Fascism, Nazism, & Eugenics supported by Oil Barons of America &

[Pallas180]

especially the Rockefeller foundaton

A Horror Story - http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/nazihydra.html

The Nazi Hydra In America Live and Well.

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/noon.html


The Eugenics and Euthanesia Movement in American, Exported to Germany
by the Rockefeller Foundation - directly to Auschwitz and Joseph Mengele

Fascism in America
Part 1: I.G. Farben
Part 2: I.G. Economic Warfare & Traitors In High Places
Part 3: The Great Paper Schuffle & Cartels
Part 4: The Red Scare of 1919
Part 5: Preachers &Klansmen
Part 6: American Eugenics
Part 7: The Bush Family and Eugenics
Bibliography

Chapter 5:The 1930s: Nazis Parading on Main Street
Part 1: The Fascist Plot Against Roosevelt
Part2: Republicans, Nazis & Elections
Part 3: Fascists & Anti-Unionism
Part 4: The Press Sells Out to the Nazis
Part 5:Congressmen & SeditionistPart
Part 6: Pro-Nazis of the1930s
Appendix 1: Big Money Donors to the Pro-Nazis
Bibliography
Chapter 6:The War Years
Part 1: The Failure of the FBI
Part 2: Rainbow 5 & The Great Sit Down Strike
Part 3: The Battle for the Home Front
Part 4:The Nazis run for Cover
Part 5: Corporate Traitors
Part 6: Navitist Adopts Fascism
Bibliography

Chapter 7: A Pledge Betrayed
Part 1: What went wrong at Aachen?
Part 2:United Nations War Crimes Commission
Part 3:What is a war crime?
Part 4: The OSS: Friend or Foe
Part 5: The OSS in Europe
Part 6: The Nazis Plot a Comeback
Part 7: The Control Council For Germany
Part 8: Generals Clay and Draper
Part 9: John McCloy
Part 10: Freeing Krupp
Part 11: Cover Up
Part 12: The New German Goverment and Old Nazis
Bibliography
Appendix 1: OSS Personnel
Appendix 2: Captured Documents
Appendix 3: Gold Fillings, Auschwitz & George Bush
Appendix 4: Timeline of Treason: The Bush Family Connections to the Nazis
Appendix 5: Photocopy of Vesting Act 248: Seizing Union Bank
George W. Bsh, The Neocons & The Nazis: Ties That Bind---text
George W. Bsh, The Neocons & The Nazis: Ties That Bind---Diagram




Chapter 8: Nazi Gold
Part 1: Merkers
Part2: Safehaven Operations
Part 3: Bormann’s Aktion Feuerland
Part 4: Corruption Overtakes Safehaven
Part 5: Operation Andrew, Sweden and Nazi Gold
Part 6: Portugal,Spain and Nazi Gold
Part 7: Turkey, Argentina and Nazi Gold
Part 8: Switzerland and Nazi Gold
Part 9: Gold Stories from Argentina
Part 10: The Emperor's Golden Lily
Part 10-A: The Black Eagle Trust
Part 11: Gold Stories from the United States
Bibliography
Ratlines: The CIA & The Nazis
George Bush, The CIA, Mind Control & Child Abuse
Those Damn Hippies Are Still Trouble: How the 60s Still Effects Us.

[durutti]

1. Rockefeller's impact on science persists today.

There's a long (and in my opinion, unhealthy) tradition of atomism, reductionism and determinism in Western science that's grown particularly intense over the last 30 years.

Interestingly, Barbara Ehrenreich, who has a doctorate in biology, was trained at the Rockefeller Institute. I think the influence is reflected in her writings.

[Jim Sagle]

2. Your first sentence is especially intriguing. Could you elaborate?

[Pallas180]

6. Jim, read this link , Part 6, American Eugenics linked here:

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/1920sp6.html





ai yi yi, chihuahua, this lil yappy doggy follows me wher'er I go.

[Jim Sagle]

35. Thanks, Pallas180. I will read that link.

[durutti]

22. Sure.

Modern science is an outgrowth of the liberal-democratic revolutions in Europe. These revolutions were driven, of course, by nascent capitalism. The ideology behind them was one of individualism: "there's no such thing as society", just people and their families. Society is no greater than the sum of its parts. This ideology was reflected in many institutions, particularly religion: Calvinism, with its blessing those who would profit at the expense of others, is an obvious expression of individualist/liberal-democratic ideals.

Science was also such an expression. The approach of Bacon, Descartes, and so on was to understand things by breaking them down into their component parts, and ultimately into undivisable, immortal things called atoms. Also, it was thought that everything has a cause, such that if one knew all the facts about the present, one could always predict the future.

This methodological reductionism eventually evolved into philosophical reductionism -- the idea that whole disciplines could be reduced.

Since at least the time of Comte, there's been this idea that there's a hierarchy of sciences: at the peak of the pyramid we have the social sciences; below them psychology; below psychology biology, below biology, chemistry; and below chemistry, physics. Reductionists seek to collapse each level of the pyramid into that below it. To reductionists, the only real science is physics -- everything else is social work.

Scientists have been taught to research and argue in this manner for generations, thanks in no small part to organizations like Rockefeller. A few have broken ranks, and great discoveries have resulted. But it's still something that's adhered to by many.

Now, reductionism does have a place, and it has in many ways been a productive research strategy. Certainly, biology should be understood in terms of chemistry. But biology obviously can't be understood only in terms of chemistry, or chemistry only in terms of physics.

Trying to reduce the social sciences to the natural sciences is even more absurd -- for the perfectly obvious reason that the production of scientific knowledge itself is a social process.

Some of the best examples of these bad scientific habits are to be found in biology. For the past quarter of a century, it's been fashionable to think of organisms as nothing more than genes' ways of making more organisms. We are supposedly "lumbering robots" "blindly programmed" to propogate our "selfish genes".

This is a bunch of BS, to be frank. DNA was once regarded as just another molecule; then its structure was discovered at (surprise, surprise) around the same time that atoms were thought to hold the secrets of the universe in physics. Because it was a way of securing funding and competing with their physicist colleauges, biologists framed genes as the "atoms" of biology, and so they've been ever since.

But of course, there's much more to an organism than genes. There are various kinds of non-genetic inheritance -- in the form of gut microorganisms and cytoplasm, for example -- that together are just as important as genes.

Furthermore, it's becoming increasingly apparent that natural selection takes place not just (and perhaps not at all) at the level of genes, but also at the level of organisms and groups, and even ecosystems and species. The classical methodological individualism of science -- though it did serve a purpose -- is not sufficient.

Every day we're told about the discovery of a "gene for" this or that disease or behavior. The truth is that there's not a "gene for" anything. Virtually all observable traits are the products of many genes interacting. And each individual gene performs a number of different tasks. Genes, in short, are not atoms. They can't be considered except in the context of the whole organism.

More to the point, claims of genetic discoveries are typically retracted (though the retractions get not nearly as much fanfare), and the search goes on. The only behavior or disorder that we've discovered that its 100 percent certain to have a genetic component is Alzheimer's.

Now, it's certain that there are other things that have genetic components. But because altering any one gene impacts so many others, and because it's so difficult to determine whether or not a genetic component exists, the benefits of things like the Human Genome Project won't materialize for a long, long time -- if ever.

We can do more to fight cancer by getting rid of carcinogens in our food and our workplaces than trying to locate genetic components. We can do more to fight homelessness by providing good jobs than trying to find a gene for it (and some have gone so far as to suggest that a gene for it does indeed exist).

But finding genes costs a lot of money. And genomania directs public resources away from fighting the social roots of these problems. And that's why it's so dangerous.

Anyway, if you're interested in these issues, I highly recommend the popular writings of Richard Lewontin, as well as the writings of Ruth Hubbard and Steven Rose. Niles Eldredge's Reinventing Darwin is also good.

[Jim Sagle]

36. Thanks durutti. Much food for thought in your posts.

[kodi]

87. so, you're arguing free will/indeterminism over scientific deteminism

and i agree.

yet objective scientists recognize how quantum mechanics throws a monkey wrench into the latter and admit as william james does that the universe has a considerable amount of loose play.

nice post, don't see much of this stuff on DU and I wish there was more of it.

[no_hypocrisy]

3. Eugenics by the government is still legal and permissible.

The decision in Buck v. Bell has not been overturned since the 20's.

The government (federal, state, agency) can order a hearing for any citizen in order to adjudge that individual "unfit", "feebleminded", (read, unsuitable-to-breed). If the Court agrees, the government can petition to have that individual sterilized against his/her will.

The defendent in the cited Supreme Court case was determined to be "feebleminded". In fact, she was an unwed mother, who was herself the daughter of an unwed mother, living in poverty in Virginia. The state didn't want her reproducing like a rabbit, making her and her family a burden on the community. If she was "slow", it was due to lack of education. (Ironically, the daughter of the defendant was tested years after the case, and found to have a higher-than-average IQ.)

The point: the laws are still on the books in some states, they are enforceable, and the government has its foot in the door.

[Pallas180]

5. What's shocking to me is the names Rockefeller & Carnegie have always been

associated with "largesse" , with charities.....so on the one hand
while they were being "wonderful caring founders of charities" through their above board public relations, in the background they
were founding organizations to rule the world - (David Rockefeller's Trilateral seems to have the most influence and doing the most damage - his dream is almost within an inch of reality)

Euthanasia and "Eugenics" - sterilizing those THEY considered unfit -allowing sick people to rot from illness without proper medical care who they considered unfit - playing the role of God and these ideas , according to the book, of course were adopted by the US governement because of the power of the names behind them. But that
Rockefeller supported Hitler's eugenics and Mengele and the "twin
experiments even during World War 2 - under the guise of medical charity is revulsion.

We attribute the horrors of Hitler's extermination ideas to Hitler, when in fact they originated in America and were exported to Germany.
And then Rockefeller attempted to have the recoreds scrubbed clean so
that their name wouldn't be connected to Hitler's "final solution".

I would really like Jay Rockefeller to stand up and say his uncle David Rockefeller is crazy and he has nothing to do with the goals of
Trilateral. Because I'm left wondering if he adheres to that philosophy?.

Yes, the euthanasia and eugenics are still being subtly practiced in
this country.

Think about it: the HMO's which deny treatment and tests, which make the decisions about who will receive care and who will not.

Cheezus. This is one corrupt country and we have exported our corruption to every country on the planet.

horrifying.

