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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:49 PM
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OMG, I've never read a Hurricane Advisory like this one
WWUS74 KLIX 282139
NPWLIX

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...EXTREMELY DANGEROUS HURRICANE KATRINA CONTINUES TO APPROACH THE
MISSISSIPPI RIVER DELTA...
...DEVASTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED...

MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER. AT
LEAST ONE HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL
FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL...LEAVING THOSE HOMES SEVERELY
DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.

THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL.
PARTIAL TO COMPLETE WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD
FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE
BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENTS WILL SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE...INCLUDING SOME
WALL AND ROOF FAILURE.

HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A
FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT.

AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH
AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY
VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED. THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE
ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS...PETS...AND LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE
WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK.

POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS...AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN
AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING
INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF NATIVE TREES WILL BE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED. ONLY
THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT BE TOTALLY DEFOLIATED. FEW
CROPS WILL REMAIN. LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL BE
KILLED.

AN INLAND HURRICANE WIND WATCH IS ISSUED WHEN SUSTAINED WINDS NEAR
HURRICANE FORCE...OR FREQUENT GUSTS AT OR ABOVE HURRICANE FORCE...ARE
POSSIBLE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 TO 36 HOURS.

LAZ038-040-050-056>070-MSZ080>082-290300-
ASSUMPTION-HANCOCK-HARRISON-JACKSON-LIVINGSTON-LOWER JEFFERSON-
LOWER LAFOURCHE-LOWER PLAQUEMINES-LOWER ST. BERNARD-LOWER TERREBONNE-
ORLEANS-ST. CHARLES-ST. JAMES-ST. JOHN THE BAPTIST-ST. TAMMANY-
TANGIPAHOA-UPPER JEFFERSON-UPPER LAFOURCHE-UPPER PLAQUEMINES-
UPPER ST. BERNARD-UPPER TERREBONNE-
413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS IN EFFECT...

HURRICANE KATRINA CONTINUES TO APPROACH THE AREA. TROPICAL STORM
FORCE WINDS ARE CURRENTLY MOVING INTO THE COASTAL MARSHES AND WILL
PERSIST FOR THE NEXT 26 TO 28 HOURS. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS WILL
ONSET AROUND MIDNIGHT NEAR THE COAST AND BY 3 AM CLOSER TO THE NEW
ORLEANS METRO AREA AND PERSIST FOR 9 TO 15 HOURS. MAXIMUM WIND GUSTS
AROUND 175 MPH ARE LIKELY IN THE WARNED AREA BY DAYBREAK MONDAY.

DO NOT VENTURE OUTDOORS ONCE TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ONSET!

$$

LAZ034>037-039-046>049-MSZ068>071-077-290300-
AMITE-ASCENSION-EAST BATON ROUGE-EAST FELICIANA-IBERVILLE-
PEARL RIVER-PIKE-POINTE COUPEE-ST. HELENA-WALTHALL-WASHINGTON-
WEST BATON ROUGE-WEST FELICIANA-WILKINSON-
413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS IN EFFECT...

HURRICANE KATRINA CONTINUES TO APPROACH THE AREA. TROPICAL STORM
FORCE WINDS ARE CURRENTLY MOVING INTO THE COASTAL MARSHES AND WILL
SREAD NORTHWESTWARD INTO THE GREATER BATON ROUGE AREA AND
SOUTHWEST MISSISSIPPI LATER THIS EVENING. TROPICAL STORM FORCE
WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO ONSET AROUND 9 PM TONIGHT AND PERSIST
FOR 22 TO 26 HOURS. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS WILL ONSET AROUND
DAYBREAK AND PERSIST FOR ABOUT 5 TO 10 HOURS. MAXIMUM WIND
GUSTS OF 80 TO 90 MPH ARE POSSIBLE IN EAST-CENTRAL LOUISIANA
AND SOUTHWEST MISSISSIPPI.

DO NOT VENTURE OUTDOORS ONCE TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ONSET


http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/raw/ww/wwus74.klix.npw.lix.txt


God help those poor people trapped in the Superdome and everyone else who got left behind.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:51 PM
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1. Lord, help us
:scared:
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:51 PM
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2. Holy crap...
MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER...
THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL.

HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A
FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT.

JMJ, I hope those people stay safe...
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:17 PM
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48. You said it
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:52 PM
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3. Unfortunately this is nonfiction
:scared:
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:53 PM
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4. My family in Washington Parish is staying.
:scared::scared::scared::scared:
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:53 PM
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6. omg they need mega prayers ! nt
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:56 PM
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12. WHY???? n/t
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:59 PM
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24. They know what they're in for...
and they're not in NOLA itself so I hope they will be OK.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:20 PM
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53. they're in my thoughts
I really wish they would go away from the storm though...I'm scared for them. :(

How are you holding up?
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:24 PM
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58. thank you
me too.

I'm fine, I'm just trying to send positive energy that way. :hug:
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:33 PM
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67. please keep DU updated...and vent to us too if you ever need to. n/t
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:56 PM
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13. Hey Crisp
Anyway you can get them talked out of that decision?
They just said that the time to get out is now or never.
This is going to be bad.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:58 PM
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21. They are 60 miles north of NOLA.
Edited on Sun Aug-28-05 09:59 PM by crispini
And they've all gone to shelter. They know what they're in for, my aunt is a county official and spent the whole day working on the disaster. That's why they're staying. Can't be talked out of it...
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:01 PM
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31. Will surely say my prayers for your family
and their safety.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:03 PM
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36. Thank you....
:hug::hug::hug::hug:
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:03 PM
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34. sometimes they are not allowed to leave
my sis-in-law was not able to leave the East coast during Fran. She worked with Social Services during emergency situations. My bro and kids were told to go (they stayed).

hoping your family is in safe environment.

dp
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:05 PM
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38. TY...
:hug:
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:03 PM
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35. Damn. I'm so sorry, crispini
I've pleaded with people to leave who won't. It's such a helpless feeling. My thoughts and prayers are with them.

:hug:
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:05 PM
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39. Thank you
:hug:
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:41 AM
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97. YOur family will be in my prayers...sorry to hear that, friend
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:53 PM
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5. I never.
I am awestruck.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:53 PM
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7. hard to imagine ...
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:54 PM
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8. Dear God...
:cry:
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:54 PM
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9. This is a nightmare.
Those of you who are inclined to pray, please do so.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:54 PM
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10. I hope everyone got either out or into the Superdome.
I would have been parked outside a senior apt building with my minivan until it couldn't hold anymore... failing that, I would have packed it full of nieghbor's pets.

That weather statement is the absolute most chilling one i"ve seen, yet. My thoughts are with everyone in that area.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:57 PM
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14. The Superdome is the last place I'd want to be
they should have sent down all the city buses to drive those people out of there this afternoon. Now the place is full of sitting ducks. Let's just hope the building and the roof holds and that it doesn't flood.
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:06 PM
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41. One official said it would be 130 degrees in Superdome
when the electricity goes out.

No power, 130 F, US national guard onsite - sounds like Baghdad to me.
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Jokinomx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:02 PM
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32. My concern about the Superdome...
I can picture the roof of the dome getting ripped off.... then what..?

If this thing can knock over scrapers.... no building is secure enough. I would call out the National Guard and help those people that can't get out...0h..wait a minute.. The local National Guard is in Iraq. Damn!

:dilemma:
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:55 PM
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11. ...
:(
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:57 PM
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15. that is truly frightening
:scared: I lived through Andrew, I just have this horrible gut feeling that this storm will make that look like a mere rain shower.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:59 PM
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23. Andrew was like a giant tornado
but it passed quickly and didn't drop much rain. Plus Andrew went south of the most heavily populated parts of Dade County. This one is heading right up the Mississippi. New Orleans first, then onto Baton Rouge.

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:57 PM
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16. I've never seen anything worded like this
This is grim.
They could have saved space and just wrote "You're fucked".
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:59 PM
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22. It's not a funny situation at all but...I laughed.
You're right.

Brevity is advised.
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teknomanzer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:24 PM
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57. It was like reading Revelations...
It was downright apocalyptic. I had to ask if it was for real... but I guess it is goverment issued... right?
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:37 PM
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68. Yes.
And I have never seen such a grim "run for your life" forecast from the National Weather Service.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:57 PM
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17. I'm a weather buff and this is the worst one I've ever read. nt
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:01 PM
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30. They don't pull any punches, do they.
People staying in NOLA are "Mostly tourists drinking in bars" now on MSNBC. INSANE!!!! Stupid fucks!
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:06 PM
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40. Yes they are insane. Talk about death wishes nt
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:26 PM
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60. This is the part that scared me:
"PERSONS...PETS...AND LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE
WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK."
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:58 PM
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18. Of all the blah blah on the media
this is all they should be reporting. I cannot help thinking about those left behind in the waters, the darkness, the chaos.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:58 PM
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19. i wonder if bush is awake?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 11:48 PM
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87. I have no doubt he is sleeping the sleep of the murderous tyrant
Which is to say: Like a baby, he sleeps.

I'll bet many tyrannical murderers throughout history have slept VERY well.

It's easy when you have no conscience, I suppose.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 11:50 PM
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88. I'm sure he's tucked into his bed with his teddy bear.
or whatever. He's not going to waste time worrying about anybody except himself.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:09 AM
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91. Bush was in bed by 9:00 pm I'm sure
I have never seen such an abdication of leadership. He's a complete disgrace.
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:58 PM
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20. This is scary
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:00 PM
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25. One of ours will not leave:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4488778&mesg_id=4488778

wife has had an electrolyte/ gastro-intestinal disorder (don't know if it's life threatening) and is at the hospital. They have two kids and plan to ride it out. Very upsetting and sad.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:00 PM
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26. All gabled roofs? WTF?
Do they act like sails? I'm in a house of eight gables here in the mountains, and I withstood a bad tornado during Ivan last year. I cannot imagine how bad this is going to be.



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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:58 PM
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82. If this thing makes landfall without weakening and it looks like it
might, the calamity will be unimaginable. This might be the trifecta Bush was waiting for to declare marshal law. At least in the hard hit areas. Check out this website. It has some great information and pictures of this monster.

CATASTROPHIC HURRICANE APPROACHING NEW ORLEANS REGION

ALL TIME RECORD LOW PRESSURE - 902MB

LANDFALL IN THE MORNING -- 7AM ON THE DELTA / 11AM NEW ORLEANS-GULFPORT)

CURRENT POSITION / NOTEWORTHY REPORTS PAST HOUR
KATRINA LOCATED 26.4N / 88.7W or 240 miles SSE of Gulfport, MS. - 245 miles SSE of downtown New Orleans
180 SSE of Port Eads at the southern tip of the Mississippi Delta
Katrina is heading just Northwest at 12Kts (13 MPH) over the past 6 hours

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/SteveGregory/show.html
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:00 PM
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27. Sounds about right, they expect it to take Months to Pump out the water
from N.O. alone, and most of that will be a mixture of RAW Sewage, Sea Water and which will be contaminated with dead rotting corpses (only animals hopefully).

The Hurricane force winds of this are about 210 MILES across, compared to approx 60 Miles across for last years Charley.

Here's the current "wind field " graphic:

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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:00 PM
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28. Unimaginable. Helplessness.
And if global warming caused this...we've a glimpse of our future.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:01 PM
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29. this is a nightmare unfolding in front of us! n/t
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:03 PM
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33. AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD...
AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES...

Toasters? Microwaves? Dishwashers? REFRIGERATORS?

.OMFG.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:42 PM
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74. Don't forget the washers and dryers.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:08 AM
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90. Try cars too


Hurricane Andrew's powerful winds tore the roof off the garage and overturned cars in this south Miami-Dade home.
(Carl Seibert/Sun-Sentinel)

Aug. 24, 1992
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #33
89. Yeah, they mean REFRIGERATORS.
A sustained 160-mph wind is enough to tumble a small CAR
along the ground, so flying stoves and dishwashers are certainly
a possibility.

The warnings from NWS are frickin GRIM.

The 50% of houses that might withstand the wind
are going to be smashed buy the debris from
the half that didn't...

I am very afraid for the people there.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:04 PM
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37. 2 to 4 inches of rain per hour, in some spots, is coming down nt
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #37
42. Is it normal for it to develop a new eye wall?
I've never heard of that.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. I've heard of it. It happens if it's strengthening. Is it getting a new
eye wall ?
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:11 PM
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45. Yes.
A tighter one.:scared:
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:27 PM
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62. that mega sucks nt
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:09 PM
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43. a tornado thru Superdome? how bad would that be?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:13 PM
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46. Karina is only the fourth Catagory 5 storm to hit the US
since the Hurricane of 1935.

We can't even imagine how bad this is going to be.

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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:14 PM
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47. 10 pm cdt advisory at this link
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:17 PM
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49. Here's a great interactive Graphic from BBC News #8 of 8 is...
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 11:02 PM
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84. They have the cause of rotation wrong.
It isn't the trade winds. It is the coriolis effect. Grrrr. A science site should get things like that right.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 01:41 AM
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100. It's really not a science site, just the "BBC News" website.
They probably when one step too far in their effort to simplify the graphic for the General Public.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:18 PM
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50. tornado advisories in orleans parrish and others nt
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:19 PM
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52. Tornado Warnings actually
Which means tornados have been sighted on the ground there.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:22 PM
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55. oh ok thanks for clarifying that, honestly :-)
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:18 PM
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51. Pretty impressive.
Edited on Sun Aug-28-05 10:28 PM by SheilaT
Edited because I stupidly called the Superdome the Astrodome. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa

A few random thoughts.

First of all, with all due respect, praying won't matter. The invisible sky god won't give a flying fuck if you worship or not. What matter is cold, hard fact.

This is a dangerous hurricane. Shit happens. Hurricanes happens. It was inevitable that some day New Orleans would be directly in the path of a deadly destructive hurricane. The population of this country, especially in the coastal areas, has grown at a rapid rate over the last fifty years. I've been reading since at least the mid-1970's that deadly hurricanes somewhere are going to happen, and that the problem with the influx of new residents along the coasts is that most of them have no experience with serious hurricanes. At least there has been a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans, and an honest effort is being made to shelter those who cannot leave.

Anyone else noticing that the predominant skin color of those going to the Superdome says a lot about this country?

There's also a pornography of disaster going on here. Those of us safely away from it can watch, safe in our living rooms, glad we're not there, and secretly enjoying the destruction.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:21 PM
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54. What?
There's also a pornography of disaster going on here. Those of us safely away from it can watch, safe in our living rooms, glad we're not there, and secretly enjoying the destruction.

Maybe that's you, but it's sure not me and I know it's not a lot of people around here.

By the way, it's the Superdome. Not the Astrodome.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:26 PM
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61. Oops. Didn't mean to name it incorrectly.
Yeah, it is a pornography of disaster. I'll stand by that statement. All of the frantic, hysteric posts I've been reading here the last day or so, the warnings to leave, as if people in New Orleans haven't already been told to go, the constant coverage on various networks. My spousal unit expressed amazement about an hour ago that all channels hadn't gone to "All Hurricane Katrina". And he sarcastically said, "What about missing white women in Aruba."

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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:30 PM
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65. So because people are getting worked up over it...
that leads you to believe they're secretly enjoying it? Personally I think that's absolutely wrong. I've been here all day and I haven't seen anything like that. But to each their own.
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eyepaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 11:01 PM
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83. The homes of close to two million people
could well be demolished along with the infrastructure for one of America's most important ports and that part of the Gulf is the IV line into which our nation mainlines oil. It's about to get its clock cleaned.

Usually we can bitch about nedia coverage with some line like "isn't there something more important to cover?"

Not tonight there isn't.

If this is as bad as it looks, it will affect ALL of us--likely for years to come.

I think Blue Oyster Cult said it

History shows again and again
nature points out the folly of man
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:22 PM
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56. I'm usually not big on prayer
but at the moment, there is not much more most of us can do for these poor people.

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:24 PM
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59. I highly doubt anyone is enjoying this
I'm just hoping that when the sun goes down tomorrow, that the Big Easy will have been spared the worst possible scenario. But there is nothing in the science that says they will. I am wondering what I will be able to do after it is over, and hoping that everyone else is doing the same.
I truly fear for those people in the Superdome.
Truly.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:29 PM
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64. Prayer has nothing to do with "the invisible sky god"
and everything to do with trying to tap into the global mind to send health & comfort to the people in NOLA (and try to calm our mother earth).

See the Princeton Global Consciousness Project...

http://noosphere.princeton.edu/
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:38 PM
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69. LOL, okay, much better.
It's not prayer, its just "trying to tap into the global mind."

Pretty much just as ridiculous as praying, no?
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:53 PM
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81. Yay! A flamewar!
Just what I wanted right now. Your ridicule of mine and other's belief systems will distract me nicely from the fact that an awful lot of my family lives 60 miles north of New Orleans. Please, post on, O Nattering Nabob of Negativity.

But first, read the link I posted from the Global Consciousness Project and tell me they're not on to something interesting.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:40 PM
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72. So are you trying to say that
prayers will really help? Diver the hurricane? Help people survive who otherwise might not? Bring electricity back sooner?

Instead of prayers, how about the kind of government commitment to doing something real to help all those whose homes will be wiped out, who won't have running water for weeks?

I get so frustrated at the "prayer" crap that I want to shake everyone who piously says, "I'm praying for you." How about something that will really accomplish something.

Think about it. What if a poster said, "I'm throwing dice for you." Or, "I'm reading the Rune Stones."

Prayer, while it may make the one who prays feel better, DOES NOTHING AT ALL TO CHANGE ANYTHING.

And now I suppose I'll go back to lurk mode because I know this will get me flamed.

Pray all you want. The path of the hurricane, the degree of destructiveness, will not be altered one iota.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:46 PM
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77. When there is nothing else t be done, prayer certainly can provide
a great deal of comfort to some people. While I am not generally one of them, I feel compelled to ask you politely to not get nasty with those who DO find comfort in prayer. Now is not the time or place to belittle believers.

Save it for LATER.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:19 AM
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92. no shit! & what kind of sicko accuses people of enjoying this?
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 12:22 AM by faithfulcitizen
I'm up here in the comfort of the great lakes and I'm worried sick for those people. Ever consider that the # of posts & media coverage might be due to anxiety, rather than some anti-social death wish?

for the sky-god's sake, get a grip!....

(on edit, not directed at you, kestrel ;) )
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:47 PM
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78. Let's see, at this moment right now I, personally, can:
1. make a donation to the Red Cross.

2. pray.

and that's pretty much it. That's all I can do. So I plan to do both. Ain't nothing wrong with taking concrete action AND praying.

I never understand why people here on DU feel the need to "educate" others about how prayer is so baaaaaaaaad, about how it doesn't work. Why do you care so much? You know how it comes off? "Everyone! Serve the God of Rational Thought! NOW! I demand it!" Why do you need to scold people into your way of thinking?

And if a poster wants to throw dice or read the rune stones for me, wonderful. It's all good.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:46 AM
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98. When I was in my mid 30's my father was in a serious accident
I left the hospital after seeing him and not recognizing a single part of his body as his own. I was home, frustrated and felt helpless..I went outside and started weeding my garden...just picking weeds so that my father would live. Was it really useless? I don't know, but when people feel helpless to actually do anything, they will resort to that which they can do in the moment.

Sometimes it's praying...sometimes it's pissing in a punchbowl and lecturing them that they all should have moved.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:28 PM
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63. What terrifies me is and isn't in that release.
Edited on Sun Aug-28-05 10:29 PM by Pithy Cherub
The fact that Katrina will still be a hurricane while virtually in the mid section of the US. My heart ACHES to think that people may be spending their last night on Earth living in terror. Peace be unto everyone. :cry:
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:32 AM
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96. Yeah, Mississippi is going to get smashed too...
It may be a Cat 4 as it moves through the entire state!!

We can only hope that the hurricane rapidly falls apart... but the eye is so defined, I doubt that's going to happen...
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eyepaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:31 PM
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66. Chilling....even more so when you consider that this is not
hyperbole. This is gooing to be an epic ordeal. It's been years since I've been in NO, but I hve friends there, I loved that city.

Good luck Big Easy :hug:
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:39 PM
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70. NO Wiped Out?
I just saw this post at wunderground.com on Jeff Master's Blog

Will New Orleans be the first major U.S City to be wiped out? If the levees are breached great damage will ensue that will destroy most of the city. The rest of the city would soon leave as the heart of the city would be gone. The economic damage to the country would be great. This is truly the most grave situation for the U.S since, well ever.

How could an entire city be rebuilt? And even if it could, should a city like New Orleans be rebuilt? I've been reading articles that say this has been a disaster waiting to happend because this is a terrible place for a city.

If the levees are breached, won't the Mississippi River permanently flood the city?
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:40 PM
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71. it's all wait and see at this point and pray nt
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eyepaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:44 PM
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76. I've been pondering that for the last couple of days
I hope I'm way off base--but I am scared shitless. Without using nukes I don't know if the US Air Force could do what Katrina is gonna do to New Orleans. Even if there was not a single additional casualty how many bazillion dollars will it take to rebuild a city which will likely be just as vulnerable to this sort of disaster?

We're taking a look at a whole new level of natural disaster.

Good Luck Gulf Coast.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:41 PM
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73. Jefferson Parish OEM Director saying Katrina going right over them nt
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:43 PM
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75. Winds are just starting to pick up
and a couple of tornados have been sighted. This is going to be a very long night.

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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:47 PM
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79. yes a long horrible night, I cannot conceive of being there in my home
or even being in Memphis and wondering.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:47 PM
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80. Is it bothering anyone else
Everytime TWC cuts to a commercial, they cut to that SUV commercial with 'Dust In The Wind' playing. That is just...messing with me right now.
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 11:25 PM
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85. When I was listening to WDSU's live coverage earlier they had
2 commercials in their break for a funeral home. Smooth.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:31 AM
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95. It's not exactly the most sensitive choice at the moment, is it?
It's the media, though. They just don't think.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 11:46 PM
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86. Kick because it's unbelievable.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:24 AM
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93. absolutely unbelievable - the news is not letting on the magnitude of this
the memo above is much, much more devastating than they are reporting. it's just unimaginable.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:28 AM
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94. Holy shit I can't even wrap my brain around this.... nt
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 01:00 AM
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99. Wow I've never read such a grim wx statement like that before O-M-F-G
ooh
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