You FUCKING Bastards....You Fucking Whore Media Bastards...

[DemocracyInaction]

A bucket of cold water on me will not work - I AM BEYOND LIVID (and that's after I expected this).I want to make something clear---I have no dog in this Social Security fight because even though I've paid in a fortune, I am not entitled to draw one penny from this system. This is as pure as you're going to get here.

So--tonight I'm out in the kitchen and I hear NBC hyping the evening news with how Republicans are fighting back over Social Security. I knew exactly what this shit was about and flipped into "kill" mode.

I watched and measured every word they said. They told about opposition to Bush's SS and then (on cue) they did a "Swift Boat" routine (and I have something to say here at the end that I know about all of this). They showed a goddamn website ad from these guys (that we already know about)that slammed the AARP as not supporting our troops and being in favor of gay marriage. Of COURSE the point is that by this exposure you have people tonight turning against the AARP and a bunch of goddamn elderly assholes (like me) saying "gee, Clyde, we have to rip up our AARP membership 'cause they are promotin' them gays".

Here's what I mean about what I know. I've posted this in a couple of posts as it became known. First, I said just this afternoon that the news reports were that the Repubs put SS on the backburner when they came back from vacation (they were going to introduce it this last Monday) because they held public meetings on it during vacation in their districts and they were met with total hostility (so they shelved it waiting for Bush to "drum up more support"). Secondly, I posted before that an interview with a CEO on Bloomberg financial news that admitted that Bush is now calling all the CEO's to pressure congress----ahh, like the CEO's THAT FUCKING OWN THE MEDIA!!

And, BINGO, within two days, the media is doing the "SwiftBoat" free advertising on the AARP assault. FOLKS, WE CAN NEVER GET AROUND THIS EXCUSE FOR A FREE PRESS WHICH IS THE PROPAGANDA ARM OF OUR CORPORATIONS". I have no idea how we can even remotely surive. There was no scant mention of Dem opposition--a lame, soft spoken line from Reid. These bastards are promoting for free this internet ad (and I'm sure soon to be main stream media ad) calling the AARP both unpatriotic and favoring gays. Look for it to appear all over the place with NOT ONE, NOT ONE opinion nor ad nor observation from the opposition--including the ads the AARP and others are going to run or are running now. Bottom Line: figure out a way to live 'cause all of us are dead meat and have no future under these Nazis.

[trumad]

1. Easy now...

We are winning. 3rd rail...

[DemocracyInaction]

7. Thank you Trumad--and the symbol you represent there of Scott

I know....I know.....I just want to cry and to cry on somebody's shoulder. I SO FUCKING HATE THESE PEOPLE. You know what?? I wish I was as brain dead as half these people so I could live in oblivion and sleep at night. Thanks for reminding me who just preached about that "Third Rail" this afternoon. God I can't take this any longer..........

[mattclearing]

39. Not winning fast enough.

We need to bury this. Why would you want to calm such righteous anger?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

80. I'll tell you why

This SS thing is DOA. trumad's right. It's the 3rd rail and they are frying themselves on it. They should have never gone near it.
We need to save the anger and rage to head off the judicial nominees.

[fishnfla]

2. more people are reading your post than watching that shit

*hint, hint*

[BikeWriter]

3. What is needed is more ranting and discontent, just like yours!

[ElectroPrincess]

16. Yes, we need to get worked up (or at least act) to wake up the sheeple ...

[BikeWriter]

43. Make that "stoopit" sheeple and I'll agree with you. ;-)

[xpat]

75. The meme is "Bush's Social Security phase-out plan".

There are no words to mince on this issue. The goal is to get rid of social security. Period. Everytime you hear "SS reform" replace it in your mind with "SS phase-out".

[wryter2000]

87. Another meme

Starve the beast.

What he's doing with SS and Medicare and with public education (NCLB) is making government so expensive and unworkable that he or subsequent repukes can throw up their hands and declare that the whole thing has to be scrapped.

I posted this on a chat board we have at work last week and made some progress. Some asshole wingnut actually responded, "but once the beast is starved, private charity will take over." A nuclear blunder on his part. He put his own stooopid words to it and admitted that's what they're up to. Imagine what the sheeple looking on must have thought.