[Pallas180]

9. Societal engineering throught the HMO's denying care is

another of their "eugenics" schemes I'm beginning to suspect

[Octafish]

4. Poppy's best bud's fortune came from selling oil to NAZIs.

William Stamps Farish, like the Bush-Walker family -- as their associates the Harrimans and Dulleses and much of the rest of the kleptocracy -- knew how to make money off of war...

More on the Bush-Nazi Connection

EXCERPT...

Meanwhile Hitler’s Nazi Party was broke once more, so in 1928 he approached Fritz Thyssen again and hit him up for a huge sum of money (estimates run between 250,000 and 1,000,000 German marks) to buy Barlow Palace in Munich and turn it into the Nazi Party Headquarters.

Then came the Depression and Harriman & Co merged with a London company, Brown/Shipley and Harriman & Co became Brown Brothers, Harriman. The firm moved to 59 Wall Street but the Union Banking Corporation remained at 39 Broadway. Averell Harriman and Prescott Bush formed a new company, Harriman 15 Corporation. One of the companies Harriman 15 Corp owned 1/3rd of the stock in was Consolidated Silesian Steel Company. The other 2/3rds was owned by Freidrich Flich.

In 1932 Fritz Thyssen joined the Nazi Party and by 1934 with Hitler firmly in power, he contracted the Thyseen/Flich empire to rebuild the German military machine. Thyssen and Flick were making money hand over fist and so was UBC in New York. Prescott Bush was made managing director of UBC and handled the day-to-day operations of the Thyssen/Flich empire. Then in 1934 the Polish government threatened to takeover the Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation and the Upper Silesian Coal and Steel Company for non-payment of taxes and other corrupt practices. Bush hired John Foster Dulles to paper over the ripoff. But in 1939 Hitler invaded Poland and of course the takeover never occurred.

One of the reasons Auschwitz was built in Upper Silesia was because it was located near the vast coal deposits and one of the companies that employed the slave labour from Aushwitz was the Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation. Then Thyssen and Flich sold Consolidated to UBC and under the total control of Harriman and Bush it became the Silesian American Corporation.

Not only did Prescott Bush’s company employ slave labour, it also made the steel that killed Allied soldiers during WWII. Following the war, Prescott liquidated all the assets of UBC and related companies and used some of the ill-gotten gains to finance his bid for senate and some of it to finance Bush Senior’s first company, Overby Development Company. The blind trust setup by Bush Senior was managed by his old buddy, William Farish Junior who on March 25th, 1942 pleaded "no contest" to conspiring with Nazi Germany while president of Standard Oil of New Jersey. Standard Oil opened a gasoline plant in Auschwitz in 1940.

SOURCE:

http://www.williambowles.info/ini/ini-0143.html

[Pallas180]

7. Makes you wonder if Hitler invaded Poland as favor to Silesian

"Then in 1934 the Polish government threatened to takeover the Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation and the Upper Silesian Coal and Steel Company for non-payment of taxes and other corrupt practices. Bush hired John Foster Dulles to paper over the ripoff. But in 1939 Hitler invaded Poland and of course the takeover never occurred."

"One of the reasons Auschwitz was built in Upper Silesia was because it was located near the vast coal deposits and one of the companies that employed the slave labour from Aushwitz was the Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation. Then Thyssen and Flich sold Consolidated to UBC and under the total control of Harriman and Bush it became the Silesian American Corporation."

[Pallas180]

8. And this is news I never heard before

"The blind trust setup by Bush Senior was managed by his old buddy, William Farish Junior who on March 25th, 1942 pleaded "no contest" to conspiring with Nazi Germany while president of Standard Oil of New Jersey. Standard Oil opened a gasoline plant in Auschwitz in 1940."

Thanks, I haven't paid any attention to that name Farish and had no
idea he was connected to Standard Oil.

Standard Oil is Rockefeller's , right?

[Pallas180]

10. William Stamp II, but there's a III and IV all involved with bushes

William Stamps Farish II
William Stamps Farish II (1881 February 23 Mayersville, Mississippi to 1942 November 29 Millbrook NY)
Son of William Stamps Farish (1843-1899) and Katherine Maude Power (1860-1931)<1>, cousin of Jefferson Davis <1> (For unknown reasons, his father is not usually counted in the sequence.)

He married Libbie Randon Rice in Houston on 1911 June 1. They had a son and a daughter. He was a founding member of American Petroleum Institute and was its president in 1926.

Farish, with others, founded Humble Oil in March 1917; it was eventually absorbed by Standard Oil/Exxon. In 1933 he became chairman of the board of Standard's New Jersey division, and in 1937 became Standard's general president.

Sometime in the 1930s, Standard Oil and IG Farben had come to an agreement that Standard would not compete in rubber in Germany whilst IG Farben would neglect oil in the United States. Certain valuable patents, such as that for making a gasoline or kerosene equivalent from coal, were shared. This arrangement became something of a legal and public-relations problem when Standard and Farben found themselves on opposite sides of World War II shortly after the attack on Pearl Harbor.

In February 1942, Ass't Att'y Gen'l Thurman Arnold, Navy Sec'y Franklin Knox, and Army Sec'y Henry Stimson confronted Farish with the charge that, by continuing to favor Hitler in rubber deal and patent arrangements, Standard Oil had acted against US interests.

They suggested a M$1.5 fine, which Farish rejected out of hand, essentially promising to turn off the US' oil supply. (during wartime) Arnold, Stimson, and Knox soon realized they had no power to compare with that of Standard and settled for a ‘no contest’ plea, which avoided a public trial, and a trivial fine of a few grand. Farish paid $1000, a quarter of one week's salary.

But the gov't wasn't finished yet. Arnold and Interior Sec'y Harold Ickes convinced Harry Truman to bring SO before his Senate Special Committee Investigating the National Defense Program. Truman relished rousting out these ‘traitors’…

SO executive. Sold oil and patents to the Luftwaffe during WW2 while his son of the same name was in the US Air Force. Exposure of the scandal probably left the grandson of the same name with the family fortune prematurely.

It is claimed the Auschwitz concentration camp was established as forced labour for the Standard-Farben plant nearby. If so, that would make Farish somewhat complicit in those crimes.


See Also
William Stamps Farish III
William Stamps Farish IV

External Links

[Pallas180]

11. Ambassador to England William Stamps III , Bush 1, & Himmler

William Stamps (Will) Farish III

When George Bush was elected vice president in 1980, Texas mystery man
William Stamps Farish III took over management of all of George Bush's
personal wealth in a "blind trust." Known as one of the richest men in
Texas, Will Farish keeps his business affairs under the most intense
secrecy. Only the source of his immense wealth is known, not its
employment. Note #3 Will Farish has long been Bush's closest friend and confidante.

President Bush can count on Farish not to betray the violent secrets surrounding the Bush family money. For Farish's own family fortune was made in the same Hitler project, in a nightmarish partnership with George Bush's father.

On March 25, 1942, U.S. Assistant Attorney General Thurman Arnold
announced that William Stamps Farish (grandfather of the President's
money manager) had pleaded "no contest" to charges of criminal
conspiracy with the Nazis. Farish was the principal manager of a
worldwide cartel between Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey and the I.G.
Farben concern. The merged enterprise had opened the Auschwitz slave
labor camp on June 14, 1940, to produce artificial rubber and gasoline from coal. The Hitler government supplied political opponents and Jews as the slaves, who were worked to near death and then murdered.

Arnold disclosed that Standard Oil of New Jersey (later known as Exxon), of which Farish was president and chief executive, had agreed to stop hiding from the United States patents for artificial rubber which the company had provided to the Nazis. Note #4

A Senate investigating committee under Senator (later U.S. President)
Harry Truman of Missouri had called Arnold to testify at hearings on
corporations' collaboration with the Nazis. The Senators expressed
outrage at the cynical way Farish was continuing an alliance with the
Hitler regime that had begun back in 1933, when Farish became chief of Jersey Standard. Didn't he know there was a war on?

The Justice Department laid before the committee a letter, written to
Standard president Farish by his vice president, shortly after the
beginning of World War II (September 1, 1939) in Europe. The letter
concerned a renewal of their earlier agreements with the Nazis:
The Bush-Farish axis had begun back in 1929. In that year, the
Harriman bank bought Dresser Industries, supplier of oil-pipeline
couplers to Standard and other companies. Prescott Bush became a
director and financial czar of Dresser, installing his Yale classmate
Neil Mallon as chairman. Note #7 George Bush would later name one of
his sons after the Dresser executive.

William S. Farish was the main organizer of the Humble Oil Co. of
Texas, which Farish merged into the Standard Oil Company of New
Jersey. Farish built up the Humble-Standard empire of pipelines and
refineries in Texas.Note #8

In 1933, as what Hitler called his "New Order" appeared, John D.
Rockefeller, Jr. appointed William S. Farish the chairman of Standard
Oil Co. of New Jersey (in 1937 he was made president and chief
executive). Farish moved his offices to Rockefeller Center, New York,
where he spent a good deal of time with Hermann Schmitz, chairman of
I.G. Farben; his company paid a publicity man, Ivy Lee, to write
pro-I.G. Farben and pro-Nazi propaganda and get it into the U.S. press.

Now that he was outside of Texas, Farish found himself in the shipping business-like the Bush family. He hired Nazi German crews for Standard Oil tankers. And he hired "Emil Helfferich," chairman of the Walker/Bush/Harriman Hamburg-Amerika Line, as chairman also of the Standard Oil Company subsidiary in Germany. Karl Lindemann, board
member of Hamburg-Amerika, also became a top Farish-Standard executive in Germany. Note #1 Note #4

This interlock between their Nazi German operations put Farish
together with Prescott Bush in a small, select group of men operating
from abroad through Hitler's "revolution," and calculating that they
would never be punished. In 1939, Farish's daughter Martha married Averell Harriman's nephew, Edward Harriman Gerry, and Farish in-laws became Prescott Bush's partners at 59 Broadway. Note #1 Note #5

Both Emil Helfferich and Karl Lindemann were authorized to write
checks to Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Nazi SS, on a special Standard Oil account. This account was managed by the German-British-American banker, Kurt von Schroeder. According to U.S. intelligence documents reviewed by author Anthony Sutton, Helfferich continued his payments to the SS into 1944, when the SS was supervising the mass murder at the Standard-I.G. Farben Auschwitz and other death camps.

