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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:50 PM
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Tonight on 60 Minutes II - The "Left Behind" series of books, more...
(CBS) Wed., April 14 at 8 p.m. ET/PT
What could draw a crowd like this? Correspondent Morley Safer reports on the last of the "Left Behind" books -- a book that says Jesus is coming back, with a vengeance. "Glorious Appearing" is the 12th book in the "Left Behind" series, and this week, it tops the New York Times bestsellers list.

And, want to choose your baby's sex? It's possible. Correspondent Vicki Mabrey reports on a controversial procedure, originally developed to filter out genetic defects, that is now being used to help couples chose the sex of their baby. Soon doctors say we might even be able to pick our children's eye color, hair color, maybe even their intelligence level.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/05/24/60II/main48284.shtml


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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 06:51 PM
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1. Tim Lehaye - very scary
and he's got Bush's ear!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 07:03 PM
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3. Time to note the Tim LaHaye-Sun Myung Moon alliance.
Hope the fundies like being scammed by the shills.

LaHaye is just another theocratic shill serving his masters Moon and Bush.


commentary from moonwatcher:


I transcribed and offer for your perusal on the Easter Sunday a dictated letter from Tim Lahaye to Rev. Moon's top lieutenant, Bo Hi Pak, which appeared in 1986. I have also included a little background on the religious extremist, LaHaye, who may just be the perfect pawn for Moon. Given Moon's goal of driving the world theocratic, uniting the religions under his umbrella and his need for willing people to inform him, work with him, bring him credibilty while helping him drive the country right and theocratic, Lahaye has been Moon's dream come true. LaHaye and his wife have claimed that they no longer shill for Moon but they were still at into the late 90's.

In the January 1986 Mother Jones Magazine, Carolyn Weaver wrote an Article entitled "Unholy Alliance" in which she covered some of the growing ties between the Moon organization and the evangelical movement in America. If you've followed any of my writing, you know I firmly believe this is the time, starting when he was VIP guest at the Reagan Bush inaugural in 1981, when Moon got his grips in the country by manipuilating the religious conservative right. This is when Moon got his hands on the wheel of the bus, when the "new right' was financed and molded.

Here's a photo of a man selling his soul. This is St. Ronnie holding up Moon's NY paper election night 1980. This is St. Ronnie giving the right the A-Ok to work with Moon. To further cement the deal, Reagan and Bush had Moon as their VIP guest at the inaugural in 1981 and the country has been going to hell ever since. This is when Moon got his hands firmly on the wheel of the bus. IMHO.

(sorry, pic didn't scan)

Ms. Weaver was interviewing Beverly Lahaye. During the interview, Ms. Weaver's recorder ran out of tape and Ms. LaHaye's assistant fetched her another. When Weaver was writing her story and searched the tape for her interview, to her surprise contained on the tape was none other Tim LaHaye himself, in early 1985 dictating letters. One of those letters was to Bo Hi Pak, Rev. Moon's Moon's advance man. Pak arrived in the U.S. in the early 60's Moon did not arrive for good till '71. A witness testified at the congressional investigation of Moon that Pak told him over dinner in the 60's when asked what his aim was in DC, Pak said, "I must lay a firm foundation for Master by making influential political and social contacts."

Keep this line in mind...
"I must lay a firm foundation for Master by making influential political and social contacts."

You will note that in the letter we find that Pat Robertson wasn't the first religious freak to come up with the idea of praying for the demise of Supreme Court justices, in the letter Lahaye gets excited because some Justices were having "physical ailments."

Folks, this freak has been holding Moon's hand behind the scenes. LaHaye started the CNP. You getting the picture. Moon wants theocracy, Lahaye is very willing pawn. They pinned him down for 10 grand donations but Moon backing of Lahaye and his "fronts groups" is much more than that as you will see. Check out how he thanks Pak/Moon for his "help" and the gives some rather LARGE HINTS FOR CASH. What a piece of shit.

Do keep in mind, Moon is always looking for a way in...this is what he said about his media and what it is doing.

Reverend Sun Myung Moon Founder's Address
Fifteenth International Conference on the Unity of the Sciences
November 28, 1986 J. W. Marriott Hotel, Washington, D.C.

With the Washington Times as the core, we are establishing preeminence in the American print media, a field of more than 1,750 American newspapers. By doing so we can include all fields of intelligence. Today we have in this area surpassed the liberal New York Times and Washington Post, and continually gaining important confidential information not only from America but also from other governments all over the world.
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http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5601&abbr=cs_
Yet most Americans who read the "Left Behind" books strictly as entertaining works of fiction may not be aware of LaHaye's record as a key architect of the Religious Right. His millions of readers probably don't know they're buying into the paranoid worldview of a fundamentalist extremist who hates church-state separation, seeks a government-enforced "Christian nation" and who has a long track record of attacking other religions and promoting bizarre conspiracy theories. .........