[paineinthearse]

4. Amen!!!

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[Al-CIAda]

5. Keith Olbermann tonight will cover story of the gay couple used in anti-AA

MSNBC's Keith Olbermann tonight will cover story of the gay couple used in anti-AARP ad
by John in DC - 3/2/2005 05:22:00 PM
He'll be interviewing Christopher Wolf, the lawyer representing the couple. As you may remember, the couple is accusing USA Next of stealing their photo from a Web site without their permission, and without the permission of the guy who took the photo. Both big no-nos in copyright land. Not to mention, USA Next then painted them as anti-troops-during-wartime and anti-American. So they also have a libel case.
As you know, I'm working for them as their PR guy, helping them deal with the media, and more generally getting the word out. Supposedly, it will be at the top of the show, 8PM Eastern, 5PM Pacific (the show is rebroadcast I think 4 hours later).
You can read more background on this story here and here.

http://www.americablog.org/

[dzika]

66. Video - Countdown: USA Next (Swift Vets) use stolen photo to attack AARP

Video - Countdown: USA Next (Swift Vets) use stolen photo to attack AARP

Video in Real Media format (4 minutes)

[wryter2000]

89. Bless Olbermann

Dang, and I missed the show last night.

Time for another fan letter. :loveya:

[Mr_Spock]

6. Tell us how you really feel

I totally agree with you - they seem determined to push things to a point of no return in this country. We don't take kindly to fascism - please stop it.

[DemocracyInaction]

12. MrSock--oh, baby don't I know about Sinclair

I've written to the Dem Party here in Maine and to everyone I know about not watching our affliate station who has that piece of human fucking shit on it every goddamn night. He first showed up during election time, but obviously isn't going away. There have been some effects. Certain peoples have pulled their ads and putting it on our other two outlets. But the ones who keep ads on this shit I've been working to destroy. This shit, literally, should not be permitted. I have no idea how I will ever be able to save this nation for my grandchildren.............but, by Christ, this old Gray Panter type will die doing it.

[Mr_Spock]

24. Yeah, I hear ya on that

I hope they don't continue down the path they are heading at this time. We all will lose in the end.

[tabasco]

8. NBC is the worst of the big three.

The Nightly News is simply the public relations arm of the weapons corporations.

I too am angered and saddended that the corporate cabal is in the driver's seat. It is all downhill from here.

If the Democrats on the Hill do not fight SS "reform" to the death, they are worhtless.

[BigBearJohn]

9. Arent there any rich democrats who want to own their own tv station?

[Sapphire Blue]

17. George Soros?

[flyarm]

71. soros just bought a huge block of cnn stock!! n/t

[Sapphire Blue]

73. Well then, why is Novak still on there?

and Woodruff?

[flyarm]

99. has to wait for board meetings..

and he has to hve voting blocks of stock..i dont know if he has enough..but from what i read..he has a ton of it now!!

they all better watch it now!! he may be setting it up to put ted turner back at the helm!!!

fly

[Sapphire Blue]

100. I'd love to see David Brock get his own show

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

79. Yes, he has! Soros is also getting involved with satellite tv. n/t

.

[cyberpj]

53. I asked before but didn't get anywhere with this... AL GORE?

Isn't that something Gore was doing last year?

Haven't heard a peep about that.

[EFerrari]

10. Okay, go easy. You're right but there are more of us

than watch those piece of sh*t broadcasts.

That's what they don't count on. People turn them off.

And now they're going after Gramma?

We're going to win this one, and maybe more because of their infinite stupidity.

Hang in.

[Al-CIAda]

11. • Send us email

NBC nightly news-

[email protected]

[babylonsister]

13. I'm surprised I haven't heard anything from AARP

to defend themselves. We all saw how the SBV's smeared Mr. Kerry and what damage they did.

[DemocracyInaction]

15. babylon---that's exactly what I mean

You haven't heard the others because they are NOT getting free press (run that ad again, baby) from the mainstream media. They are running the "swiftboats against grandma" ads like I said. We will NEVER hear of the others. Bush called his CEO's, like I said, and they delivered. By the way.........don't mean to be sensitive here at DU. Though I'm a grandma, like 3 times over and #4 on the way.....stop goddamn calling this shit "taking check away from grandman, etc." There taking it away from all of you.

[babylonsister]

21. I thought I'd read AARP wouldn't lower

themselves to respond. I'll check out their website, but if that's so, that's an ignorant way of dealing with this malicious threat. If AARP's honest point of view isn't represented publicly, the boneheads only hear, as usual, what the repugs want them to. I know, we're screwed because both sides aren't allowed to be expressed and the media is so biased. And I do agree it will be taking away from all of us. I too am a grandma of 3! If it ain't broke...

