Leave Bill Maher alone for God sakes!

[Jackson4Gore]

I am a huge Bill Maher fan. However, recently I have been discouraged a little by him saying he gives Bush credit for Iraq. He has said no matter how fucked up it was, it is a good thing that there could be democracy there and he gives him credit. I disagree with that. I believe the ends don't justifiy the means. However, I am not going to stop watching Bill over one damn thing. If you watch his show you will know that he bashes Bush and neocons 95% of the time. We are supposed to be the party of openmindedness, yet when someone makes one comment that you disagree with, you turn against them? I am sorry, but that is not my party or its way of doing things. Bill Maher is on our side whether you want to admit it or not. What you are doing is becoming the people who left the Dixie Chicks because they hated on Bush. It isn't right. Plus, this is not even as big as the Dixie Chick thing. Bill made one damn statement and even criticized Bush in it saying he fucked up, but it looks like it could turn out well.

Seriously, take a step back and realize who actually is on your side because doing what alot of you are doing, which is alienating a large majority of people who disagree with you on one issue or so, is killing our party.

Thank you and have a great night!

Also, keep up the great work Bill!

Chris D. Jackson

[seabeyond]

1. i am disgusted by mahers views of female

and over all talk about women. the only reason i stomach maher is because he trashed bush. now with what he says, not only is he wrong about his view of women, he is wrong about bush iraq and the middle east

why would i waste my time listening to someone that doesnt have the facts and correct information on so many things.

nah, i wont give maher a break, he is a jerk, now, all the way around

[Jackson4Gore]

2. His view of women? What the hell?

What are you talking about?

Also, when are you ever going to learn that someone's opinion is just that; an OPINION?

[REP]

7. Have You Ever Watched His Show?

In his last few years with ABC, his act degenerated into a hateful schtick about how all women are bad, can't be trusted, they all hate eachother, etc etc etc. When he got his show on HBO, he hadn't recovered any. Misogyny just isn't that funny.

[Jackson4Gore]

8. Haven't missed a show in three years and never have heard

him say anything of the such. Some of his best friends are women and yes REPUBLICANS. Also, you must remember he is COMEDIAN, so some of what he may say may be satrical or humorous.

[seabeyond]

14. then you must not easily be offended when

a comdeian uses degrading women as humor. a waste of time to post anything else. you chose not to hear his insults

[REP]

21. Wow - Three Whole Years!

I've only watched him since Politically Incorrect was on Comedy Central ... which was 12 years ago. Golly gee! I was just a babe of 28 back then

It's always very gratifying when high school students lecture me, especially when they do it in CAPITAL LETTERS when they fail to make any points. Maher's so-called comedy regarding women hasn't been funny for quite some time.

[Jackson4Gore]

25. I am sorry you can't understand HUMOR

How you like them caps?

[REP]

28. I'm Sorry Your Argument is So Weak

But not surprised; after all, it is damn near impossible to defend Maher's misogyny,

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[REP]

39. Erm ... You Just Did Reply ...

Telling someone you're putting them on ignore is a violation of board rules, but don't worry, I won't alert on you.

[saracat]

59. This is really rude and patronizing!

It also shows that you are not as familiar with Maher as you claim. I know the question is not for me but you want an example? He seriously defended the president of Harvard for saying women aren't equipped to do math as well as men on Larry King. It was not a joke.

[LostInAnomie]

26. I have been watching Maher since Comedy Central as well...

... and he has alway been very progressive when it comes to women's issues. He is constantly railing about how poorly other cultures and our own treat women. He may make a sexist joke every now and then be they are just that, jokes.

[REP]

30. Sure. Tell Yourself That.

>snicker<

[LostInAnomie]

38. Really, then tell me of an instance where he has regarded...

... women as inferior, and should not have equal rights to men. Jokes don't count.

He is constantly criticizing Islamic culture for it's second class treatment of women, as well as our own when the occasion arises.

