi influence peddling with the Bush family, although in retrospect when I read my own legal pleadings, the lawyers were very careful to remove a lot of the references to the threats and avoided using the Bin Laden, the Bin Mahfouz the Bush name. And I would ask my own lawyers, why aren’t you stating succinctly the nature of the Bath’s threat?. And they’d say: “Well Bill, you know we don’t want to make the Judges angry. We have to be very careful.”

CBC: AND IT WASN’T THAT THEY DIDN’T BELIEVE THOSE LINKS WERE TRUE, IT WAS JUST THE OPPOSITE. THEY BELIEVED THEM ?

Bill White: They believed the links to be true. They’re afraid of backlash from the Judges. One of my many Lawyers, John O’Neill of Porter and Clements, was actually the campaign manager of one of the Republican judges who poured me out every case - Judge Lewis Moore. And when John found out that my case was assigned to Judge Moore he said: "Bill, we’ve got this case made-in-the-shade.” He said: “This guy - I’m his campaign manager. I raise funds for his reelection. No problem.” And then we’d get into the courtroom and be poured out without a trial. And John would shake his head and comment: “The Judge must have gone crazy. I can’t believe it, he’s never treated me this way.”

CONTINUED (on PDF)...

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/white.pdf



PS: Thank you for the kind words, WiseButAngrySara! I very much appreciate you caring. Spreading the word brings us closer to the day when Justice really does come to the BFEE.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:30 PM
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11. The BFEE would crush small kittens if they could extract oil.
These people go way beyond evil folks! The mere FACT that Boosh flew OBLs family out of America right after 911 should make even the newest cop on the beat go, 'hmmmm....'
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:55 PM
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13. Great thread
More please...... Kick
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 05:36 PM
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23. Thanks, Little Star! Bush afraid, er, warned of Osama in July 2001.
Bush slept offshore aboard a US warship at the G-8 summit at Genoa, Italy. He heard Osama was going to attack the conference. The guy who did an unauthorized (and discredited) bio of Boosh thought Bush was chicken. He didn't think Osama had it in him.



Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?

By James Hatfield
 
Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18:

July 3, 2001—There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too.

A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April.

German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.

According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.

Why would Osama bi Laden want to kill, Dubya, his former business partner?

GOOGLE Cache (as OnlineJournal.com is undergoing renovation. Grab the story before it is gone in toto):

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:PpB_rHbGTQ8J:www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html+hatfield+osama+business+partner&hl=en&ie=UTF-8



BTW: A most hearty welcome to DU, Little Star!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 05:27 PM
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22. BFEE scared of flying. Ashcan stopped flying commercial in July 2001.
The traitor Asskroft knew something was going on.



Ashcroft Flying High

WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001

CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart reports on Aschcroft's travel arrangements.



Attorney General Ashcroft, with President Bush (Photo: AP)

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines."
FBI spokesman


(CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.

"I don't do threat assessments myself and I rely on those whose responsibility it is in the law enforcement community, particularly the FBI. And I try to stay within the guidelines that they've suggested I should stay within for those purposes," Ashcroft said.

CONTINUED...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml



Gee. Just like George, the AG didn't want to help anybody out on 9-11, either.

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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:47 PM
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12. Ben Bradlee, the making of a CIA asset: interview w/ Deborah Davis
Subsequent to my book being shredded in 1979, early 1980, I got some documents through the Freedom of Information Act and they revealed that Bradlee had been the person who was running an entire propaganda operation against Julius and Ethyl Rosenberg that covered forty countries on four continents. He always claimed that he had been a low level press flack in the embassy in Paris, just a press flack, nothing more. Julius and Ethyl Rosenberg had already been convicted of being atomic spies and they were on death row waiting to be executed. And the purpose of Bradlee's propaganda operation was to convince the Europeans that they really were spies, they really had given the secret of the atomic bomb to the Russians and therefore they did deserve to be put to death.