[bklyncowgirl]

77. Won't lower themselves to respond. Why does that sound familiar?

Oh yeah, of course, it was er what's his name? That tall guy. John yeah John Kerry.

These people have to be hammered for the stinking liars that they are by any means necessary.

[gulfcoastliberal]

59. Is Novelli still CEO of AARP?

That guy is probaby in on it - total scumbag.

[Petrushka]

14. Same thing on CBS evening news! Only thing different . . .

. . . Bush said something about Dem's propaganda! Yeah, ri-i-iiiight!

[Do_You_Know]

18. The price for a free press.

As a rule..I think there should be very few limitations on the press..even when people don't like the message, even if one feels that the news is dictated by the corporations that own them. If we don't agree with how the corporations are running news organization then we should appeal to the shareholders to insist on changes. Pension funds own large blocks of stock from corporations such a GE, Disney and Viacom and hold the true power to make changes....if they are necessary.

[DemocracyInaction]

25. Hello "Do You Know" and you just made a hell of a lot of sense

Welcome to DU----------and why didn't we ever think of this. Pension funds could be a very big key. These are worth umteen zillions in this economy and maybe it's time that very average Americans start pressuring the corporations in which these funds are invested.

[Name removed]

29. Deleted message

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[DemocracyInaction]

38. DoYouKnow--WE HAVE spoken out and outlined alternatives BUT

the goddamn media refuses to give one second of air time to it and THEN turns around and smears us for not "having anything to say". There's no getting out of this mode. They refuse to cover us. The people suck down their propaganda. They regurgitate the "the Dems have no solution" mantra. The people believe. And you, sweetheart, and me (unless you are one of the Ken Lay type rich---a stupid yuppied doesn't even count)are getting fucking killed.

[Donailin]

55. Troll

Yeah. You.

[Auntie Bush]

60. Do_You_Know

a troll when you see one? I do!

[cally]

57. The real reason behind Arnie's 'Special Election'

California's pension funds got organized. They were trying to exert influence. Arnie is stopping it.

[linazelle]

26. A free press is not one without ownership limitations...

our forefathers knew that a free press was the foundation for democracy. It's one thing to have unlimited free speech in the press/media, as in truth, it's another to have a few owners in the bed with the government dictating their special interests at the expense of the peoples' interests.

[Do_You_Know]

30. What are you prepared to do about it? nt..

[linazelle]

37. There is not much I can do...got any ideas?

[Name removed]

40. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[nolabels]

95. You need to figure out what a captive market is

The only thing free about the press in USA is how freely spoons out bullshit for us mushrooms they are trying keep in the cool darkness

When was last time you ventured into the internet to find out what was really happening in Iraq?

If need a link you can start here,
http://www.antiwar.com/

What Iraqis are Saying
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

[BrklynLiberal]

19. And they just LOVED the AARP when they supported the moron and his

Medicare Drug bill which was aimed to rip off the seniors and give more money to the pharmas!!!
How ironic!!
Don't let your blood pressure get too high...use the energy to keep motivated and fight these morons!
Hopefully by alienating the Grey Panthers they have stepped onthe wrong toes!!!!

[dave123williams]

20. I hate to say it, but you can thank Clinton for this...

He signed the 1996 Telecommunications Act in to Law. This is what's allowed for the corporate consolidation of media assets under just a few banners.

Want this to change? Challange the TCA in court. It's our only hope.

I've become convinced that every single time you see both Republicans and Democrats in the Rose Garden together, signing a new piece of legislation that they've all agreed to...well, we all just got fucked.

[DemocracyInaction]

32. Dave---you are goddamn right

I know about the Clintons.....and I've come to hate them. Jesus they were as bad as Bush.

[dave123williams]

93. I rather like Bill, and have met Hil - she was supernice, quite charming..

He's my picture of the 'perfect politician'. Super well-read, voracious intellectual appetite, and yes - slippery as a live trout. As a pure political animal, I think he has no living equal.

However, that doesn't mean I agree with his capitulations, and for my $0.02, the Telecommunications Act of 1996 is the goddamned worst thing that's EVER happened to our country...we're just starting to see why it is....

[DearAbby]

34. I wonder how much we are paying to terrorize Grandma & Grandpa?

Payola bullshit...whores

[Bridget Burke]

76. Did Clinton write the act?

Or--did it originate on Congress? Isn't that where bills come from?

[dave123williams]

91. Without Bill's signature, it would not now be law.

[Pithy Cherub]

22. WOW! That is a rockin' rant that

with a wee bit of editing should go to the newspapers and every Dem officeholder. Why not set the publishing cat amongst the TV pigeons by making these asinine media whores fight each other!

Breathe...email...breathe...email...;)

[BigBearJohn]

27. NOW YOU'RE THINKING -- GREAT IDEA!!!!!

[BeFree]

23. Is this what you are saying?

AARP was an b**h ally on the prescription drug give away, right? But now that AARP stands up for Social Security, they will be destroyed?

Is there anyone who can stand up to the machine without being destroyed?

[Do_You_Know]

33. Double standard

There were huge amounts of people on this side talking about how bad the AARP was when they supported the prescription drug plan....What gives? Where is the consistency?

[blue neen]

41. AARP fell for Bushco's propaganda on the prescription drug fiasco.

AARP learned from their mistake and don't intend to repeat it.

That's "What gives."

The only thing that's been consistent with this adminstration in office is their manipulation of the media.

And "this side" will continue to fight. Got it?

[BeFree]

42. Hey, we are democrats!

We don't follow nobody or nothing, except what's good for the people.

When AARP sold their soul to big pharma, we rightly complained. And we always will. If AARP stands up for Social Security we will applaud. It's fair, and it's square. That's democracy speaking.

The inconsistency is from the republican M$M: Now that AARP has changed it's mind and said enough is enough on Social Security, the M$M starts a prime-time lynching, making a show just for the b**h.

The M$M has no business being in show business.

[BigBearJohn]

28. Let's all email the media outlets!!!

[Deja Q]

31. What happens when you corner an emotive animal? Or even hurt it a little?

This time, we're the animals they're cornering.

The analogy is the same. It's a universal aspect of nature. Not opposition or defiance. But fighting back to save one's self.

People will eventually get tired of what's going on. And that's when we truly have to worry... Count the prisons.

[Sapphire Blue]

35. Bush in 30 Years-Flash Contest to Stop the Republican Social Security Scam

From MoveOn....

http://www.bushin30years.org/?id=5136-3796744-_vY9GMkynYwrBow6zidT8g

[wildflower]

36. This quote from Gandhi...

that I used to have in my sig, has always helped me:

Whenever I despair, I remember that the way of truth and love has always won. There may be tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they may seem invincible, but in the end, they always fail. Think of it: always.

Hang in there. :hug:

-wildflower

[AnnitaR]

65. Thanks for that quote!

I am utterly depressed today and it helped. Think I'll add it to my sig line now. It gave me hope.

[buddysmellgood]

44. This will ruin them. Attacking AARP is like going after peoples parents.

That won't wash. People dream of retirement. They hope for the day that they can join the AARP.
This is going to backfire huge.
They might as well have smeared kindergartners, bunnies and ice cream.

[seventythree]

61. I agree with you

but not because it's going after people's parents -- I think the ad is their downfall because the boomers are 45-60 -- they are the demographic gorilla, and they will not like being accused of not supporting the soldiers (AARP starts at 50). We are the Nam generation and we know you can support the troops, while not supporting the mission. Personally, I want the ad to get more play, because AARP folks first won't believe they support gay marriage, and they know damn well they support the troops -- and the more it is tied to the swifties the more the over 50 crowd begin to get a clue as to what happened in the last election.

[buddysmellgood]

67. I really don't get it. Who thinks ill of the AARP? I've only seen

politicians bend to and fear it. Bushco really is going for broke.

[seventythree]

97. USANext

and they are trying to turn AARP members against the organization by putting up an ad saying AARP's agenda is anti-troops and pro-gay marriage. It's a divide and conquer strategy -- they say that AARP is the largest liberal lobby there is. You know, tar them with the "L" word. It's precisely because the AARP's large member base is powerful, that they want to destroy them.

[dandrhesse]

45. If it makes you feel any better the AARP got in the first shot in both

Time and Newsweek. Full page ad that says " If the sink is broken you don't need to tear down the whole house" or something to that effect. I thought the ad was good.

