Temperatures rise to 145 inside Tent City

[Ptah]

Source: The Arizona Republic



Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio took the temperature inside
one of the tents at Tent City Saturday afternoon.

The tents can sometimes mimic ovens or hot cars. The gauge in Arpaio's hand
indicated 145 degrees, nearly 30 degrees hotter than the day's high.

The sheriff said it was exceptionally hot at the outdoor jail but said there
was nothing he could do about it.

"What am I going to do, take them out of jail because it's too hot?" he said.
"Our men and women are working out here in this heat, too. Does anyone feel sorry for them?"




Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2011/07/03/20110703tent-city-temperatures-rise-145.html

[Ohio Joe]

1. Its torture but... What can I do?

What a douchebag.

[pinboy3niner]

18. Hey, what can I do? I'm only THE ONE WHO PUT THEM THERE.

There's a special circle in hell for Joe Arpaio.

[liberalmike27]

109. Arpaio

Is a torture monkey.

[roguevalley]

138. he will be sorry he mentioned that he knew this because if someone

dies he is responsible. Negligent homicide.

[Ricochet21]

2. HE should be made to live in one

It's unconstitutional

[Stuart G]

3. Cruel and unusual punishment is outlawed by the Constitution...

at least that is what it says..

[wtmusic]

6. Seems like it would be a legal slam dunk

Any judge worth his salt would force the release of the prisoners.

[pocoloco]

29. LOL

What legal force does a "god damned piece of paper have"?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

[duhneece]

30. That's what immediately came to my mind

How can humans be so cruel?

[defendandprotect]

137. +1000% -- Except where RW Supremes have undermined it -- !!

[pinto]

4. Wow. (nt)

[gateley]

5. Yesterday (on DU) was the first I'd heard about this outdoor prison -

I can't believe it's legal!

As somebody posted, if anybody dies, the sheriff should be charged with murder. I'd add those who allowed this to be in the first place. :grr:

[donheld]

139. You do know this has been going on for years don't you?

[gateley]

160. No, as I said, yesterday was the first I'd heard of it. nt

[Dappleganger]

7. How in the hell is this legal?

[JonLP24]

23. I'm not sure

but there isn't much that is legal.

Original ruling.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/10/23/20081023ruling1023.html

Judge: County failed to improve jails' medical, mental-health conditions(referring to original ruling.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/04/08/20100408maricopa-county-jail-conditions.html#ixzz1R1MXfdRP

[Ptah]

72. Those two links are essential to understanding the history of this sheriff.

:thumbsup:

[elleng]

52. Its not.

[DesertFlower]

8. what about the guards? they're in there too.

i guess joe doesn't care about them either.

[Webster Green]

9. OMG!

That is torture. How can people be so cruel? :mad:

[Ken Burch]

75. That's half the reason some folks become "law and order" types

It's not so much about stopping crime(Arpaio types don't actually care about that)as it is about getting in touch with their inner Mengele.

[Webster Green]

76. Yeah, sadistic control freaks.

Us prisons and jails generally are horrific. Nearly all are administering cruel and unusual punishment to some degree. :puke:

[jmowreader]

86. I think Arpaio wants crime to rise in Maricopa County

If he does, he seems to have gotten his wish: I read a page on the Internets (don't remember where, sorry)--an official State of Arizona page on the rate of crime increase/decrease in the state, broken down by county--that indicates crime rates are falling everywhere in Arizona except in Maricopa County.

Anyway, the reason Joe is so popular down there is because he keeps his jails full and abuses the people in them. Now...if he'd do things to cut down on crime it would make life better for Maricopa residents, but "America's Toughest Sheriff" wouldn't be tough if he did namby-pamby things like preventing crime.

(BTW, how come the current contender for America's Toughest Sheriff is always the most corrupt man in America? The last ATS, Gerald Hege, is walking around with an ankle bracelet right now, and Joe seems headed for the same fate.)

[liberalmike27]

111. Our media culture

has developed a careless, hateful population, that at the same time as they torture people in this, and in other manners, think they are all pious, religious, and are going to heaven.

[Amonester]

114. Yep. Down is up, war is peace, and the damned materialists think

they're going to a non-existent place called heaven once this life will trash them.

The $tupid$ media.

