Breaking on MSNBC 4 Dead from Airborne Bacteria

[Mnemosyne]

Breaking: MSNBC: Four people in New Orleans have died from an airborne bacteria.
http://www.legitgov.org/


Still waiting for more.

Emailed Lori, waiting for reply.

[phusion]

1. wtf?

:wtf:

[Mnemosyne]

3. Just got the email, WTF is right. n/t

[Roland99]

104. Can you post the email up here?

[nodehopper]

113. what email? eom

[Erika]

10. Halliburton reaches high in stock value

because of Iraq and Katrina. Bush knows how to reward his friends.

[MissB]

2. Oh, now that is just not good.

[Mnemosyne]

13. Very bad. Waiting for more.

Sure Lori will post details as she gets them.

[AlCzervik]

4. is that the same report that cnn had about 5 cholrea realted deaths?

[Mnemosyne]

19. No, not cholera, it's water carried. n/t

[skooooo]

5. what kind of disease would that be?

uhh..like TB?

[phusion]

11. TB doesn't kill in a week, does it?

Seems like a slow killer from what I've seen...

[Mnemosyne]

15. TB can take years, not TB. n/t

[Rainscents]

20. No, TB doesn't kill someone in one week... TB takes over times to

kill someone.

[liberalnurse]

35. No...it does not.

Lets look at the respiratory bacteria choices......

Illness and death from pneumococcal infections, legionnaire’s disease, Streptococcal infections, community-acquired pneumonia, and Haemophilus influenzae are significant public health threats.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/abcs/pathstart.htm

[Occulus]

61. which is why they labeled it 'airborne bacteria'

in much the same way they label a marijuana bust as a 'drug bust'.

They can't be too specific; else, people will know what to watch out for. This way, they can terrorize the masses without a specific threat, and without specific ways to counter that threat.

People, I'll be blunt: our own government is TRYING to murder us.

[Mnemosyne]

75. I wish you were wrong kgfnally, but anymore... n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

81. And going a pretty good job of it so far.

:grr:

[earth mom]

126. Exactly-it's just too convenient for them now isn't it? nt

[Mnemosyne]

76. We need more info libnurse, any ideas

how to find it within the med field? Would anyone talk at CDC?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

93. I was thinking coccydiomycosis which can cause heart problems

and kill that fast...or bacterial pneumonia which could kill people quickly as they are already dehydrated

[liberalnurse]

36. OOPS......

Damn double click!!!!!!!

Sorry.

[YDogg]

6. I thought I read "cholera" on a crawl on MSNBC ...

... hope I am not mis-reporting what I believe I saw.

[Mnemosyne]

28. Not cholera, this is airborne. n/t

[me b zola]

32. Correct. I am thinking yellow fever

[okasha]

37. Yellow fever is airborne

only insofar as mosquitos are airborne. Airborne viruses/bacteria tend to be respiratory stuff.

[me b zola]

58. True. But will CNN make that distinction?

I'm trying to make sense of all of this. Where as the potential for disease is abundant, what we are hearing doesn't really fit the mold.

[kestrel91316]

98. Yellow fever IS NOT AIRBORNE. Sheesh. It's arthropod-borne.

Mosquito bites, silly.

[rainbow4321]

78. Ground workers in various counties

have yellow fever vaccinations on their list of medical requests in LA. Also have been asking for Hep A and Hep B shots, tetanus, typhoid meds, bactrim, rocephin, ancef. There is no telling what all people are being exposed to.


Except...I thought it was spread thru mosquito bites and not thru respiratory?


http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs100/en/index.html

Urban yellow fever: Large epidemics can occur when migrants introduce the virus into areas with high human population density. Domestic mosquitoes (of one species, Aedes aegypti) carry the virus from person to person; no monkeys are involved in transmission. These outbreaks tend to spread outwards from one source to cover a wide area.

Vaccination can be part of a routine preventive immunization programme or can be done in mass "catch-up" campaigns to increase vaccination coverage in areas where it is low. The World Health Organization (WHO) strongly recommends routine childhood vaccination. The vaccine can be administered at age nine months, at the same time as the measles vaccine.

[Mr_Spock]

7. Not reported on CNN yet

I will wait for the story to break there and report back :D

[Mnemosyne]

31. Thank you MrS, we need all eyes on deck. n/t

[xultar]

8. I thought there were no autopsies. How could they tell so soon.

Was there some sort of external symptom that was visible?