In LaHaye's perfect world, voucher subsidies for private religious education are freely available. Public schools are turned into centers for fundamentalist indoctrination with daily prayer, promotion of the Ten Commandments and creationism firmly ensconced. The Department of Education has been abolished, and teenagers are given no sex education at school. Instead, children are taught revisionist history about how the United States was founded to be a "Christian nation." ..........

Humanist leaders in the United States are alternately amused and horrified by LaHaye's smear campaign against them. "Tim LaHaye blames secular humanists for everything from communism to bad breath," Edward M. Buckner, executive director of the Council for Secular Humanism in Amherst, N.Y., told Church & State. "LaHaye's paranoid ravings and conspiracy theories about humanists running the world would be amusing but for one thing: He is stirring up hatred against an entire class of people based on their belief system and worldview. That's not funny." .........

When he joined the Kemp team, opponents of the Religious Right began digging into his past and soon uncovered a litany of intolerant statements. Four days after signing on to the campaign, LaHaye was forced to resign after information came to light noting that LaHaye had called Roman Catholicism "a false religion" and had on one occasion asserted that the Jews were responsible for Jesus' death.

More damaging revelations soon leaked out. It came to light that LaHaye's church in San Diego throughout the 1970s had sponsored an anti-Catholic group called Mission to Catholics. One pamphlet produced by the group asserted that Pope Paul VI was the "archpriest of Satan, a deceiver, and an antichrist, who has, like Judas, gone to his own place."

Critics of LaHaye also circulated a report from 1981 recounting how LaHaye fired the principal of Scott Memorial's private school because the man was a registered Democrat who dared to take issue with his pastor's far-right political views. .........

LaHaye was also damaged by revelations that he had accepted money from the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, the controversial Korean evangelist. Bo Hi Pak, a longtime Moon operative, gave ACTV $10,000, and LaHaye subsequently agreed to serve on the board of directors of Moon's own Religious Right group, Christian Voice. LaHaye also joined the board of another Moon front, the Council for Religious Freedom (CRF), which was formed primarily as a vehicle to protest Moon's 1984 imprisonment after he was convicted of filing false tax returns and obstructing justice.

The LaHaye-Moon tie was laid bare after a fawning letter surfaced that LaHaye had penned to Pak thanking him for the $10,000. LaHaye resigned from the Christian Voice and CRF boards and tried to distance himself from Moon, but the damage was done. The puritanical LaHaye, who never hesitated to blast anyone whose Christian beliefs were not as narrow as his own, was unable to explain his relationship with Moon a man who holds unorthodox theological views that fall far outside the mainstream of Christianity and has a habit of stating that he is a messiah sent to complete the failed mission of Jesus. (Despite the flap, LaHaye never did sever all ties to Moon. Beverly LaHaye spoke at a Moon event in Washington, D.C., as recently as 1996.) .......

In The Battle for the Mind, LaHaye asserts that since World War II, most members of the House of Representatives, Senate, presidential cabinets and the State Department have secretly been humanists who have labored to disarm the nation and deliver it up to the Soviets.

In 1985, LaHaye sparked controversy when he issued a newsletter to ACTV supporters calling on them to pray that God would engineer "the removal (by any means God sees fit) of at least three Supreme Court members while Ronald Reagan is president." The newsletter attacked the "aged flaming liberals of the Supreme Court" whom he said had handed down "disastrous" decisions on abortion and school prayer.
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http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/132/34.0.html
(This article originally appeared in the September 7, 1984, issue of Christianity Today.)
CT Classic: With Their Leader in Prison, Moonies Pursue Legitimacy
Tim LaHaye and other Christians are helping the Unification Church battle the perceived threat of government intrusion.
....
The sponsors view Moon as a persecuted ally in an escalating battle against secular humanism and government intrusion into church ministries. "One person's religious freedom equates to everyone's religious freedom," LaHaye says. "If one person's freedom is robbed, then potentially anyone's religious freedom can be robbed." Whether Moon is a victim of persecution or a felon is a matter of considerable debate. There is little doubt, however, that the entire affair is a public relations bonanza for his church. ..........