[EFerrari]

10. The DoJ needs to stop this man. Or we need to appeal to

an international human rights agency. The UN, somebody.

[Downwinder]

21. DOJ is doing their investigation as they have been for some time.

The Feds Have Evidence That Joe Arpaio Broke the Law -- When Will The Indictments Come?

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2011-05-26/news/the-feds-have-evidence-that-joe-arpaio-broke-the-law-when-will-the-indictments-come/

[Ken Burch]

80. Knowing the great moral courage the Feds show on things like this, here's when:

[russspeakeasy]

126. Hey, where did those pigs fly out of ?

[Liberty Belle]

127. Can't they seek an emergency injunction?

Nobody should have to die of heat stroke before something is done.

[me b zola]

98. I didn't read the comments b4 I wrote my response down thread

I feel the same as you on this. How can the international community continue to pretend that the US is above reproach?

[sabrina 1]

142. We need outside intervention at this point. I think this country

like so many others before it, has lost its way. We are unable to help ourselves. I don't know who can do it, but we are so far gone, when something like this doesn't cause riots in the streets, we are at the point of no return. Hopefully we will get that intervention before it is too late, if it isn't already.

[EFerrari]

146. Amnesty International deals with these cases all over the world.

Maybe we could try a writing campaign to them.

[bhikkhu]

11. Meat thermometer says: 145 degrees = "Beef, Medium Rare"

Perhaps that is unreasonably hot.

[LittleGirl]

12. what bothers me

Is that we arrest people that leave their pets in the cars and this guy gets press. And how many children have died in those hot cars? Yet, we let a law enforcement Sheriff house inmates with that heat?
How long does it take for the brain to be damaged in excessive heat?
And what if someone dies? Then what?
Will Sheriff Joe laugh about it? The criminal should have not committed the crime!! :-(

[DBoon]

55. We treat our dogs better than Arizona treats prisoners

nt

[Stuart G]

123. According to a blog at the article..someone has died there. nt.

[kentauros]

173. What little I know about heat and our brains suggests that more people may die.

I remember reading about the Crystal Cave of the Giants some years back and how the temperature is around 150F. Here's an excerpt from the photographer talking about the effects:

As a professional photographer who specializes in environmentally difficult, narrow and wet canyons worldwide, it was almost impossible to obtain clear photographs even using every trick and technique I know, because of the extreme ambient environment. These crystals are probably stable, as the temperature in the cave is over 150 degrees Fahrenheit with 100% humidity. In other words, these structures are enveloped in steam. As a photographer used to working in dark and dangerous environments, this experience was unique. A human can only function in this environment for six to ten minutes before severe loss of mental functions occurs. I was so excited while photographing the crystals that I really had to focus and concentrate intensely on getting back out the door, which was perhaps only thirty to forty feet away.

I have no idea what his medical knowledge is, but I don't doubt the effects he was experiencing. While the humidity in Arizona is at the opposite end of the spectrum, I would expect the effects on the brain to be almost the same.

[Downwinder]

13. What are the prisoners guilty of? Have they been convicted of a crime?

[JonLP24]

16. Answers

A. It is not a prison but rather a jail. An important difference.

B. Jail houses many inmates awaiting trial so yes and no.

[kestrel91316]

17. Convicted or not, it's completely inappropriate.

[Ptah]

22. From the article: Each of the 1,400 inmates in Tent City has been convicted of non-violent crimes,

Each of the 1,400 inmates in Tent City has been convicted of non-violent crimes, such as driving under the influence.

[dana_b]

44. who cares?

seriously - that has nothing to do with the sadistic and inhumane conditions that these people have to endure. Arpaio should be arrested for neglect and cruelty to those in his care and forced to endure this himself.

[Dawson Leery]

14. What is this piece of monkey s**t not in prison?

:wtf:

[kestrel91316]

15. Cruel and unusual punishment. Torture, actually. And OSHA

might be interested in his equally callous attitude toward his employees and their environmental safety.

[right2bfree]

147. Could get Arapio up on ADA charges if he puts a chronic illness patient in that heat. nt

[Faygo Kid]

19. He's Bull Connor all over again. This must stop.

He's a killer. This is not the nation I want to live in.