[Horse with no Name]

9. SHIT. Legionairres? Oh shit this is going to be bad.

These people are spread all over the country.:(

[lildreamer316]

12. Um yeah

This is really really really bad. Do you mind if I use you for inspiration for another post?

[skooooo]

16. Wait..did the TV SAY Legionaires..

or are you musing?

[Horse with no Name]

23. I was questioning if that was it.

Very few pathogens will start killing that quickly. Legionaires is one.

edited to add:
The bacteria that cause Legionnaires' disease are found in warm, stagnant water and the soil it seeps into. People inhale the bacteria when it becomes airborne, usually through air conditioners, humidifiers, shower heads and faucets, whirlpool spas, and even the water misters found in grocery stores. The bacteria has also been found in soil and groundwater at construction sites. Some people can be exposed to the Legionella bacteria, but not develop the infection.

[Occulus]

62. It's bacterial

Does that mean the -cillins will work?

[Horse with no Name]

64. Erythromycin is the drug of choice.

Tetracyclines would be second line.

[hlthe2b]

138. Yes... this would be the most likely agent... if truly airborne...

It also underscores the need to get people out of flooded homes (by necessity if not voluntarily)

[Horse with no Name]

43. Not at all.

But it is speculation, considering the environment they were in.

[walldude]

51. Yeah that thread on The Stand isn't looking so far fetched n/t

[starmaker]

14. Was predicted

same as with tsunami
don't have source but this was expected

[Habibi]

18. Was there a big disease outbreak after the tsunami?

Sorry to be a dunce, but I don't remember . . .

[DoYouEverWonder]

21. I don't think if it did

or at the least it wasn't anywhere near as bad as anyone thought it could have been.

[starmaker]

26. Was part of report i heard

Said numbers were significant for tsunami
Maybe someone has data

[Habibi]

27. Sorry to reply to my own post but

I just googled "tsunami disease outbreak" and came up with initial hits headlined "No disease outbreak in tsunami areas." FWIW.

Maybe it'll be okay, although I am worried about the people staying behind and wading through that water. And, excuse my :tinfoilhat: but I really don't want to see rampant rumors of this sort result in a quarantine of New Orleans. Then we on the outside will really be in the dark about what's going on there.

[Mnemosyne]

39. Lori of CLG is good, she'll get the info.

Airborne is really bad though.

[Horse with no Name]

48. Yes.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol11no10/05-0715.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol11no10/05-0740.htm

[Catherine Vincent]

17. Airborne....Oh my!

For some reason, I am thinking of the movie "Outbreak".:scared:

[Mnemosyne]

24. It has killed fast whatever it is. n/t

[orleans]

38. i was thinking of stephen king's "the stand" n/t

[Mnemosyne]

53. Robert McCammon- Swan Song was a great book. I

hate to even imagine any of these scenarios.

There are very weak elderly there, so it may just be simple explanation.

Praying to the universe.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

57. Same here

I just didn't want to admit it.

If I had any idea all of this was about to happen I would never have just reread that damn book.

[ignatius 2]

87. I was thinking of the thread here last year talking about a large number

of microbiologists who have mysteriouly died.

[Mnemosyne]

91. I've been following that also, weird. n/t

[Ladyhawk]

22. Let us know what it was. Cholera is spread through ingestion. n/t

[Mnemosyne]

25. I keep checking CLG, nothing yet. n/t

[kestrel91316]

99. We do not have cholera or typhoid in the US. Neither is airborne ........

they are spread via the fecal-oral route.

[NYC]

131. Haven't we had some cholera clams?

Though I don't remember where.

[hatrack]

29. My money's on plague - call me apocalyptic, but in light of flooding . . .

It kind of makes sense, particular if it is indeed bacterial, as mentioned in the initial post.

Where would the rats go when the water rose? Well, they'd go up into the buildings to escape the rising tide, and in the buildings is where the people are, similarly trying to escape the rising tide.

The fact that it's airborne is also interesting. This would indicate pneumonic, rather than bubonic plague, but again it's very possible with the rats as vectors.

