Look at This Baby... The US Hit Her Home With a Missile Last Night....

[leftchick]

Hala Saleh Mansour, 6, sits on the floor of her home which was hit by a US missile overnight in Baghdad's Shiite neighborhood of Sadr City.(AFP/Patrick Baz)

[muchacho]

1. I'm ashamed

we should all be....

[Goldmund]

9. I'm not.

I didn't fire the missile, I didn't command the troops who did, I didn't decide to send the troops in, I didn't support sending the troops in, I didn't idly sit while the troops were being sent in, I'm not idly sitting while this is going on. Really, I'm innocent.

[DenverDem]

22. You pay taxes?

If so, you buy rockets.

Protesting didn't stop the war. Not good enough.

Collective guilt is real.

[Goldmund]

24. Yes, and I drink water.

And I would kill a man who was about to kill me.

What's the alternative?

If there is no plausible alternative, then it wasn't a decision. Where there is no decision, there can be no shame.

Otherwise, I would loathe Germans because of Hitler, and for that matter, Iraqis because of Saddam.

[Djinn]

35. PLenty of people

DID loathe the Germans for a long time after WW2 - and personally anyone old enough to have done something I still have a bit of animosity for.

The Iraqi's didn't choose Saddam the comparison isn't valid

[Goldmund]

39. The people who loathed Germans...

...are chauvinists.

Germans did not choose Hitler either -- read your history about how he ascended to power.

And if you think that Iraqis not choosing Saddam makes it an invalid comparison, then you're only proving my point -- since I didn't choose Bush, or this war.

[Demonaut]

38. poor kid, how do you tell her liberation has a nose cone and a warhead?

[WillyT]

13. I'm Ashamed Too !!!

I may not have fired the missle, but it has my name on it.

This whole thing has 'Made in the USA' on it. And we are ALL paying a price for it.

FUCK!!!

:nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke:

[muchacho]

16. Right....

this is done in the name of the United States of America.

The shining light of Democracy. We are all to blame because it's done by people elected (or allowed to steal a election) by citizens.

We are obligated to all that is fair and noble to send out ts administration on their ass in 2004...for this girl, the GI's mother and the thousands around the world that said "No war".

[Minstrel Boy]

19. I'm ashamed, and I'm not even American.

I'm ashamed of the human race, that we keep doing such violence to each other, and then simply carry on as if it was meant to be. We're worse than beasts, because we should know better.

It's not just Bush, or his administration, or his army, or his nation. I'm disgusted with the whole human experiment. It's a failure. We failed. We fucked up. All this cerebral tissue, and what have we done with it?

A pity for us and the world we ever climbed down from trees. We shouldn't have stopped cracking cocoanuts and picking nits off each other.

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. Amazing she is physically ok... Can see she is not well in other ways,

though. :(

[Daisey Mae]

3. Heartbreaking

[quinnox]

4. Good to see she is ok

Any deaths of civilians are on Bush's hands, the soldiers are just following orders.

[DenverDem]

8. The soldiers are just following orders?!?!?!?

They chose to BE soldiers. They choose to kill, no matter who orders it.

They guy who pulled the trigger on that rocket launcher killed that mother and all the other collateral damage that was incurred.

Soldiers commiting war crimes are not blameless and are not heroes, even if they are Americans.

Taxpayers who fund this are also complicit in these crimes, so we all are guilty and must work to stop this horror to save our own souls.

[Hav]

10. .

Soldier may not be innocent if they commit war crimes but how many of them are there because they thought they did the right thing? And how many are there because they need money for their education? And how many need money for the education for their kids?

[DenverDem]

12. There are many ways to get money.

Choosing to kill for money was the choice they made.

If they think they are doing the right thing, then they will answer for that choice as well.

[dfong63]

23. as we thank Bush for this, let's not forget his enabler Kerry

[DenverDem]

5. In our name, with our money.

The karma each of us is building up is incalculable.

[Sophree]

11. Karma is just 3 times what you put out there.

Biblically, the bad you do will be revisited 1,000 times back on to you.

Either way, we're in for some serious backlash. And yes, we should all feel ashamed.

[DenverDem]

14. I understand the karmic math.

What we don't know and can't calculate is the level of destruction done daily in our name.

[Sophree]

17. I think it's as bad as we could possibly imagine.

"What we don't know and can't calculate is the level of destruction done daily in our name."

Especially when you factor in Depleted Uranium.

[DenverDem]

18. Depleted Uranium.

The gift that keeps on giving for generations.

Incredibly, also to our own soldiers.

What despicable, soulless liars our leaders are!

[Sophree]

20. If there are any generations left.

But why should we worry about that when there are more important things like the use of the term bitch-slap to squabble about?

:argh:

[DenverDem]

21. Gotta prioritize.

And we wonder how we got to this point.