[seabeyond]

43. jokes do count, and i didnt enjoy the jokes

so i didnt listen to him. when he started getting into the political and going after bush i listened to him. i still didnt think his "jokes" about women were funny, but i wanted to hear what he had to say about the other stuff. now, i dont like what he says either politically, nor about women. so i chose to not watch.

this post started leave the man alone. no

[Kipepeo]

53. LOL REP

But donchaknow that denegrating all women as whores is just for laughs?

/sarcasm

[LostInAnomie]

55. Really, when did he regard all women as whores?

I've been watching him for years and I don't remember that one.

[saracat]

58. Me too! And he always was a misogynist!

But I overlooked it because I don't expect to like everything about someone.But he has gone too far now.

[Is It Fascism Yet]

42. um, well, the only way you could fail to notice Bill's misogynistic views

is if you share them.

[Is It Fascism Yet]

41. What do you mean what is she talking about? Woman hating is his

second best skill! The only other skill Bill used to have was Bush Bashing, but he seems to have lost the knack for that.

[Kipepeo]

50. I actually agree with seabeyond - see my post far below

His sexism was something I and many other feminists tolerated because he was so blessedly anti-bush and liberal in other matters. But now that he's hugging the chimp I am finding few reasons to defend him. And yes - many women have long pointed to his sexism...I am shocked you are surprised. His name is practically in Websters next to "unfortunately, chauvinist."

[Kipepeo]

51. agreed about the sexism

and the holding of the nose until now

[Syrinx]

3. I agree

I can't think of anyone that I agree with 100% of the time. And if you think about, Bill Maher really hasn't changed.

[dennis4868]

10. I cannot watch anyone.....

that supports the invasion and murder of Iraqis and the deaths of thousands of our troops base on lies! Sorry, I just cannot bring myself to watch that person...it makes me sick :-(

[Is It Fascism Yet]

45. Exactly. n/t

[Syrinx]

48. I think Maher has said some dumb things recently too

He seems to think we have some great "flowering of democracy" in the middle-east, but he's not alone. I see that in the MSM news too. I'm not sure where they're getting that. And I'm not sure that would be a good thing (for our country) even if it's true, given the anti-American opinion of the so-called "Arab street." But I just don't see Maher, as wrong as he can sometimes be, bending over and giving the administration a pass. He's still much more critical of it than just about anyone I can think of with a tv show. And, in my opinion, on most issues, he's right more often than he's wrong. I'm just saying let's pick our fights carefully, and the cliche gods be damned, "don't throw the baby out with the bath water."

[PROGRESSIVE1]

92. Bill Mahar is being as "critical" of Bush as Wolf Blitzer is.

:eyes:

Mahar is not on the good side, he's now enabling Bush.

[NEDem]

4. Thank you

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Jackson4Gore]

6. Yea

If some folks have their way Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, Jimmy Carter, and every other leader we have would be shilled because I am sure we all don't agree on every issue. Hell, I am willing to bet most of us here are closer on views with Bill Maher than President Clinton. Where is the outrage about President Clinton supporting Bush in Iraq and basically every other endeavor he has done recently? What a double standard.

[saracat]

15. I don't like either of them. Both are self serving .

BTW, it wasn't just one pro Bush comment . He has been on every network talking about what a "good thing " the IWAR was. This is a complete reversal of his original contention that it was wrong to pretend we were looking for WMD and then say we were liberating Iraq! He now says Bush brought Democracy to the ME. Supporting Bush over the war and the ME is no small thing! This isn't a "little point of disagreement". Bill has changed. He has reversed himself!

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[saracat]

33. No. I supported Kerry. Kerry, in spite of talk to the contrary, didn't

"flip flop." He supported giving the President the option to use force as a last resort. Every president usually gets that right. Bush abused the privilege. I disagreed with Kerry giving the right to a moron, but Kerry didn't become anti-war suddenly because it would have been popular.With no reason whatsoever, nothing has changed, we didn't find WMD'S, Maher reversed himself. It is a total reversal. That is what I don't like.A reversal with NO justification.
And it isn't really appropriate for one to call someone they know nothing about a fascist because they may disagree with you on one issue! I reserve the right to critique Maher who is a public figure.I don't HAVE to like him. And I can express my view as to why.
Just as I can express my liking for Lewis Black, Whoopie Goldberg, Jon Stewart and George Carlin!