Helfferich told Allied interrogators after the war that these were not his personal contributions-they were corporate Standard Oil funds. Note #1 Note #6

After pleading "no contest" to charges of criminal conspiracy with
the Nazis, William Stamps Farish was fined $5,000. (Similar fines were levied against Standard Oil -- $5,000 each for the parent company and for several subsidiaries.) This of course did not interfere with the millions of dollars that Farish had acquired in conjunction with Hitler's New Order, as a large stockholder, chairman, and president of Standard Oil. All the government sought was the use of patents which his company had given to the Nazis-the Auschwitz patents-but had withheld from the U.S. military and industry.

But a war was on, and if young men were to be asked to die fighting
Hitler.. something more was needed. Farish was hauled before the Senate committee investigating the national defense program. The committee chairman, Senator Harry Truman, told newsmen before Farish testified: "I think this approaches treason." Note #1 Note #7

Farish began breaking apart at these hearings. He shouted his
"indignation" at the senators, and claimed he was not "disloyal."
After the March-April hearings ended, more dirt came gushing out of
the Justice Department and the Congress on Farish and Standard Oil.
Farish had deceived the U.S. Navy to prevent the Navy from acquiring
certain patents, while supplying them to the Nazi war machine;
meanwhile, he was supplying gasoline and tetraethyl lead to Germany's
submarines and air force.

Communications between Standard and I.G. Farben from the outbreak of
World War II were released to the Senate, showing that Farish's
organization had arranged to deceive the U.S. government into passing over Nazi-owned assets: They would nominally buy I.G.'s share in certain patents because "in the event of war between ourselves and Germany ... it would certainly be very undesirable to have this 20 percent Standard-I.G. pass to an alien property custodian of the U.S. who might sell it to an unfriendly interest." Note #1 Note #8

John D. Rockefeller, Jr. (father of David, Nelson, and John D.
Rockefeller III), the controlling owner of Standard Oil, told the Roosevelt administration that he knew nothing of the day-to-day affairs of his company, that all these matters were handled by Farish and other executives. Note #1 Note #9

In August, Farish was brought back for more testimony. He was now
frequently accused of lying. Farish was crushed under the intense,
public grilling; he became morose, ashen. While Prescott Bush escaped
publicity when the government seized his Nazi banking organization in
October, Farish had been nailed. He collapsed and died of a heart
attack on November 29, 1942.


The Farish family was devastated by the exposure. Son William Stamps
Farish, Jr., a lieutenant in the Army Air Force, was humiliated by the
public knowledge that his father was fueling the enemy's aircraft; he
died in a training accident in Texas six months later. Note #2 Note #0
With this double death, the fortune comprising much of Standard Oil's
profits from Texas and Nazi Germany was now to be settled upon the
little four-year-old grandson, William ("Will") Stamps Farish III.
Will Farish grew up a recluse, the most secretive multimillionaire in
Texas, with investments of "that money" in a multitude of foreign
countries, and a host of exotic contacts overlapping the intelligence
and financial worlds-The Bush-Farish axis started George Bush's
career. After his 1948 graduation from Yale (and the Skull and Bones secret society), George Bush flew down to Texas on a corporate jet
and was employed by his father's Dresser Industries. In a couple of years
he got help from his uncle, George Walker, Jr., and Farish's banker
friends, to set him up in the oil property speculation business. Soon
thereafter, George Bush founded the Zapata Oil Company, which put oil
drilling rigs into certain locations of great strategic interest.
Twenty-five-year-old Will Farish was personal aide to Zapata chairman
George Bush in Bush's unsuccessful 1964 campaign for Senate. Farish
used "that Auschwitz money" to back George Bush financially, investing in Zapata. When Bush was elected to Congress in 1966, Farish joined the Zapata Note #2 Note #1

When George Bush became U.S. vice president in 1980, the Farish and
Bush family fortunes were again completely, secretly commingled. As
we shall see, the old projects were now being revived on a breathtaking scale."

See also:
http://mercury.spaceports.com/~persewen/bush_video.htm http://www.keeneland.com/library/milestones.html
"1997 Former President George Bush attended the races as the guest of
W.S. Farish"
http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/papers/1991/91122702.html
"Remarks to the Bee County Community, Beeville, Texas" Note: The
President (George Herbert Walker Bush) spoke at 5:54 p.m. in the Bee
County Rodeo Arena.
December 27, 1991 "And, of course, a special guest that my friend, Will Farish,is entertaining for the weekend and who is entertaining us"

[Octafish]

14. FDR was on to them, but mebbe he shoulda spilled the beans...

excerpted from the book

Trading with the Enemy

The Nazi - American Money Plot 1933-1949

by Charles Higham
Delacorte Press, 1983

EXCERPT...

To this day the bulk o~ Americans do not suspect The Fraternity. The government smothered everything, during and even (inexcusably) after the war. What would have happened if millions of American and British people, struggling with coupons and lines at the gas stations, had learned that in 1942 Standard Oil of New Jersey managers shipped the enemy's fuel through neutral Switzerland and that the enemy was shipping Allied fuel? Suppose the public had discovered that the Chase Bank in Nazi-occupied Paris after Pearl Harbor was doing millions of dollars' worth of business with the enemy with the full knowledge of the head office in Manhattan? Or that Ford trucks were being built for the German occupation troops in France with authorization from Dearborn, Michigan? Or that Colonel Sosthenes Behn, the head of the international American telephone conglomerate ITT, flew from New York to Madrid to Berne during the war to help improve Hitler's communications systems and improve the robot bombs that devastated London? Or that ITT built the Focke-Wulfs that dropped bombs on British and American troops? Or that crucial ball bearings were shipped to Nazi-associated customers in Latin America with the collusion of the vice-chairman of the U. S. War Production Board in partnership with Goring's cousin in Philadelphia when American forces were desperately short of them? Or that such arrangements were known about in Washington and either sanctioned or deliberately ignored?

For the government did sanction such dubious transactions-both before and after Pearl Harbor. A presidential edict, issued six days after December 7, 1941, actually set up the legislation whereby licensing arrangements for trading with the enemy could officially be granted. Often during the years after Pearl Harbor the government permitted such trading. For example, ITT was allowed to continue its relations with the Axis and Japan until 1945, even though that conglomerate was regarded as an official instrument of United States Intelligence. No attempt was made to prevent Ford from retaining its interests for the Germans in Occupied France, nor were the Chase Bank or the Morgan Bank expressly forbidden to keep open their branches in Occupied Paris. It is indicated that the Reichsbank and Nazi Ministry of Economics made promises to certain U.S. corporate leaders that their properties would not be injured after the Fuhrer was victorious. Thus, the bosses of the multinationals as we know them today had a six-spot on every side of the dice cube. Whichever side won the war, the powers that really ran nations would not be adversely affected.

And it is important to consider the size of American investments in Nazi Germany at the time of Pearl Harbor. These amounted to an estimated total of $475 million. Standard Oil of New Jersey had $120 million invested there; General Motors had $35 million; 111 had $30 million; and Ford had $17.5 million. Though it would have been more patriotic to have allowed Nazi Germany to confiscate these companies for the duration-to nationalize them or to absorb them into Hermann Goring's industrial empire-it was clearly more practical to insure them protection from seizure by allowing them to remain in special holding companies, the money accumulating until war's end. It is interesting that whereas there is no evidence of any serious attempt by Roosevelt to impeach the guilty in the United States, there is evidence that Hitler strove to punish certain German Fraternity associates on the grounds of treason to the Nazi state. Indeed, in the case of ITT, perhaps the most flagrant of the corporations in its outright dealings with the enemy, Hitler and his postmaster general, the venerable Wilhelm Ohnesorge, strove to impound the German end of the business. But even they were powerless in such a situation: the Gestapo leader of counterintelligence, Walter Schellenberg, was a prominent director and shareholder of ITT by arrangement with New York-and even Hitler dared not cross the Gestapo.

As for Roosevelt, the Sphinx still keeps his secrets. That supreme politician held all of the forces of collusion and betrayal in balance, publicly praising those executives whom he knew to be questionable. Before Pearl Harbor, he allowed such egregious executives as James D. Mooney of General Motors and William Rhodes Davis of the Davis Oil Company to enjoy pleasant tete-a-tetes with Hitler and Goring, while maintaining a careful record of what they were doing. During the war, J. Edgar Hoover, Adolf A. Berle, Henry Morgenthau, and Harold Ickes kept the President fully advised of all internal and external transgressions. With great skill, he never let the executives concerned know that he was on to them. By using the corporate leaders for his own war purposes as dollar-a-year men, keeping an eye on them and allowing them to indulge, under license or not, in their international tradings, he at once made winning the war a certainty and kept the public from knowing what it should not know.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Trading_Enemy_excerpts.html

[PROGRESSIVE1]

17. Prescott Bush most likely threatened FDR's life.

[Octafish]

19. The Attempted Coup Against FDR

To the rich, FDR was a traitor to his class. The gall of using US tax dollars to make life better for ALL Americans! No wonder Bush and his ilk fear the working and middle classes. They really do harbor the most un-American sentiments such as: "Things'd be a heckuvalot easier if I was dick-tater."

The Attempted Coup Against FDR

By Barbara LaMonica

The John F. Kennedy assassination represents a theme in our political history. The causes, even the inevitability, of the assassination were born out of the power struggles among the ruling elite which are consistent throughout the American story. These struggles revolve around questions of what is the proper role of government vis a vis the business community’s pursuit of its own self-interest. Is the government’s role minimal or laissez-faire? Should government only provide a stable environment of "law and order", through increased police powers, conducive to the maximization of profits and the minimization of workers wages and benefits? Or does the government have a higher purpose? Is it responsible for the common good? Is it the one entity capable of implementing justice, equality, and a partial redistribution of wealth through theregulation and taxation of corporations in order to provide a cushion against the more egregious effects of the free market? Should it ensure the worker’s share in the profits they helped to create?

At various times factions of what has become known as "corporate America" have argued over which role of government is ultimately more advantageous to their own ends. Generally speaking, banking and Wall Street favor less government. Retail, light manufacturing and small to medium size corporations are more tolerant of an activist government which might put more money in the hands of their consumers, and protect small businesses against the unfair competitive practices of larger corporations.

The stock market crash of 1929 and the ensuing Great Depression dramatically thrust the question of government’s role to the forefront of American political and corporate life. The election of Franklin Delano Roosevelt represented a revolutionary realignment of political power: the ascendancy of the Democratic party facilitated by new voting coalitions of rural south and industrialized north which dislodged the Republican Party’s nearly seventy-year dominance, signaling the abandonment of laissez-faire economics in favor of state regulation. The losers in this political process coalesced into right-wing Republicanism, and the next sixty years of American history is, in part, the story of their attempt to regain power, reinstitute Lassiez-faire policies, and dismantle the New Deal.1 I would like to suggest that the forces behind the assassination of President Kennedy were born in the furies which the Great Depression unleashed between these competing sectors of American political and economic life.