The Europeans, having just very few years before defeated Hitler, were very concerned that the United States was going fascist the way their countries had. And this was a very real fear to the Europeans. They saw the same thing happening in the United States that had happened in their own countries. And so Bradlee used the Rosenberg case to say, "No this isn't what you think it is. These people really did this bad thing and they really do deserve to die. It doesn't mean that the United States is becoming fascist." So he had a very key role in creating European public opinion and it was very, very important. This was the key issue that was going to determine how the Europeans felt about the United States.

Some of the documents that I had showed him writing letters to the prosecutors of the Rosenbergs saying "I'm working for the head of the CIA in Paris and he wants me to come and look at your files." And this kind of thing. So in the second edition, which came out in 1987, I reprinted those documents, the actual documents, the readers can see them and it's got his signature and it's very, very interesting. He subsequently has said nothing about it at all. He won't talk about it all. He won't answer any questions about it. So I guess the point about Bradlee is that he went from this job to being European bureau chief for Newsweek magazine and to the executive editorship of the Post. So this is how he got where he is. It's very clear line of succession. Philip Graham was Katharine Graham's husband, who ran the Post in the '50s and he committed suicide in 1963. That's when Katharine Graham took over. Bradlee was close friends with Allen Dulles and Phil Graham. The paper wasn't doing very well for a while and he was looking for a way to pay foreign correspondents and Allen Dulles was looking for a cover. Allen Dulles was head of the CIA back then and he was looking for a cover for some of his operatives so that they could get in and out of places without arousing suspicion. So the two of them hit on a plan: Allen Dulles would pay for the reporters and they would give the CIA the information that they found as well as give it to the Post. So he helped to develop this operation and it subsequently spread to other newspapers and magazines. And it was called Operation Mockingbird. This operation, I believe, was revealed for the first time in my book....

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKdavisD.htm

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:11 PM
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29. The Mighty Whorelitzer
Allen Dulles and Averell Harriman and the rest of the Wall Street-CIA axis of dullards coopted selective members of the press, their faithful lapdogs. Well, today they own the whole howling pack. Their descendants, the most public being the Bush Gang, own the entire Corporate McPravda kennel - lock, stock and double-barrel. They certainly don't allow any freelance barking over the air or at the NYT or WaPo.



Journalism and the CIA: The Mighty Wurlitzer

EXCERPT...

OSS veteran Frank Wisner ran most of the early peacetime covert operations as head of the Office of Policy Coordination. Although funded by the CIA, OPC wasn't integrated into the CIA's Directorate of Plans until 1952, under OSS veteran Allen Dulles. Both Wisner and Dulles were enthusiastic about covert operations. By mid-1953 the department was operating with 7,200 personnel and 74 percent of the CIA's total budget.

Wisner created the first "information superhighway." But this was the age of vacuum tubes, not computers, so he called it his "Mighty Wurlitzer." The CIA's global network funded the Italian elections in 1948, sent paramilitary teams into Albania, trained Nationalist Chinese on Taiwan, and pumped money into the Congress for Cultural Freedom, the National Student Association, and the Center for International Studies at MIT. Key leaders and labor unions in western Europe received subsidies, and Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty were launched. The Wurlitzer, an organ designed for film productions, could imitate sounds such as rain, thunder, or an auto horn. Wisner and Dulles were at the keyboard, directing history.

The ethos of the fight against fascism carried over into the fight against godless communism; for these warriors, the Cold War was still a war. OSS highbrows had already embraced psychological warfare as a new social science: propaganda, for example, was divided into "black" propaganda (stories that are unattributed, or attributed to nonexistent sources, or false stories attributed to a real source), "gray" propaganda (stories from the government where the source is attributed to others), and "white" propaganda (stories from the government where the source is acknowledged as such).<1>