I am as upset as you over the state of the media. I tell you this, the folks that I know are going for this load of bs, no matter the age. I think Bush has really crossed the line thinking that all seniors are so stupid that they won't get this, or at the other end that all college age kids are that dumb. Nobody is!

The thing that I am going to start with my email group and I would ask you to join in "full court press" the senators on the Republican side. We know what the Dems think, but I think its time to make the Rep. Senators expend a whole lot of time and money answering phones and answering snail mail. Send as many as you can as often as you can and tell them what you want.

I would advise not using the language you did for this post, but I would certainly advise using ALL the passion behind it.

They need to hear and see the public opposition loud and strong and if your state has one or both Senators that are Republicans all the better they are required to answer your mail!

[autorank]

46. I'd like to see AARP on board in my never-ending quest for a media boycott

I share your outrage. Social Security is just a damn good program for everybody, old or young, fully vested or not. It's is one of the best expressions of our decency as a country.

[rodeodance]

47. How is AARP fighting back? Are they?

[autorank]

56. Apparently they've got ads already made up and piloted.

They should unload soon. Plus, they have lots of money and a motivated base. If the * SS plan dies a natural death, they'll probably hold back. But they have to do something to let the Rovepublicans know they're not to be messed with. Watch for them to go for Medicare negotiations with the drug companies. That would be a suitable punishment for * and company.

[Guaranteed]

48. I, too, have posted what I'm about to say numerous times.

But, maybe, at some point, we'll get it in our heads that we need a party-wide...I mean the whole Democratic Party...boycott of individual news outlets.

If we want to hurt them, that's what we have to do.

[Skittles]

49. Best. Rant. Ever.

yes INDEED :thumbsup:

[ryan_cats]

50. My parents are wingers

My parents are wingers and they are totaly against this latest republican reverse Robin Hood scam (steal from the poor and give to the rich). They love AARP and nothing is going to change their minds on AARP and SS reform.

I think the republicans have totaly underestimated how much people are against this.

I like your energy!!!

[forgethell]

51. I really goota know:

How do you pay into Social Security and not be entitled to a single penny?

[eridani]

70. If you die before you collect.

That's how insurance works.

[forgethell]

88. DemocracyInaction

is not, or at least wasn't, dead at the time of posting. He said he wasn't "entitled" to one penny. Does he plan on dying before retirement age? Is he an illegal alien? That might be a way he wouldn't be entitled legally, although I don't know.

Assuming he lives, how is he not entitled?

[DemocracyInaction]

90. forget----I was a teacher but

from my first job as a teenager, through working my way through college, through all of the second jobs and summer jobs, etc. I had to pay into Social Security. As a teacher I can only draw ONE government pension and thus am not entitled to get back anything from my SS payments. Teachers and others in such same systems have been trying to fight it. And, of course, given how the republicans love teachers.........well, fill in the blank.............

[forgethell]

94. Thank you for your explanation.

Still, I don't think that's right. I beleive you're entitled to collect once you've contributed for so many months or quarters. I could be wrong about this, but I'd check it out if you haven't already done so. Can't do any harm to make sure.

[seventythree]

98. My understanding is

that you get something, but not what you would be getting if that SS history stood on its own.

[cyberpj]

52. OH...OH...OH...!!! AND DON'T FORGET GREENSPAN!!!

Who (if he isn't already) might just as well be on the BushCo payroll as well:

WASHINGTON (AP) - Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan prodded Congress on Wednesday to curtail the cost of government health and retirement benefits promised to baby boomers "sooner rather than later," at the same time giving a fresh boost to President Bush's embattled call for personal accounts under Social Security.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050303/D88J7JPO0.html

[Sapphire Blue]

74. His wife's doting WH 'reporting' sure seems suspect

[peekaloo]

54. CBS did the same thing! Website ad ,too.

plus how a 60 city "blitz" is now scheduled featuring all the major Admin. crims hustling this POS for Bu$hCo.

[Donailin]

58. You're not alone, my friend

Your rant sounds like the one of the thousands I have expressed for the last four years. And lately, I can't even watch or listen to any of these people, especially the nameless one. I literally get a visceral reaction. My blood pressure shoots up and I have to remove myself from the source and breathe.


Even C-span is corrupted, their programming is so perfectly skwede to advance the right, it's breathtaking.

The only hope I have is that we won't have to stop the madness, the "moral majority" will come to their senses when the economy tanks, and that will take just one asian bank to make an anouncement and start selling.