[Jackson4Gore]

35. Oh I see, not!

I defended Kerry on his right to support the Presidnet's power. However, for one, Kerry supported removing Saddam Hussein and voted to give the President the power to do so. Bill Maher said for 2 years he was against how we went in and why we did it. However, since we are there and things may have a chance of going well, Maher says it is a good thing and that is bad? Is that not the same thing Kerry is saying? What is everyone supposed to say? Democracy in Iraq not even after all this shit is bad?

[saracat]

46. No. It isn't .Kerry didn't CHANGE HIS MIND. And Kerry has never said that

he supported invading Iraq to bring democracy to the ME! He supported eliminating the threat of WMDS! What part of we never found any WMD's did you miss?
And what is this "everyone is supposed to say" ? What is necessarily good about democracy in Iraq? First of all, they haven't got one, or maybe you missed that? And whatever you want to call the government they do have, they are worse off then under Saadam.Bill Maher used to talk about that a lot until very recently.

[Is It Fascism Yet]

49. Call it fascist if you like, but nobody is allowed to have the opinion

that rape, murder and torture are okay. We are not saying others cannot have our approval if they have varying opinions, but that others cannot have our approval if they have immoral opinions. I don't care who drinks the kool aid, its still immoral to attack Iraq unprovoked, torture and murder them, for no other reason then war profit. Anyone who thinks that might have been a good idea does not just have a different opinion from me, they also have an immoral opinion. Hitler thought it would be nice to rid the world of Jews and Gypsies, can't you just overlook that small difference of opinion you had with him?

[LostInAnomie]

31. You mean like how on Larry King this week he said:

"Bush will never live down the way he got us into the war with the lies as well as his mismanagement of the war."

[seabeyond]

34. if someone lies and mismanages a war

and there is still chaos and mismanagement going on, how the hell do you then give said person credit for shit??????????????

curious

[Jackson4Gore]

Hmmm....what about LBJ?

[seabeyond]

40. i asked a simply question

i dont give a shit about lbj. if someone makes a unnecessary war, and then goes in and thru greed and stupidity does a number of things that not only doesnt establish peace but create and allows insurgency to get a strong hold and flourish. if you dehumanize the citizens into being animals for our military and they abuse the populace. if you steal the funds that are to be sent there to rebuild and help that nation.

why do you come back and say this man gets a pat on the back

[LostInAnomie]

52. If he is giving him credit for the debacle over there then fine...

... he is giving him credit for a debacle. If it turns out decent Maher will credit him, if it turns into a shit-storm civil war he will get credit for that too.

Whenever he said it on his show he was using it as a rhetorical device to get to the point that no matter what happens Bush lied to get us over there, and fucked everything up so much that the "Democracy" reason was the only one he could plausibly pull off.

[seabeyond]

57. looks like just way too much dancing around to praise bush

bush insisted before the war we were NOT going in to free the peopple and help the people. that is the only rational the dems could come up with for bush war. how dems were trying to make themselves feel better about bush war. and bush blatantly stood in front of those cameras and insisted that was not the reason for war

so even if,................this is how maher can give bush credit,

it is a lie. it is not fact

bush doesnt get a pat on the back for lying

[babylonsister]

5. I'm also in agreement, J4G. Maher is not spewing

lies, he is presenting both sides with a healthy dose of his own opinions. Nothing wrong with that, or openmindedness!

[seabeyond]

11. presenting both sides, open mindedness

and he is showing what the soldiers are up against in iraq. he is talking the over 100k dead in iraq. he is talking the crimes and fears of ordinary citizens, not able to go to school or work. is he talking about the lack of electricity going into summer again, or the lack of food or medical care

is he talking about chalabi being installed once again, after handing iran information. or how the government isnt able to get set up, or how kurds havent come into the fold

tell me where he is being honest and straight forward with information

he is saying an easy one line, ya pat bush on back, and he has nothing to back it up, just a tired ole talking point

[LostInAnomie]

9. Hey we posted the same topic.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=2869451#2869558

Great minds thing alike I guess.

