Did Karl Rove have any part in Dean getting labeled as an angry madman?

[rjx]

Back in Iowa. Did Rove influence the republican talking heads? I didn't know much about Rove back then like I do now. Here I am just thinking of what would have been maybe if Dean ran against Bush and not Kerry and the thought about Rove popped in my mind. What do you think?

[donco6]

1. No doubt.

The Dean Scream footage I'm sure, was collected and disseminated by KR to news outlets for the express purpose of spinning him as nuts.

[LiberallyInclined]

2. it was faux news that did it...

if you listen to the audio feed from the room dean was in, you could barely hear him over the din of the crowd. when faux ran the piece, they cut the room noise, and just used the sound from dean's personal mic(which is designed to cut out ambient noise as well, so it wouldn't pick up the crowd noise) which made him look/sound like a mental case.

[Dookus]

6. Nope

I watched it on CNN and heard it loud and clear, as did a whole lot of other DUers. There was a thread about it on here immediately - long before anybody replayed it.

[Mockingbird]

3. Rovian Chatter

I'm not really sure what you are saying in original post.


But you make Karl into something larger than life, by giving him credit for anything & everything that goes wrong. It enhances his stature on the basis of myth.

I see him more like Burgess Meredith's portrayal as The Penguin on the old cheesey Batman series in the reruns:

A Legend in His Own Mind, but a grotesque character.

The shotgun approach gives him credit for nefarious things which worked to a nefarious effect, whether or not he had anything to do with it. OR whether it worked quite as planned, if he did.


Fox (replying to another post simultaneously):

They have been known to enhance footage.
If I am correct, they even added a laugh track to the supposedly "funny" bits of Bush's inaugural & state of the union speeches.

But I recall hearing an interview with Dean, where it was pointed out that the mic was directional & therefore did not pick up the ambient sound of the crowd reaction to his words. It's old news.

[blm]

4. No. It started before that. Even Jon Stewart latched on to the angry Dean

image by the fall of 2003.

I was not a fan of Dean's as I saw his centrist record as governor and felt he was being dishonest by portraying himself as left of the others during the primaries. I believe in actual records over campaign rhetoric.

What I believe now is that Dean has absorbed the passion and some of the positions of the left and can express them successfully when he approaches them with his moderate, pragmatic tendencies which come more naturally to him and where he is most comfortable.

[oasis]

5. The mainstream media gets its marching orders from Rove. The "Dean Scream"

was played and replayed a trillion times by the MSM. 'nuff said.

[gademocrat7]

7. Hope Dr. Dean screams

loud enough to burst rove's and co. eardrums.

[rjx]

9. LOL

I loved that motivating speech he gave and was so disappointed to see it all blow up in his face. But the role he has now is extremely important and our party will benefit tremendously imo.

[XOKCowboy]

8. Does a bear...

care if the Pope is Catholic?

Or something like that. Rove runs the right wing media machine. I'm sure his fat, slimy hands are in on it.

[eShirl]

10. I saw it live on MSNBC

with the audio from the directional mike that cut out the noise of the crowd. Then they cut back to Tweety & his panel and they were all like "What the feck was THAT?!!"

[JohnnyRingo]

11. Whether or not he originated it, he's ready to perpetuate it

<excerpt>

Karl Rove was on best behaviour at Time Warner's inaugural Conversations on the Circle this week in New York - until he was asked about Howard Dean.

Rove surprised the audience by revealing the existence of a second "Dean scream".

Rove disclosed that the White House had a tape of the scream, which erupted at the end of a speech to the California Democratic state convention in Sacramento on March 15 2003.
<snip>
On Wednesday evening, Rove was still salivating at the prospect of using the tape - along with the infamous post-Iowa caucus scream - in a future election.

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/afbd3dae-7bd2-11d9-9af4-00000e2511c8.html

[rjx]

12. "Rove considers Dean a worthy opponent

who could be a good chairman of the Democratic national committee."

[Grey Ranks]

13. Thanks

I have been looking for something like that article.

[AndyTiedye]

14. Dean Threatened to Break Up the Media Corporations

The media would have been gunning for Dean anyway.

[SoCalDem]

15. Do birds fly? Is the pope Catholic?..n/t

:)

[derby378]

16. I actually put most of the blame on Matt Drudge

He's the one who helped break the "Dean Scream" nationwide. And boy, the evangelicals jumped all it. I just pointed out to them that they were unaccustomed to seeing real passion in American politics. It blunted some of their attacks on Dean, but not near enough.

[n2mark]

17. Dean scream

I would rather have a Dean scream then the Karl Rove vicious attacks. The Dean scream never bothered me, it just showed me his passion in a positive way. Actually his scream gave me cause to be more excited and involved. Rove's methods make me depressed and hateful. I support the Dean scream, love it!

[rjx]

18. I agree with you 100%

:)

[derby378]

19. I got nothin' but love for the Dean Scream

Sometimes I can even duplicate it. Takes a tiny bit of practice to get that cadence right.