[locahungaria]

20. OMG!!!!

:wtf: :wow: :scared: :grr: :cry:

Has Hitler been reincarnated?

[Divine Discontent]

24. that disgusting man seems like a sadist, if you ask me...

[ooglymoogly]

25. Yeaaaah!!! The greatest country in the world

Yeaaaah!!!! the richest country in the world.

Yaaaaah!!!! the greatest democracy in the world.

Yaaaaah!!! the biggest pile of horsecrap propaganda in the world.

Lets hear it for Pug's and pug policies that brought us to this brink of reprehensibility and the label of most despicable torturing, underhanded, doubledealing insanity.

Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaah for Scalia and co.; for 0., Holder and kangaroo justice, that has turned this country into a banana republic.

We have lost it!!!

We have become insane.

[liberation]

37. Were we ever sane?

This is the country settled by people who thought disease infested blankets were the proper "thank you for saving our lives from certain death" gift. Heck, tomorrow we celebrate the founding of our country by a bunch of slave owners who wanted to be free.

In that regard our country is not different from every other nation on earth, that displays a similar level of insanity (current and past).

[Kaleko]

65. You have spelled out what people in other countries

have been thinking for a long time. It's a big step towards accurate self-assessment if you have been born in the USA.

[ooglymoogly]

104. Nonsense there are degrees of barbarity and this one is over the line by a mile.

Torture is over the line and not acceptable in a sane world.

Double standard justice is over the line in a sane world.

Sophistry will provide you with any answer you need or want so have at it.

[era veteran]

140. Too bad no one aware of how those diseases

were carried and passed along then. That blanket myth needs to be put to rest.
So does Joe.

[coalition_unwilling]

155. Don't forget the 1-2 million southeast Asians who paid with their

lives for our folly, nor the estimated 1,000,000+ Iraqis who have paid with their lives for our folly.

Wish I could 'rec your reply though. Thanks.

[comtec]

26. considering that this is supposed to be a low-security prison thats cruel!

Mind you, i have little sympathy for those who commit seriously heinous crimes. but this is a low-security prison.
the people there are not hardened criminals.

i do with that the federal system would step in, this is really unacceptable. and we call ourselves civilized?!

I admit freely, I don't object to a lot of what he does. pink underwear, chain gangs, and day-old blognia sandwiches are more psychological warfare and imho work well to prevent people from re-committing crimes.

However this is going too far.
this man needs to be arrested himself for torture, and the prisoners sent someplace fitting for their level of crime, not this hell hole.

[JonLP24]

32. The jail holds people awaiting trial

While ptah above pointed out all those in tent city are for those convicted of crimes the food applies to everyone. Chain gain does apply to those who are convicted but this may surprise you. The chain gain is for people who exhibit good behavior. You get to go outside. Those who aren't good enough for the chain gain are in their cells all day.

Plus it has all kinds of human right violations(which I linked above) as well as inmate deaths. This section has a list of the inmate deaths detailed down, just click on a name if you want to read further. http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/arpaio/

[a2liberal]

33. Wait, what?

You think it's ok to do stuff like this to heinous criminals? So are you OK with torturing known terrorists too then?

[liberation]

40. The constitution is just a piece of paper...

apparently.

:-)

[elleng]

53. and it takes people to see to it that its enforced.

Many do such.

[immoderate]

110. No. A government agency should be above the smarmy pettiness of Sheriff Joe.

What data do you have that subjecting detainees to these indignities cuts crime? You are, imho, making it up.

--imm

[WhiteTara]

27. He is a true bastard. He came without a mother.

And he should be required to sit in one of those tents.

[SoapBox]

28. If even one dies...charge Sheriff CrapHole with MURDER.

...seems clear and simple.

[duhneece]

31. Inhuman for all, but worse yet, imho are War on Drugs prisoners

Addicts, including the millions of small time dealers who are just trying to help pay for their habit, should be given treatment options or left alone if they were doing their drug of choice at home...never locked in a cage like a dangerous animal.

This is wrong, wrong, wrong.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

34. America..

shame on you for allowing this.

Here's what the British have...

http://www.nhs.uk/Pages/HomePage.aspx

I've decided to rub it in. I'm sick and tired of being told this is the greatest country in the world. I know better.

