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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:54 PM
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John O'Neill is a liar-for-hire and an embarrassment to all Vietnam vets
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 01:56 PM by Joanne98
John O'Neill

After Kerry made a mark as an anti-war veteran in 1971, he earned a spot on Nixon's enemies list. On the Nixon tapes, White House special counsel Charles Colson can be heard assuring Nixon that "We'll keep hitting him , Mr. President." In addition to putting Kerry under FBI surveillance, Colson and Nixon recruited cleancut Vietnam vet and toe-the-line right-wing ideologue John O'Neill, who had an hour-long meeting with the President in which Nixon coached him to "Give it to him, give it to him." I've seen a picture of O'Neill and Nixon sitting in front of that White House fireplace. I suppose O'Neill saw his "Kerry character assassination" assignment from Nixon as a 33 year gig.

Although O'Neill had taken over Kerry's Swift boat command after he left Vietnam, before they met on a Dick Cavett Show debate he had never seen Kerry in person. But he despised him. He admonished Kerry everywhere for standing up against Nixon: "The President does our talking for us, as with most Americans. Mr. Kerry certainly does not."

33 years ago O'Neill wanted everyone to shut up so Richard Nixon could lay down the law, just as I'm sure he'd like to crush all dissenting voices to Bush's today. John Kerry stood up then to Nixon, and he stands up now to Bush.

According to Brinkley, O'Neill "truly believed in the U.S. incursions into Cambodia and Laos." That's pretty much all you need to know about the guy, that he would provide unwavering support for a war in Cambodia that was not only blatantly illegal, entirely secret, and abhorrently inhumane, it was also a complete tactical failure. It accomplished absolutely nothing except multiples of thousands of deaths of poor Cambodians. I can't even begin to understand somebody whose ideology is so unclean that he can see goodness in that. You could take a stroll with O'Neill and spot some dogshit and he'd try to convince you that it was a delicious green apple.

Tomorrow, I'll get a little deeper into O'Neill's ideology and the roots of his hatred for Kerry...

http://www.mattgunn.com/#swiftboat50504


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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:58 PM
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1. Just keep using the word Nixon every time you say John O'Neill!
I have a ton of research on my blog, including O'Neill's bio, his Houston Law Firm clients (George W's sister Dorie Koch), and O'Neill's contact info, and the people who fund Swiftvets:
http://www.ascrivenerslament.blogspot.com/
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:00 PM
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4. What is O'Neill's middle initial?
There seem to be a couple of John O'Neills. Which one is this?
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:05 PM
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7. John E. O'Neill
I had to look that up myself...
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:08 PM
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10. It's swift boat vets for the truth O'Neill
The one with the long history of smearing Vietnam vets. He's the one who's smeared Kerry, McCain, Cleland and now Kerry again. He's a paid GOP operative. He's a real slimeball. Don't get him confused with the FBI O'Neill. He was a hero you died in the twin towers on 9/11.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:01 PM
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5. Oh really.....
Good for you. :) I'm really , really SICK of O'Neill. He has been leeching off Kerry his entire life. It's time to bury this parasite once and for all.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 01:59 PM
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2. Roy Hoffman is a liar-for-hire and a wacked-out nutjob
Roy Hoffman

Rear Admiral Hoffman (ret.) was a Captain who headed up a Coastal Surveillance Force unit under which Kerry served. Douglas Brinkley writes about him on pages 177 and 178 in Tour of Duty:

...The new commander, hawkish Captain Roy Hoffman was ecstatic about Sealords. He knew that military reputations were made in wartime, and he was determined to make his in Vietnam. What's more, he had a genuine taste for the more unsavory aspects of warfare, and truly wanted to smoke the Viet Cong out of their tunnels, burn their jungle outposts, and annihilate them once and for all. Decades later, many Swift boat veterans under Hoffman's command would compare him with the rough-hewn colonel in the movie Apocalypse Now who boasted that he "loved the smell of napalm in the morning." In short, Captain Hoffman sought to convince his Swift boat skippers to do whatever it took to notch splashy victories in the Mekong Delta and thereby get him promoted.

Kerry would never forget how ardently Captain Hoffman lauded the exploits of one "enterprising officer" from the Danang Swift division. The officer had surprised some thirty Vietnamese who were fishing in round, floating baskets just off the shore of a peninsula in an area that was, unfortunately for them, a free fire zone. Hoffman considered it ideal military thinking that the Swift skipper had shown the presence of mind to sneak his boat in between the baskets and the shore, cutting the fisherman off from escape and then opening fire on them. All the baskets were sunk, and so were the fishermen. "Fantastic," Hoffman reportedly proclaimed upon hearing the news. Kerry himself would later hear Hoffman praise such "industriousness" at a remarkable meeting in Saigon. Clearly, the Navy had undergone a sea change. Not only were cowboy antics on the rivers of Vietnam no longer frowned upon, they were rewarded with medals.

Sounds like one hell of an American.

Months ago, Hoffman told The Boston Globe that Kerry was a problem and asked to get more specific he said:

"He was just going off on excursions that were not part of the plan at the time." But Hoffman said those problems were corrected and that he admired the gutsy way Kerry later went after the enemy.

It sounds like Hoffman values ingenuity less than gutsiness, and perhaps discretion least of all.

The other "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" point person is...

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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:00 PM
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3. FYI: my handle refers to FBI bin-Laden hunter John O'Neill, not this crank
I wish the former FBI deputy director who left the FBI and died at the WTC on 9/11 was more widely recognized than this other guy.

Maybe people who google up the name will get that story when checking up on this Kerry-basher.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:04 PM
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6. Thanks
FBI John O'Neill was a hero and this one is a maggot. Please don't confuse the two. It's insulting to FBI O'Neill's memory.
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:07 PM
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8. Thanks for posting this...
It's one of the best I've seen about "Dubya's Raiders", even though it's from May.

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:12 PM
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12. Happy to help clear things up
The "librul" media is out-to-lunch again today.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:07 PM
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9. Excellent assessment of O'Neill!
Not only did Kerry stand up Nixon, he stood up to the whole bloody war machine of the military-industrial complex. That earned young John Kerry the inimical response of that era's White House full of criminals.

John O'Neill, on the other hand, jumped in bed with the criminal cabal. His credibility is now right there with Nixon's and Kissinger's.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:11 PM
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11. John E. O'Neill is a BFEE turd since the day he met Nixon.
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 02:21 PM by Octafish
"The greatest American I ever met" is how the fool described the crook.

Lots o' links in the thread below:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2152674#2152848

Here's Nixon, Colson, Haldeman on the White House tape transcripts discussing Kerry and O'Neill:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4534613/

EDIT: link to treason.


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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:29 PM
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15. thanx Octafish
He's gone to far this time.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:20 PM
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13. John McCain calls John O'Neill's ad "dishonest and DISHONORABLE"

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/politics/9327...

Republican Sen. John McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called an ad criticizing John Kerry's military service "dishonest and dishonorable" and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well.

"It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me," McCain said in an interview with The Associated Press, referring to his bitter Republican primary fight with President Bush.

<snip>

"I wish they hadn't done it," McCain said of his former advisers. "I don't know if they knew all the facts."

Asked if the White House knew about the ad or helped find financing for it, McCain said, "I hope not, but I don't know. But I think the Bush campaign should specifically condemn the ad."

That's putting it mildly. John O'Neill's been lying his whole damn life. He's made a career out of being "dishonorable". His real problem is he's JEALOUS of John Kerry. John Kerry came back from Vietnam a real man with the courage to try to stop the war. John O'Neill came back an "Opie" boy who helped his "daddy" Nixon with his dirty tricks campaign. Some people NEVER GROW UP.

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:27 PM
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14. John Kerry's military records
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 02:28 PM by Joanne98
Military Service Awards
This file contains documents on the awarding of John Kerry's military service awards: 3 Purple Hearts, 1 Bronze Star, and 1 Silver Star.

Acceptance of Discharge Naval Reserve

Background Information

Bronze Star

Bupers Orders To Gridley

Change of Duty

DD214

DD215 (correction to DD214)

Duty Recommendation

Emergency Data

Enlistment Contract

Enlistment Photo

Fitness Reports

Honorable Discharge From Reserve

Leave Record

National Defense Service Medal

Naval Messages

Naval OCS Report

Nuclear Weapons Training Certificate

Office Order Memos

Officer Candidate Agreement

Order to Officer Candidate

Pay Entry Base Date

Personnel Casualty Report

Presidential Unit Citation

Purple Heart #1 Citation

Purple Heart #2 Citation

Purple Heart #3 Citation

Qualifications Questionnaire

Recommendations For Next

Record of Discharge

Release From Active Duty

Report of Home of Record

Request For History of Service

Request For Swiftboat Duty

Research Sheet F4-15

Reserve Office Appointment

Security Clearances

Service_Record

Servicemans Life Insurance

Silver Star

Statement of

http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 02:33 PM
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16. AWOL's military record (The Champagne Unit)
George W. Bush's Military Records
Documents Obtained by Walter Robinson, Martin Heldt and other researchers through the Freedom of Information Act:
Getting into the Guard
(doc26.gif )- Contract of Service (5/27/68)

(doc23.gif )- Penalty for bad attendance (undated)

(doc24.gif ) - Statement of intent: "Flying is lifetime goal." (undated)

Press release (3/24/1970)

Second page of the PR release (3/24/70)

1972-1973
(doc7.gif ) - First transfer request; Bush applies to transfer with the 9921st in AL, a non-flying unit (5/24/72)

(doc6.gif )- Lt. Colonel Bricken's Response from AL (5/26/72)

(doc25.gif )- TXANG Recommends approval and notification if Bush is assigned to reserves. (6/??/72)

(doc5.gif ) - Air Force HQ Denver disallows transfer (date unclear)

(grounded.gif ) - Bush's suspension from flying; "Reason for Suspension" Failure to accomplish annual medical examination." (9/29/72; confirming verbal orders of 8/1/72) (James Bath is also suspended on this same document.)

(doc2.gif ) - Bush request for temporary transfer to 187th Tac Recon Grp. in AL (Bush letter, 9/5/72)

(doc11.gif )- AL ANG HQ approval for Bush to train with the 187th. (9/15 and 9/29, 1972)

(doc4.gif ) - Annual Officer Effectiveness Report part 1..."Not Observed" in all categories. (5/2/73)

(doc9.gif ) - Annual Officer Effectiveness Report part 2..."Not Observed at this unit during the period of this report." (5/2/73)

(doc17.gif ) - Special Order from Department of the Air Force, Ellington AFB, ordering Bush to perform 9 days duty in May/June 1973. (5/1/73)

(doc12.gif )- USAF requests more information on Officer Effectiveness Report; "This Officer should have been reassigned in May 1972 since he is no longer training in his AFSC or with his unit of assignment." (6/2?/73)

(doc28.gif )- Major Martin replies; "Not rated for the period 1 May 72 through 30 Apr 73. Report not available for administrative reasons."

1972-1973 Days Credited:
As received by Marty Heldt in July 2000
As published by "George" Magazine 10/19/2000
As released by the White House in February 2004
(Boy, that document sure has gone through the wash a few times! Wonder what's on the original microfiche?)
(doc16.gif ) - 1973 days credited. (undated, unsigned)

Getting Out of the Guard
(Doc20.gif ) - Bush request for discharge from Texas Air National Guard and Transfer to inactive reserves - Bush letter (9/5/73)

(doc27.gif ) - Request Discharge recommended for approval by Col. Killian (9/6/73)

(doc10.gif ) - Chronological Listing of Service (undated; last entry 10/1/73)

(ang22.gif ) - Bush discharge papers (10/1/73)

(Doc21.gif )- Texas Air National Guard OK for transfer to inactive reserves (10/16/73)

(doc14.gif ) - "Military Biography" of George W. Bush (unsigned, undated - no mention of Alabama)

Documents Released by the White House February 10, 2004:
Jan. 6, 1973 USAF Dental Exam Record for 1st Lt. George W. Bush

Memorandum of Lt. Col. Albert C. Lloyd, Jr. (Ret.) (Analysis of Military Payroll Records for George W. Bush for service from 1972 to 1973) (undated memorandum)

USAF Reserve Personnel Record Card for 1st Lt. George W. Bush (Covers period from 27 May 1972 to 26 May 1973)

ARF 1st Statement of Points Earned by 1st Lt. George W. Bush (1972-1973)

ARF 2nd Statement of Points Earned by 1st Lt. George W. Bush (1973)

Military Payroll Records of 1st Lt. George W. Bush (1972-1973)


http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp




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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:03 PM
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17. Who the Hell is Larry Thurlow
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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-04 03:06 PM
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18. It's really a shame this slimeball had to have the same name as
the John O'Neil that died in the towers on 9/11.
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