A person shouldn't have to take up a damn collection when he gets sick

[mopaul]

it's fucking disgraceful in america, with our great wealth and resources, that a person should have to BEG for help when he gets sick.

it should BE FREE OF CHARGE in america, one should not have to fear getting a major illness. fear of being homeless, added to your grief. what a fucking disgrace.

fuck.

[KG]

1. amen, brother.

[scarlett1]

71. In this Country of Riches

That is A DISGRACE

[mopaul]

2. for andy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3561640&mesg_id=3561640

[KlatooBNikto]

7. I wonder if Andy can get help from the excellent medical centers in India?

Is there anyone at DU who can look into what kind of medical centers in India are available for Andy? Hopefully, we can take out a collection and send him to the right place for treatment over there.

[DELUSIONAL]

8. Or Cuba?

A couple of weeks ago someone posted an article about a woman who had breast cancer (She was from a Caribbean Island Nation) and she discovered that her best option for treatment was to go to Cuba -- where the health care is excellent and affordable.

If she had gone to the US her treatment would have cost $200,000 in Cuba (including flights back and forth from Cuba to her home) the cost was $20,000.

Cuba is sending doctors to nearly all the Caribbean Nations and Latin American Countries and health care of the poor has improved dramatically as a result.

We in American rarely hear about this Cuban export.

Cuba is respected throughout the CariCom Area -- and the US under the bush dictatorship is hated.

[KlatooBNikto]

3. Well said.This country represented hope at one time in all matters

affecting the lives of people.That hope has been killed to the point where even minor illnesses can become a major disaster for our people. Not to mention the disaster that awaits people in other lands who stand to lose their lives, limbs and and their children because of our invasions.

[HereSince1628]

4. No joke. But that compassionate sentiment is also

a radical left-wing social construction that is anti-capitalism and denies the value of the healing hand of God to the poor. Consequently it is UnAmerican and opposes people of faith.

The HMO's and insurance industries are just begging to tell you so.

[Guaranteed]

5. Great post. Some of us don't even have the privilege.

We should have universal health care.

California is nearing it:

http://healthcareforall.org/

[sweetheart]

6. Indeed, it is a disgrace

That people from all over the world need to chuck cash in a hat to
get someone vital medical care in the world's richest economy is more
than embarassing.

I was gonna point someone to DU whom i was talking with last night, but
decided against it, for the possibility that they'd see that thread,
(i'll tell them later)... as is SUCH a disgrace, i am embarassed,
that it happens in the holy ground of DU's Free speech forum.

This is no complaint that it should not be in GD, as i support andy
with all my heart, but that it makes me so so so sad, that for all the
hopes and aspirations, my culture has come to this.

[justgamma]

9. Every other week, there are local

fundraisers for people that need medical treatment. It should not be like that.

[blondeatlast]

10. Truer words and all that. Think of the cost for treatment if we had a

universal risk pool.

I've had diabetes for 39 years and CAD for 5. If I hadn't had health insurance, it's simple--no me.

Maybe the special place in Hell for those opposed to a single-payer plan is a sanitorium devoid of treatment, doctors and nurses.

It's wrong to want that kind of retribution, but I'm only human.

[Cleita]

11. How many died from a curable disease because they

didn't have the resources to take up a collection. I personally know of one case.

It's time we demand single payer health care for all, or at least extending Medicare to everyone so that they have some coverage.

[blondeatlast]

15. I'd love to see some statistics on this.

How many are left untreated, undertreated, etc?

I suspect the numbers would be truly staggering.

Even WITH insurance, I have had to forego meds for a week because I had to wait for the next paycheck.

[Cleita]

17. There are stats on this.

I posted on this some time ago. I don't have the information right at hand and my blurred vision limits my ability to look for stuff right now. The stats, as I remember them, ranks the USA with many third world countries. We are one of the few industrial nations way down on the list.

[Cleita]

35. Here's a website that has all kinds of stats and infomation

on World Health including the USA:

http://www.who.int/whr/en/

[Misunderestimator]

23. And how many died from life support being removed...

even when there actually WAS hope for improvement, because the care couldn't be afforded?

[Just Me]

66. Personally, I'd rather die than to have my family's lives burdened,...

,...with the financial distress associated with keeping me alive, which decreases the quality of their lives.