[seventythree]

62. did you hear of the meeting yesterday

the asian countries forming what they called the Asian Bellagio -- to determine how to handle currency issues? I had a nightmare before this meeting was even reported of a catastrophic economic collapse.

[ailsagirl]

63. The Moron is losing ground on trying to change SS...

The Senate's top Republican said yesterday that President Bush's bid to restructure Social Security may have to wait until next year and might not involve the individual accounts the White House has been pushing hard.

The comments of Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), made as GOP lawmakers returned from a week of trying to sell the plan to voters, underscored the challenge facing the White House, especially in light of unbroken Democratic opposition.

"In terms of whether it will be a week, a month, six months or a year, as to when we bring something to the floor, it's just too early," Frist said.

Frist is reluctant to put off a vote until 2006, when lawmakers will be focused on midterm congressional elections and the atmosphere will be more politically charged, aides said. But with polls showing widespread skepticism of Bush's proposal and some Republicans opposed to the approach, GOP leaders signaled yesterday that they may have no choice but to put off action.

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/

AND

Bush plan hits rocky ground
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050220/REPOSITORY/502200384/1037/NEWS04

AND

Social Security reform is losing steam on Hill
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-20/1109745433103120.xml

AND

Recycled rhetoric
Bush's huge gamble on dismantling the cornerstone of the New Deal will fail. And if the Democrats remain disciplined, his defeat will be profound.

by Sidney Blumenthal

March 3, 2005 | The coming defeat of President Bush on Social Security will be the defining moment in domestic policy and politics for his second term and for the future of the Republican Party. It will be a central, clarifying event because Bush alone chose to make this fight.

Campaigning in 2004 on the trauma of Sept. 11, he won by the smallest margin of any incumbent president in American history. The Electoral College map was little changed from the deadlock of 2000. While Bush barely took two states he had lost before (Iowa and New Mexico), he lost one to John Kerry -- New Hampshire. Bush's political advisor, Karl Rove, had forecast a fundamental realignment that would establish Republican dominance, but Bush's desperate political position required a series of tactics of character assassination against the Democratic candidate and culture war gambits on gay marriage, atmospherically organized around the fear factor of Sept. 11. The outcome was a strategic victory but not a structural one, and Bush's campaign further polarized the country.

In the chasm between his meager win and his grandiose ambition, Bush might have decided to form a government containing some moderate Republican and Democratic Cabinet members, claiming that the gravity of foreign crisis demanded national unity. But the thought never occurred to him. Instead, he bulled ahead in the hope of realizing the realignment that eluded him in the election.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2005/03/03/social_security/

:evilgrin: :toast: :bounce:

This may not belong in this thread but I don't know how to move it...

[fromBrooklyn]

64. here here

Until we can free the fourth estate and get our votes counted...

[Change has come]

68. Kick...NT

:kick:

[depakid]

69. Just turn it off

Seriously.

There's no good reason to watch any of the garbage that passes for "news" on ANY channel. Maybe "Now" or "Frontline" on PBS, but that's it.

It will only do one of 2 things- raise your blood pressure or misinform you.

I'll never forget the poor dude who basically got laughed out of class last spring for parrotting some non-sense that he heard on CNN. I almost felt sorry for him- having to learn the lesson the hard way that CNN routinely passes along false statements of facts.

[DavidFL]

72. That's why I call it Neocon Back Channel Nightly News...

It's totally geared to the wingnuts that listen to Rush, Boortz, Hannity and all those other neocon, fascist windbags. Ever notice most of Nightly News' advertisers? Impotence/ED drugs. I agree with you though it's maddening. If I believed everything on NN, I'd think Bush walks on water, France and Germany = evil, arabs and muslims and brown people = evil, Bush went to war to "liberate" an oppressed people, and Hussein rose to power all by himself, hatched his plans and obtained the weapons to implement them independent of any foreign assistance.

What really pisses me off about Nightly News is when they do those segments at the end of the program where they profile someone leaving for Iraq/someone that's returned from Iraq missing (fill in body part(s)) and the impact of this on them their family. It's like, you whores at NBC News helped cheerlead the country into this damn war and now they have the gall to claim they "support the troops."