[confludemocrat]

12. Let's face it, this is a litmus test that he has failed

He is an entertainer, yes, but in this Iraq situation based as it is on lies, deceit, bloody incompetence, hubris, needless destruction and the death of more than 100,000, corruption, and brazen arrogance, to eventually say that he has done better lately or based on a still very uncertain outcome and with the likelihood of further disasters that he deserves credit stretches to breaking any level of tolerance for nonsense. Yes, I will leave him alone.

[dennis4868]

16. could not have said it better....

myself. Iraq is a litmus test....we are talking about our children and innocent Iraqis dying because of a lie!

[Jackson4Gore]

20. Ok, who do you like

Clinton= supported the war
Kerry= supported the war
Edwards= supported the war

By the way, Maher has said the way we went in was all bullshit, but thinks if things turn out, that is a good thing. How can you argue that it wouldn't be good? I still don't think it would have been worth it, but democracy there would be good.

[dennis4868]

23. Again.....

I cannot bring myself to watch anyone who supported the war....with regards to Kerry and Clinton, they were lied to about WMD and ties to al Qaeda like the rest of us were....they believed Bush and supported the war (like many Dems did). I never believed Bush and his thugs but many people did unfortunately.

[seabeyond]

24. of course you want things to turn around and yes that would be a

good thing. bush has fucked up on decision making and turned to greed in iraq every step of the way causing a couple years of suffering that might not have been. if things turn around, it is not NOT from anything bush has done. any person running a business can look at bush and his peoples preformance there and would fire their ass if an employee.

bush doesnt get credit if things turn around in iraq. bush continues to get a you fucked up you moron, even if things turn around there.

if things turn around, the people of iraq that did the work will get the pat on the back

[saracat]

36. WHY? And what has it to do with us? Maher used to say

"not everywhere should be a democracy" and that Iraq was one of those places.Of course that was before he drank ther Kool Aid!

[TheWatcher]

37. The fact that some actually BELEIVE

that somehow all of this is going to work out despite what these people are doing and are attempting to do is flat out disturbing.

The fact that some are actually desperately thinking about somehow justifying all of this "in spite of" is flat out horrifying.

There is NO justification for what we have done.

There is NO rationalizing the way we have done it.

The people in charge DO NOT have good intentions, they never HAVE had good intentions, and ultimately the entire planet is likely going to pay a heavy price for the way this has come about.

Do you actually think that these people are going to let a true democracy develop ANYWHERE? Something that would be completely against their interests and their agenda?

Or is it that some of us are so desperate to find a silver lining in all of this that they are willing to grasp at ANYTHING to try and make sense of the senseless?

When the ultimate consequences of what we have done finally start to come home to roost, I will be very interested to see how many here still want to believe that this is all going to have a happy ending.

I am truly astounded by some of the things I have read the past few days.

What some of these poeple have been spewing about in the past few days is almost like trying to argue that there was a silver lining to what the Nazi's did.

Hell, even if that were somehow TRUE, my incredulous and exasperated response would be:

But was it NECESSARY and WORTH it for that to have HAPPENED? That makes it ACCEPTABLE?

Dear GOD, what is going ON?

[BamaGirl]

63. Well said watcher

I could not have possibly said it better!

[BamaGirl]

66. I'll argue it all day long because

it comes down to one thing for me and my family. My husband is in the military, and Iraqi or ME democracy will NEVER be worth his life. EVER. You can't get to any "good" without going thru a hell of a lot of bad. 1521 dead US soldiers. 176 coalition soldiers. How many Iraqi's? 100,000? More? The "good" will never justify the means. Furthermore, what democracy!? Does anyone really believe there is going to be a democracy there? There's either going to be a neocon puppet government or a theocracy. Democracy it ain't.

[ChiciB1]

75. I Agree With You...

Maher quite obviously MADE the Iraq War and issue early on and very decidedly made his judgment. What he is doing NOW is reversing to some extent and neglecting the past abuse. In fact, to me what he's saying is that no matter HOW we got there, it's no pretty much OKAY since he feels NOW that things looks better.