I believe that in 1934 there was a foreshadowing of the JFK assassination. A conspiracy was uncovered in which right-wing elements of big business, namely the DuPont family and the Morgan banking interests, planned to finance and arm a veteran’s army to march on the White House and hold President Roosevelt captive.2 The conspiracy was reported by two- time Congressional Medal of Honor winner Marine Corps Major General Smedley Darlington Butler. Although the House Committee to Investigate Un-American Activities found his allegations credible, it failed to call major conspirators to testify, and the Committee deleted crucial testimony from its final report to the public. The press relegated the story to the back pages, and discredited those, including Major Butler, who tried to alert the public to the threat against republican government. No prosecutions were forthcoming from the Justice Department, in part because the main witness who would have substantiated Butler’s claims died suddenly from pneumonia at the age of 37. In short, there was a cover-up, maybe worse.

CONTINUED...

http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr399-fdr.html

[Pallas180]

41. Dupont - Vietnam

The two names are synonymous with Napalm - another fortune making
war profiteering "racket". The war was fought for the off shore
oil rights, although ostensibly to stop the tide of communism in the domino theory.

Those people had one interest: to eke out enough rice from a patty field to have food for a day. Are people who dont have enough food
for a daily meal political?

But a few months after the US declared "Victory" on page 83, or 85
of the New York Times there wa a 1/4 inch paragraph " The rights to
the oil and offshore drilling have been awarded to (I think it was
Esso at the time) or it could have been Exxon.

Of course, with their special eugenics and breeding, there is currently a psychopathic Dupont himself in residence in a nuthouse...
for murder of employees - is there not ?

I suppose if we really looked into that we'd find he's not..likely
incarcerated at home or at a spa.

[Octafish]

54. The rich ARE different. Some think they're better than everybody else.

Thus, they have no compunction in letting the less-fortunate -- specifically children -- to fend for themselves. As Bush told his prof at Harvard, the poor are poor "by choice" because they are "lazy."

Gee. It's too bad everyone can't be born with a trust fund.

FWIW: Not all rich people, including the DuPonts are evil. Just enough of them to make life and democracy difficult.

As far as Vietnam goes, we were there to protect the capitalists and their property -- even if it meant killing millions of people fighting for their country's independence from the colonial powers. Odd. During WW2, Ho Chi Minh was our ally in the fight against the Japanese occupiers. Ho thought we'd actually honor the UN declaration calling for a nationwide plebiscite to determine the country's fate. Again, the capitalists won out and the end result was millions of dead, including 59,000 American service men and women, as well as a fractured America today.

So, who's side is the unelected moron on? He was pro-Vietnam war, as long as someone else was doing the dying. That's not hypocrisy. That's accessory to murder.

[Pallas180]

74. kick it.

:kick:

[Octafish]

12. Bush Family Evil Empire is very real.

Thanks for starting this thread, Pallas180! The more that gets put on the record, the better the odds more people will see things for what they are. The BFEE is real and they make money off war, slavery and penuring the planet. The NAZIs are their ideological and political soul-mates.

Timeline of Treason: The Bush Family Connection to the NAZIs

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/timeline.html

[Pallas180]

13. Cheez Octafish. I knew some of this but not all - It's worse

than anyone normal could imagine. The treason! these are crazy
people all indoctrinated in Hitler's Nazi " New Order". That's what
Hitler called it. The " New Order"

They, starting with Bush 1 stood right up in front of God and Country and kept talking about "The New World Order"

and we just don't get it.

and I guess Americans still dont get the full thing.

How could they be so indoctrinated in Nazi thinking!!

HEY DONT BUY ANY EXXON GAS. NAZI GAS.

cheezus

[Pallas180]

15. Dubya chooses Farish III as ambassador to England

There was little, if any, surprise when President(dubya) Bush chose William S. Farish (III) as ambassador to Great Britain. Farish, a millionaire horse breeder and chairman of Churchill Downs, which hosts the fabled Kentucky Derby each year, is a big Republican donor and a close family friend of the Bushes, whom he has known for more than 50 years.

[Octafish]

16. It gets worse. Guess who worked Dallas on 22 November 1963?

Poppy F-ing Bush. Here's an FBI memo from MINUTES after President Kennedy was declared dead in which Mr. George Herbert Walker Bush, president of Zapata Offshore Petroleum, fingers a young GOP right-winger named "JAMES PARROTT" as a suspect in the JFK assassination:



Then, a week later, a "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" pretty much gives his word that the anti-Castro Miami community had zero to do with the president's murder. No wonder Smriko doesn't want his Poppy's records made public.



Sorry if this is old hat to some, but for most Americans and DUers, it's probably news. The Bushes and the NAZIs arelikethis!

SOURCE:

http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

[Pallas180]

18. Yes Octa fish - Keep going

I knew about Pappy (and Nixon flew out that day too) and that Pappy
was with the CIA even then.....

but there's so much more Ididnt know ...so just keep posting it.

Hate to tell you but they have encircled the world with their governemtn...they have their men placed in every country.

That Aliyev - he's also on the Azberjain Chamber of Commerce with
Dick F. Cheney and Baker III ----now Aliyev is president of Iraq -
surpirse.

Check out Sibel Edmonds speaks Farsi

We think we broke her hints and it is all about Azberjain, the center
of the biggest oil field in the Caspian sea left in the world.....

they are a government without a state...(or you might put it that they
have accomplished their goal, Trilateral which pappy is a member ) or
they are the One World Government....the US has been the last holdout
so they CIA'd our election, so Junior could raid the treasury, return it to the oil barons and corpoations, and on top of that put us in
debt to the banks the oil barons own: WTO, G8, IMF.

We been G-8 'd

and fascisti 'd

[Octafish]

23. To the BFEE, non-WASPs are Untermenschen.

I hate these fascist bastards. Thank goodness for GOOGLE.

Does The U.S. Government Have a History Of Practicing "Mad" Science?

"You will do well to try to inoculate the Indians by means of (smallpox) blankets, as well as to try every other method that can serve to extirpate this execrable race."

- British Commander-in-chief, Lord Jeffrey Amherst, 1763


"The Puerto Ricans … are beyond doubt the dirtiest, laziest, most degenerate and thievish race of men ever inhabiting this sphere. It makes you sick to inhabit the same island with them. What the island needs is not public health work, but a tidal wave or something to totally exterminate the population. It might then be liveable. I have done my best to further the process of extermination by killing off eight and transplanting cancer into several more. The latter has not resulted in any fatalities so far…. The matter of consideration for the patients' welfare plays no role here - in fact, all physicians take delight in the abuse and torture of the unfortunate subjects."

- Cornelius Rhodes, pathologist of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Investigation, after purposely infecting Puerto Rican patients with cancer, killing thirteen. After this experiment the U.S. gov't placed Rhodes in charge of two large chemical warfare projects during the 1940s, granted him a seat on the Atomic Energy Commission, and pinned him with the Legion of Merit.


"In pursuit of evil, human ingenuity knows no limits."

- Jeanne McDermott, "The Killing Winds"

SOURCE:

http://home4.inet.tele.dk/lepan/lene/indiana/dec99.htm

[Pallas180]

26. Jesus Christ Octafish. Someone should have injected David long ago.

This is mad science. These people are no different than Hitler.

What is the origin of the name Rockefeller?

[Octafish]

39. George de Mohrenschildt was friends with Poppy and Oswald.

George de Mohrenschildt -- the late Russian emigre, "petroleum geologist," accused fascist and apparently the CIA handler of Lee Harvey Oswald -- was also on a first-name basis with one George Herbert Walker Bush. Both Oswald's and Bush's names, home and work addresses, phone numbers and other details were in de Mohrenschildt's address book, discovered after he "suicided" just hours before being visited by investigators from the US House Select Committee on Assassinations.


This website is about the most difficult thing to navigate on the Internet. It's worth the effort:

http://ciajfk.com/home4.html

if messed up, try:

http://www.ciajfk.com

[Pallas180]

43. Octa, how very strange

whenever there's an a --in---on or a suicide Pappy's name
shows up...

Lee Harvey Oswald > friend>employee of Pappy

Mohrenschildt>employee of Pappy

Hinkley>friend of Neil, dines at Pappy house> within the week attempts
to a--in--e Reagan.

Wow Pappy, sure just happens to be separated by one degree from a lot
of psychotic people..hmmmmm?

[Octafish]

53. Bush Crime Family S.O.P. — Use a Patsy

From DU Sept 2003:

Free History

Strange how history repeats itself when it comes to the Bush Organized Crime Family. This can be seen in their typical modus operandi. Whenever they need something REALLY important to happen — like a big promotion at work, say — something REALLY coincidental and violent seems to happen to just the right person (or country) at the right time. What’s ironic, the right person often seems to be a former business partner or their close relative.

First case in point, John Hinckley, A/K/A “Jody,” short for “JF: Wherever You Are Staring at Me.” A confused young man decides to win the heart of Hollywood star Jody Foster by assassinating Old Pruneface himself, Ronald Reagan just a few months after taking the oath of office in 1981. Turns out that the lone gunman du jour also was the son of a longtime family friend of the Bushes. In fact, Neil Bush had been invited to dinner at the home of Scott Hinckley, brother John Hinckley. The dinner engagement was scheduled to take place the day after John Hinckley attempted to take out Geritol Monkeyskull. Synchronistic isn’t the word when describing how the Bushes seem to do business and then turn on people who once were their friends. Describing their anguish, the Hinckley brothers’ parents later told CNN's Larry King they were casual business partners, longtime social acquaintances, and political supporters of the guy who came within an inch of going straight into the Oval Office — Vice President George Herbert Walker Bush.