[Avalon Sparks]

29. I agree~

The Karma debt this administration has built up is the thing that pisses me off most about them.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

6. she could be my granddaughter...i am heart sick...ashamed

why can't we imagin being in the Iraqi's shoes? what makes us blind?...never mind i know the answer...sigh

[Desertrose]

7. thank heavens she's still alive....

how many of these dear children have been killed?

How many grandparents , aunts ,uncles mothers & fathers, brothers and sisiters have we killed ...all in the name of ..................??

We should be way beyond ashamed.....way beyond...

Peace
DR

[SammyWinstonJack]

15. At the top of that "ashamed" list

should be those five individuals on the Supreme Court who voted to appoint their favorite chimp to the Office of the Presidency, because Gore would never have invaded Iraq.

[BeFree]

25. Indeed. One fatal vote

Change any one of the five democracy killing votes and we wouldn't be in this Iraquamire mess.

Gore would have never attacked the Iraqi people. Neither would Kerry. Oh, maybe the sanctions and no-fly zone would have been kept up, but invasion? Not even Clinton would have invaded.

It's a shame the way some Americans are reaching for the gun instead of their Bible. A gawd-awful shame. I am ashamed for my country as it goes about the process of inflicting destruction and death on innocent Iraqis.

Bring the troops home, now!

[Name removed]

26. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[IndianaGreen]

27. We should demand the troops be brought home NOW

and not wait until election day, or one day after inauguration day.

[LandOLincoln]

28. Uh huh. And if that doesn't happen? n/t

[LandOLincoln]

32. Okay, they deleted my original message. I have no idea why, nor

do I really care.

It was eloquent (I think), it was heartfelt, and they deleted within five minutes of my posting it. I insulted no one in particular (but a lot of people in general) and I meant every word of it.

I'm outta here.

If I could get my money back--I actually donated to DU before I donated to Clark or to Kerry--I would.

What a lot of humorless, self-important little jerks!

Oh--anybody want a couple of DU bumperstickers for free? Email me at [email protected].

See ya around.

PS: Skinner, kindly email me my original message. I want to post it on some other, more--you know--Democratic sites.

Thanks ever so.

--JE

[IndianaGreen]

33. We will demonstrate until they come home

or we drive the President that keeps them there out of office.

On edit: I didn't realize your original post was deleted when I posted this reply.

[LandOLincoln]

34. Yes, they deleted it.

May I ask, do you think that was appropriate? Were you personally offended, or did you think I made some good points? Please understand I intended no personal offense, I just wanted to make some of you think about what you're saying. Obviously this is a subject about which I'm very passionate.

And frankly, I'm so furious and so hurt by their deletion, I'm ready to ditch this board for good.

Please reassure me that you're able to take passionate (i.e. loudmouthed) but impersonal opposition without personal offense, and to reply in the same vein. I wanted very much to engage the more reasonable of you in a discussion of the issues I raised, however intemperately I may have raised those issues.

Thanks to any DUer who cares to respond thoughtfully and reasonably. I probably don't deserve it, but it would be pretty damn nice in any case.

PS: Anyone who has the original (offending) message, would you please PM it to me if you're able? I spent a fair amount of time on it, and I'm absurdly proud of it. Didn't even occur to me to save it, because it didn't occur to me that it would be deleted. Apparently it falls into one of those grey (i.e. totally discretionary) areas that are left totally up to the mods.

[IndianaGreen]

36. I thought it was tough, but I was not offended because...

I understood where you were coming from. It is difficult to differentiate between the military as an impersonal machine of war, which is often the object of our criticism, and those human beings that are serving in the military.

War is dehumanizing. Occupation of another nation is even more dehumanizing for both the occupied and the occupied. I have heard anecdotes from friends and relatives that had their sons serve with the IDF in the Occupied Territories. They all hated serving there, and some came back hating the "Arabs." Had they been given a choice, none of them would have chosen to do occupation duty. Who is at fault here? They or the politicians responsible for their mission.

The same can be said over Iraq!

It is nearly impossible to keep one's sanity when one is under the constant stress of combat, particularly in the sort of conflict that one finds in Iraq. The people that are giving you the thumbs up in the morning, are the same ones that are trying to kill you in evening. This is compounded by the brutality of war. Seeing and smelling death (which ironically I only got to experience as a civilian in another country that was undergoing a civil war), seeing your the horrific way in which bullets and rockets tear the human body to pieces, and seeing that in your friends, is a horrible burden to ask anyone to bear.

The worst thing about Iraq is that men of power lied to the troops, to the Congress, to the world, and to the American people, in order to get their war. That is probably the biggest betrayal of public trust in the history of our republic.

I ranted for too long. Did you find if anyone saved a copy of your post?

[LandOLincoln]

37. Nope, yours is the only response,

but thank you for your eloquence on the subject.

[NightTrain]

30. And I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free....

FUCK YOU, LEE GREENWOOD!!! :grr::nuke:

[mrgorth]

31. She is beautiful.