[liberalmike27]

113. I know we've got a lot of good, caring people

But as for those in charge of our country, many of them, they really do represent The Great Satan. I think those outside, looking into our country, watching what we do in the world, without the constant drone of the brainwashing media, brainwashing patriotism, manipulated minds on war without end, really have a lot better idea of what our government is like than we do internally. We've just got this pretty painted picture in our minds, painted by our parents and grandparents, and the same media that painted the picture they describe to us, about ourselves.

We've always been privateers, since our inception, pirates legal. We take what we want. That is US. Denying it is futile.

[stockholmer]

35. crime against humanity

[JamesMFellers]

36. Arpaio

Where the FUCK is Eric Holder? Where is the hope and change
President? WHERE?!?

[AlanCranston]

39. i'm going to hold a fiesta when this dude croaks n/t

[aquart]

70. Only if it's from heat stroke.

Anything else is too kind.

[rpannier]

74. When he dies the Westboro Baptists may protest his funeral

Then I will be truly torn

[primavera]

151. That makes two of us

I'm ashamed to admit it, but this sadist is so thoroughly evil, I will actually rejoice when he is no longer around to pollute the world with his existence.

[stevedeshazer]

61. Busy chasing down cancer patients who use medical marijuana is my guess.

Or blowing shit up with firecrackers to celebrate our freedom.

Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.

[whathappened]

133. you got it right

Or blowing shit up with firecrackers to celebrate our freedom.

Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints ,

good 1 , thats how i feel , feels like were gonna have to climb a mountain to get a dam drink of water and take a piss here soon

[christx30]

38. wow... what a great guy

"Our men and women are working out here in this heat, too. Does anyone feel sorry for them?"

The difference, dear Sheriff, is that your people are allowed to leave whenever they want. If they don't like the conditions, they can quit. The inmates don't have that luxury. You are Constitutionally required to make conditions livable. If an inmate dies because of the heat, then you are totally at fault. At 145 degrees you are looking at risks for heat stroke, dehydration.
How about start releasing non-violent drug offenders to make room for the rapists and murders?

[alp227]

48. yeah Arpaio can't tell the difference between Tent City/the outside world

just tryin ta make EXCUSES

[w0nderer]

130. sheriff conveniently forgets it's 145F IN the tents, 118F outside

depending on tent design there could be zero wind through too

yeah working raises temp, windflow probably lowers it

and the people outside if they are sheriff staff can probably go home after work
and spend rest of day ac'ed as well as sleep ac'ed

even counting heat index up by 15F for being in the sun
it'd be 135F ish

[pa28]

41. He's a sadist. He enjoys their suffering.

This is not about crime and punishment.

[boomerbust]

42. Remember

It's a dry heat.

[awoke_in_2003]

81. yeah, just like an oven. nt

[PSzymeczek]

105. So is

a kiln.

[rdking647]

43. if the excessive heat costs one inmate his life

sheriff joe should then be tried and convicted of murder and executed under arizona law.

[radhika]

45. He's a popular hero in parts of AZ

Torture, tents, humiliation, pink undies.....

Joe's ascendancy was an early first sign of the karmic direction of the state.

[LetTimmySmoke]

46. And the worst part is, how many of them are in there for marijuana?

[jmowreader]

89. Probably about a third

He's probably got half the place filled up with immigration violators of any stripe--illegal entry, overstayed visa, whatever.

Another third would be pot violators, which would mean 83 percent of his intake (not counting pretrial detainees) is those two classes.

The rest, I am sure, is other drug violators given >365-day sentences, felons he's holding until there's space for them at the state or federal level, and assorted low-level crimes like petit larceny and DUI.

[sweetloukillbot]

149. I think a lot of the DUIs actually get work release...

At least all of the DUIs I know did. They spend nights in Tent City for a few weeks, and maybe one day a week actually there. Dunno how it is determined whether someone actually goes in there for their full term. And to answer something upthread - there have been several deaths in Joe's jails, although I'm not sure how many were in Tent City. But the seniors in the unincorporated retirement areas love him, because he keeps the Latinos away.
I hoped he was going to go down with the investigations earlier this year, but it looks like he got a couple underlings to fall on their swords for him. Dunno if there are still pending investigations....