After World War II, these psywar techniques continued. C.D. Jackson, a major figure in U.S. psywar efforts before and after the war, was simultaneously a top executive at Time-Life. Psywar was also used with success during the 1950s by Edward Lansdale, first in the Philippines and then in South Vietnam. In Guatemala, the Dulles brothers worked with their friends at United Fruit, in particular the "father of public relations," Edward Bernays, who for years had been lobbying the press on behalf of United. When CIA puppets finally took over in 1954, only applause was heard from the media, commencing forty years of CIA-approved horrors in that unlucky country.<2> Bernays' achievement apparently impressed Allen Dulles, who immediately began using U.S. public relations experts and front groups to promote the image of Ngo Dinh Diem as South Vietnam's savior.<3>

The combined forces of unaccountable covert operations and corporate public relations, each able to tap massive resources, are sufficient to make the concept of "democracy" obsolete. Fortunately for the rest of us, unchallenged power can lose perspective. With research and analysis -- the capacity to see and understand the world around them -- entrenched power must constantly anticipate and contain potential threats. But even as power seems more secure, this capacity can be blinded by hubris and isolation.

CONTINUED...

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/8425/CIAPRESS.HTM





With apologies to the Wurlitzer Organ Company.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:00 PM
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14. Americans read and comprehend at the sixth grade level.
So they only think about lunch, recess, and going home.

Without a media to tell them the truth, we can forget this ever getting into the mainstream discussion.

I congratulate your efforts. Everyone here knows the truth. I'm not sure the rest will ever know.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 04:45 PM
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19. That's what "60 Minutes" is for, too bad everyone's getting so old nt
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:20 PM
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30. That's why I was so steamed at the Kerry campaign.
Same for Gore in 2000. The messages were a little over the head of the average American. Clinton, OTOH, talked in the language of his audience -- at several levels at once.

Here's a basic message I'd have spent time going over and over:



Bush Knew and Failed to Protect the Nation from Attack within our Continental Borders, as Clinton Had Done, As Every President Has done in close to Two Hundred Years.

Rob Kall

OpEdNews.Com

We see reports that the CIA warned on attacks in 1995.

So we know that Clinton was warned, and on his watch, no successful terrorist attack occurred in the US. Bush failed on his watch.

Now, Bush brags that no further terrorist attacks have occurred. Right. It took the 911 traagedy to wake the fool and his team of sleep-walkers up so they would operate with the vigilance the Clinton team maintained.

So let's get past all the questions of whether Bush knew. He knew what Clinton knew. Clinton didn't get an email from Al Qaeda telling where or when they were going to attack, but he maintained a level of defense and vigilance, a level of interagency participation that produced a clear, uncontestable result-- the USA enjoyed safety during his watch.  The US was not successfully attacked by terrorists within our continental borders. The US enjoyed the last years in its history of the feeling of safety, the feeling that the US was not susceptible to attack.

SNIP...

Now, we hear spineless Bush administration appointees and the right wing whining echo chamber blaming Clinton for the 911 tragedy. But the truth is clear. The Clinton administration held the fort. They did what was necessary to protect American borders from being breeched by terrorists. They allowed Americans to feel safe, to trust the two century old  blanket of comfort that all previous presidents and their administrations maintained. Bush and the right-wing take-over of congress and the judiciary were at the helm, leading the nation, when they allowed this almost two hundred year old bastion of American strength and security to be destroyed.

CONTINUED...

http://www.opednews.com/kall_041704_failure_to_protect.htm



Yeah. Bush knew. And he did nothing.

Why Kerry refused to bring this up in these terms is one of those things I don't understand.

PS: Thanks for the kind words, Gregorian. I dig your sig and will do all I can to hasten the day when we have a true democracy as described in our Constitution.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 12:26 AM
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36. Bush Knew and Failed to Protect the Nation from Attack. Wow. Good piece.
:wow: Basic messages rule.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:57 PM
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16.  As always Octafish your posts are great.
We need to watch the BFEE and allied groupings closely now that they have surfaced in a identifiable form. Who knows what remains below the waterline?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 05:56 PM
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25. Rummy has stock in a company that would treat avian flu.
If such an outbreak occurred (Boosh says yes) here in America. Let's not forget the BFEE getting caught taking HUGH doses of CIPRO right BEFORE the Anthrax attacks. Wonder how much collateral the Carlyle group has in Anthrax R&D development? Wonder how much collateral the Carlyle Group has in Avian Flu R&D development? So the BFEE can make and treat biological weapons, hmmmmmmmmmmm.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:29 PM
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31. Thanks, gordianot! Oh! To have a torpedo of truth...
Edited on Sun Nov-06-05 11:30 PM by Octafish
Here's a bit to help sink Smirko's popularity down to where it belongs - where the whale turds lie:



The shadow of dictatorship: Bush established secret government after September 11

By the Editorial Board
4 March 2002

The Bush administration has established a “shadow government,” consisting of 75 to 150 officials of the executive branch who have been dispatched to secure, fortified locations to provide “continuity of government,” supposedly as a precaution against a possible nuclear terrorist attack on the US capital, the Washington Post reported Friday. An executive order for temporary evacuation was issued shortly after the September 11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, and the arrangement was made permanent a month later.

The administration decided to implement longstanding contingency plans prepared during the Cold War but never before activated. More than 100 officials were evacuated by helicopter within hours of the suicide hijackings which destroyed the World Trade Center and damaged the Pentagon.

They were taken to two locations, believed to be in mountainous terrain in the eastern United States, which became the seat of a temporary regime. In late October the arrangement was made permanent. Since then, officials drawn from top levels of the civil service, just below the appointed cabinet and sub-cabinet level, have been rotated at 90-day intervals. Legal documents have been drafted to give these officials the full powers of the executive branch in the event of a catastrophe.

Administration spokesmen have confirmed the Post report, and Bush himself discussed the subject at a Republican Party campaign appearance in Iowa. “We take the continuity-of-government issue seriously because our nation was under attack,” Bush declared. “Until this country has routed out terrorists wherever they try to hide, we’re not safe.” In other words, the secret government, like the “war on terrorism” itself, is open-ended.

According to a further report in the Post March 3, the Bush administration has deployed the Delta Force within the United States —the same elite commando unit which spearheaded the war in Afghanistan—placing it on standby alert to engage in anti-terrorist actions around Washington in the event of possible nuclear attack.

An unconstitutional regime

The most sinister characteristic of this secret government is that it consists entirely of executive branch officials, in complete violation of the separation of powers which is the heart of the US constitutional system. No one in the other two branches of government, the legislative and judicial, was included in the plans or even aware of them. In the event such an emergency government were to emerge, it would be an openly dictatorial regime, consisting solely of executive branch officials exercising military and police powers, without any legislative oversight or judicial check on their actions.

CONTINUED...

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/mar2002/shad-m04.shtml



One good thing about having them come up. We can shine the spotlight of truth on their teflon hull. Ask any squid, the sub's easier to nail when surfaced.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:17 PM
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27. Thanks for your continuing threads about these folks!
There are so many terrible historical "partnerships" with these dynasties, particularly the Bush family-thanks for shining some light on them over the past few years Octafish.
:patriot:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:41 PM
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32. You're welcome, Roberto! You've shined just as much Truth on the BFEE...
...as me or anyone.

From bobthedrummer:



Please pile on, DU. The BFEE is in cahoots with NAZI turdballs:



“Bush - Nazi Dealings Continued Until 1951” - Federal Documents

by John Buchanan and Stacey Michael
November 2, 2005
The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 3 - 2003-11-03

Editor's note

We bring to the attention of Global Research readers this important article on the links of the Bush famuily to Nazi Germany, first published  in the The New Hampshire Gazette in November 2003. 

While this relationship has been amply documented by official US government records (see the book by Webster Tarpley), the authors point in their article to newly discovered US government documents, which suggest that the relationship continued until 1951,  nine years after the assets of Prescott Bush were seized under the  Trading with the Enemy Act of 1942.  


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After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, failed to divest himself of more than a dozen "enemy national" relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal.