Second case in point, Saddam Hussein, A/K/A “The Butcher of Union Bank of Switzerland.” For years, Iraq sided with the wrong side of the Iron Curtain. And since the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, Iraq was considered a terrorist state. Then, in the early 1980s, the country’s leader, longtime CIA stooge, Saddam Hussein, launched an invasion on neighboring Iran. All was happy in the Reagan-BUSH White House as the war between two of America’s enemies claimed more than a million lives. But, again, there was money to be made, so the White House arranged for the American taxpayers to guarantee $5 billion in loan guarantees to Saddam, using agricultural credits greased out of the country through an obscure Atlanta bank branch of an Italian national bank, the Banco Nazionale del Lavoro (BNL). The loans ostensibly were for food, but in reality were used to trade for arms, like the war chemicals Rumsfeld helped deliver. Of course, at the same time, Ollie North and the US were sending spare F-4 and Hawk missile parts to Iran in trade for hostages. Besides the millions of dead and wounded, the war ended in stalemate, but the US arms manufacturers and their salesmen in the Middle-East did all right. A few years later, a business opportunity presented itself when Kuwait started ripping off Iraqi oil by slant-drilling and Saddam went through the palace roof. Not to be calmed down, Saddam (whose name means “He Who Pushes to Oppose” in Arabic) was encouraged in 1991 by US Ambassador April Glaspie (“The US takes no position on Arab-Arab border disputes.”) to go over the line and into Kuwait. This was followed by Gulf War One to liberate the fascist Kuwaiti Oiligarchy and the rest is history leading to the mess of today. Ambassador Glaspie later testified she was ordered to say so by the State Department, which of course, operated under the direction of President George Herbert Walker Bush.

Third case in point, Manuel Noriega, A/K/A “Pineapple Face.” For years, as second banana, Manny collected payola from the CIA to watch over his boss, Trujillo. The US was worried they would steal the Panama Canal, publicly, but wanted to know where all the drug money was going, secretly. So, like any good capitalist, Manny took advantage of his situation and put some sand in Trujillo’s aviation fuel and became the new supreme leader. Of course, he also played all sides against the others and got very rich in the process, using the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) to handle the proceeds from the CIA and the drug runners. Interesting bank of great importance to the Bush Organized Crime Family and all its connections the late Danny Casolaro called “The Octopus.” BCCI was the bank that tied Middle East oil money investors, the Bush Organized Crime Family Trifecta of Trifectas, international drug running and money laundering, international terrorism from Abu Nidhal to Ollie North, the KGB and the CIA, and of course Manuel Noriega. All was well and good until Manny opened his yap and said that he’d never be indicted by the US, because he had the goods on his good friend and business partner, US Vice President George Herbert Walker Bush.

Fourth case in point, Osama bin Laden, A/K/A “The Black Sheep.” For years, the Bush Family was close business partners with the House of bin Laden. It was a natural fit — all that oil money to burn, all those American weapons to buy. Klayman of Judicial Watch claims the Bushes stay over at the bin Ladens’ house when in the Kingdom. As they own the largest construction company in the whole Middle East, it’s a good bet the place has good central A/C. All was well until the Soviets decided to liberate Afghanistan. So throughout the 1980s, son Osama bin Laden, recruited by the CIA, took the lead of a faction fighting the Soviet occupation. Of course, no one knew what to do when they won and suddenly there were all these trained well-armed and fanatically angry religious militants after peace broke out, but hey, someone will figure out something. First, there was money to be made in West Texas and George W Bush needed some seed money and nose candy allowance. James R Bath, Bush TANG buddy became the official business rep for the bin Laden family in the entire US. He invested bin Laden cash in Arbusto Oil and HARKEN Energy and wherever else W needed some grease. Things went well, all in all. And then came 9-11 and Osama became Public Enemy Number One, at the behest of now (p)Resident George Walker Bush.

Now, is the pattern clear? For the denser DU trolls, allow me: The Bush Organized Crime Family — the very axis of American history embodying NAZIs, the Mafia, the CIA, anti-Castro Cubans, pro-Shah Iranians, anti-Communists the world over — makes friends with someone of use and then uses them for their nefarious purposes. After they’re done using up whatever talents, skills, or cash their chums once presented, they dispose of, er, liquidate their former friends and business partners and that’s that. I hope this makes DUers wonder about what the future holds for them under the leadership of current Bush front-man, the Little Turd from Crawford. Remember, to the Bushes, dead men tell no tales.

BTW: This little essay doesn’t even consider all the other scandals, rip-offs, strange and convenient deaths and political intrigues that the brave call Treason. Those are the subjects of another post.

Oh yeah. There’s another important historical precedent to consider when it comes to Funny Things Bush. Somebody went to great lengths at great expense to make Lee Harvey Oswald out as the patsy on November 22, 1963. Covering it up for years wasn’t cheap or easy, either. The former Marine was family, too. CIA and FBI. His name and contact info were in the late George de Mohrenschildt’s address book, along with that of George Herbert Walker Bush “Poppy.”



The Supreme Leader at play.

SOURCES:

John Hinckley, Taxi Driver

http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/HINCKLEY.html

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/6-19-03/discussion.cgi.66.html

http://www.nathanielblumberg.com/neil.htm


Saddam Hussein Love Story

http://www.fair.org/extra/9505/iraqgate.html

http://www.gulfweb.org/doc_show.cfm?ID=527

http://www.cjr.org/year/93/2/iraqgate.asp

http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/congress/1992/h920519l.htm

http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/kissingeriraq.htm

http://www.paranormalnews.com/textfiles/conspiracies/BNL_IraqGate_Scandal.txt


Manuel Noriega Had a Coke Smile

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~lormand/poli/soa/panama.htm

http://law.about.com/library/911/blnational.htm

http://www.conspire.com/drugscia2.html

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/dictators/manuel-noriega/


Osama bin Laden Been Missing

http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/VISIE/carlyle-bush-osb.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/[e-mail]/msg27013.html

http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm


ORIGINAL THREAD (With LOTS of great REPLIES):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=273176

[Pallas180]

57. If it wasn't awful, it would be funny. Great writing Octafish-

just my sarcastic style. :)

[jackieforthedems]

20. Scary Stuff, Huh?!

Everyday, what alot of us thought was "just propaganda" is starting to look truer and more real each day.

[Pallas180]

21. it's a movie plot....a horror movie -

and our government is the bad guy.

[stavka]

24. If you believe all this - why don't you do something other than post?

If I believed some century long plot existed to shove me in an oven for money (an idea that makes no economic sense in the really scary economic world) I'd be killing people, blowing up trains and ships etc.

Granted there is a bit of spice to this hypothetical footprint, but it is all seasoning, no main course.

It gets very boring.

The progressive left understands Big Business is bad for social issues and always has.

[Pallas180]

25. I dont know

what the fuck you are talking about

The "progressive left understands..and always has"

I'm not a progressive left. I'm a plain old fashioned LIBRUL.

This is about FASCISM - NAZIS - forced labor - One World Govt and you
nor anyone who isn't part of the cabal is going to be in it.

When you have Ted Kennedy and John Lewis on "no-fly" lists issued by
our "govt" it's a very broad hint of what can be done to any congress person who speaks out. Just as Hitler disbanded and imprisoned the German parliament. They both have spoken out about exactly what is happening.



I suggest you read from the beginning and dont skip to the last posts.






ai yi yi, chihuahua, this lil yappy doggy follows me wher'er I go.

[Pallas180]

27. I am doing something Stavka..I'm trying to inform people

like you - so that they wont blindly go along.

You want to do some damage? Then I should tell you I've seen close
up the weapons and martial law in Savannah this year.

And perhaps you dont know that "concentration campe" under FEMA have
been built in this country within the last 3 1/2 years.

I wouldn't be so loose with words written or spoken, if I were you,.










ai yi yi, chihuahua, this lil yappy doggy follows me wher'er I go.

[stavka]

29. Given I'm posting on the most OBVIOUS SITE in the world for decent

I'm not that worried about it.... given that, by definition, you are too - I wouldn't loose much sleep about it either....


"I wouldn't be so loose with words written or spoken, if I were you,"

PS. I have yet to find a FEMA built concentration camp - in fact, I'm still looking for all those battalions of VC that were supposed to be in Canada according to the speakers in the Michael Moore narrated movie "Blood in the Face"

I'll make a deal with all DU posters - find a FEMA camp and I'll release either the location of a black helicopter, a Viet Cong battalion base site, or give you 30 tin-foil hats (coffee grounds included)

[Pallas180]

30. Stavka, my conversation

with you is finished.

It appears your tin foil hat from the Clinton Free Republic threads
is screwed on too tight.

Don;t waste my time.

[stavka]

28. Ok...

There is no one world government...why else would the dollar sucketh so mucheth against the Euro and make it even more attractive to travel to India.

Why would the one world government allow September 11th attacks - that fucked the world economy

Ted Kennedy was on the no fly list, because some who had access to the adding names profile didn't like him much, and I am sure there are millions who fit that profile.....

Paranoia is wasted energy.....

Doing something practical, or realizing you've waited too long and then doing something practical really is the only thing that matters.....

Or maybe I'm part of the "Cabal" - in which case ignore everything after "government" and try to keep you assets in order, it is so hard for the "Bureau of Re-Acquisition" to sort out after the previous owner has been relocated.

[LibertyorDeath]

32. FYI Pallas180 is one of the best contributors at the DU IMO

If you disagree with his info or thoughts fine

but when you post Shit as a respone "It gets very boring."

you are talking out your Ass.

[Pallas180]

33. Why LIB, big smile, thanks for the compliment - much appreciated and

go on over and read "Sibel speaks Farsi" thread.

We got it solved...and writing paper on it.

Did you read American Judas by RobertPaulsen over on Editorials --
it's about how Pakistani Khan got the nukes.

But the Sibel thread is hot.

gosh, ya made me feel good.

Thanks again LibertyorDeath :)







ai yi yi, chihuahua, this lil yappy doggy follows me wher'er I go.

[LibertyorDeath]

37. You're more than welcome Pallas180. The more I read about the BFEE

and all the connections that run to them and from them the more I
realize that Hitler may have died but Nazism & Mussolini style Fascism is
alive and well all be it more sophisticated & discreet but it is there as strong as an undertow and constant as a heart beat History is full of examples of Mans evil towards Man thousands of years of it & despite the facade of civility in everyday Modern life nothing has really changed.

Nothing.....

It's so frustrating sometimes because so many people refuse to believe
the scope, depth & vileness of the corruption that is out there just below the surface. It's like a MEGA dysfunctional Family only on a World wide societal scale.
It's just so staggering the complexity of the interconnectedness of these people, groups & companies (corporations) makes it difficult to get a clear view of the depravity they sow.

Been so busy have not had a chance to read either of the posts you mentioned.

Off to read now.

Cheers :)

[Pallas180]

40. LIB - well said. You should start a thread with that title

Hitler died but Nazism & Mussoini Fascism Is Alive & Well -

and then we can put scads of info we've found under that thread.


This well written paragraph says it all - almost.