[JonLP24]

94. Good chance actually

Any amount of cannabis or paraphernalia is a class 6 felony in Arizona. Any amount. One seed, a plastic bag with flakes.

However, first time offenders will most likely get a plea offer where they can plead down to a class (this applies to under an ounce) 1 misdemeanor, receive unsupervised probation, and a fine they have to pay to the DEA. Even if it is a felony charge judges will most likely tend to avoid giving out jail time. However class 6 felony calls for up to 1 year imprisonment.

[BeyondGeography]

47. Antediluvian

[Ken Burch]

49. Why does anyone still vote for this bastard?

From what I hear, he hasn't even actually lowered the crime rate in the county. Maricopa County, you embarrass yourselves every time you give this guy another term.

[christx30]

54. What do you want to bet

he would even respect losing an election? I think he would try to hold onto power regardless of the results of the popular vote.
Sadists like him are addicted to power. It's really sick.

[Ken Burch]

69. You're saying he'd be willing to risk a one-county civil war?

Jesus!

...You're probably right.

[Cali_Democrat]

148. If he loses an election, he'll get a show on Fox News. n/t

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[elleng]

56. FYI,

'Each of the 1,400 inmates in Tent City has been convicted of non-violent crimes, such as driving under the influence.'

The Eighth Amendment (Amendment VIII) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights which prohibits the federal government from imposing excessive bail, excessive fines or cruel and unusual punishments. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that this amendment's Cruel and Unusual Punishment Clause applies to the states. The phrases employed originated in the English Bill of Rights of 1689.





:thumbsdown:

In Furman v. Georgia, 408 U.S. 238 (1972), Justice Brennan wrote, "There are, then, four principles by which we may determine whether a particular punishment is 'cruel and unusual'."

The "essential predicate" is "that a punishment must not by its severity be degrading to human dignity," especially torture.
"A severe punishment that is obviously inflicted in wholly arbitrary fashion."
"A severe punishment that is clearly and totally rejected throughout society."
"A severe punishment that is patently unnecessary."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

[JonLP24]

57. How do you feel about a criminal imposing these conditions?

Aside from the fact a court found many of his jail conditions unconstitutional and ordered him to change, he abused his power going after Maricopa County Board of Supervisors and other political opponents including Phil Gordon & Terry Goddard. He violated election law by running ads for his lapdog running for County Attorney & Andrew Thomas under the "Campaign to Re-Elect Joe Arpaio 2012" during the 2010 mid-terms. His office also misspent $99.5 million in taxpayer dollars.

There also the numerous settlements taxpayers had to pay for due to his irresponsible negligence.

[truth2power]

60. Good grief! And on a progressive board. n/t

[JonLP24]

62. I see Arpaio defenders all the time

I don't get it. I read about him everyday and there is always some new thing. Like appealing to McCain's bigotry by investigating every illegal immigrant he processes to see if any of them started the fire even though there is zero evidence of that.

[spotbird]

64. delete nt

[Monique1]

67. It is not prison

It is a jail for those waiting for trial.

[aquart]

71. Welcome to DU.

May your brief stay be a happy one.

[Ken Burch]

73. You don't give people heat stroke over nonviolent crimes

It would be punishment enough to have them in a normal jail.

What the hell is wrong with some people in Maricopa County?

[Divine Discontent]

84. amen...

and what the hell is wrong with people that defend it...

[Divine Discontent]

83. what an anti-human comment. are you no different than Joe Arpaio then?

"Quit breaking the law, and they might be more comfortable."

You're advocating of torture for people stealing food or gas, drinking & driving, getting into a fight at the bar, bouncing a check, etc... yes, these are all things people shouldn't do, but we have this thing called rights, and you don't torture people, or you might as well call us Iran. You clearly do not believe in progressive views about respecting life, even when the people you're incarcerating may not have.

[Webster Green]

87. Jeezus.

You suck, dude! :thumbsdown:

[Starry Messenger]

90. Hope it's you in there someday.

[coalition_unwilling]

156. While I appreciate the anger that fuels that sentiment, the point is that

no one, not even the most hardened child rapist or terrorist, should have to experience cruel and unusual punishments (aka 'torture').

[kestrel91316]

93. While the Constitution does not explicitly say the punishment should fit the crime,

it DOES explicitly prohibit "cruel and unusual punishment".

