Kerry Tells Geraldo...

[Steely_Dan]

This Morning: Geraldo indicated this morning that while speaking with Kerry yesterday at the Clinton Library...

Geraldo mentioned that it was a tough election...
Kerry states that it was the Osama video just days before the election that did him in. That there was no time to counter it. That people got scared.

-Paige

[aquart]

1. And we made the mistake of thinking Kerry had a brain.

[L84TEA]

2. hey now....

Remember there are people on here who have a lot of respect for him.

[donsu]

6. what? you don't want us hurting their feelings?

should we just shut up?

I think not.

[L84TEA]

11. Well he obviously have a brain

Or he wouldn't of been the democratic nominee. So by saying that you are saying that that we as Dem's made a poor choice, maybe we did? yet... it wasn't because the man was stupid.

[Mike L]

41. Brain, yes. Common sense, no.

[freedom_to_read]

7. who would have done better?

lay off Kerry for Christsakes.

[digno dave]

38. I am beginning to think Gephardt, Clark and maybe even Leiberman

could have defeated shrub. Leiberman's moderate tendenciers may have saved him, but im not sure, being that he is from the NE. He may have salvaged Fla.
I pushed for Clark in the primaries but eventually decided he was too green a politician to win in the GE. I thought he might not crush shrub in the debates like I assumed Kerry would. This is why I thought Kerry could pull it off, becasue he would manhandle * in the debates. Well, he did, and look what it got us.
I think ANY candidate outside the NE who was half way competent could have defeated Bush.
SO, i think these 3 could have pulled it off.
Kerry's mouth did more harm to himself that his senate record.
Without "voted for it before i voted against it", Hollywood is the "heart of america", "global test" Kerry may have pulled it off anyway.

[Mike L]

43. I think Gep could have won it.

Re Kerry's mouth, you forgot: "Sensitive war" and "terrorism....nuisance".

[samtob]

44. I was pulling for Gephardt in

the primaries. I supported Kerry because Gephardt did not make it. Anyone can second guess at this point, but, I feel he would have had a better chance. JMO

[JNelson6563]

52. If Gephardt hadn't given Iowa to Kerry

maybe we'd have ended up with a stronger candidate. Thanks to your buddy...

Julie

[Mike L]

56. Dean would have been roasted by Rove.

And Dean's temper made him unelectable.

Gephardt was the "generic Democrat". He had no negatives to bring him down. The left would have voted for ABB.

[JNelson6563]

62. Please, share some more Rethug memes with me...

cause there isn't enough of that stuff in the media!

*yawn*

[The_Counsel]

50. Whoa. Slow Down...

Are you implying "sensitive war" and terrorism....nuisance" were mistakes? Hardly.

If they hurt at all, it was only because the GOP machine parsed and spun them to death. They KNEW those statements couldn't be dicredited unless they were taken out of context.

The "nuisance" thing was especially galling. Kerry was CLEARLY saying he wanted to GET BACK to the place where terrorism was a mere nuisance. Who doesn't? Shit, *I* do! But no... the GOP tried to spin it as Kerry believing the CURRENT terror situation to be a nuisance -- something a complete moron wouldn't even say out loud...

The REAL problem in this country is that spin works, unfortunately... :eyes:

[Mike L]

59. Yep, those terms were mistakes because the public doesn't

care enough to find out the proper context. After 20 years in politics, Kerry should have known better.

No one ever lost an election by underestimating the intelligence of the average American voter. You lose elections by overestimating the intelligence of the electorate.

Kerry gave Rove statements to use that bolstered the image Rove was trying to create-- flip-flopper, weak on defense, soft on terrorism. Kerry has "book smarts", but little common sense.

[DownNotOut]

22. Fair weather fan huh.....

Just because your pissed about having * steal another election should give you the license to pound on the rightfull winner...

D.N.O

[petepillow]

30. Seriously, there's a lot of sour grapes around here....

No he wasn't perfect, but hell Clinton wasn't perfect. Geez. If your team doesn't win the Politial Super Bowl it means they deserve the same hatred as the team you were playing against? There's a lot more to be upset about than Kerry individually. Does this mean you hate the entire Democratic Party too? Do you also hate all the local Dems who lost? We're all disappointed, but remember that Kerry was certainly no less likely to win than any other candidate we had to choose from (except possibly Dean, but we all know he was crucified for fun by the press... should we hate him too?).

[Bjornsdotter]

3. Bullshit! n/t

[quiet.american]

4. ...Well....

I guess if you're a Kool-Aid drinker, it makes perfect sense to vote for the guy who didn't get the guy you're scared of in the first place because obviously the guy who let him get away in the first place is the best guy to keep you safe from the guy he let get away.

[stellanoir]

9. Luv your circular logic

my head is spinning. Now I know sort of know what it's like to be a freeper. Wooooosh.

[truebrit71]

What a fucking stupid thing to say.....

Hey! John! Repeat after me...

THE

ELECTION

WAS

RIGGED


Jesus Christ could have appeared on national TV and endorsed you, you STILL would have lost...

The "election" was over before a single vote was cast....

[sangh0]

45. What a fucking stupid thing to say.....

truebrit, repeat after me....

UNTIL HE HAS PROOF, KERRY CAN'T SAY IT WAS RIGGED BECAUSE HE WILL LOOK LIKE A FOOL.

Jesus Christ could tell you this, and you would still expect Kerry to make an ass of himself.

[truebrit71]

55. What a fucking stupid thing to say...

sangh0, repeat after me

Kerry already made an ass out of himself by saying that the Osama tape did him in....

Jesus Christ...

[GRLMGC]

5. So long rationality!

Logically, the fact that Bin Laden is still free would signal that the Bush administration's "War on Terror" is being run incompentently. Otherwise, Bin Laden would be in captivity. The fact that people think that they need a "strong" leader who couldn't capture Bin Laden BECAUSE Bin Laden is free is one of the most idiotic things I can think of. I don't wanna believe that people are that illogical, but I do.

[anamandujano]

8. I hope the Kerry apologists are listening

They're going to be falling hard on inauguration day. I hope they are getting the jist of the Kerry silence, it is really the end and not just "strategy".

[L84TEA]

15. why?

Why should HE apologize for a rigged election???
lmao... or would you prefer him come out like a lunatic without the hard evidence. i really hope people eat their words of this... I really do.

I voted for Kerry and almost everyone I know did! The QUESTION IS...
Were OUR VOTES COUNTED???

[Pirate Smile]

10. I saw an interview with him in his Senate office and they asked why he

lost and he said because of the war. The people don't throw out war time presidents but they almost did this time. He said the US has never defeated an incumbent Prez during a war.

Hmmm, I remember when people around here used to think he was smart. Now everyone seems to think he has the brains of Bush. Actually, not everyone just the most vocal people.

[Roland99]

12. Oh what a fucking cop out...what a crock!

[sksoapfan24]

14. I think Kerry realizes

how most Democrats feel on this. That most Democrats looked at the video and saw that Osama could have been captured a long time ago if it wasn't for Bush. I think what Kerry was talking about was Republicans who might vote Democrat or swing voters. I think even though us Democrats see that video very clearly for what it was, a lot of people see things differently. A lot of people looked upon that video like, oh, Osama wants us to make a change, he is trying to influence our election so we vote out Bush, we are not going to let him do that. And, as Kerry said, a lot of people got scared, they actually bought into the idea that if we change, Osama will hurt us more. As untrue as it is. I think Kerry is perceptive in his comments. He is not talking about logically how the American people should feel about the tape, he is acknowledging the probable emotional reaction of a lot of people.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

13. You're believing GERALDO???????

How low you've sunk............

[sksoapfan24]

18. I have noticed how

Kerry is giving a lot of interviews with low profile people or people like Geraldo. LOL. I'd like to see a transcript on this. Does anyone have a link?

[shugah]

16. well, that's a source we can trust! n/t

[wildflower]

17. Well...I see this as good and bad news.

The good news is that Kerry is not advancing the meme that we lost because of morals, etc.

The bad news is he does not believe (or is not mentioning...I don't know anymore) that any voting problems could have occurred.

BTW, is this Geraldo's say so, or is there a link to a video or article?

-wildflower

[sksoapfan24]

20. I think Kerry does realize

voting problems occurred or he wouldn't have people in Ohio looking into this. However, he does not believe that there was so much voter fraud that it would overturn the election. Only time will tell.

[AlCzervik]

19. Geraldo or gerry rivers-his real name

isnt worthy to wipe Kerry's shoes.

[xultar]

21. That wasn't the case. People didn't get Skeerd. n/t

:scared:

[ComerPerro]

23. Sort of like how he "told" Carl Cameron

"I'm a metrosexual. Women should like me"

I will never believe anything that anyone representing Faux News says.

[AP]

24. This election was always going to be about Hope vs. Fear. The only way

to protect against fear in the end would have been to give people so much hope and optimism that they would have been more excited about that than scared about terrror.

This is why FDR's '32 theme song was "happy days are here again" and it's why during the war he had fire side chats.

[mbee]

25. He is playing it smart and waiting until the right time for the dam

to break loose. Geraldo is a sensational jerk so who would think Kerry would be able to have an intelligent conversation with him.