Furthermore, the records show that Bush and his colleagues routinely attempted to conceal their activities from government investigators.

Bush's partners in the secret web of Thyssen-controlled ventures included former New York Governor W. Averell Harriman and his younger brother, E. Roland Harriman. Their quarter-century of Nazi financial transactions, from 1924-1951, were conducted by the New York private banking firm, Brown Brothers Harriman.

SNIP...

Denial and Deceit

While Harriman was concealing his Nazi relationships from his government colleagues, Cornelius Livense, the top executive of the interlocking German concerns held under the corporate umbrella of Union Banking Corporation (UBC), repeatedly tried to mislead investigators, and was sometimes supported in his subterfuge by Brown Brothers Harriman.

All of the assets of UBC and its related businesses belonged to Thyssen-controlled enterprises, including his Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart in Rotterdam, the documents state.

CONTINUED...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=BUC20051102&articleId=1176



PS: I've missed the heck out of you, bobthedrummer. I saw your post the other day on Sneer and I piled on. Couldn't keep it kicked as much as it deserved as I had to re-primer the Jeep.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:52 PM
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49. Kick!
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:46 PM
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28. K & R & Bookmarked. Thanks Octa & All DU 'Detectives' ;-)
Thanks to you all for Never Forgetting to search for the Truth and Justice
to prevail. May I suggest an up-to-date compendium of all links to all previous
KYBFEE post for the new DU'ers (getting closer & closer to 80,000 by the hour...)

:thumbsup:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:57 PM
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33. Thanks, Amonester! Here's a listing...
Most importantly: DUers DrDebug and gandalf have helped mightily in these efforts, establishing a section in Demopedia and a blog that I need to update once I get back in town. Plus, many, many DUers have posted on the threads, which is what really makes them worthy, IMFO.



Know your BFEE: The Scooter Libby’s the first big PNAC turd to go down

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5233814


Know your BFEE: WHIG (White House Iraq Group) Made Phony Case for War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5077403


Know your BFEE: The Secret Government

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5027094


Know your BFEE: Reinhard Gehlen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4863411&mesg_id=4863411


Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush Armed Saddam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4813493


Know your BFEE: Killer Businessmen who put Power and Profit before Country

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4401300


Know your BFEE: Nixon Threatened to Nuke Vietnam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3953519


Know your BFEE: Corrupt Craftsmen Hoover and Dulles

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3908104


Know your BFEE: Poppy’s CIA Made Saddam Into the Butcher of Baghdad

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3853409


Know your BFEE: Hitler’s Bankers Shaped Vietnam War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3832033&mesg_id=3832033&page=


Know your BFEE: Merchants of Death

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3743890


Know your BFEE: R. James Woolsey, Turd of War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3699042


Know your BFEE: Sneering Dick Cheney, Superturd-Superrich-Supercrook

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3627538


Know your BFEE: Bush Lied America into War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3601654


Know your BFEE: James R Bath – Bush – bin Laden Link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3571293&mesg_id=3571293&page=


Know your BFEE: War Profiteers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3493251


Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3389867


Know your BFEE: Rev. Sun Myung Moon OWNS Poppy Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3355939


Know your BFEE: Homeland Czar & Petro-Turd Bernie Kerik

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2788428


Know your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3312956


Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2511192


Know your BFEE: The Barreling Bushes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2472759


Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2748315


Know your BFEE: How Smirko Got Rich

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2529964


Know your BFEE: George W Bush did "community service" at Project P.U.L.L.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2956067


Know your BFEE: Vote Suppressor Supreme, the Turd Bill Rehnquist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2414083


Know your BFEE: George W Bush Knew 9-11 Was Coming and Did NOTHING!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2404049


Know your BFEE: Oliver North, Drug Dealer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2396787


Know your BFEE: Pat Robertson Incorporated a Gold Mine with a Terrorist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2397004



This one’s not labeled “Know Your BFEE,” but it’s meant in the same spirit:

Poppy Bush Involved in JFK Assassination -- BFEE's Spooked!