Life is difficult enough. And, I'm really okay with dying and death whenever it happens. I wish I could make others feel more comfortable with it.

[Cleita]

74. Dying isn't that easy, in case you haven't been that

close to it in awhile. Your family's distress would be relieved a lot if they didn't have to worry about your hospitalization and medical care. Relieving this one worry could be a positive side of universal health care coverage.

[Misunderestimator]

94. Well, yes, that's your personal decision... would be mine too...

but I'm talking about those whose decision is made for them because of lack of money... no decision about life and death should have to be about money.

[Just Me]

101. Oh, yes,....I am in complete agreement with you.

Life and death shouldn't take a back seat to profiteering or greed or capitalism. I think I failed to express myself clearly. Sorry.

[flyarm]

77. and hospitals that must take medicare!!

after all teaching hospitals no matter how good they are get research money from taxpayers!!

but dare you need to go to one without medical insurance..you get charged the highest rate..and they don't take medicare!!

thats bullshit!

fly

[mopaul]

12. KICK!

[bush_is_wacko]

13. I couldn't agree with you more!

health care for all Americans should have been the highest priority for the past 20 years or more. Unfortunately, the blame on this is a shared one. Both sides of the aisle have been guilty of pandering to pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies and YES, doctors! I have seen the MASSIVE campaigns from all of the above to keep their pockets lined. You would be absolutely appalled at how entitled they all feel because of their 12 years in college and long hard internships. They live in fantasy land for the most part.

America needs to be working on EVERY political figure in this country to get this accomplished and all these idiots out there saying it's about choice ought to take a good hard look at what their "choices" will be limited to when they LOSE all of their coverage because the reality is there are no longer enough people paying into ANY of these companies to sustain the system. As the companies keep increasing to cost they lose more and more paying individuals. The system is dying and no one can afford the life extending "equipment" needed to extend it's life!

[Pithy Cherub]

14. Health care is a national security issue.

A 'super power' should be defined by the collective condition of its population. The manner within which the least or impoverished are treated is the exemplar of the leadership of the country.

A superpower should be able to strike a fine evolving balance to ensure health care, education and an environment that enables opportunity while encouraging and rewarding those with entrepreneurial spirit. Alas, somehow that must be in the Queendom of Heaven only because here on Earth we have made it into an art form of how you have to merit health care and a quality education first...

Mopaul: True Dat! Amen! & Word!

[blondeatlast]

16. Interesting idea. Contrast the statistics on those who are unable

to get diagnoses and/or treatment, and subsequently die, to those who have died from terrorist attacks.

How many people are undiagnosed diabetics--and how many are the working poor? the numebrs have got to be enormous, and they are dying a slow, steady death.

They've done it for traffic deaths vs. terrorism. I'd say this is a very logical correlation.

[AP]

18. And there should be more places of the quality of Johns Hopkins.

[blondeatlast]

21. Every state should have a teaching hospital attached to a university.

With well-funded research facilities.

The promise of stem-cells was discovered here, but Europe has vastly overwhelmed our research into the possibilities now.

I'm soooo proud... :sarcasm:

[DanCa]

19. I agree with mopaul

My 13year old niece Destiny Marie is a hemophiliac and that little girl goes thru 75000 a year in product. I think thats criminal. I also think it would be criminal if a Fristian pharmacist denies her
her birth control medicine to slow her bleeding down.

[Misunderestimator]

20. Ain't THAT the fucking truth!!

[blondeatlast]

22. I see the "nearly" sick every day as I drive by the VA hospital.

They wait near the hospital to get sick enough to be admitted (and they are already ill).

The time has come for a single-payer plan. Even businesses are slowly awakening to that fact.

[DanCa]

27. The VA hospitals need more funding

I recently read somewhere that the chimp wants veterans to pay an annual fee for the benefits that they should be getting for free. I also read in my flyer at church that they were taking up collections for homeless veterans. The way we treat our miltary personal in this country is horrible.

[Shallah Kali]

54. $250 user fee, doubled drug copays & more

Not enough funding to cover things even with those additional fees, soldiers back from Iraq can't get into the VA because they shut enrollment, lots more to make one gnash one's teeth here:
Bush budget betrays veterans
http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~24781~2820121,00.html

While the proposed VA medical budget is $3.5 billion short of what that agency needs, United for a Fair Economy, an independent think tank, estimates that between 2002 and 2004, the richest 1 percent of Americans received roughly $197 billion in tax breaks. In light of the biggest tax giveaway in history, Undersecretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness David Chu had the audacity to say that providing pensions, health insurance and other benefits for military widows and retirees has "gotten to the point where they are hurtful. They are taking away from the nation's ability to defend itself."

The president's callous indifference to the plight of veterans via his FY 2006 budget proposal is nothing more than a rerun of the FY 2005 budget that was $2.6 billion short of the VA's request. Speaking of the latter proposal, then VFW Commander-in-Chief Edward S. Banas Sr. complained: "This funding package is a disgrace and a sham ... To ask this nation's veterans to subsidize their health care is outrageous. They have already paid for health care with their sweat and their blood."

[flyarm]

78. wh y don't you know..your tax dollars are going to give

iraqi citizens free medical care for life??

and remember we have more wars to pay for...coming attrations..iran!

and do not forget the haliburtons and cheneys..they need your tax dollars..wouldn't want them to do without would you??

i just wonder how much you all appreciate * putting into the emergency budget supplement the new ball park for the washington baseball team...yes instead of the city paying it..it will come out of all of your taxes nation wide!!..and it was in the emergency supplement for the war in iraq!!

have a lovely evening!!:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:


but get ready for war number 3 ..its coming from a bomber plane soon!!

but health care...f...nooo....vets>>> f ..nooooooooo...


food for the poor..f....nooooo....

gotta love * world!!


not...fly

[elehhhhna]

88. Business should be on the FRONT LINES in this fight.

They have more to gain financially from SPI than any single entity. This issue affects EVERY employer--sole proprietors, Mom&Pops & GE.

[tjdee]

24. Who the fuck can afford 25,000 up front?!

I've stayed away from all of these threads because I was so furious that JH wants 25K upfront--which I imagine means his surgery will cost more than that, when all is said and done.

That's bullshit. We spend so much money bombing Iraqis for no reason at all. Something is very, very wrong in this country.

:grr:

[mopaul]

25. senators, congressmen, t.v. pundits, speechwriters, karl rove, condi

our leaders, who inflict these laws on us, they can afford it.

[DanCa]

29. It's the golden rule bro

He who has the gold makes the rules.

[question everything]

42. The irony is that the tab for uninsured is a lot higher than

if you have insurance... and the carrier has an agreement with the provider.

Only the uninsured do not have anyone to intervene on their behalf.

On the other hand, one can almost understand the hospital. Medicare and the HMOs give them "offers they cannot refuse" and most have to accept uninsured people - though not necessarily provide the best help available. So they go after the uninsured which, in the old days - were foreigners and wealthy individuals who would pay as they go, the ones who buy houses for cash.

As John Kerry is criss crossing the country talking about health insurance, I hope that he uses Andy as an example.

[elehhhhna]

89. The bring them to Houston for recon sugery, no charge, and pretend we're

soooooo caring.

[yvr girl]

26. I am so grateful I'm a Canadian

Getting sick is stressful enough without having to worry about paying the medical bills. I've been to the doctor numerous times in my life. Been in the ER. Had day surgery on more than one occasion. Do you want to know how much money out of pocket I (or my parents) am? Zero dollars.

My mom had to put a $10 deposit on some crutches when I was a kid, but she got that back. I've had to pay for some prescriptions.

My dad was in the hospital for a couple of months a few years ago for major surgery. All he had to pay for was the TV and phone in his room.

I just don't understand why Americans don't riot in the streets about this issue. I don't get it.

[mopaul]

28. god bless Canada!...n/t

[Radio_Lady]

56. We'd like to live in a place with national health care, like Canada!

You're a lucky "yvr girl" -- we just returned from a trip to Vancouver, BC, Canada and it would be great to be there! It's such a bustling and wonderful place (too much smoking, 'though). We had fun in Gastown and Chinatown -- fascinating history there!

Unfortunately, if we moved there at ages 65 and 70, I don't think that we'd be covered by your excellent health plan. The actor and comedian Martin Short was on with Bill Maher last night and stated that he's glad he's a Canadian, too.

As registered Democrats, we were behind Hillary Clinton's efforts to nationalize health care. Regrettably, there were too many things on the plate at that time and it got short-changed. Too bad for all of us.