But a number of pastors are wary of the Moonies' motives. Darrel Malcom, senior pastor of Webber Street Church of Christ in Urbana, Illinois, accepted an offer for an expense-paid trip to Washington, D.C., to attend the massive "Pageant for Religious Freedom" on July 25. He learned of the event from two Unification Church members in Urbana. Their involvement gave him pause, but he says he accepted their invitation because he respects LaHaye. LaHaye is cochairman of the Coalition on Religious Freedom, the group that sponsored the event. Malcom says he enjoyed the lavish production, but returned home feeling "a little bit used." ..........

Lori Antolock, deputy assistant to Moon's top aide, says half of the several thousand pastors who attended the Washington rally were offered expense paid trips. She says the pageant cost at least $250,000, a substantial portion of which was donated by the Unification Church. Neither Antolock nor Garratt would specify the amount. LaHaye says he does not know who paid for ministers to attend, adding, "I had nothing to do with the financing of (the rally).

"By no stretch of the imagination does my participation in that rally indicate that I support Reverend Moon's doctrine," LaHaye says. "Frankly, I don't really know what his doctrine is. But in America, Reverend Moon and (Nebraska pastor) Reverend Sileven and every other religious organization ought to have the freedom to communicate their doctrine within the framework of the law. ..........

The case brought into sharp focus a central question about the Unification Church's primary reason for being. Critics perceive the organization as more of a multinational corporation than a church, pointing out that Moon operates three daily newspapers and hundreds of secular business enterprises. ........
Its march toward acceptability could signal some profound realignments. "I'm not concerned about the Unification Church advancing its cause here in America, because I'm convinced there are so many people being freed by the truth of the gospel," says LaHaye. "What I'm concerned about is the spread of religious persecution that will lead to a totalitarian state where we will lose religious freedom."
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http://www.rense.com/general20/unholy.htm
Coalition For Religious Freedom (CRF)
Another past Moon organization was the 'Coalition for Religious Freedom' where again, Tim LaHaye held a paid position as Chairman. It was formed by LaHaye after Moon was arrested for tax evasion. Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Swaggart, James Robison, James Kennedy and Rex Humbard, have all served as executive committee members. Other notables to serve in Moons CRF include Hal Lindsey (Author of "The Late Great Planet Earth"), Paul Crouch (Head of the Trinity Broadcasting Network), Dr. D. James Kennedy and Don Wildman to name a few.

CRF President Don Sills admits that CRF has received no less than $500,000 from Moon sources. In 1984, despite forces in government opposing the move, Moon was jailed for tax evasion (sentenced to 18 Months in prison and fined $25,000). In a CRF sponsored rally Tim Lahaye asked that people go to jail with Moon in protest.
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Scroll down here for a pdf of the Congressional Investigation of Moon (170 kb)
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/m/moonies /
Finding #3: Among the goals of the Moon Organization is the establishment of a worldwide government in which the separation of church and state would be abolished and which Moon and his followers would govern.
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http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif112.html
Pak cultivated the friendship of an airline pilot, Robert Roland, and his wife, but did not tell them of his association with Moon. Boettcher learned that when Roland asked about Pak's duties as assistant military attache, Pak said he "was responsible for liaison between South Koreans and American intelligence agencies, which often required his visiting the super-secret National Security Agency (NSA) located at Fort Meade, Maryland."
Roland said that after dinner one evening, Pak revealed "step by step how the destiny of mankind was in the hands of a Korean named Moon." When Roland asked what his aim was in Washington, Pak said, "I must lay a firm foundation for Master by making influential political and social contacts."
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http://www.geocities.com/craigmaxim/w-1c.html
ALBANY, N.Y., Oct. 29 (1976) (UPI) - The Korean Cultural and Freedom Foundation , with offices in Washington and Seoul, was charged with violations of New York's laws on charitable fundraising today, the state Board of Social Welfare announced.
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New York Times
Saturday, October 30, 1976
During the mid-1960's, Mr. Pak told a one-time family friend of his plans for the foundation. The friend, Robert W. Roland, a former airline pilot, said in Congressional testimony last year that Mr. Pak described it as a front organization, and that it would be used to gain influence from wealthy people, and Government officials.
Mr. Roland, testifying under oath, said "Pak indicated that his primary aim was to establish influential contacts with the Government and social elite of the nation's capital." He also testified that Mr. Pak "talked very clearly about using it as a fundraising organization for the Moon organization."
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http://www.endtimesnetwork.com/oldnews/oalli.html
Ron Godwin, the former second in command to Jerry Falwell in the Moral Majority now is the business manager for Moon's weekly magazine, Insight. The head of the National Religious Broadcasters, Ben Armstrong, along with TBN's Paul Crouch and Bible teacher Hal Lindsey are on the board of Moon's dominated Coalition for Religious Freedom. James Robison, Rex Humbard, and James Kennedy are also members, as is Tim LaHaye. This is to say nothing of Robert Grant, Gary Jarmin and Colonel Doner.