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3274455



And for all my friends in those hard-to-reach areas:

A Short History of Conspiracy Theory

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4086438



Thanks for the kind words, Amonester! Thanks also for giving a damn and spreading the Truth on these treasonous bedwetters!

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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 12:20 AM
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35. Bookmarked the permalink on DU & at here home. ThankS!
Now out to print them all to load the photocopier at work tomorrow
(flyers will be silently 'left behind' at lots of 'crowded' spots this week). Also special thank you's to all who contributed. Let's spread this info near, far, and wide!

:patriot: :applause:
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 08:44 AM
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42. thanks! n/t
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 12:16 AM
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34. KICK!
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 12:39 AM
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37. Bookmarked. Thanks!!! n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:44 PM
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59. Hi, Leah! Thank you! Diya remember HARKEN Energy?
It's how Smirko got his bucks. Of course, Poppy's petrodollar backers had a lot to do with it.



QUESTIONABLE TIES

Tracking bin Laden's money flow leads back to Midland, Texas


by Wayne Madsen

On September 24, President George W. Bush appeared at a press conference in the White House Rose Garden to announce a crackdown on the financial networks of terrorists and those who support them. “U.S. banks that have assets of these groups or individuals must freeze their accounts,” Bush declared. “And U.S. citizens or businesses are prohibited from doing business with them.”

But the president, who is now enjoying an astounding 92 percent approval rating, hasn’t always practiced what he is now preaching: Bush’s own businesses were once tied to financial figures in Saudi Arabia who currently support bin Laden.

In 1979, Bush’s first business, Arbusto Energy, obtained financing from James Bath, a Houstonian and close family friend. One of many investors, Bath gave Bush $50,000 for a 5 percent stake in Arbusto. At the time, Bath was the sole U.S. business representative for Salem bin Laden, head of the wealthy Saudi Arabian family and a brother (one of 17) to Osama bin Laden. It has long been suspected, but never proven, that the Arbusto money came directly from Salem bin Laden. In a statement issued shortly after the September 11 attacks, the White House vehemently denied the connection, insisting that Bath invested his own money, not Salem bin Laden’s, in Arbusto.

In conflicting statements, Bush at first denied ever knowing Bath, then acknowledged his stake in Arbusto and that he was aware Bath represented Saudi interests. In fact, Bath has extensive ties, both to the bin Laden family and major players in the scandal-ridden Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI) who have gone on to fund Osama bin Laden. BCCI defrauded depositors of $10 billion in the ’80s in what has been called the “largest bank fraud in world financial history” by former Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau. During the ’80s, BCCI also acted as a main conduit for laundering money intended for clandestine CIA activities, ranging from financial support to the Afghan mujahedin to paying intermediaries in the Iran-Contra affair.

When Salem bin Laden died in 1988, powerful Saudi Arabian banker and BCCI principal Khalid bin Mahfouz inherited his interests in Houston. Bath ran a business for bin Mahfouz in Houston and joined a partnership with bin Mahfouz and Gaith Pharaon, BCCI’s frontman in Houston’s Main Bank.

CONTINUED...

http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/25/25/feature3.shtml



Tip of a criminal iceberg, with all that Bush loot underneath the offshore banking ocean.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 01:52 AM
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38. this thread won't fully open for me
Edited on Mon Nov-07-05 01:55 AM by cosmicdot
but, I can reply in order to :kick:

I can only see through post #2.

I really wanted to read what steamed you about the Kerry campaign.

imho: What good are investigations if no one gets punished ... no one goes to jail ... the same players play on ... the lid is still on and hasn't been blown off ... the corruption continues unchecked.

I would like to think that Kerry could have done this country ... the world ... a huge favor by exposing during the 2004 campaign whatever knowledge of the BFEE (and, all that that represents) he has. He could have blown the smirk off Smirk's face. That certainly might diminish some or most of the criticism the Kerry brigade is fleeting thread to thread trying to counter. More than likely, he would be President of a grateful Nation. The culture of corruption would have been dealt a serious blow. Our Nation would have sighed relief and, hopefully, on a road to recovery and true reform.