[Divine Discontent]

27. amazing it's believed

just because one of us said it? no link, and even if it DID happen, of course that had SOMETHING to do with his "loss", because a million or more idiots got skeered by the Boogey Man as "Fahrenheit 9/11" showed him as when they played that scream music when they showed Osama on the screen.. HA.

Kerry would have been hailed by everyone on here if he had won or better yet, had every vote counted since so many hundreds of thousands were SPOILED, that's the majority of the RIGGING folks, wake up anyone who doesn't know this, figure it OUT, yes, some machines were tampered with or screwed up in Bush's favor (only I might add), but think of alllllllllllllllllllllllllll the votes that were thrown out because they weren't "legible" or weren't from voters in the "right precinct"..

Just sickening....

:grr: :nuke:

[GodHelpUsAll2]

61. I'm not

quite in agreement with the "Kerry would have been hailed by everyone here" comment. There were/are plenty out there that voted for him simply because he was not Bush. He would have been ripped win or loose. So before you accuse people of being turn coats think about the fact that maybe they weren't real excited about him in the first place.

[Divine Discontent]

63. well....

well, after thinking about it, and the past posts I've read before the election, you're right. there were people on here that weren't really excited about him, (I was one of them til I met him, he is not slick, or a fraud, I read em very clearly, and he is the real deal!, saw him 4 times) and then there are people on here that just want to gripe and moan about everything, regardless of what's going on, they're going to take the other side... freaks. lol

[Snivi Yllom]

36. Waiting for what?

The fantasy that a recount is going to show Kerry winning?

Aint gonna happen. I do not understand why people are setting themselves up to be emotionally crushed again when there is no election reversal.

[sandnsea]

26. terror terror terror

Everybody around here has been bitching for months about how Bush has manipulated people with terror. That's what Kerry said in his Boston interview and it's probably what he's saying in this interview. It's amazing how Kerry can validate exactly what DUer's have been pissed off about and it's still not good enough.

[tjdee]

53. Oh no.

Kerry is not the same as all DUers just sitting around talking.

Kerry had the entire Democratic party at his disposal.

He had a staff of PR/communications people.

He had a brain.

It was HIS JOB to figure out how to GET AROUND it.

And he didn't.

[Vote4Kerry]

28. Faux news has already had to apologize for fake Kerry quotes

To remind everybody,
Faux news has already been caught before issuing fake Kerry quotes! Don't trust what you hear from them (it is all propaganda!) Here is an article from the AP that supports this:

Updated: 11:06 PM EDT
Fox News Pulls Item With Fake Kerry Quotes
By SIOBHAN McDONOUGH, AP

WASHINGTON (Oct. 1) - Fox News apologized Friday for posting phony quotes from Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry on its Web site.

Carl Cameron, a Fox reporter who covers the Kerry campaign, wrote an item that looked like a news story with made-up Kerry quotes, said Paul Schur, a Fox spokesman. The item was not intended to be posted on the site.

"Carl made a stupid mistake which he regrets," Schur said Friday night. "And he has been reprimanded for his lapse in judgment. It was a poor attempt at humor."

The phony item posted early Friday read in part:

"Rallying supporters in Tampa Friday Kerry played up his performance in Thursday night's debate in which many observers agreed the Massachusetts senator outperformed the president.

"'Didn't my nails and cuticles look great? What a good debate!' Kerry said Friday.

"With the foreign-policy debate in the history books, Kerry hopes to keep the pressure on and the sense of traction going.

"Aides say he will step up attacks on the president in the next few days, and pivot somewhat to the domestic agenda, with a focus on women and abortion rights.

"'It's about the Supreme Court. Women should like me! I do manicures,' Kerry said."

The item also quoted Kerry as saying of himself and President Bush: "I'm metrosexual - he's a cowboy."

After withdrawing the item, Fox posted a statement on its Web site, http://www.FOXNews.com apologizing for the error. It said: "The item was based on a reporter's partial script that had been written in jest and should not have been posted or broadcast. We regret the error, which occurred because of fatigue and bad judgment, not malice."

Cameron has been a political reporter for Fox News since 1996, Schur said.

Asked about the incident, Kerry spokesman David Wade said: "America would be stronger if only George Bush could admit his mistakes as easily."

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10/01/04 21:29 EDT

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[Dr Fate]

49. Great point- they have admitted to reporting faked news....

...except all the other channels did not come down on Fox like they did Dan Rather- I wonder why?

[johnnyrocket]

29. Just WHERE did this Osama tape come from? As fast...

as it showed up...it DISAPPEARED!

What the FUCK is that all about?!?! I still don't understand this Osama tape, something smells fishy.