I think it's MUCH TOO EARLY to come out and make these kinds of judgments. I agree with many of you... he's been "advised" and he's trying to save his ass for whatever reason. Uh, could it be MONEY????

If he's the one who set up the poll, then he SHOULD read those tea leaves too!

I didn't watch him last night and I too will LEAVE him alone! I wonder whose idea it was to invite all the conservatives to his show. He SAID he wanted more diversity!! Yeah, RIGHT!! He can have all his diversity, but I call it a loss of objectivity, when we seem to have a conservative bent on all things EVERYWHERE!!! ENOUGH, I say!!

[ExpresS]

13. I generally like Maher but....

His most recent shows sucked... his guests have been less than interesting. He needs a couple more episodes with Carlin, Lewis Black, John Stewart, ect. to liven things up a bit.

[Jackson4Gore]

17. Did you see Robin Williams a few weeks back?

The best show ever by far.

[saracat]

61. Robin was what saved that show.

Bill was inching towards his Bush praising but Robin turned it into the Robin Williams Show! Thompson and Biden were worthless.

[Is It Fascism Yet]

19. I am thinking about leaving Bill Mahar alone! He used to be a real

favorite with me! I like him so much I drove 800 miles last October to be in his audience for his last show before election night! Great show, too, except that he called me and my hubby heathens when we booed that awful Colter Biotch person. I would have rather slapped her, but settled for only booing her, and it just so happens, I AM a heathen! Yes, always loved Bill despite his signature misogynistic streak. But just lately Bill seems to have drunk some of the kook aid and on the last two shows I heard remarks about "respecting Bush for some of the wonderful things he "HAS" accomplished in the Middle East. Well, Billy Boy, my misogynistic friend, I have some thoughts about that. Thought One: Shrub has never accomplished anything but the creation of deception, devastation and tragedy, and Thought Two: If I wanted to listen to more shameless government propaganda I'd just turn on that other misogynist, Bill OReilly. So, yeah, I am thinking about leaving Bill Mahar alone, like, very alone, from now on.

[angee_is_mad]

22. Make me!

I've never been a fan of him. He is more less government(libertarian) than democrat. He is definitely not a liberal, but he isn't a right wing zealot neither.

My take on him is that he is a centrist until it affects his wallet then he leans more to the right.

It's ok if he is your cup of tea, but I definitely don't have to take a sip.

[jdots]

27. Anybody read any good books lately ?

[Jackson4Gore]

29. How about

When you ride alone, you ride with Bin-Laden by Bill Maher? I heard it was really good.

[LostInAnomie]

44. I've read it.

It is very good. If people would read it they would know where Maher really stands. He hates Bush and the Conservatives.

[Kipepeo]

47. It is not just one show, but all of his shows of late

He seems to be on the 'thankee mr. bush' bandwagon in regards to the Iraq miscalculation. It doesn't mean I am writing him off - hell I never agree with anyone 100% and besides he always pissed me off a little with his sexism even when he was against bush and the war - but geez, let some of us unload on his seemingly abrupt jump-ship. It does feel like betrayal, frankly, and more than that it just seems dishonest to me - like some kind of ratings game.

I know one thing - I can't stomach watching his show anymore: whereas I used to *enjoy* it and look forward to it, sexism aside, now I usually have to switch the channel after holding out for a whole 10 minutes.

[NVMojo]

54. I still like Bill Maher ...he cracks me up 99% of the time!

I like when he makes comparisons about how uptight we are in this country sexually and morally. Like the other night when he talked about how it was headline news that the old fart from the plane company boffed his middle aged secretary or someone like that. Like it was more important than the fact that we LOST $9 billion over in Iraq and can't find it....

no one is perfect. And we can't afford to make an enemy of someone like Bill Maher.

[stopbush]

68. Sadly, in America, boffing the secretary IS more important than losing

$9billion.

Or have we forgotten that blowjob?