But, no. The BFEE is still at-large and in power.

Our country needs the truth. Thanks for leading us in that effort.

``````
Edited to add that I'd like to have the additional links provided upthread.

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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:17 AM
Response to Reply #38
40. finally got the whole thread n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:54 PM
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60. Thanks for keeping on keeping on, cosmicdot!
Hast Thou seen this?



‘Frauds-R-Us’

The Bush Family Saga

Part II - Part I Here

Arbusto Oil and the bin Laden Connection


By William Bowles

05/11/03: (Information Clearing House) Oh what a tangled Web we weave. Salem bin Laden, one of 57 children their father Mohammed sired with his 12 wives, and Bush were founders of the Arbusto Energy oil company in Texas (I assume not with the 12 wives as well).

He died in a plane crash -- like his father -- but not before the Arbusto Energy Oil Company, founded in 1978, had become hugely successful. Later, Spectrum 7 Corp bought out Arbusto (now called Bush Exploration Co). In 1986, with the company on the verge of bankruptcy, it was purchased by Harken (see Harken entry), and even though Bush Exploration Co had debts of $3 million, Harken paid Bush $2 million for his stock.

See also the BCCI (Bank of Credit & Commerce) connection, another murky international scandal involving drug money laundering etc which one of the original investors in Arbusto, James R. Bath, a Houston businessman and old friend of GWB was involved in.

CONTINUED w LOTS O' LINKS:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3332.htm



Thanks for giving a damn, cosmicdot!

Sorry so late in replying. I was at a clambake.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 02:24 AM
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39. Just an amazing set of coincidences......
astronomically, not.

I always learned another fact or 2 in your posts, Octafish.

Thanks.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #39
61. Thanks, Not-so-Old and Never-in-the-Way! Same goes...
...anyone who's seen Poppy asloshed on the waves and known what he was looking at is all right with me.



And his dim son...



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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 07:05 AM
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41. Thanks, Octafish! Recommended.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 08:47 AM
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43. nominated.. lurkers please read
..knowledge is good
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 08:53 AM
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44. I always wonder how freepers deal with these facts that are irrefutable
and documented.

They must see these threads every now and then. How the heck do they WANT to be on the same side as the global terror network that has been working against the nationa of the world for decades, spearheaded by the Bush family and their international financier cronies?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 12:30 PM
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47. it is organized crime we are faced with
Edited on Mon Nov-07-05 12:31 PM by G_j
defending criminal activity on the part the Bush cabal has nothing to do with patriotism. Hopefully some of these people do eventually wake up to the fact that this is about corruption and organized crime.
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:03 AM
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46. looking for more info on BFEE-CEE(Cheney Evil Empire) connexions
Edited on Mon Nov-07-05 09:04 AM by EuroObserver
Hi Octafish, folks. I hope this comment is not too late! Closely following this work, I'm looking for more info on BFEE-CEE(Cheney Evil Empire) connexions... Having read the following from this thread, there has to be more?

Know your BFEE: Sneering Dick Cheney, Superturd-Superrich-Supercrook
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3627538

I saw recently some data on Cheney-Halliburton, but also Carlyle, University of Texas and possibly BFEE steps to obtain and indeed control research, development and contracts in the field of tactical nukes that I thought worrying. I will go back and find those links...
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 02:17 PM
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48. Leuren Moret
Hmmm. Yeah, I am referring to (Los Alamos whistleblower) Leuren Moret's work on this subject. Not so easy to quickly trace: there are at least 4 parts to what she has to say. Will continue working on it (have to go out again now).

Part 1. http://www.fredsakademiet.dk/library/stealth.htm
Part 4. http://www.sfbayview.com/100604/nuclearweapons100604.shtml

+ much more vital information and opinion at this site (where these articles were originally published): http://www.sfbayview.com/
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 06:32 PM
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53. Ah, more links here:
(Now I've found time to quickly re-scan this material)

