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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 10:32 PM Original message |
Even in Capitalists’ Bad Times, Europe’s Socialists Suffer |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. The center-right in Europe would be far left in the US |
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sasquatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Yeah but that would mean the media would have to lose that stupid false sense of neutrality |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. Wow! |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
4. Europe is capitalist, make no mistake. Their elite benefit from the system, just like ours do. nt |
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Alamuti Lotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
5. due entirely to their fraudulent presentation and acquiescence with the ruling order |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
6. NY Times acknowledging capitalism in trouble . . . !!! No wonder Pittsburgh!!! |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
7. Because the "third way" pseudo-socialists have no ideology. |
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edwardian (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:28 AM Response to Reply #7 |
18. European socialism |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. It doesn't matter. Czech Republic. |
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cyclezealot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:42 AM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Only in the Czech Rep..?. Is the opposition pro-active.? |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
8. Because Europe's Socialists Ceased Being Socialists |
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sasquatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. It's the DLC spread out to the rest of the europe |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. With the "center" being more to the left in Europe, you're right - exactly like that. -nt |
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tiny elvis (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. neoliberalism (dlc) |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
11. So the basic critique is... |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
12. There is a vast difference in the Right in Europe and the Right in USA |
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cyclezealot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 05:12 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Mostly agree. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:36 AM Response to Original message |
13. I expect it was the German socialist party's position on immigration that hurt them. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:50 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. I think you're right that the German left is more pro-immigration, while Merkel and the right |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
15. Here, in the USA, social democracy is a distant dream. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 01:29 AM Response to Original message |
16. i love europe -- but they are the original old whores. |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:00 AM Response to Original message |
17. The article fails to distinguish between Social Democrats and Socialists |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 04:25 AM Response to Original message |
20. the European center-right is social-democratic today |
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