[saracat]

56. The unjust IWar we entered into based on a lie isn't as important as the

Dixie Chicks thing???????? What can you be thinking?/

"Plus, this is not even as big as the Dixie Chick thing. Bill made one damn statement and even criticized Bush in it saying he fucked up, but it looks like it could turn out well."

Thousands of people have died for nothing , including over 1500 American soldiers, and more every day, and this is no big thing? And this is "only one issue or so"? Are you completely callus or what?
And Bill Maher has made considerably more than "one" statement recently.
He has completely reversed his position.He admits it.This is why people are so shocked.

[seabeyond]

60. in bush's stupidity, he was much wiser than the most informed

on the middle east. he thought of something that could be........that no one else thought could be

i mean, what is that shit

[madfloridian]

62. Since I heard him downplay the 100,000 dead Iraqis, I can't watch.

I am sorry, but no lectures. He is different this year, and many of our group here think it is calculated and planned.

At a DNC meeting earlier in the week, someone mentioned it. There were over 50, and nearly all groaned and said they could not bear to watch it. They turned it off as well.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

91. He downplayed those who died in the war?!?

:wtf: I hope Bill Mahar burns with HITLER!!!

YOU MOFO!!!

:grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr:

[linazelle]

64. To believe there is "democracy" in the middle east is to forget

or ignore the fact we are engaged in a quagmire--and that there is a virtual news blackout which keeps us from really knowing the truth about the the "war". To believe that there is democracy is to accept the shallow notion that BushCo's "elections" equate to democracy--they didn't and they won't. It's all a bunch of BS and you, too, seem to be drinking Bill's koolaid.

Furthermore, he didn't say one thing. He's said several--like talking about the war is passe (as in "move on" a favorite Con line); and he's courting the right wing for his show, he's even rebalanced his panel with two right wing guests instead of two left wingers.

And, because most people with any working brain cells recognize BS when the smell it, we have left Bill Maher alone--very alone--by tuning to more worthwhile viewing.

[Terran]

65. Sorry, Maher is fundamentally a f*cking idiot

He make show of being non-partisan and common-sense, but he frequently takes leave of his senses. And yes, "Bush knew better on Iraq than the rest of us" is prime example.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

88. and I'll say it right here....

If the FCC tries to censor cable and he gets taken off the air, I will NOT DEFEND him! "You grease my palm and I'll grease yours in return". It's a two way street.

[stopbush]

67. My opinion (just another opinion)

1. Maher isn't on "our" side or "their" side. Bill is on his side. He's a self-styled quasi-libertarian, sort of like a Xtian who follows the Bible but only the parts that support their lifestyle.

2. His strange views on women are well documented. Yes, he presents it in a frat boy kind of way, but the man's over 40. Even W said he grew up at 40.

3. I've watched him for years. As he's been more accepted on the corporate level, he's gone more corporate. That's natural, I guess. If he was being as out there as he was when PI was on CC, then he'd still be biting. Right now, it's easy to see him as a sell-out in some respects, but I don't know that it's conscious on his part. Does that make sense?

4. The "bush was right in Iraq if it all turns out OK" is such immature BS that I don't know where to start. The most-glaring thing about it is that democracy is no closer in Iraq today than it was before the invasion. What happens when you have an sham election and nothing changes? What is the definition of anarchy? Look to Iraq. Bill's "end justify the means" BS is a total abdication of morals and ethics. I guess if you run down some kids at a bus stop (as happened in Vegas this week) it will be OK if they strength bus stop structures later. I guess it's OK if a suspect kills a bunch of people in court if it beefs up security after the fact. I guess you can be an atheist and rail on Xtians believing in a guy who never existed and a god who died centuries ago but keep your beliefs that there's a gnome living in your stomach who makes sure your ticker is running OK.

My big problem with Maher is the classic "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" syndrome. Bill gets outraged about things but never delves beneath the surface to get an idea beyond his initial outrage. Last week's show was a perfect example when he tried to argue bush's SS con game as being a better deal on the investment side. Barney Frank shot him down and that, and Bill just moved on.

He could be an asset. At present, I think he's a bit lazy intellectually and too laissez-faire on the research side about important issues to really get into them and offer a cogent argument either way.