What part of torture or risking an inmate's death or permanent injury due to environmental conditions do you not understand to be disproportionate to, say, the crime of stealing something worth $50, or smoking a joint in one's own home, or whatever else these NONVIOLENT criminals have done that maybe didn't harm a soul?

[blackspade]

107. You forgot the sarcasm thingy.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

117. its a jail. Have a nice day. nt

[Frank Cannon]

128. (slap)

[Odin2005]

131. There is this thing called our constitution that bans cruel and unusual punishmnet.

Maybe you've heard of it?

[era veteran]

141. It is a jail not a prison

Judgmental much?
I am going to break a law right now that have put a lot of people in that JAIL.

[elleng]

51. Damn right take them out; its CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT.

[truth2power]

58. Please note what the effing bastard said...

"Our men and women are working out here in this heat, too. Does anyone feel sorry for them?"

First of all, the day's high, outside the tents, was approx. 115 degrees according to the article. That's bad enough but for those working outside the tents it's some relief.

If he's talking about jail staff working in the tents, they can leave (hopefully) and go where there's A/C if they become ill. Not so, the prisoners. I would think inmates would be dropping like flies from heat stroke.

Arpaio is a psychopath. A civilized community would drive him into the desert where he would eventually die of thirst. :evilfrown:

[AngryAmish]

59. Your steak is way overdone if it is 145 degrees.

He is almost sous viding fellow citizens.

[w0nderer]

134. no excuses for the sheriff

he is exposing them to a life threatening scenario/danger, yes
he's cooking them, no

http://scientopia.org/blogs/everydaybiology/2010/08/12/cooking-in-a-sauna/

basically
a steak doesn't perspire

[Ter]

145. True, but the grill/broiler/frying pan that it's on is well over 250 degrees

The meat is taken off when it reaches temps of less than 145 degrees, but it's on something a lot hotter.

[cstanleytech]

63. I wonder if the sheriff can be arrested now for endangering the life of the prisoners or

for a violation of their rights specifically the cruel and unusual clause in the constitution.

[lib2DaBone]

66. America is OK with Torture... (Enhanced interrogation)

This country is morally bankrupt. As long as Dancing with the Stars is on TV and Rush Limbaugh says it's OK.. everything is fine.

[Populist_Prole]

68. I know some RW people out in Az, and he's held in high regard by them

Goes back years, always got these stupid email forwards praising that sheriff and his methods. But you know what? These people are such hypocrites: For all their "law and order" lock 'em up and throw away the key bluster, they squeal like stuck pigs whenever they get traffic tickets or fines or various statutes are not to their advantage. Then they turn into little public defenders. What's the saying: They say a conservative is a liberal that just got mugged....but it's also true a liberal is a conservative that just got arrested.

[coalition_unwilling]

157. They always bitch and moan when minorities of any stripe are let go

"on a technicality". But as soon as they get a ticket or any type of summons, it's search for any fucking technicality they can possibly find to enlist in the cause of their "innocence" :sarcasm:

[The Wizard]

77. American exceptionalism

kind of like the master race.

[Roci]

78. It's

The sheriff who's a screw ball. If it wasn't for his crackpot idea of an outdoor jail, "His" people "who no one feels sorry for" wouldn't be out there in the first place. Arpaio created the problem, and he's blaming inmates for policy they have no voice in. What I can't figure out is why someone hasn't sued the badge off this loudmouth and his department, and his city and county, for violating the 8th Amendment.

[Iggo]

79. See but it's funny because he makes them wear pink underwear!

Hilarious!

[lib2DaBone]

82. Aren't people rising up against Ghaddfi because of his oppression?

Didn't people rise up against Saddham Hussein because of his oppression of the people?

Haven't we spent $3 Trillion dollars so far to "Save" Democracy in the Mideast?

Yet Repukes and Teabaggers are OK with this guy torturing people? I am swimming in Cognitive Dissonance... (to say the least)

[KamaAina]

85. Do they have fans down there??

Or if not, do they have wrongful death lawsuits?? :scared:

[JonLP24]

88. They do get wrongful death lawsuits

I'm not sure from heat but usually things like failure to provide adequate medical care and improper use of restraint chair.