"The more I read about the BFEE and all the connections that run to them and from them the more I realize that Hitler may have died but Nazism & Mussolini style Fascism is alive and well all be it more sophisticated & discreet but it is there as strong as an undertow and constant as a heart beat History is full of examples of Mans evil towards Man thousands of years of it & despite the facade of civility in everyday Modern life nothing has really changed.

Nothing....."

Thank you LibertyorDeath.

[Pallas180]

51. LIB

keep this kicked if you can -- front page - people will get educated
to what the heck is going on.

[BeHereNow]

45. I second that LorD

I ALWAYS read Pallas180's posts.
Things that matter are not the usual
focus of DU, so it is a breath of fresh air
to find the posts about what does matter.
Abortion rights, gay marriages, and Kobe Bryant
are not what matters- the future these fuckers
have planned for us is extremely important to comprehend.
The rest is just smoke and mirrors to distract us from
the fact that it is the end of the world as we know it.
Whether you are having abortions or gay is really
going to seem like having a splinter in ten years.
Completely irrelevant to the big picture.
BHN

[LibertyorDeath]

58. Yes they are busy laying the foundation for a Fascist America

Bush* is their test case imo install him via (SCOTUS) run him up the flag pole see what happens push all the limits see how much abuse the public will take without having to use actual force.

The Media, Fear & the law are their tools at present but at some point this will not be enough & that's when it will all comes clear to even the most ardent doubters.

[Pallas180]

60. I agree LIBor

No one knew about the massive armed force in Savannah this summer 60
miles from G-8. Martial Law lockdown. For some reason, our bought and paid for media didn't show any of it outside of the immediate areas. No tv coverage, no newspaper coverage except in Savannah.

There was ver little visual coverage of the gestapo in MIami where they did use force on young and old citizens, and bloodied quite a
few, who were not doing anything except standing in protest.

If there are problems in New York, the country will see the force they
are using..They have been using it right along...the media just has
not been televising or reporting cages, pens, tanks, humvees, barbed wire, full armor....

[Pallas180]

79. thank you be here now. It's like you want to

SCREAM - wake up America !

[shraby]

59. Read the research on the Plame threads,

the Sibel Edmonds thread and the Porter Goss thread, and this one. Liberal left or liberal right, there is evil amongst us in the name of Bush.

[Pallas180]

61. Hey, Hi Shraby - How about

linking the threads that you want them to see on a post here?

Those Plame threads were so long a lot of people didn't bother..

#20 was a waste...so prolly 17,18 or 19 would be a better link?

[gulfcoastliberal]

31. We're fucked

It's only a matter of time. Probably through a nuclear "terrorist" strike. The sheep will clamor for the wolves to guard them and the tattered remnants of our democracy will be swept aside.

I'm not gonna go down quietly. Give me liberty or give me...

[Pallas180]

34. HENRY KISSINGER ON HOW TO MANIPULATE AMERICANS' PANIC

Gulfcoast, you could be right about the sheeple, but they seem to
be wising up to all these "threats" and getting angry about being kept in a state of fear ... it may even occur to some that there was
no external terrorist like there was no WMD in Iraq...by the way
did you read the news reports of the Kuwaitis refusing to let US
army trucks through to Iraq that seemed to have WMD on them....Bwwaaaa - however, today they were showing video of soldiers
finding some bio soemthing or other...gee, I wonder if it was the
West Nile Virus that WE shipped to Saddam. Amazing what you can find
on government sites. :)


HENRY KISSINGER ON HOW TO MANIPULATE AMERICANS' PANIC



"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los

Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is

especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from

beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very

existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with

world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every

man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario,

individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee

of their well being granted to them by their world government."

Henry Kissinger, Speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992. Bilderberg

meeting.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

47. Exactly the same as the famous Goering quote on bringing people to war!

The juxtaposition of the two quotes would nicely illustrate how the US gov't has become a larger, stronger, successful Nazi country since defeating Hitler and Mussolini:

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
-Hermann Goering interviewed during the Nuremberg trials after WWII.

[Pallas180]

50. Uhmmm. Was that Goerring or Rove or the dim-son-?

All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
-Hermann Goering interviewed during the Nuremberg trials after WWII.

[Tsiyu]

38. Thanks Pallas

and a big thank you to those who added to this thread. Put together tidily, I'd say. Now if we could condense this into an e-mail length message....hmmmmm

Or should we just ask our RW associates to do a google search for Prescott Bush and ask them to tell us what they come up with?

Evil always loses in the long run. Just remember that...


:yourock:

[Pallas180]

52. How About Calling One Of These Numbers:

Here's the #'s

Capital Switch Board
[phone]

CNN
[phone]

ABC News
[phone]

United Press International
[phone]

CBS News
[phone]

FOX News
[phone]

NBC News
[phone]

MSNBC
[phone]

CNBC
[phone]

PBS
[phone]

Washington Post
[phone]

NPR
[phone]

Newsweek
[phone]

LA Times
[phone]

Time
[phone]

New York Times
[phone]

Associated Press
[phone]

USA Today
[phone]

Reuters
[phone]

Wall Street Journal
[phone]


People:

Hillary Clinton
NY office [phone]
WA office [phone]

Bob Dole
WA office [phone]

Nancy Pelosi
CA office [phone]
WA office [phone]

[BeHereNow]

42. This is why I get so ANGRY

at people using the term "conspiracy theories..."
It's only a conspiracy if it is a secret, and what these
fascists have been up to for years is DOCUMENTED.
There is no conspiracy- there is a very real PLAN.

The latest and perhaps most terrifying step is
the mandatory mental health screening.
Couple that with the PNAC referrence to
"genetic-specific" biochem weapons and
well, hell if people don't understand the
connection between the Pharma cartel and
the MIC, then I guess they are going to walk
willingly into the modern day gas chambers.

Me? I am OUT of here.

BHN

[Pallas180]

44. BEHereNow - I forgot about the "Mandatory Health Screening" that is

putting their genetic eugenic euthanizing back into action.

My gawd. They're setting up the castration, feeble minded, bad seed
eugenics AGAIN.

[BeHereNow]

46. It was my FIRST thought

When I read the press about it.
These fuckers plan to use it to eliminate
people...the same bastards that develope
bio-chemical weapons are also mixing up
prescription drugs which they plan to force
people to take.
Starting with children and teachers.
They have already gotten away with it to-
the mandatory vaccines for the military...
The small pox vaccines for first responders.
We are SO fucked.
BHN

[Pallas180]

48. BeHERE - no not yet

if we get the word out, people can refuse...they lost a lot of airforce pilots who refused the vaccines.

If we spread the word over the internet and they spread the word..
people wont allow their children to be tested or "treated"...

we're not fucked yet.

And if worse comes to worse, I think Americans should do what the Yugoslavians did....mass outside the palace and refuse to leave until
he leaves.

[Pallas180]

49. Some more lovely items on David Rockefeller's influence and

hate for the "common man" (meaning those who dont start out in life
with a million or more)

THIS IS A MUST READ -Bush-Neocons & The Nazis

© Copyright 2001-2004: Glen Yeadon The Nazi Hydra in America is copyright protected material. However, readers may freely quote the material for non commercial purposes provided they reference the source. Commercial use is banned.

-snip-

"Too many people still believe that fascism can't happen here. It is happening here today. The Gestapo is firmly in place in the form of Ashcroft's justice department. The FBI no longer serves to protect the citizens; instead it is being used to protect this regime, by such means as the gagging of Sibel Edmonds, for instance. The FBI is no longer primarily charged with criminal investigation instead its being used to enforce this regime's policies and finally the FBI, other federal law enforcement agencies and the military are illegally spying on anyone opposed to this regime. Moreover, Representative Porter Goss, Bush's choice to head the CIA has introduced legislation that would allow the CIA to conduct operations inside the United States including arbitrary arrests of American citizens."
______________________________________________________________________

http://madiaq.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/8877.php

The influence of the Chicago University on modern economics is unprecedented. Since 1969, most of the Nobel prizes in economics have been awarded to the free traders, despite the spectacular failures of laissez-faire economies.

Economists who dare publish articles opposing the thought of the Chicago University, are quickly ridiculed, their works dismissed, and their careers wrecked. All this is a testimony to the power of the Rockefeller family and its control over economy and free thought.

" Strauss remained at the Morgan-connected New School for Social Research for ten years. In 1948, he accepted a position at the Rockefeller founded University of Chicago.

Not only was Strauss a promoter of fascist ideology, but his entry into the United States and his work there through most of his life was supported financially by two of the most powerful American fascist families. While the dealings of the Rockefeller-owned Standard Oil Company with the Nazis during the war allowed the family the thin pretense that they were not personally involved, other actions by the Rockefeller family confirm their fascist ideology. It was the Rockefeller Foundation that provided funding for much of the Nazi research into eugenics, including the funding for the twin research conducted in the concentration camps by Mengele.

Strauss's connections to the neo-cons within the Bush administration are well known at this point. Numerous other neo-cons serving in the Bush administration or the American Enterprise Organization, who funded the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), were students and followers of Strauss. Not only can this be seen in their dictatorial approach but it is also visible in their strong pro-Israeli views. An interesting aspect of Strauss's tenure at the University of Chicago is that it is during his tenure that both David Rockefeller and John Ashcroft received their degrees from the University of Chicago.

The Rockefeller family played a key role not only in funding Strauss but also in destroying the economies of Third World nations. The Rockefellers have used the University of Chicago and their various family foundations to promote an economic policy of ruin. The laissez-faire economics promoted by the Chicago school has failed numerous times in the past and was one of the leading causes of the 1929 stock market crash and resulting Great Depression. Such economic policies only lead to global fascism and corporate rule, which are the prime goal of the Rockefeller family.

This is evident in David Rockefeller's support of free trade agreements, the World Trade Organization and the World Bank. These trade organization and agreements have impoverished much of the Southern Hemisphere with their draconian demands for privatization and cuts in social spending. Moreover, these trade agreements effectively reduce the government's role to that of an enforcer of corporate policies. All of these free trade agreements contain a clause setting up a tribunal comprised of corporations to settle all disputes, including claims against the government. The clause effectively bypasses the court systems in signatory countries. In effect, these clauses confer supreme sovereignty to multinational corporations who answer to no one. Under these clauses, corporations are free to claim environmental laws, labor laws and other laws are harmful to the company and cause it financial loss, which results in massive settlements against the government and in the overturning of needed laws.

One of the chief advocates of these free trade agreements is Dick Cheney, who has promised David Rockefeller that he would deliver a hemisphere trade agreement before the end of the current Bush administration.

Such unconstitutional trade agreements have become commonplace as a result of the Rockefellers' ability to control and direct economic thought in the United States. In essence, the Rockefellers maintain a monopoly on economic theory. To understand how they gained such control brings us back to the 1920s. During the 1920s, two economists rose to prominence: Ludwig von Mises, and Friedrich A. Hayek. Both were helped by Rockefeller money. Von Mises toured the United States in 1926. The tour of American Universities was sponsored by the Laura Spelman Rockefeller Foundation and was greatly successful in promoting the views of the Austrian School of Economics. Hayek tutored personally David Rockefeller in economics.

In 1950, von Hayek was brought to the United States to teach at the University of Chicago. He didn't teach economics, he was actually made a professor on the Committee on Social Thought. This was an exceptionally dangerous position for a man that held the views von Hayek did. In 1945, von Hayek's The Road to Serfdom was published. This poorly written book was an attack on the concept of the nation-state. In it, von Hayek argued that the nation-state was a hindrance to peace, and socialism led to totalitarian systems, which treated their citizens as serfs. In place of the nation-state von Hayek proposed a supra-national authority or world federation consisting of the financial elite.

This elite would then be free to rule the world according to their own interest. In 1947, von Hayek created the Mount Pelerin Society, made up of the financial elite of Europe, as a first step toward his supranational authority. In the years since, the Mount Perlin Society has been influential in creating numerous "conservative" think tanks, which promote free market economic policies for the Establishment. The society has expanded to include the following think tanks: the Heritage Foundation in 1973, the Fraser Institute in 1974, the Manhattan Institute in 1977, and the Pacific Institute for Public Policy Research in 1978.

The influence of the Chicago University on modern economics is unprecedented. Since 1969, most of the Nobel prizes in economics have been awarded to the free traders, despite the spectacular failures of laissez-faire economies.

Economists who dare publish articles opposing the thought of the Chicago University, are quickly ridiculed, their works dismissed, and their careers wrecked. All this is a testimony to the power of the Rockefeller family and its control over economy and free thought.

[BeHereNow]

55. Kickin' for the Night Crew!

For those of you just logging on tonight...
BHN

[Pallas180]

56. And another for life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness !

:bounce:

[Pallas180]

62. Skull & Bones - eugenics and breeding "the upper class"

"Occasionally conservative foundations have supported new Social Darwinist research such as Charles Murray's influential book, The Bell Curve (lavishly funded by the Bradley Foundation and the Pioneer Fund). In this way they were emulating the race research funded by the old Robber Barons and Skull and Bones crowd a century earlier, when they were infatuated with eugenics and the good breeding techniques required to reproduce the upper class. But mostly they steered clear of the old racist claims to power, and instead chose to support new fields such as "Law and Economics". According to political and economic analyst Robert Kuttner, "these ideas are reinforcing of the laissez faire ideal and thus very congenial to society's most powerful.''


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Bush_Gang/Murdocracy_RUB.html

an article naming the ultra right think tanks,the robber barons who financed them and how they got their ideology into US government.

[Nadienne]

63. Interesting... Andrew Mellon...

From http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/waryearsp2.html

"Alcoa was controlled and owned by Andrew Mellon, one of the participants in the plot against FDR..."

Wasn't Andrew Mellon the father of the trickle-down theory? Wasn't he the Secretary of the Treasury just before, or at the beginning of, the Great Depression?

[Pallas180]

65. Oh, Mellon and Richard Mellon Scaiffe -

Mellon married into the Scaiffe family , Sarah Mellon Scaiffe, who begat Richard Mellon Scaiffe - living proof that their idea of the
Aryan breed did not work

There's a Sarah Mellon Scaiffe foundation which was originally known
for aiding "birth control" a euphemism for sterilizing, racism and engineering the Aryan race for superior breeding - a lot has been scrubbed from the net - but there was connection with the original "Pioneer Fund", Olin and AEI, where Cheney is now.

Richard Mellon Scaiffe has continued his mother's interests and his
own far flung way out wild ultra right causes under the names of these
Foundations, with Newt Gingrich and influence over many media outlets.
He is best known and very much came to light as the director of the hounding and false allegations behind the slurs pointed at and attempting to remove Bill Clinton from office.

It's disgutsting. We been took . Over many years. Big Time.

OTHER LINKS ABOUT EUGENICS, LINKS TO THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT:
Religion in Politics: The Pioneer Fund
Religion in Politics: The Bell Curve
Pioneer Fund: Home Page
Pioneer Fund Website: About the Pioneer Fund (including list of directors)
The Pioneer Fund Speaks Out
S. Rosenthal: Academic Racism
Racist Science and the Pioneer Fund
Funding of Science
B.Mehler: In Genes We Trust:--When Science Bows to Racism
American Renaissance
Institute for Study of Academic Racism (Home Page)
Challenging the Racist Science of The Bell Curve
The Anti-Immigrant Backlash
ISAR: Pioneer Fund Grants
The Pionner Fund, W. Draper, and "this moment in history"
Steve Forbes and the Pioneer Fund
Jesse Helms and the Pioneer Fund
Rich Aherns and the Pioneer Fund
Fund Aids Race-Based Science and Busing Foes
Congressman Abercrombie Nails Pioneer Fund
Draper Secretly Funds Southern Segretationists
Antifa Bulleting: International Network of Fascists

[Nadienne]

67. *shudder* (n/t)

[Zan_of_Texas]

84. Mellon -- the name is on the anti-FDR coup list

A number of well-known names of families and enterprises: Mellon, DuPont, JP Morgan, Rockefeller, Pew are on the list of those who apparently plotted to overthrow FDR in 1934. DuPont "coincidentally" bought Remington, the gun company, a few months before the plot began to take shape, presumably to arm the proposed 500,000 military veterans who would compose the army to force FDR from power.

So, FDR really had his hands full, knowing that the big boys had already tried to take him out. Might have worked, except that General Smedley Butler refused to lead the army, blew the whistle on
'em instead.

Schoolchildren should be learning the name of General Butler, and streets in every town should be named after him. Instead, the history has been covered over.

[Pallas180]

69. Nadienne, amazing, Mellon and the corporations blackmailed America

in World War 2 from your link - they were pro- fascist and had business contracts with I G Farben , especially Mellon to supply aluminum I guess for airplanes, so he had a slow down strike and
didn't supply Roosevelt and America with the same products needed
for bullets and planes.....

And was never tried for sedition.

It's said that FDR intended to after the war, but didn't live long
enough...

quirk of fate. if FDR had lived, maybe all of these greedy bastards
who are again trying to turn America into a fascist country would still be in jail.

It's quite incredible.

What evil evil people. And they are in control of this country.

example of their character: Cheney.

[LibertyorDeath]

64. Kick for those who have not read the important info in this thread.

[Pallas180]

83. Thanks LIB

keep it going pls

[BeHereNow]

66. Anthony Sutton:

You know guys, our thread is missing this-
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/9-03-03/discussion.cgi.5.html

From the site owner who has provided the texts:

"Learn how the supposedly patriotic and dedicated
American capitalists funded and built both Lenin and
Hitler's war machines. If you have a grandfather who died
in WWII or Korea, or a father who was killed in Vietnam
you owe it to yourself to learn why, and find out who was
at least partially responsible, if not fully responsible for their
deaths.

America was rife with traitors then, and it is now. More
proof that only a fool trusts his government, and only a
fool trusts those NWO capitalist/communists who wallow
at the alter of mammon."
This link contains the text of two of Anthony Sutton's
research papers and is completely relevant to the rest of
our discussion...
BHN

[Pallas180]

68. "The PIONEERS" - doesn't anyone

find it a coincidence that dimson's biggest financiers -
I believe they have to give $100,000 , is called the Pioneers?

Gee. I wonder if there's any connection. ?

We could always get a list of those Pioneer contributors and
check if there are known proponents of their particular kind of
"birth control".

[Pallas180]

71. Cheezus - VIRGINIA ADMITS TO EUGENICS!-SELECTIVE BREEDING"

VIRGINIA ADMITS TO EUGENICS!

SHOCKING ADMISSION FROM VIRGINIA HOUSE OF DELEGATES

OVER "SELECTIVE BREEDING" (STERILIZATION) PROGRAM IN VIRGINIA!!

Finally a public admission and apology for what many decried as criminal and unholy before...Virginias forced sterilization of "undesirables," many of whom were minors and their qualification for sterilization being that they were simply poor.

WASHINGTON POST: Va. House Voices Regret for Eugenics
State Was Once a Leader In Forced Sterilizations
Del. Mitchell Van Yahres (D-Charlottesville) sponsored the resolution.
"Scientifically we're greatly advanced, but morally we have a problem," he
said. (Bob Brown - AP)
By Craig Timberg, Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, February 3, 2001; Page A01


RICHMOND, Feb. 2 -- The House of Delegates voted today to express regret for Virginia's policies of selective breeding during the 20th century, including the forced sterilization of 8,000 mostly poor, uneducated men and women for supposed hereditary "defects."

The 85 to 10 vote came after some of the hundreds of victims of Virginia's forced sterilizations spoke out in television and newspaper reports spotlighting the state's leading role in a movement called eugenics. It sought to use government power to breed away such chronic social problems as poverty, immorality, crime, addiction and ignorance.

The resolution, which requires the approval of the state Senate, would make Virginia the first among the 30 states that once had forced sterilization laws to formally express regret. The resolution passed today would declare "profound regret over the Commonwealth's role in the eugenics movement in this country and the incalculable human damage done in the name of eugenics.".........

.........Virginia officials and academics had a leading role in the American eugenics movement, which paralleled the Nazi drive for a super race. The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum has requested documents from Virginia as it prepares an exhibit in 2004 tentatively called "Nazi Race Science."

The eugenics movement began in the United States at the beginning of the 20th century. Indiana passed the nation's first sterilization law based on eugenics in 1907. Over the next seven decades, government hospitals sterilized 60,000 men and women. Only California, with 20,000 sterilizations, had more than Virginia.

Virginia passed its Eugenical Sterilization Act in 1924 -- which targeted "socially inadequate offspring" -- on the same day it passed the Racial Integrity Act prohibiting marriage between whites and nonwhites. Both grew out of eugenicists' drive for what they deemed a superior stock of humans.......


ALSO

"The Pioneer Fund was the primary financial sponsor of Proposition 187 on the California ballot. They have an extended legacy of sponsoring similar legislation over the past 57 years of their existence. The agenda that they are attempting to advance is one of fascism, repression and racism. Linkage of their past goals and ideals to their present visions for the future of America can go a long way toward stopping them in their tracks."