[OneBlueSky]

69. I've been leaving him alone for months . . .

that's when I just stopped watching . . . actually, I've never really liked the guy, but did enjoy his shows because of the guests . . . at some point the tradeoff became no longer worth it . . .

[robbedvoter]

70. All alone, I promise you! After his pathetic freeper packing audience

last night and repeated asskissing of how great they were, I won't bother him with my tuning. Just wanted to watch the suicide - from now on it gets boring.

[RetroLounge]

71. Screw Maher and his Kool-aid drinking

I cancelled HBO. Now I don't have to worry about him...

See how that works? Stress-level lowered...

RL

[spanone]

72. The END does not justify the MEANS. You said it. Maher is wrong.

But he's entitled to his opinion, after all he's a COMEDIAN who is cashing in. The end for Iraq (Possible democracy) is far from being determined. To give bush* ANY credit at this point for invading a sovereign nation while lying to his own people is preposterous.

[blindpig]

73. last night was lame

but not as repulsive as I expected it to be. Bill will never capture a RW crowd, his cracks about religion make sure of that. What he's up to, career wise, is beyond me.

Got to give him credit for his remarks concerning the absurdity of our economic system based on eternal growth. Don't hear that nearly enough.

One more chance and I'll probably be done with him.

[cyberpj]

77. pretty much all of this season has been lame, I think.

I have loved Bill and turned several friends on to him who keep asking me why I like him now!

Dunno what's going on there but I've been let down this year and don't really look forward to watching now.

[AlCzervik]

74. That congress woman fron Florida took over the whole show

I wished she would stfu and let someone else speak.

[Berserker]

76. When do repukes ever

STFU? I watched the first show of the season and I watched last nights show and all I have to say is I will never watch his show again. I for one do not think dimson is a VISIONARY like Maher keeps repeating and repeating.

[Kansas Wyatt]

78. The Florida Congresswoman is Novak's girlfriend on Crossfire.

Mahr missed several opportunities to bury her, and she would have deserved it and more.

[seabeyond]

79. no fuckin way

that these old fucks even have women (and i dont have a clue what she looks like) mystify me.......thinking f rush and some woman on cnn, judy and greenspan (isnt he so so so old, eeew) i mean.

journalist, congresswoman. journalist outs cia agent for bush

no story here folks, fuckin media is fuckin the politicians

one big whore fest.

that is truly what this is just feeling

and you know, all this garbage out of my mouth i feel like a testerone drivin 18 yr old male, lol lol

when reality, just a conservative 43 yr old wife with a couple of kids livin life in the panhandle of texas, religious belt to extreme

oh lordy, someone take me away. think i need a hot shower after this one

[mattclearing]

80. I'm going to keep saying it.

The amount of discussion about the politics of Maher/Stewart/Miller/Franken/whoever on DU is a sad commentary on the state of our media, our politics, our comedy, and our discourse.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

85. Al Franken actually discusses politics in a serious and meaningful...

manner!

:wtf: are you talking about. Don't put Al in the same light as Mahar/Miller.

[mattclearing]

105. I stand by my comment.

I'm not saying comedians can't commit social commentary, because the good ones always do.

But it's sad that they seem to take up so much bandwidth around here. I respect Al Franken. But he's a comedian. When he actually runs for office I'll re-evaluate.

By knocking Maher (not Mahar) and Miller, you seem to be saying that you will defend comedians who interject themselves into politics so long as they agree with you.

My point is that our media is so lame that we look up to comedians to hold up some sort of truth standard for us.

That is sad.

[Joey Liberal]

81. Bill Maher is Dennis Miller Junior

I hope Bill Maher is very happy with the conservative studio audience that he wants. I quit watching his show. Why the fuck would I watch any show with a conservative audience? Not gonna happen. Its bad enough living in a red state that is filled with Bush loving, Faux News watching idiots.

[robbedvoter]

82. When you grow up, read Ionesco's "Rinoceros"

It's about the loss of humanity individual by individual as they were surrendering to the fascism power. In the play they were actually becoming beasts, forgetting to speack, tearing into people. one by one, giving in. Last night I watched such a transformation - and it's why I watched at all...
A meditation as to what makes us what we are...
When you grow up, you'll hopefully understand.
Killing people is not funny.
http://www.rhinoionesco.cjb.net/

[Walt Starr]

83. I gave Bill Maher one last chance last night

I couldn't last 60 seconds. He's Millered himself.

Fuck him.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

86. What did he say?

[Walt Starr]

90. HE's been trying to get a 50-50 crowd of conservsatives and liberals

and he wlecomed the conservatives.

I don't turn on Maher to see his version of Hannity and Colmes.

Fuck him, he supports Bush now, IMO and is nothing more than a has-been mysoginisitic asshole.

[stranger81]

100. Last night he also

devoted his entire monologue to a Leno-style rundown of all of the week's tabloid news -- steriods in baseball, Robert Blake, Michael Jackson -- it was truly painful. Not a word about ANWR, Wolfowitz, etc -- nothing. And then he trotted out a conservative panel for the hour.

Have to agree with you -- it I wanted to risk that kind of serious retinal injury, I'd just turn on Fox News for an hour.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

84. Bill Mahar is now an ENEMY of OUR cause.

You do not LIE about such matters as NATIONAL SECURITY! Mahar, who by the way is very fond of Ann "Man" KKKoulter, has no problem overlooking the lies about this war. At heart (if Bill has one), Bill is a LIBERTARIAN. Except for the religious fundamentalism, Bill is a adapts the right wing view. He is anti-affirmative action, pro-war(chickenhawk), and MILITANTLY anti-woman.

Mahar has flip flopped before and I have no more tolerance for him. If they try to take him off the air, I will write a letter supporting that action. Bill can go to Hell for what he has done!

Bill Mahar = Dennis Miller

[BikeWriter]

87. If he is supporting the deserter and thief, fuck him!

[PROGRESSIVE1]

89. Right on BikeWriter!

[BikeWriter]

93. I usually don't curse, but had t to do. * is raping America, and if Maher

abets that he is my enemy.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

94. I was not offened! Mahar is our enemy and the enemy of America.

[BikeWriter]

96. The forum I moderate is the same as here. Democrats and a few...

...* hating conservatives. I seldom go to the bipartisan forums. I am easily bored by stupidity. ;)

[PROGRESSIVE1]

107. KICK

[seabeyond]

95. I usually don't curse.......................i almost always do, lol loln/t

[BikeWriter]

97. ROFLMFAO!

[Jackson4Gore]

99. Take your own advice buddy and try to actually listen to what he is saying

[BikeWriter]

102. Hee hee hee! I have a right to my opinion, buddy, and I gave it!

[kentuck]

98. I think he is conscious of the criticism....

Which is why he felt compelled to point out that many in his audience were conservatives...Trying to give crumbs to both sides without offending either, I guess??

[spanone]

101. He's looking for ratings, that's what comedians do.

[robbedvoter]

104. He had the ratings. He's watching them go bye bye because HBO

was instructed accordingly. "You are now a democrat" to the tool of evil in Carnivate was just as coincidental.

[BikeWriter]

103. ...Or selling out his convictions, depending on your point of view.

Whichever, I don't care for it.

[dzika]

106. Videos - Selected clips from HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher on 3/18

March 18, 2005

Video - HBO: Maher's liberal phone sex joke has "Gannon" punchline - 3/18

Bill Maher now has a "bi-partisan" audience on HBO's Real Time. He still manages to squeeze in a Gannon punchline.



Video in Real Media format (4 minutes)

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Video - HBO: Maher on Global Warming, New Rules, Homeland Security rant - 3/18

Video in Real Media format (7 minutes)

[Name removed]

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[dzika]

109. I don't know why I bother...

I guess that I believe that there are some people out there that don't get HBO but would like to make their mind up for themselves.

Sometimes there are parts of the show that I find funny and agree with even though I don't agree with Maher on other issues. Maybe amplifying some of the funny parts by sharing video clips will make a difference.

[BikeWriter]

110. Idiots? You're damned free and easy with your name calling!