LaHaye's involvement with the Rev. Moon is particularly vile. In 1985 Carolyn Weaver, writing in Mother Jones Magazine, exposed the fact that LaHaye had received substantial funds from Moon's Bo Hi Pak.

She based her report on a cassette tape inadvertently provided to her by an aide to Beverly LaHaye; it was a dictation of a letter from LaHaye to his secretary to be typed and sent to Bo Hi Pak thanking him for a substantial contribution of funds (estimated by some to have been over $500,000.00). A friend of ours - well known in Christian circles - upon reading the article, phoned LaHaye to ascertain the facts. But rather than dealing with the issue - whether or not he took the money - he attacked the source, Mother Jones Magazine, as a "left-wing ragsheet."

Our friend answered, "I don't care if the source was Pravda or Izvestia (two well known Communist papers), is it true?" He angrily hung up the phone. He has since apparently denied the story, most likely compounding his error with a lie. And the fact that he continues to involve himself with Moonie front organizations tends to give credence to Carolyn Weaver - after all, there seems to be very little doubt that the voice on the tape is LaHaye's.
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Excerpt form: "Unholy Alliance" by Carolyn Weaver , Mother Jones, Jan, 1986
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A bizarre marriage is now under way in the shadows of American politics. A coy but ambitious bride is the Christian Right. The mysterious bridegroom is the Rev. Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church, an international cult with apparently unlimited means and a well developed taste for power. The peculiar alliance is blessed with Moonie money and fired by anticommunist zeal. Witnesses to the wedding may well wonder, however, what this unholy union holds for American politics. .............

To the average fundamentalist, Pak would fit the profile of the alter boy to the Antichrist. Yet the Moon empire, which he administers, is a generous supporter of many conservative crusades, and it is this generosity that apparently the Reverend LaHaye's warm, confiding letter. "Dear Bo Hi," began the Reverend Lahaye:
This letter is being written at 37,000 feet out of Chicago en route to San Francisco. Although I don't like to face this fact, I will not be home for a one month. Sometimes I think I must be mad to keep up this pace. In fact, God has convicted me about abusing my body even in a good cause like this. So I plan to turn down more speaking engagements that do not contribute to ACTV(American Coalition for Traditional Family Values) objectives and my FLS(Family Life Seminars) ministry of radio-TV specials and writing.
Bev and I are beginning to enjoy living in Washington D.C., more every day, and to my amazement it is beginning to seem like home. As soon as we get our radio time changed from 7:00 to 8:00 each night to 1:00 to 2:00 p.m. daily, we want to have and your wife over for dinner.

Bo Hi, I am encouraged! Amid the bad signs I see today, I also detect a lot of good signs. The secretary of education, Don Regan, Ed Meese, Pat Buchanan and many others. Even physical ailments to three of the 76(year old) flaming liberal Supreme Court justices. Bev was invited to the White House yesterday and was introduced to over 300 conservative leaders as "the president of the largest women's organization in America - over twice as large as NOW"... and was extended a thunderous applause. She is rather retiring by nature and was modestly embarrassed. I believe she is going to be given some unique opportunities in the future because of the growth of her organization. In fact, the conservatives at the White House are trying to get her appointed as a delegate along with Marcella(sic) Meese to the International Women's Year Conference to be held in June in Africa. That would be a golden opportunity for Bev to get better aquatinted with the new attorney generals wife and also find out what the radical left out of Moscow is planning for the women of the world in the 1990s.

On this trip, I will be going to the Holy Land with Jerry Falwell and speaking for his three-day conference on prophecy. Confidentially, during that time I am going to talk to him about 1988 and my strategy for winning the (Republican Presidential) primary. I am convinced he can beat Teddy in the general election if we could get him through the primary. I hope Pat Robertson doesn't make a play for the same thing and divide the Christian vote. I think Jerry will like my plan to recruit 435 activists, one in each congressional district, to work under our ACTV city chairman. I'll let you know what he says.

Once again, my friend, I am in your debt for your generous help to our work. You don't know how timely it was! This move and reorganization of the whole ministry to free me for more time in Washington and ACTV activities has been extremely expensive, much more so than I originally thought. But I see daylight down the road and feel it is part the Master's plan. As soon as I can afford it, I plan to hire a PR firm to give more coverage for ACTV, get our message to the people.