[moderate_hero]

31. It wasn't Osama, it was principles

Dean had 'em and stuck to 'em. Kucinich had 'em. The only one left who stood for what I stood for, all the time, was Nader. We are never going to get anywhere if we try to get these guys with no spine elected. The final straw for me was seeing Kerry with that noble goose he killed. That told me that this animal-rights type was no longer welcome in the big tent.

[MsTryska]

33. geese are good eatin'.

did you not know he's been a hunter most of his life?

[moderate_hero]

39. I remember him saying it...

but flaunting it right in front of me and millions of others was too much. I could hold my nose no longer.

[MsTryska]

42. flaunting it in front of you?

that seems awful self-indulgent.


the man hunts. he had an opportunity to hunt in poland. he hunted.

and the press took pictures of it.

i understand your sensitivity, but please there's gotta be a better reason than a self-avowed hunter hunting for you to pick at.

[moderate_hero]

46. I guess I aqm misuderstood

I said it was the final straw.

[MsTryska]

47. oh. gotcha. nt

nt

[Snivi Yllom]

35. "Blame Osama"

That one little videotape ran off the tracks that thundering 100,000 ton steam locomotive that was the Kerry campaign........


You have to be fucking kidding me.


Anything but the truth. It couldn't possibly have to had to do with the fact he ran a campaign staffed by walking turds and followed their equally crappy advice advice?

[moderate_hero]

40. Exactly

/hammer hitting head of nail/ Dean's outburst may have sunk his campaign, but he was unapologetic about it. He certainly did not say, "I followed my staffer's advice and did it. Shoulda fired him sooner." He was real and that was what we needed.

[MsTryska]

32. *lmao*

that actually sounds like his wry sense of humor to me.

like he would tell geraldo soemthing like that in all seriousness.

kerry doesn't like the press, and he doesn't trust them to NOT twist his words.


so why not jsut say anything to get one off his back.

they're just gonna lie anyway.

[hollywood926]

34. May I remind you of Al Capone's vault????

Geraldo Rivera is an idiot. He is the ultimate self-serving hack. If he told me the sky was blue, I'd have to look up and make sure.

I doubt John Kerry would have given him the time of day at that event.

[BobF]

37. Osama TV® should have HELPED Kerry!

More than three years after Chimpy promised us Osama "dead or alive", up pops Osama (complete with TV makeup), practically LAUGHING at us...made Chimpy's supposed 'unshakable resolve' look like so much horseshit.

It would have been a 'touchy' thing to try to exploit, but if Kerry could have reminded everyone that HE was the one made Chimpy acknowledge that it was Osama who attacked us on 9/11, Kerry could have picked up a few percentage points...maybe enough to make the election un-stealable.

Osama made Bush look like an incompetent fool. The reason Bush "won" can be found elsewhere..namely in the domain of proprietary computer code.

[City of Mills]

48. He shouldn't have called Cheney's daughter a lesbian

during the debates, not that it was an inaccurate description, but it made me cringe because I knew it would freak a lot of people out.

[tishaLA]

51. I agree

I hate when people say a lesbian is a lesbian. Just like I hate to hear books called books or walls called walls.

[hollywood926]

57. None of this matters!!!!

99.9% of the people who voted for Bush would have voted for him no matter what. He could have chopped off his mother's head and eaten it on Pay-Per-View and given the profits to Halliburton - and they STILL would have voted for him.

I explained and explained and explained and explained everything there was to explain to my repug friends and they would say, "Oh, I know he's dumb, but I'm still voting for him!"

[tishaLA]

58. Yeah my post was sacrasm

I thought it was obvious

[hollywood926]

60. I wasn't talking to you. :-) n/t

[democraticinsurgent]

54. Survey in Indiana said over 50% of voters considered OBL video

Not sure exactly of the source but a reporter friend of mine quoted that to me about a week ago. anyone else see numbers on this subject?

[porkrind]

64. It's the FRAUD, dumbass!!!

Kerry WON the election, and they stole it from him. It's not about Osama, or any other bullshit. It's about election theft. Until we destroy the black box voting machines and reinstitute fair elections, all of this is pointless.

WE WON in 2000, and they stole it.
WE WON in 2004, and they stole it.

Nothing else matters until we have fair elections. I was suprised to see the front page of DU had articles on DeLay and Powell instead of the FRAUD! Wake the fuck up, people! DeLay and Powell don't mean shit compared to the STOLEN ELECTION. There IS NO OTHER STORY RIGHT NOW!!! They are just trying to distract us until the electoral college votes and the election is certified.

[mondo joe]

65. Did Geraldo ask him "Why no Abu Ghraib mentions in campaign?"

Why no commercioals with images of Abu Ghraib with Bush superimposed on them and the words "the price of one man's arrogance"?

[JCMach1]

66. you know... Kerry really is out of touch then

give me a break...