<snip>

To read Parts 1, 2 and 3 of this series, go to http://www.sfbayview.com/091504/ucregents091504.shtml, http://www.sfbayview.com/092204/nuclearweapons092204.shtml and http://www.sfbayview.com/092904/nuclearweapons2092904.shtml. The rest of this exposé will appear in the Bay View in the coming weeks. Leuren Moret, a geoscientist who worked at the Livermore nuclear weapons lab where she became a whistleblower in 1991, has survived 13 years of retaliation from the Livermore Lab and the University of California and has lived firsthand the experiences of Karen Silkwood. A radiation specialist, she works around the world educating citizens, the media and lawmakers about the impact of radiation globally on the health of the public and the environment. She assisted with Al-Jazeera’s recent report on depleted uranium weapons which quickly became one of the most read articles produced by the website. “DU: Washington’s Secret Nuclear War” can be read at http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/2004/DU-Secret-Nuclear-War14sep04.htm. She is an independent scientist, an environmental commissioner for the City of Berkeley, and can be reached at [email protected].
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:48 PM
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57. Wowy zowy!
Great info, there, EuroObserver!

I've been away from the computer at a computer conference for a few days. Will get back with the full shmear ASAFP.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 06:11 PM
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52. Bookmarked. Kickin' A & taking names is your specialty, Octafish!
Have you heard the latest on Abramoff. Surprise, surprise, Hastert's in bed with him too!

Breaking! Hastert is added to the Abramoff scandal
by dynamicstand
Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:56:26 AM PDT


In June 2003, House Speaker Dennis Hastert sent a letter to Secretary of the Interior Gale Norton urging her to act in favor of clients of the scandal-plagued lobbyist Jack Abramoff. The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported yesterday that investigators believe that Abramoff and his staff provided the congressmen with the letter's text.

dynamicstand's diary :: ::
Three other representatives, including former House Majority leader Tom DeLay and the current majority leader Roy Blunt, co-signed the letter. Both DeLay and Blunt have close ties to Abramoff and have received thousands of dollars from his clients.

The letter endorsed a view of gambling law that would block the Jena Band of Choctaw Indians from opening a casino nearby one owned by the Coushattas, an Abramoff client.

In September 2004, the Washington Post quoted V. Heather Sibbison, a lobbyist at the time for the Jena Band: "I have never seen a letter like that before. It was incredibly unusual for that group of people, who do not normally weigh in on Indian issues, to express such a strong opinion about a particular project not in any of their home states."

Accoring to FEC reports, since 1999 Hastert has taken $49,000 from American Indian tribes while they were Jack Abramoff's clients. On June 3, 2003, Hasteret held a fundraiser at Signatures, a Washington restaurant owned by Abramoff. He did not pay for the space until more than two years later, when Business Week began an in-depth investigation into use of Signatures.

Developing...

This is an story that is breaking at the Huff..

more...

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/6/115626/557
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 07:11 PM
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54. kick n/t
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callady Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:48 PM
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56. well,well
All this isn't interesting at all. The problem with americans and journalists is, that they always get lost in the jungle of juristic nonsense. They believe in words and paragraphs, idealistic madness without real ideals. What matters is: the reality of war, the tranference of global production to China/Asia and how the working people react upon that, the oil production, the mercilessly unfolding global climate catastrophe etc., and not least: the cultural heritage which is able to survive all your nonsense. Who is lying how in this case? We'll never know for sure, and it doesn't matter at all. "Plamegate" or whatever they can come up with as distracting TV-novels won't save their asses, neocons or neoliberals or whatever the fascist idiots of today prefer to call themselves. They don't understand reality at all, and that's their problem. They're lost in the schizo-illusions of capital, obsessed with changing everything into money, and then more money, further more money and so on forever. But we can't eat money and we don't live from paragraphs or newspapers.

"Active servitude is total, passive resistance is invincible" (B. Gracian, 1653)
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:00 PM
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55. Kick for an informed America.
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