Then again, I am just speculating from afar and may very well be totally full of shit. It's just that this was the very first thing to spring to mind.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

42. The Plague was the first thing that sprang to mind?

:wow:

[hatrack]

54. It's still around - there have been pockets of plague for years in the SW

There are rodent vectors in some of the desert states (ground squirrels, rats and I think marmots) and while the Norway rat isn't as "efficient" a vector for human contact as the black house rat was during the Middle Ages, fleas can still carry the stuff.

There was a fairly notable (by US standards) outbreak of plague in LA around 1918-19, which gave Angelenos a chance to beat up "diseased" Asians and burn their houses, and a truly sizeable plague outbreak in Manchuria around the same time that killed something like 20,000.

Still, though it's been awhile, Yersinia Pestis is still very much still around.

[Redstone]

45. People do think of plague as a Dark AGes disease, but

it never really went away. And it's had a number of people worried for quite some time.

I believe, however, that it can be treated nowadays (as long as caught very early).

Correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Redstone

[hatrack]

55. Quite correct - it's responsive to antibiotics

And it's not too much of a problem if (as you note) it's caught early.

[Redstone]

60. Thanks for the confirmation.

Redstone

[Mnemosyne]

50. Check your pm hatrack, please. n/t

[kestrel91316]

100. You are not suddenly going to have pneumonic plague cases crop up

out of nowhere, I am certain. You would see pneumonic plague in association with large numbers of cases of the bubonic form.

[CelticWinter]

30. found this post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4671591



something is going on looking for more info.

[dweller]

33. there's always Anthrax

very swift.
very deadly.

dp

nm

[Occulus]

65. An anthrax infection is also kinda hard to get, isn't it? n/t

[dweller]

94. depends on the strain and method of delivery/transmission

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthrax_disease

dp

[kestrel91316]

101. It's not anthrax, trust me.

[bonito]

34. ionic silver n/t

[Rainscents]

59. Great stuff... You only need few drops in the water few times per day.

[NorthernSpy]

121. silver preparations can turn your skin a dark blue-grey -- permanently

It's called argyria, it's hideous to look at, and there's no cure for it.

There's also no evidence that consuming any silver preparation will prevent disease of any kind.

Don't let this happen to you!

[wellstone dem]

40. Oh great

next we'll have pictures of people trying to provide services wearing masks.

[wackadoo wabbit]

41. Tulane Is a Biosafety Level 3 Facility

Their Infectious Diseases Research Laboratory is authorized to deal with such diseases as anthrax, etc.

[dweller]

44. as long as the victims are all able to get to Tulane?

and not spread all over the country, right?

dp

[wackadoo wabbit]

49. Actually, my concern is that containment broke.

If that happened, many people might be infected, with who-knows-what.

[dweller]

52. oh, i thought for treatment

i follow you now. That's not good. How much damage to Tulane?

dp

[tuckessee]

70. Containment didn't break, it exploded!!

Everybody from New Orleans is somewhere else and everyone in New Orleans is from somewhere else.

From Hawaii to Hoboken and Puerto Rico to Puget Sound there's now someone with recent New Orleans contact.

[dweller]

80. anthrax is not person to person infectious

have to have spore exposure.

but that's just one bacterium, of many.

Every one of the victims and workers there need to be dosed with cipro/doxcy at least.

gads.
dp

[walldude]

71. Containment is already broke

people are spread out everywhere. I'm worried because they aren't telling us what the disease was...

[Mnemosyne]

63. I thought there was one at LSU also?

Researcher I asked said there is.
Let's not create panic if unnecessary.

[morgan2]

90. mispost

[pansypoo53219]

46. who needs to be afraid of al qaeda

georgie will kill more than osama ever did.

good choice red states.

[fishwax]

47. I don't see any mention on the msnbc site (n/t)

[Mnemosyne]

67. Me either, weird. They have been known to

pull and change stories. Lori will be after it, big time. If it hasn't disappeared or been hushed.

[confuddled]

73. Neither do I

Does any body have anything besides conjecture on this at this point?
If not, why are we going on and on about it?
If so, please post it.

[Oilwellian]

56. I guess the media will have to leave

I thought they weren't doing autopsies on the bodies. How did they learn about how these people died? Sounds to me like a great way to get the media to leave, pronto. No cameras, no documentation of the atrocities.

[Roland99]

66. Local ABC station just said water is *40,000* times beyond safe levels.

[Mnemosyne]

68. And it's the air creating more problems.

That is a hellashish toxicity level.

[theHandpuppet]

69. Read THIS from the Dept of Homeland Security!

On Tularemia:
http://www.nationalterroralert.com/readyguide/tularemia.htm

also this:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/tularemiaFAQ.htm

[Mnemosyne]

72. That would be better than some other possibilities.

Guess we wait. Just don't know why no more is being said, that is what bothers me. Lori saw it on MSNBC.

[theHandpuppet]

74. Yes, it would be better in some ways

Because it cannot be spread person to person.

Still, it is obviously something that concerned HS as a possible bioweapon.

[Mnemosyne]

77. I know, just hoping it will be

something that it "easier" to contain. If it's person to person could be world problem, airports have had victims all around.

[theHandpuppet]

82. Tulane involved in bioterrorism research!

Grants to help Tulane
Boost bioterrorism work

January 28, 2004


By JOE GYAN JR.
[email protected]
New Orleans bureau

NEW ORLEANS -- Tulane University has received more than $4.4 million in federal funding to expand its bioterrorism research.
The money will fund projects investigating potential bioterrorism agents and strategies for preventing the spread of key disease agents such as anthrax and plague.

"We are at the forefront in the development of a coordinated approach to combat vaccine-preventable infectious diseases," John Clements, chairman of Tulane's Department of Microbiology and Immunology, said.

The department received the funding from the National Institutes of Health and the Defense Department.

<snipping>

Clements received $300,000 from the Defense Department to study vaccines against plague, $610,500 from the National Institutes of Health for a two-year grant to work on a vaccine that would simultaneously protect against plague and anthrax, and more than $2.3 million from the NIH for a five-year investigation into new formulations for biodefense vaccines.

<snipping>

Lucy Freytag received $594,000 from the NIH for a two-year investigation of new approaches such as nasal sprays or skin patches for immunizing against anthrax; Aline Scandurro received $445,500 from the NIH for a two-year project analyzing the targets of the anthrax toxin on a cellular level; and Bob Garry received nearly $780,000 from the NIH for a three-year study on prevention of the disease caused by the Ebola virus.


Related Information

The Advocate
Tulane University
Depart of Homeland Security
FEMA
Parish Contact Directory

MORE....


For shit sakes, people -- read this! Why was this area not secured!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Roland99]

83. Maybe it was? Maybe that's why the Red Cross and others were denied access

[Mnemosyne]

86. That's what I was worried about all weekend.

I've been trying to find out damage of campuses all weekend. Mixed info, but LSU site said extensive damage.

[CountAllVotes]

127. that has been what I've been saying all week

This is why they would not let the Red Cross, buses, etc. into NO. It is a disease ridden pit. Those that got out have likely been exposed to numerous diseases I bet; many unknown due to the nature of the bayou itself.

This is why they had the children isolated at the schools they are being taken to.

I fear we are on the verge of a pandemic! :scared:

And, not they do not want the public to know about this for it would be a severe panic of the worst possible type.

There are people located all over the USA. Mike Malloy was saying that Hepatitis A has a 21 day incubation period. Many of the people that got out and are still around may well be walking carriers transmitting the disease and not know it yet as the symptoms have not come on yet.

It will get much worse I fear within the next week or so. The weak and those with suppressed immune systems, elderly and/or sick may well be not around much longer I fear!

Yikes!

:kick:

[Mnemosyne]

84. Are LSU and Tulane connected somehow?

researcher told me LSU has BSL3 lab and bioterror program. Did he misspeak and mean Tulane or is it both?
Thanks hp.
v.

[theHandpuppet]

88. Well, there is THIS connection between their infectious disease research

NIH FUNDS LSU-TULANE CENTER FOR EXPERIMENTAL INFECTIOUS DISEASE RESEARCH

http://biommed.lsu.edu/article.php?story=20040720213400104

[Mnemosyne]

92. Great. n/t

[Lone_Star_Dem]

79. I think their concern stems from it being in a water supply

It would have to get into an already treated water supply holding tank to pose a problem, if I'm not mistaken.

HS likes to scare people and waste money looking into the most off the wall possibility.

They'd make good horror fiction writers, however. ;)

[theHandpuppet]

85. Take a look at the info I found on Tulane's infectious disease research

I didn't see your post when I was doing a cut and paste of the info I found.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

89. The University of Texas was also involved in that program

If Texas ever gets taken out keep that in mind.

[Mnemosyne]

95. Why the silence? n/t

[Roland99]

96. Nothing msnbc.com nor cnn.com

[theHandpuppet]

97. Yes, I also find this silence most disturbing

Whcih makes me all the more nervous about the possibilities.

[Mnemosyne]

105. Any ideas HP?

I don't know where to look anymore. Been all over looking for more, nothing.

[theHandpuppet]

108. Nope

I really have no explanation for the silence. If it continues, however, this does not bode well. We're talking Dept of Defense and Homeland Security bioterrorism research here.

[Mnemosyne]

111. The longer it takes the worse it is,

you are right there.

In case you missed my reply, I did twice to one post of yours:
Reported by correspondent on MSNBC's 'Scarborough Country,' Tues. , 10PM ET. (The transcript link will be posted, as soon as it is available.)

What do you want to bet, it disappears?

[Mnemosyne]

109. Just found this on CLG site.

Reported by correspondent on MSNBC's 'Scarborough Country,' Tues. , 10PM ET. (The transcript link will be posted, as soon as it is available.)

[CountAllVotes]

129. seems all of the "accidents" and "screw-ups"

may have an explanation. Where did the people go that went on the planes that did not land? What about the ships they were going to put the people on? Did any of this ever happen? Where are these people now? Does anyone really know? Seems like a lot of stories of people expecting to take survivors in but nothing beyond that much heard afterwards? GIANT :tinfoilhat: !!! :scared:

[Mnemosyne]

102. The silence creeps me out

more than truth would.

Do you think they stopped the reporting to stop panic? I've never seen Lori miss on news items. I've seen them change stories before. If she says it was there it was there.

Don't know quite what to think. Any ideas Roland?

[Bluerthanblue]

120. i'd like to know

why the 2000 folks who were supposed to arrive at Otis Airforce Base (on Cape Cod) suddenly now are NOT coming- The folks down there waited all day to greet the newcomers.... schooling set up, jobs available.... no one said squat all day to the authorities, now suddenly, the decision is...... get this.... "it's too far away from their home"-

Well, Pease AFB (used to be) announced we'd be sheltering 500 folks- i was really psyched..... it would take me a few hours to get down there, but i could BE there, and be of some tangible help....

Things are NOT adding up- even with my poor logic skills- the puzzle peices don't belong in the same box, and the finished product i keep coming up with is like a teenage mutiant ninja turtle, without the 'positive' spin.

Nasty thoughts.... trust is so difficult to rebuild- especially in this world we have today....

some incubations periods are abit prolonged.... i don't like this.

blu

[Mnemosyne]

107. Just found this on CLG site.

Reported by correspondent on MSNBC's 'Scarborough Country,' Tues. , 10PM ET. (The transcript link will be posted, as soon as it is available.)

[kestrel91316]

103. My money is on Legionella, the cause of Legionnaire's Disease ..........

because of the swampy, hot, humid conditions in NOLA.

The link also has a headline about them finding (gasp) E. coli contamination of the floodwaters. NO SHIT, SHERLOCK. What the f--k do they think is IN raw sewage????? Dumbasses.

[Mnemosyne]

106. I laughed at that one too,

morans!

[greyl]

110. It was said on Scarborough Country

according to legitgov.org

The transcript will appear here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710/
The show re-airs at 2am ET

[Mnemosyne]

112. I wonder if it will be told again.

The way they manipulate and try to control info... If it's bad there won't be anything there at 2a.m.

Hope I can stay awake that long! Been up since 5a.m., going to try though.

[greyl]

115. The story from legitgov.org is probably wrong.

Check the DU for other threads about this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4671844

[Mnemosyne]

116. I'm hoping so, but

CLG got it from Scarborough show.

Repeat at 2am.

[greyl]

118. In any case

it shouldn't have been labeled "Breaking on MSNBC" at legitgov.org.
:)

[Bluebear]

114. Now 5, per CNN, "cholera-like" nt

[greyl]

117. cholera isn't airborne nt

[wildflower]

119. This article says four died of waterborne disease...

Not sure if it's the same as the four you saw reported.