God Bless you! Let's plan to sit together at the first CBS shareholder's meeting when Jesse Helms makes his move to take it over.
your friend,
Tim.
  
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Amerpie Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 07:01 PM
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2. Rant - Left Behind=Right Behind
The far right, Jesus-confiscating, readers of the Left Behind apostasy money making machine are so mixed up in their love/hate Republican/Military-Industrial Complex induced realtionship with Israel that they think that Jews are Christians now evidently.

TRANSLATION - The conservative people who mix religion and politics often promote the idea that they are the only true followers of Jesus Christ and that their faith in Him is the only respected way to believe.

One characterization of that type is their devotion to the Evangelical interpretation of the book of Revelation, which I personally see as apostasy. This Evangelical belief is shared by about 40% of professed American Christians and has been a huge money maker for the authors of the Left Behind series.

The leaders of this movement include people like Pat Robertson who has made statements alluding to his belief in secret Jewish cabals while at the same time courting favor with the political leaders of Israel. Many Evangelicals also believe that the modern political state of Israel plays a major role in the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. this religious belief is now coloring American government policy like never before.

The rationale behind American support of Israel is not limited to religious reasons and for many years has been heavily promoted by US Defense companies. The majority of US aid to Israel is made in the form of weapons paid for by Americam tax dollars. The defense companies lobby constantly for continued support for Israel simply because Israel is such a huge market for their weapons.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 07:03 PM
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4. When is Woodward supposed to be on? Sunday?
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 07:09 PM
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6. Yes, that's scheduled for this Sunday.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/columnist/mediamix/2004-04-11-media-mix_x.htm
Posted 4/11/2004

(snip)

Hewitt predicts more news will be broken on Sunday, when Mike Wallace talks to Washington Post editor Bob Woodward about his book Plan of Attack, which deals with the administration's call to invade Iraq.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 07:04 PM
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5. "liberals distorted the image of Jesus"
starting now
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 07:33 PM
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8. "Wimpy Jesus"
The guy who said this looked wimpy himself. I doubt that he would survive a hand-to-hand combat.

They want to make Jesus an ayatollah. Muslims would go on their jihad screaming that the law of Mohammad is in the sword. This is the image of Jesus that these two create.

Someone should ask Bush what he thinks or, rather, what his handlers told him to think, about this new image of Jesus.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:00 PM
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11. I myself prefer Jesus with the Kung Fu grip and judo chop action.
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 08:03 PM by SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN
What a bunch of losers.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 07:19 PM
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7. These people are terrorists
They use images of terror to market to believers.

"Don't let your family members get Left Behind" they say.
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Sticky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 07:52 PM
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9. A store in Canada has stopped selling the series


Christian Bookstore Won't Stock Latest Left Behind Book

By Douglas Todd
Religion News Service


Vancouver, Apr. 7--(RNS) One of the largest Christian bookstores in Canada has refused to stock the latest book in the most popular Christian fiction series of all time, saying it promotes a dangerous worldview that exacerbates global tensions.

-snip-

Although many Christian and mainstream bookstores in Canada have begun to sell the series' final book, "Glorious Appearing," a manager at Regent College Bookstore said the Christian books "mix a dangerous theology with politics--and we don't want to sell it." Ian Panth, whose Christian bookstore is a nonprofit arm of Regent College, on the University of British Columbia campus, said Tuesday: "The book is very American-centric. It suggests the United States is successful because it has supported the state of Israel. It portrays the Antichrist as a Romanian who has risen up to take over the United Nations. It also paints the European Union as entirely demonic

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/144/story_14412_1.html
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 07:53 PM
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10. I suddenly felt an urgency to cry... millions and millions of aggressive
sheep who have access to weapons of mass destruction... that's what
America is becoming.
These people look scary, act scary, and say that liberals have created the image of a wimpy Jesus... and they say if they would get a cut they would bleed red, white, and blue. And they sell millions and millions of books, look like snake-oil salesmen...
Sorry to say, but this country is going backwards on the road towards evolution.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:01 PM
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12. NOW I UNDERSTAND BUSH*'S APPEAL: HE ACTS LIKE ONE OF THEM.
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 08:02 PM by LittleApple81
May be he will get raptured before November 2004?
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:17 PM
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13. It's a repeat.
I saw this a month ago on 60 Minutes One.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:20 PM
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14. The Catholic Church does not believe in the rapture
a little known fact. Its strictly a Protestant thing.
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