Anyway, I don't watch it to get my news, but to get a handle on what the neocons are thinking and what they're up to. I've noticed that anytime they want to float an idea concerning foreign policy, or just put disinformation out there, Andrea Mitchell will have a segment. If the neocons want to scare people, Pete Mitchell will have a segment about terrorism. If they want to rile up the wingnuts, consumer reporter Lisa Myers will do a story about the U.N. oil-for-food program, French and German corporations getting Iraqi reconstruction contracts, or whatever else nonsense that offends the wingnuts.

[dandrhesse]

78. here is a great link for AARP - It's their activist page - it's great!

You can contact any Senator or Congressional Rep. They offer choice of Letter/email/fax, they also offer form letters or compose your own. You sign up or register and the service is free, if you save your information you don't even have to fill in the form everytime. Try it, you will be impressed. You can also view their ads and their positions on issues.

http://capwiz.com/aarp/home/

[nolabels]

81. I just can't wait, I still am in my mid-forties but feel that.............

I have already lived a lifetime with these people who feel it's their duty to attack anyone who wouldn't want be like them. Lately I am kind of thinking please attack more because your weakness is really showing.

Its sounds like no coincidence they now want to attack older and or people with different sexual persuasions, for this was the same thing the Nazi's and Hitler did back in the thirties

I WOULDN’T WANT TO BE LIKE YOU

Lead vocal: lenny zakatek

If I had a mind to
I wouldn’t want to think like you
And if I had time to
I wouldn’t want to talk to you

I don’t care
What you do
I wouldn’t want to be like you

If I was high class
I wouldn’t need a buck to pass
And if I was a fall guy
I wouldn’t need no alibi

I don’t care
What you do
I wouldn’t want to be like you

Back on the bottom line
Diggin’ for a lousy dime
If I hit a mother lode
I’d cover anything that showed

I don’t care
What you do
I wouldn’t want to be like you
(snip)
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/a/alan-parsons-project/5345.html

[independent_mind]

82. hmm...

very interesting.

[johnaries]

83. Don't worry, even the conservative twit on CNN this morning

(I forget his name - ON PURPOSE!) admitted it was dead. Admitted that since it's been tabled they won't look at it for at least a year, and since next year is an election year they won't touch it then.

It's Dead! We Won! BUT, we still need to hammer them on their dirty tactics. We can't let them keep getting away with these lies.

[DemocracyInaction]

92. According to some economist big boy or CEO (whatever) on one

of the financial networks (crying in his beer), SS (and I think that would also mean Medicare) will not have a chance of being raised again until 2013----the second term of the next president. And I said to myself "so you guys already know that the next president is going to be a republican--how interesting". Anyway, the point is that it now gets all mixed in to various election cycles and won't be touched. Trying to rip the gizzard out of America has be be done very soon after the swearing in of the second term. (God these people are scum and they never go away)!!!

[wryter2000]

84. Why were you watching NBC?

You really want to get your news from General Electric?

I'm not going to sit here and claim that CBS is good, but it's a hell of a lot better than that tripe. In fact, last night they showed the Swift Boat anti-AARP ad last night but said flat out that it was paid for by Republicans and designed by the same folks who did the Swift Boat lies. They only pointed to it as evidence that the fight is getting nasty. They gave it no legitimacy at all. (Of course, they didn't ad that the nastiness and lies are only going in one direction...that would have been too much for the "librul" media. I told you they aren't perfect.)

If you want to save your stomach lining and your sanity, switch to CBS.

[wryter2000]

85. Why were you watching NBC?

You really want to get your news from General Electric?

I'm not going to sit here and claim that CBS is good, but it's a hell of a lot better than that tripe. In fact, last night they showed the Swift Boat anti-AARP ad last night but said flat out that it was paid for by Republicans and designed by the same folks who did the Swift Boat lies. They only pointed to it as evidence that the fight is getting nasty. They gave it no legitimacy at all. (Of course, they didn't ad that the nastiness and lies are only going in one direction...that would have been too much for the "librul" media. I told you they aren't perfect.)

If you want to save your stomach lining and your sanity, switch to CBS.

[richargl]

86. nazis?

that's a little extreme no?

Steve @ Orgasm Control . com

[Cocoa]

96. the whores are failing

privitization is plummeting in the polls, despite the media lining up with Bush.

You're absolutely right, the media is in no way being fair in this discussion, they've completely taken sides and are working with Bush with every piece they run being a donation to the cause of privitization.

But it's not working, so far.