Water Pollution a Concern in New Orleans

By LAURAN NEERGAARD, AP Medical Writer

(09-06) 19:40 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) --

Four people may have died of a waterborne bacterial infection circulating in Hurricane Katrina's flood waters, and health officials took steps Tuesday to stem spread of a diarrhea-causing virus among refugees in Houston's Astrodome.

The deaths appear to have been caused by Vibrio vulnificus, a germ common in warm Gulf Coast waters that's usually spread by eating contaminated food but that can penetrate open wounds, too. The deaths — one a hurricane refugee evacuated to Texas, the other three in Mississippi — were attributed to wound infections, said Tom Skinner, spokesman for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which received the reports from officials in the two states.

The reports underscore advice issued by federal health officials Tuesday: Rescue workers and anyone left in hurricane-ravaged areas should try to limit direct skin contact with flood waters; seek immediate medical attention if they have cuts or other wounds exposed to the dirty water; and wash their hands frequently.

Officials in Houston's Astrodome handed out alcohol-based hand sanitizers Tuesday to help prevent spread of norovirus, an easily spread cause of diarrhea and vomiting. Officials isolated some refugees with the illness, made infamous by recent cruise-ship outbreaks, although they couldn't provide an exact count. There is no treatment except to keep sufferers hydrated; it normally lasts a few days.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/09/06/national/a135146D23.DTL&type=health

[NorthernSpy]

124. Vibrio vulnificus is a relative of cholera (Vibrio cholerae)

And both are typically transmitted via ingestion of contaminated water and food (especially raw shellfish).

[moondust]

140. Possibly necrotizing fasciitis.

"Flesh-eating disease."

[Must_B_Free]

122. trying to scare people into leaving

[Freedomfried]

123. Freedomfried thinks it might be Dengue

The type that causes hemorrhaging.

It comes from nowhere and hits in a day full fury.

[SoCalDem]

125. Dengue is Baaaad.. We were always warned about it

when we lived in the tropics..

[CountAllVotes]

128. my father had that in WWII

he was in the tropic during WWII and it really took a huge toll on him to say the least. :scared: again!

:kick:

[NYC]

132. About a week ago, I read that Dengue was a potential problem.

2.3 The Vector

Dengue viruses are transmitted from person to person by Aedes (Ae.) mosquitoes of the subgenus Stegomyia. Ae. aegypti is the most important epidemic vector, but other species such as Ae. albopictus, Ae. polynesiensis, members of Ae. scutellaris complex, and Ae. (Finlaya) niveus have also been incriminated as secondary vectors. All except Ae. aegypti have their own restricted geographical distribution and, although they may be excellent hosts for dengue viruses, they are generally less efficient epidemic vectors than Ae. aegypti.

http://w3.whosea.org/en/Section10/Section332/Section554_2563.htm

[LittleClarkie]

130. And this is why they're trying to force folks to leave

It is not safe there.

I feel for them.

But it is not safe there.

[Carolab]

134. They are not forcing everyone to leave.

People in the French Quarter and in the West Bank are still there.

If it were such a hazard and was airborne, etc. they would ALL be "asked" to leave.

[greyl]

133. Michelle Hofland of NBC, probably misspoke

Michelle Hofland, NBC News, 'Toxic City,' (live report) - MSNBC's 'Scarborough Country,' 10:06 PM EST, Tuesday, 06 Sept. 2005

http://www.legitgov.org/

Looks like legitgov saw this thread.

[brettdale]

135. Oh Sh*t

Oh No.

[preciousdove]

136. Pneumonia, from dehydration, starvation, (the old persons friend.)

lets not panic.

[IndyOp]

137. If they get us to fear them - then they will wind up in camps...

instead of private homes. Exercise caution in believing this story?

[theHandpuppet]

141. Good point. I hadn't considered that...

... since we ended up talking about an airborne disease not spread by person-to-person contact. But most of us (me included) know so little about this stuff it COULD start a panic. Thanks for the reminder.

I do believe, though, more questions should be asked about the security of the infectious disease facilities in the affected areas and we should keep an eye on any developing stories.

[Andrushka]

139. Perhaps

they were standing downwind from * when he visited yesterday. The bullshit carried on the wind.

(Sorry, but it was the first thing that popped into my head though.)

[Moderator]

142. Locking - unsubstantiated

n/t