What's really ugly is that all the money that we're hemorrhaging to support the war effort in Iraq -- could have gone to subsidizing an American health plan. But not with this ugly little man at the head of our government.

Enjoy your beautiful country. We hope to visit Toronto and Ottawa soon!

In peace,

Radio Lady

[Radio_Lady]

30. Take a look at a new book by Susan Sered called --

"Uninsured in America"

I interviewed her a few weeks ago on my program.

The health care situation in America is abominal -- anyone from young to old can fall in the pit.

At age 62, after a lifetime of paying insurance through work, I became "uninsurable" because of only minor medical problems. My husband's company went bankrupt and the company was SELF-INSURED. (That means there was no COBRA coverage and it might have been very expensive we had had it.)

He was already 67, but I didn't qualify for Medicare because I wasn't 65. Therefore, I had to pay into a fund here in the state of Oregon called the Oregon Medical Insurance Pool. It cost me almost $500.00 a month for three years to cover this gap.

The situation is deplorable. It needs to be fixed by the government. We need to look at all the countries that have better health care than we do and ask ourselves why they can do it and we can't.

[Cleita]

31. Wow, same thing happened to me.

I finally am able to get Medicare now and now they are trying to fuck with it. I am very upset.

[mopaul]

36. good luck

with medicare, it can be very complicated, and dr.'s hate it.

[Cleita]

40. It's been okay so far. Far, far better than the HMO that

cost me $400 an month and that all doctors refused to take in my area. I would have had to travel to the bay area, 200 miles away to see a doctor that accepted it or any HMO. Then I switched to a PPO that they would take and had a $3,000 deductible and 20% co-pay, which I couldn't afford. I paid into it every month just in case the other shoe dropped and I had to be hospitalized.

But so far, the doctors are accepting Medicare in my area. If they fuck it up and start diverting funding from it, instead of giving it the funding it needs, then I might as well go out and put a bullet in my head. It's over for me and most seniors who aren't wealthy.

[Radio_Lady]

45. We both belong to Senior Advantage, which is an HMO plan --

that supplements Medicare through Kaiser Permanente here in Oregon (and Washington state). So far, it's been fairly good and not too expensive ($94.00 a month for each of us). It's hard to get through on the telephone -- but we now have a speaker phone so I can wait in their queue listening to their (music???).

I've had lots of testing this year and face some (hopefully) minor uterine surgery in May. My husband had to have two inguinal hernia repairs, one last October and another one in February. Our primary doctor is quite young, but he's been cooperative about my requests for care. We're working on a puzzling thyroid condition which seems beyond him, but when I read up on the subject, the whole thyroid disease field is quite challenging. I'm supposed to see someone in the Endocrinology Dept. next month.

[Cleita]

47. Kaiser Permanente is a non-profit and therefore

a cut above Secure Horizons et al who skim profits first and deliver health care later. I once had it but since you could only get healthcare where there is a hospital or clinic, it left me out in the cold when I found myself in another state needing non-emergency treatment that I had to pay for out of pocket.

When I took up permanent residence in Idaho, I applied for Blue Cross and was rejected. No explanation. I had a very good health history, so I can only assume it was my age, 55. I was rejected by every other insurance I applied for and finally found a worthless HMO who would have me. The next ten years until I turned sixty-five this year have been a nightmare of paying for health plans and then paying for my health care out of pocket because of carefully concocted deductibles, non-coverage and co-pays.

If we ever get national health care, non-profit HMOs will probably be folded into the system. The rest of the profiteers are going to have to go get rich somewhere else.

[Radio_Lady]

55. Amen, Cleita -- you've said it all. Enjoy the day! n/t

[Cleita]

57. I wish I could enjoy the day, but all I do is worry about

what Washington is doing to the two programs I rely on to get me through my old age, Social Security and Medicare, programs that both my husband and I paid into all our lives in the expectation that they would be there for us when the time came. Now that I am widowed, they are even more important to me.

[Just Me]

32. Almost every "Mom-n-Pop" store I frequent has collection jars,...

,...for local men/women/children needing money to receive life-saving medical procedures.

It's,...sad,...and insane.

Even with health insurance, many of us are financially threatened by the out-of-pocket costs of medical treatment and prescriptions.

[sandnsea]

80. That's what we need to do

Get a short folding card that lists the facts about single payer and place one, or a stack, next to every one of those jars. You're right, we ALL have them. That's when to hit people when they're most vulnerable and ready to listen.