Here is an article about the latter.
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2006-03-30/news/the-cost-of-cruelty/

[jwirr]

91. Now would be the time for a cruel and unusual punishment suit to the courts.

[tavalon]

92. People will die and then hopefully

he'll be prosecuted.

[coalition_unwilling]

158. Grammar Nazi here. Talk about your ironic mis-use of the

adverb 'hopefully' :) I hope that was deliberate on your part :)

[tavalon]

159. Educate me

I think I must have a grammatical hole. I don't doubt it but I'm teachable, really teachable.

[coalition_unwilling]

166. It's quite pedantic now and a pet peeve only of old fogies like me. But

the adverb 'hopefully' when modifying a verb means 'in a hopeful manner' (at least in the context of strict English grammar).

So your original sentence read: "People will die and then hopefully he'll be prosecuted" which, from a strictly grammatical point of view, means "People will die and then in a hopeful manner he'll be prosecuted."

However, I think what you meant to say (again from a strictly grammatical point of view) is this: "People will die and then I hope he will be prosecuted."

I say I am being highly pedantic (hence the 'Grammar Nazi' tag), though, because this grammatical mis-use of 'hopefully' illustrates how the spoken vernacular of a language can begin to diverge from the written and in the process begin to transform the grammar of the latter. Same difference now starting to apply to the distinction between 'who' and 'whom'. In other words, 'hopefully' has now started to mean "I hope" in spoken English and not, as in olden days, "in a hopeful manner."

Still, the prospect of seeing Arpaio prosecuted 'in a hopeful manner' brought a smile to my face :)

[tavalon]

167. Nope, I had been sliding into a common use, but common use doesn't always been

Appropriate use. I shall endeavor to do better. Thank for being willing to pass on your knowledge. I will attempt not to make that grammatical error again. Thank you again, for your time and willingness to teach.

[tavalon]

170. Thank you

I don't mind pedantic in small doses and with just a bit of humor. I'm more likely to remember that way.

[coalition_unwilling]

171. Tee-hee-hee. "Hopefully" sounds like fingernails scraping down

a chalkboard to me. so that's why I flag it. But it's more a sign of my own eccentricities than anything substantial :)

[Oasis_]

95. Isn't Arizona under the jurisdiction of the 9th circuit

As this is definitely a Federal case with 8th Amendment implications. Some of his tactics are harmless enough (pink jail gear, bologna sandwiches, two television channels available for viewing) but this constitutes torture.

I completely agree if any inmate dies Arpaio should be charged with Murder.

Oasis

[JonLP24]

96. I don't know any better

but is green bologna healthy? Doesn't seem like it is. I agree the TV and pink underwear(though I think his justifications for it are stupid) are harmless.

[Stuart G]

125. According to a blog at the article..someone has died there. nt.

[me b zola]

97. When the hell will the UN and human rights orgs demand US reform its prison system?

Sweet Jesus, we are "exceptional" all right.

[krispos42]

99. What is the temperature inside a regular prison cell?

I'm assuming those don't have A/C either.

[Samantha]

100. That is criminal neglect of human beings

In a heat wave in DC about a year and a few months ago, Potomac Electric lost power in thousands of homes. A 60 year old woman in Baltimore died from the heat and lack of air conditioning. People in Arizona in that outdoor prison could die as well, especially anyone older, or a person with a respiratory problem.

It is beyond my comprehension how a law enforcement officer could be so casually apathetic to their plight. I hope some of these prisoners relatives start calling the ACLU before it is too late.

Sam

[TrollBuster9090]

101. Um..isn't this exactly the kind of crap we used to criticize the Soviets and Chinese for?

And they'd respond with:

"Hey, these people are criminals. Why is your heart bleeding for a bunch of criminals?"

and

"Hey, if our guards have to GUARD them in that heat/cold, it can't be all that bad."

So, let's see. In terms of mistreatment of prisoners, and capital punishment, we're on par with the Chinese and Saudi Arabs. Congratulations.

[Frank Cannon]

150. That was back when the Soviets and Chinese were to be hated and feared...

instead of held up as an ideal model of how good little worker bees should be.

[999998th word]

102. He's not just an asshole,he's also what comes out of one.

[AsahinaKimi]

103. So if someone dies of heatstroke, well its too bad for them

What a baka yaro!