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/022.html

[bloom]

70. Ethnic Cleansing in Connecticut

(sorry if someone already posted this - thought you might be interested...)

Ethnic Cleansing in Connecticut
http://www.hartfordadvocate.com/gbase/News/content?oid=oid:32556

Our state's role in the Nazi eugenics movement

by Edwin Black - September 11, 2003
Also see cover art
PETER M. MORLOCK PHOTO ILLUSTRATION

PHOTO COURTESY MAX PLANCK GESELLSCHAFT ARCHIV

Nazi eugenicist Dr. Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer examining twins with eye color chart.
AMERICAN PHILOSOPHICAL SOCIETY PHOTO

"Some people are born to be a burden on the rest," circa 1926.
AUSCHWITZ ARCHIV

Auschwitz's murderous doctor, Josef Mengele.
Hitler and his henchmen victimized an entire continent and exterminated millions in his quest for a co-called "Master Race." But the concept of a white, blond-haired, blue-eyed master Nordic race was not Hitler's. The idea was created in the United States, and cultivated in Connecticut, two to three decades before Hitler came to power, the product of the American eugenics movement. Hartford and indeed the state of Connecticut played an important albeit unknown role in this country's campaign of ethnic cleansing. What's more, Connecticut was an important player in America's eugenic nexus with Nazi Germany.

Eugenics was the racist American pseudoscience determined to wipe away all human beings except those who conformed to a Nordic stereotype. The philosophy was enshrined into national policy by forced sterilization and segregation laws, as well as marriage restrictions enacted in 27 states. In 1909, Connecticut became the third state to adopt such laws. Ultimately, eugenics coercively sterilized some 60,000 Americans, barred the marriage of thousands, forcibly segregated thousands in "colonies," and persecuted untold numbers in ways we are just learning. In Connecticut, only some 600 were coercively sterilized, but hundreds of thousands more were slated for the surgery before the plan was abandoned.

Eugenics would have been so much bizarre parlor talk had it not been for massive financing by corporate philanthropies, specifically the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune. They were all in league with America's most respected scientists hailing from such prestigious universities as Yale, Harvard, and Princeton. These academicians faked and twisted data to serve eugenics' racist aims. Connecticut was considered both an epicenter for eugenic propaganda and a test case for ethnic cleansing.


<more>

[Pallas180]

72. 1926 - Hitler read an American book on "Ethnic Cleansing/Eugenics"

while in jail and decided that was where he got the ideology to execute his hatred on millions of people.

thanks Bloom for adding.

wait till you see the next post...familiar names in politics today
who supported or who do support this.

[Pallas180]

73. Ellis >Reagan, Jack Kemp, Steve Forbes

The Pioneer Fund is an organization that funds eugenics research (such as the Bell Curve), anti-immigration movements (such as the one in California), and other efforts to legitimatize racism. Indeed, Hitler's Nazi Germany was so impressed by one of the founders of the Pioneer Fund's research in racism and eugenics that he was offered a college degree from one of Germany's colleges. It is said that Hitler's Nuremberg Laws are, in fact, based on this Pioneer Fund's co-founder's research and writings.

Of important significance is the amount of influence the Pioneer Fund has exerted over America's rightwing politics.

The Director of the Pioneer Fund (19973-1977), Thomas F. Ellis, was the NC State Chairman of the Reagan 1976 presidential campaign,

National Co-Chairman to the 1988 Jack Kemp presidential campaign, and advisor tot he 1996 Steve Forbes presidential campaign

Ellis' in addition has many links to the radical religious right.


The Pioneer Fund Director for 1974-1975, Eugenie Mary Ladenburg Davie, was a member of the Republican National Finance Committee.

Marion A. Parrott, Director of the Pioneer Fund in 1973, was a representative and chairman of th Committee on Constitutional Amendments, NC General Assembly.

Jesse Helms, in addition, has strong connections to the Pioneer Fund.

One of the Pioneer Fund's co-founders secretly funded southern anti-desegregation efforts in the South.

[Swamp Rat]

88. I saw him speak on BookTV - CSPAN last year.

I suggest DUers check out the BookTV archive:
http://www.booktv.org/misc/southernbook_101203.asp

Here's his website with other interviews and links:
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/interviews.php

[Eloriel]

75. Needs a good

swift:

:kick:

[Pallas180]

77. Thanks Eloriel

could you believe the horror of these people?

[Zan_of_Texas]

85. Hi Eloriel!

Double kick.

:kick: :kick:

Great stuff! Terrible stuff!

[starroute]

76. Handy list of the fascist right in America today

I found this while Googling for Bob Perry, the wealthy Texas businessman who funded the swiftboat liars. It's apparently the site of a fervently Christian group which despises the Religious Right and is dedicated to exposing the membership of a secretive organization called The Council for National Policy.

Here's the link to the "P" page which includes Perry's name. From there, you can get to the other member list pages as well as to the general overview page (which is full of New Testament quotes demonstrating why these people are evil.)

http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.pe-q.htm#perry

The site itself says that the group maintains a low profile and that "One of the conditions of membership is not to reveal the names of other members or the substance of the group's meetings." Because of this, I don't know whether the membership list it presents is completely reliable or not. But in either case, it's as complete a set of thumbnail sketches of the luminaries of the extreme right as you're likely to find. The people described, and their further connections, are enough to curl your hair.

Have fun. :evilfrown:

[Pallas180]

78. Anything with Randall Terry, AEI, Heritage, cant be good-Kemp's name

keeps turning up...

these are racist organizations.

At the end, it asks Do You Know Jesus?

I might, but they certainly don't

Interesting find Starroute.

BTW - are you an astrologer?

[wyethwire]

80. who is the GOP candidate that supports eugenics?

[Pallas180]

81. HMO's are a form of eugenics - they decide

if they will pay for the operation or treatment you need, don't they?
that's a form of eugenics.

Just like they threw poor people, literally poor, into homes for the
feebleminded because they didnt consider them "fit" and then sterilized them..because they believe "poor" is a genetic disease, ..if they decide your too old, not intelligent enough, not worthy, you dont have enough money, or not smart enough in their view...you wont get that operation or medical test or medicine you need.

Think about it.

What gopper is into eugenics? try the White House - if you read the
thread through, you'll see those "mental health" tests they plan on
giving every child (I'm not sure if it applies to every American) are
headed in the same way..

Of course, by their standards, dimson with his low IQ should have
been sterilized. And if their "higher class breeding" worked, he
never would have been born since that family has a tendency toward
psychopathic and anti-social behavior...(Iran-Contra - Sandanistas,
anyone?)

[Pallas180]

82. Just one more facet of the New World Order -

how can a few thousand do this to 300 million people.

How can they do it to a 1.5 billion like they do in the Arab
countries.

For an educated country we're pretty damned stupid to have let this happen.

Any ideas what to do about it?

[Minstrel Boy]

86. The Rockefellers, evangelicals and genocide in the Amazon

There's a hugely important, provocative and hard-to-find book (no coincidence there) titled Thy Will Be Done by Gerard Colby, which details the sordid secret history of evangelical missionaries, the CIA and leading US industrialists (chiefly the Rockefellers, and particularly Nelson). Getting those pesky indiginous people saved and off that resource rich land was in their mutual interest. And hundreds of thousands died.

Review here:

http://www.cephas-library.com/church_n_state_rockefeller_and_evangelism.html

[Pallas180]

89. Thanks Minstrel Boy - what a read. Who is Jay's father?

http://www.cephas-library.com/church_n_state_rockefelle...



"That last charge sounded particularly believable, since the authors' trip took place in the wake of recent revelations by the Church Committee of the US Senate, which investigated the activities of US intelligence agencies. It bears mentioning that Colby was by then no stranger to corporate and political intrigue. In 19 74, writing as Gerard Colby Zilg, he published Dupont: Behind the Nylon Curtain, a 600+ page tome that narrated the Dupont family's corrupt history, from its profiteering on gunpowder sales to its manufacture of ozone-depleting gases. However, don't expect to see it in bookstores. When a Dupont PR representative said the book was scurrilous and actionable, publisher Prentice Hall was intimidated into letting Dupont go out of print. (In 1984, an expanded and updated 900 page-long edition of the book was published, which included, among other things, the Dupont's little-known connection to the Nicaraguan contras. Unfortunately, it met the same fate as the previous edition.)"

"Dennett was also a veteran journalist, having recently been stationed in Beirut, where she covered the civil war then raging in Lebanon. The authors found SIL a veritable empire whose missionary activities spanned every country in the Amazon basin, with a network of bases that look more like picket-fenced American suburbia than the frontier outposts for the global economy that they actually are. SIL even has its own air force and communications system, the Jungle Aviation and Radio Service (JAARS), which permits it to act virtually independently from the governments of the countries where it operates. After years of research, Colby and Dennett found a number of irrefutable links between SIL and US counterinsurgency operations. Among these, SIL agressively denied that the native peoples of Brazil and Guatemala were being slaughtered by the military regimes of their countries; it allowed its base in the Ecuadoran Amazon to be used by Green Berets who were combing the Western Amazon for signs of armed insurgency; and it assisted the Peruvian air force, which had napalmed the Mayoruna and Campa Indians."

"If Colby and Dennett had limited themselves to just exposing SIL, Thy Will be Done would still have been a formidable journalistic achievement. But the authors went on to research the American institutions, private and governmental, that provided support for SIL's mission. These included Standard Oil of New Jersey; the Pew family, creators of the Sun Oil Company (Sunoco) and the Pew Charitable Trusts, the US Agency for International Development, and the US military through its donations of surplus military equipment. Although they could find no smoking gun directly linking the CIA to SIL, they did find several circumstantial and indirect links, such as financial support from a foundation that was later exposed as a CIA front and the fact that JAARS's top pilot, Lawrence Montgomery, was on the Agency's payroll."

[Zan_of_Texas]

90. Wow!

That is a fascinating article!

NELSON ROCKEFELLER and Evangelism in the Age of Oil
"Thy Will Be Done", The Conquest of the Amazon

by Gerard Colby with Charlotte Dennett
Harper Collins, 1995. 960 pages
reviewed by Carmelo Ruiz

http://www.cephas-library.com/
church_n_state_rockefeller_and_evangelism.html

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91. Yep. Might as well let everyone know what our upstanding citizens

have been doing for the past 75 years or so

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92. know your government. a must read

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