[Doctor_J]

33. * serves the insurance companies, not the people

he also serves the loggers, the credit card companies, the arms makers, the bankers, and the media moguls. He doesn't give a rat's ass about the people of the US.

[tammywammy]

34. Amen!!

It's good that Andy has an avenue of huge amount of people to give money to. But I was thinking about, "what if I got cancer?" Right now I do have insurance, in September I switch from my dad to my own through work. This is a good job, where I can get insurance. But what if I couldn't? Andy's very lucky to have all these people out here willing to help him out. I've never met him, but I know what he did during/after the election, so I'll give what I can (which isn't much, but it all helps). What about those people out there who cannot raise $25K in a few days? I feel guilty, I wish I had more money to give to all those people out there who cannot get medical treatment, because they don't have the money.

This is a damn shame, that we have to raise money in order to have surgery.

I told a guy at work about this, and his response "Only in America." This is so wrong for Andy and all the others out there who struggle with money and medical expenses.

[slackmaster]

37. On this we agree

It's a national disgrace.

...it should BE FREE OF CHARGE in america...

Well, nothing is free. Someone has to pay. The question is who pays and how. But nobody should face doing without critical medical care because of lack of money or lack of insurance coverage.

[area51]

38. "A person shouldn't have to take up a damn collection when he gets sick."

Hear, hear. It's insane that we don't have some sort of universal healthcare in this country. I believe Dennis Kucinich says that we already pay enough in taxes to have @ least a Canadian-style healthcare system.

Plus, it's a win-win situation for big business to push for universal healthcare b/c it would result in lower costs/healthier, more productive workers for them. They're friggin' asleep @ the wheel.

[mopaul]

39. "Sicko" the title of Michael Moore's next film about u.s. healthcare

a takeoff on 'psycho'

[Cleita]

41. "At least a Canadian-style healthcare system" would

have everyone dancing in the street. I would even settle for Medicare to be extended to all for starters. At least it pays for some basic care, catastrophic illness, with a 20% co-pay, that is easier to beg for than the whole enchilada.

[lala_rawraw]

43. yep, or be sick and not take up a collection...

either way, America is the sickness I fear:(

[mopaul]

44. kick

[mopaul]

46. maybe those who've never been through troubles can't relate

and maybe they think it'll never happen to them. even if you're well off, it can sap everything, and put you on the street.

sucks.

[Cleita]

48. It's really hard to generate much interest at DU in this topic

unless one has been literally hit home with medical problems and trying to negotiate the system. There is a small group of us who try now and then, but usually the threads sink pretty fast, yet even with Andy's problem staring everyone in the face, it doesn't seem to register that it could be them.

[wurzel]

49. "Where there is Justice there is no need for Charity"

When you have been on the receiving end of charity it is something you never forget. Or forgive!

[Texasgal]

50. I completely agree

My husband is at End stage liver failure with no insurance. His boss of 27 years fired him when he became ill. Cobra was almost nine-hundred dollars a month.

He will not get a liver.. I can guarantee it. We cannot afford the transplant.

It is fucking sad....

We will not solicit funds, my husband say's he'd rather die. :(

[kineneb]

75. I know how you feel.

Hubby is waiting until his kidneys fail, and then he can get disablility and dialysis. But he is not "disabled" until they fail. With his diabetes I doubt he would qualify for a transplant.

Right now they say he "could" work part-time; as if someone with severe edema in their feet and legs could work at all. He has to rest a lot just to get through the day.

We had to get spend down our assets to qualify for CMSP/MediCal so his doctor visits, lab tests and medicines would be covered. Now we live on $18K/yr. and are going to file for bankruptcy soon.

[alittlelark]

81. I'm so sorry. Your situation sounds terrible...

I don't know what to say...:hug:



That smilie looks cute... but what is sooo wrong is that if it happened to us it would be no problem.

This is altogether sooooo wrong.

[greatauntoftriplets]

51. What a great post....

Another nomination for the Greatest page.

[maveric]

52. I work with patients who were refused cancer surgeries/treatments

due to no insurance other than medicaid or inadequate coverage, and they were sent to my facility to die. Surgeries/treatment may, and in some cases save their lives, but they dont have the coverage. They lie there and we pump them full of morphine till they die.
Its saddening and maddening.

[Cleita]

58. That's awful. I didn't realize it was that bad.

Whatever happened to the doctors who would treat a few indigent patients who couldn't pay because it was the right thing to do? Fifty years ago most doctors would take on a few of these patients so that they were pretty much distributed around the medical community.

No wonder our country is in such a dire moral dilemma. Where are the Terri Schiavo right to life supporters for these people?

[ultraist]

59. That is HORRIFIC!

I hope every CONGRESSPERSON and politician is ASHAMED of themselves over this health care crisis---most of whom are multimillionaires. They are allowing people to go without basic medical care and left to DIE. That's infuriating.

45 MILLION Americans don't have health insurance in the WEALTHIEST nation in the world.

[maveric]

98. Do you think that Bill Frist gives a shit?

He's interested in "Decreasing the surplus population".
May they all burn in hell!

[Danmel]

53. You are SO right- I had this talk with a local Republican Politician

i am on the "Community Awareness" committee for our school district's PTA. Every year we sponsor a forum where local politicians take questions from the community- one of the Town councilmen is a Republican, but he is a relatively reasonable person. He is in danger of being primaried by his own party because he occasionally votes with the Democrats on the town board.

I was talking to him after the forum about where the Republican party is now and how ridiculous it is that they seem to require lockstep compliance even on local issues that are totally a political- like traffic lights and placement of stop signs.

Anyway, I told him he should consider becoming a Democrat and he looked at me a bit askance. SO I said- do you really want to sell your soul to these people? You know that some Republicans had to be philosophically opposed to the Bankruptcy bill- they give tax breaks galore to the rich and penalize people who are devastated by medical expenses.

SO I said to him, every week you hear about a bake sale, or benefit dinner or something to raise funds for people who need to get care for their children, their spouses their parents. They have to beg, but the rich just keep getting break after break. And he suddenly got very quiet.

And he said in a very soft voice "I was at one just last week, for a 6 year old with leukemia" And I said, there once was a time when you could be a Republican without feeling like you were poisoning your soul. But those days are gone, aren't they?" And he just looked at me and he really looked sad. We shall see how this unfolds. I think I sort of got to him.

[ultraist]

60. It's not just the Republicans...sadly

the Democrats bear some responsibility for our health care crisis as well. There hasn't been affordable health insurance in this country for a very long time.

[Wizard777]

61. Our right to life will become preserved by our right to health care.

To deny any person health care is to deny them life. As far as I'm concerned. For the Federal Government to pay colleges to quit teaching medicine to preserve the profitabilty of the medical industry by ensuring the demand always exceeds the supply is a crime against Humanity. It's also a violation of the Constitution "to provide for the general welfare." I don't believe this to be an either or situation. I think America can support both socialized medicine and private medicine.

[K-W]

62. We will never have freedom until healthcare, food, and shelter

are garunteed. They are tools of control as great or greater than violence ever was.

[MsConduct]

63. I figure the dub's 'Master Plan' is to make sure that all of the

sick, old and poor are all dead within the year. The way it's going, it just might happen.

THIS IS ALL BEYOND DISGUSTING!!!!!

[Auntie Bush]

69. Bush wants as many as possible DEAD before they turn 65. That's

how he saves SS, Medicare and Medicaid money. Just get rid of them old sick people as soon as possible...they are worthless and just cost the government money. Wish we could do the same for him.

I've got the correspondents dinner on TV. My God!! what a disgusting crowd of literally screaming assholes.

[MsConduct]

86. Yep, more money for him and his bad of thieves. n/t

[EFerrari]

64. I agree. Just for today, we need your help:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3561640


peace,
Bet

[sarahlee]

65. You are absolutely correct

Here is....

A Plan We Should All Support!

In the meantime . . . prayers and money going to Andy....

[newportdadde]

67. Wasn't Bev Harris suppose to have set Andy up with insurance?

:wtf: did she just run off will the damn money people gave her or what ... ARG.

I never heard the conclusion to all of the she just seemed to vanish.

[Unions]

70. Yes, she did run off with it

[elehhhhna]

90. She should be guilted into sending Andy some bucks.

[merh]

91. Don't you have to have a soul and a conscious to be guilted?

:shrug:

[elehhhhna]

95. Probably. Interesting experiment, though. Gosh I'm glad I was broke

when she was asking for money. Now I have a bit & sent some to Andy.

[merh]

97. LOL

You and me both.

No $$$ to BBV, what I can to Andy.

[understandinglife]

68. Bu$h spends billions slaughtering innocent people. No wonder America....

....doesn't have the funds to provide health care to our fellow citizens.

Now, that's what I call 'Fristian values'! Because, though I don't know the fella, I don't think Jesus Christ would approve.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[Darranar]

72. And instead we spend money on war equipment...

with which we aggress against other nations and slaughter innocents.

There is something very wrong with this country.

[scarlett1]

73. I know when Elizabeth Edwards Speaks of her illness

she talks about how lucky she is to not only have good insurance, but that she can afford the best health care. And that all Americans should have the same access to the same great care.

[Catherine Vincent]

76. I ain't too proud to beg for Andy.

:-)

[kentuck]

79. kick

one time for a very important post...

[Nothing Without Hope]

82. This is a very special thrad, every post in it. Recommended. n/t

[mopaul]

83. kick

[SarahB]

84. The richest country in the world...

and we can't provide healthcare as a right. :wtf:

[Dudley_DUright]

85. I posted the same sentiments on the Guy James Show thread

last night. Guy very graciously made an appeal for Andy's medical fund on his radio show. It was both uplifting and appalling at the very same time.

[merh]

87. kick

:kick:

[progressivebydesign]

92. I was just coming here to post that SAME THING! It's WRONG!

Poor Andy! I cannot believe that our health care system involves email chains to pay for life-saving surgery.

Only 2 good things come out of this. 1) Andy can get the care he needs 2) it reminds people how good humans are.

BUT.. not to politicize Andy's plight, but Howard Dean should be talking about this. Journalists should talk about this. How is it that we can spend BILLIONS on Iraq, and still have to beg to get surgery for a friend.

[Andy_Stephenson]

96. Politicize my plight!!!

If something good can come from it...do it.

[hiley]

104. Andy you are the best !

:yourock:

[goodboy]

93. but that's socialism mopaul...Jesus wouldn't approve!

[katinmn]

99. The US is the only industrialized nation not to guarantee healthcare

to its citizens.

And its BS that we have the best health care in the world.

Mortality rates are sinking.

We're not number 1 in anything health related except for having the best trained health professionals and the most developed infrastructure.

Myth One: The United States has the best health care system in the world.

Fact One: The United States ranks 23rd in infant mortality, down from 12th in 1960 and 21st in 1990

Fact Two: The United States ranks 20th in life expectancy for women down from 1st in 1945 and 13th in 1960

Fact Three: The United States ranks 21st in life expectancy for men down from 1st in 1945 and 17th in 1960.

Fact Four: The United States ranks between 50th and 100th in immunizations depending on the immunization. Overall US is 67th, right behind Botswana

Fact Five: Outcome studies on a variety of diseases, such as coronary artery disease, and renal failure show the United States to rank below Canada and a wide variety of industrialized nations.

Conclusion: The United States ranks poorly relative to other industrialized nations in health care despite having the best trained health care providers and the best medical infrastructure of any industrialized nation

http://cthealth.server101.com/the_case_for_universal_health_care_in_the_united_states.htm

[CarefullyLiberal]

100. Reply

mopaul,

I haven't replied to any of your posts in a couple of weeks, but I have to say I totally agree with you on this one.

I agree and thank you for posting that.

-Fergus

[slay]

102. All the money being WASTED in Iraq could have paid for health care,

and many other improvements desperately needed in this country. The war in Iraq is the saddest misuse of funds I've ever seen. The money spent in Iraq is gone forever people! Sure worked out well for Cheney, Bush and the Neocon dickheads though didn't it? :mad:

[mopaul]

103. what would jesus do with all that money and power?

not what born again georgey is doing

[slay]

105. If Jesus saves, well he better save himself.. From the gory glory seekers

who use his name in death"

Hymn 43
Oh father high in heaven smile down upon your son
whose busy with his money games his women and his gun.
And the unsung Western Hero killed an indian or three
and made his name in Hollywood to set the white man free.

If Jesus saves, well he'd better save himself
from the gory glory seekers who use his name in death.
I saw him in the city and on the mountains of the moon
his cross was rather bloody He could hardly roll his stone.

Jethro Tull - 1972

[mopaul]

106. HALLELUJAH!