[madrchsod]

115. you are being to kind.....

i`d say by his appearence he`s a kuso debu....

google is a wonderful website...one can look up naughty words in any language....

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

172. I don't know, he looks more like a Iyana yatsu to me.

Yeah, I know... Sōgo ni haita-tekide wa nai.

(Heh. Fun.)

[begin_within]

106. He's criminally insane.

And it's a very poor reflection on Maricopa County voters that they keep re-electing him.

[LAGC]

118. The only bright spot is that his margin of victory is getting smaller and smaller...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Election_results

Give them a few more election cycles, and maybe they'll finally vote this jackass out.

[SemperEadem]

108. then you won't mind turning off the AC in your office, will you, Joe?

after all, you're only 67 degree away from boiling water, asshole.

[JNelson6563]

112. Terrible

[madrchsod]

116. he`s a hero in his county

he`s a sick fuck who would have loved being a death camp commandant in germany or russia.

in his mind he`s doing no wrong and so far no one has decided he is`t

[lutherj]

119. The highest reported temperature in Death Valley is 134 F. nt

[lutherj]

120. "Heart breaker, pain maker, I wanna tear your world apart." nt

[Historic NY]

121. If you left an animal in a car in that heat you would be guilty of cruelty.

[Taverner]

122. That fuck needs to spend his life in jail

[russspeakeasy]

124. Before I met the good Sheriff in 2008, I had the impression he was a redneck

prick...After about 4 minutes of conversation I decided he was a "racist, redneck prick".

[JAnthony]

129. "nothing he could do..."

Ignore "cruel and unusual treatment"

Republican values.

[Odin2005]

132. Fucking psychopath.

[DFW]

135. Someone is going to die in there

When that happens, Arpaio needs to be indicted for Murder One, convicted and punished accordingly.

He need not fear one thing: I will not feel sorry for him.

[defendandprotect]

136. Put the Sheriff in there and let's see what happens ... !!

[geomon666]

143. Heat stroke presents with a hyperthermia of greater than 40.6 °C (105.1 °F)

Just saying....

[classysassy]

144. Arizona

and its official are some of the worst humans on the planet,Sheriff Joe is at the top of the list.When will the federal government do its duty and indict that goon?

[avebury]

152. K&R

[deathrind]

153. Perspective...

Ten yrs ago I spent a month there for driving when i should not have. 145 is hot no doubt about it. But being inside one of the pods is much worse. There is access to running water and a day room where meals are served. I am no fan of Arpaio. He and his underlings have done very questionable things during his time as ATS... He sends his chain gangs (road clean up crews) only to places that vote, Sun City / Sun Lakes etc. But being outside is much better than being inside a 4x8 with 2-3 other people.

[JonLP24]

161. I never been

but I knew another guy from work that said the same exact thing you're saying about those pods. He emphasized how small they are.

He told me this, "I'd rather spend a year in prison than spend a month at the jail." Which is exactly what he did. He was at the jail before trial and spent a year in prison after the trial.

[coalition_unwilling]

154. Arpaio makes me ashamed to be an American - n/t

[Badsam]

162. Two things to add:

I don't live where the temperature gets that extreme,

and I dont get my self arrested.


Not feeling sorry for anybody in that whole state.

[krabigirl]

163. Wow. Just wow.

[JonLP24]

165. You know sometimes

people get arrested for crimes they didn't commit. It happens. Being in the wrong place at the wrong time kind of thing.

Here is an example of someone.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/Ray_Krone.php

Here is an example of someone who was arrested but not convicted.
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2010-07-22/news/phantom-murder-at-the-11th-hour-prosecutors-dropped-a-murder-charge-against-a-beloved-daycare-operator-leaving-the-death-of-baby-dillon-a-medical-mystery/

It nearly happened to me(long story).

[Frank Cannon]

168. What, you're back? I warned you. (slap)

[Locrian]

164. the mere fact

The fact that this simply EXISTS leaves me little hope for this fucking country....

[leveymg]

169. If he was keeping dogs under those conditions, he'd be under arrest.

Can't understand why the Justice Dept doesn't take him into custody and take over administration of the department.

[Dawson Leery]

174. Bull Connor Adkins idol!

:puke: