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BigDaddy44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 05:48 PM Original message |
Alaska governor sees 'perfection' in son with Down syndrome |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. She made the right choice nt |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. And who will do the caretaking when |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. You are right - the child should have been killed. nt |
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bbinacan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. I hope you meant to use a |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Thought it was obvious. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
95. It is obvious, |
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nodehopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:14 AM Response to Reply #4 |
85. aborting a fetus is not the same as killing a child |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #85 |
113. If it is wanted it is a child - mine certainly were. nt |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #4 |
142. Outrageous response. Because someone asks the question does not mean you can just say anything. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. You really think she doesn't know it? And hasn't accounted for that? n/t |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
39. A large percentage of parents outlive their Down Syndrome children |
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tpsbmam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
42. Wow, so by that reasoning all children with serious disabilities..... |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #42 |
56. Thank you. As the parent of a beautiful severely disabled daughter |
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murielm99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 12:10 AM Response to Reply #42 |
69. Your post, and jwirr's post are the best things I have seen on |
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ChazII (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:07 AM Response to Reply #42 |
83. Thank you |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #42 |
143. You are putting words in the poster's mouth. He/she asked a legitimate question. |
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tpsbmam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #143 |
188. I read the posters other statements on this thread before responding.... |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #188 |
216. ??? I see one post on this thread by the person you responded to. |
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tpsbmam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 05:15 AM Response to Reply #216 |
218. Perhaps I used the wrong terminology -- |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 07:59 AM Response to Reply #218 |
219. No, you quoted Leftymom and attributed it to Shraby. Not really fair to attribute the |
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tpsbmam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #219 |
231. My apologies to Shraby. I think everyone else got what I was saying. n/t |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 08:59 AM Response to Reply #42 |
220. It's called eugenics |
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recoveringrepublican (779 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 07:03 AM Response to Reply #42 |
248. I second this, as a deaf woman this kind of thinking scares me |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
101. Some adults with Down's live independently |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 08:05 AM Response to Reply #3 |
133. Got news for you pal.... |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I agree, |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 04:19 AM Response to Reply #5 |
78. Objecting to her five kids isn't intrinsically mean-sprited. She has no business contributing |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #78 |
117. Move to China they limit children there. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 04:04 AM Response to Reply #117 |
127. What a mindless response. What about the idea of children starving appeals to you? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 08:36 AM Response to Reply #127 |
138. So you agree with government enforced poulation controls? |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #138 |
141. Yes, I do agree with population control, and would want it guaranteed by |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #141 |
153. The idea you would believe this is whats baffling. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. You believe in "freedom", huh? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #155 |
164. All of them are illegal for starters. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #164 |
166. So what? We're talking "freedom", aren't we? Surely you don't think the law should interfere |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #166 |
169. If your freedom infringes on another persons rights directly, |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #169 |
173. You haven't thought this through very clearly, have you. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #173 |
176. You want to force people to be sterilized, enough said. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #176 |
178. You're still not thinking clearly |
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KneelBeforeZod (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #178 |
186. Clear thinking ... |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #186 |
195. You are just a treasure chest of misinformation, aren't you. |
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KneelBeforeZod (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #195 |
208. Constitutional Law ... |
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BigDaddy44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #208 |
212. Well that argument ended with a thud |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 05:06 AM Response to Reply #208 |
217. That has nothing to do with this issue |
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KneelBeforeZod (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #217 |
223. Now you're being obtuse ... |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #223 |
227. One last time |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #227 |
229. Please quit already, you have had your ass handed to you. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #229 |
232. Play it straight. Tell us why you prefer that innocent children die |
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BigDaddy44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #232 |
233. Well, since you lost the law debate |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #233 |
234. Oh, I see. You know that science is bunk, and only you and the oil companies have the truth |
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BigDaddy44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #234 |
235. What science are you talking about? |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #235 |
236. Yep, you're that arrogant. Und damit basta. |
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KneelBeforeZod (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #234 |
237. Arrogance ... |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #237 |
241. Your politics have evidently overwhemed you |
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KneelBeforeZod (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #241 |
243. Agreed, in part ... |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 08:13 AM Response to Reply #243 |
250. "I'll saddle-up the four horsemen myself" |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 08:47 AM Response to Reply #250 |
251. I don't think you share a value system |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 09:10 AM Response to Reply #251 |
253. "Scary"? What about the prospective extinction of all life on Earth? |
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BigDaddy44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #253 |
255. Burn the village in order to save it |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #255 |
257. No, you understand nothing at all. And that's why this is the last |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #253 |
262. The problem with your argument is that |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #262 |
264. That's not a problem with my argument, it's a problem with your perception, |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #264 |
265. You wrote: |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-08-08 04:24 AM Response to Reply #265 |
267. Yes, kids plural |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-08-08 07:48 AM Response to Reply #267 |
269. I'm glad your children made choices about children |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-08-08 08:38 AM Response to Reply #269 |
271. "I do not accept that as an inevitable reality" |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-08-08 05:59 AM Response to Reply #265 |
268. Or let's bring it even closer to home |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-08-08 07:49 AM Response to Reply #268 |
270. That's completely different.... |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 08:49 AM Response to Reply #250 |
252. Also... |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #252 |
256. There are two basic ways to address any problem to which the optimal solution |
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KneelBeforeZod (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #250 |
258. You're grasping ... |
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KneelBeforeZod (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-08-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #250 |
273. I hesitate to ask ... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #233 |
240. That's pretty funny. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #232 |
239. I think the Governor of Alaska will be able to feed her children just fine. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #239 |
242. "I'll be happy to look at your statistics" |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #242 |
244. The data I have seen concerning world hunger has mentioned, |
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KneelBeforeZod (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #227 |
238. On a more upbeat note ... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #178 |
202. It endangers other people property which infringes on their rights. |
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KneelBeforeZod (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #173 |
177. You, good sir ... |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #177 |
179. I won't even bother trying to wade through that enough to reply. (nt) |
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KneelBeforeZod (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #179 |
180. I'm not surprised. (NT) |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 09:15 AM Response to Reply #179 |
222. Too bad |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #177 |
201. Nice response. |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #141 |
191. Just curious - are you the first born in your famly? |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #191 |
196. answered elsewhere (nt) |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #196 |
200. Humor me and answer again - are you the first born? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
26. The only right choice is HER choice. . . |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
53. You're Absolutely Right. n/t |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #26 |
96. BINGO! |
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Azazel (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
107. No one here has any "say"? Do you mean we should all shut up? |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. I think the poster was very clear in their response... |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 08:07 AM Response to Reply #107 |
134. True enough. |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #134 |
192. Good Point, AngryOldDem. n/t |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-08-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #26 |
272. Abortion is not the only choice, good point. |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
2. Too bad about the kid's name - Trig Paxon Van Palin ??? |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. All of Sarah's kids have kind of unusual names... |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. thanks for that info - at least the siblings can commiserate if needed :) |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. I should have mentioned another thing about the Paxson part. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
11. NO mention of the high risk of heart and digestive tract issues. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. So disabled people are worth less then healthy ones? |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Keep your bullshit anti-choice talking points to yourself. nt |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. LeftyMom, would you agree that deciding NOT to abort |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. It's a fetus, not a child |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. The baby has been born. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #24 |
50. Ask any pregnant woman what she is carrying |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
59. Or maybe some of us are just relying on first hand experience. Not |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
98. Isn't she a child now? |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #98 |
209. The point I was making is that you can't abort a child. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Sure, but some choices are irresponsible. |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Well, like I said, her choice was not mine or yours to make. |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Do you? You have NO IDEA if her choice was a bad one or |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
55. The other children might not mind at all. The siblings of people with |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 12:20 AM Response to Reply #30 |
70. You make a very valid point re negative lifelong consequences for siblings. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #70 |
146. I was in the doctor's office one day some years ago when |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #30 |
89. I suggest you say this to the face |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #30 |
115. Appalling? |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #115 |
148. You don't see the difference between adopting and birthing? |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #148 |
156. No saint. |
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Sweet Pea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 07:14 AM Response to Reply #30 |
132. Seems to me.... |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #132 |
151. Oh put a sock in it! |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 08:16 AM Response to Reply #30 |
136. Duly noted. |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 08:18 AM Response to Reply #136 |
137. Some are pro-choice; some are pro-abortion |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #30 |
147. I agree. I support her right, given our current culture, to choose |
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Sheets of Easter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
260. Jesus, that's repulsive. |
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eyesroll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
261. Say that to LaraMN's face. |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. Anti-choice? Isn't HER choice ok? |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #35 |
150. "OK" on what level? |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #150 |
161. Half a live birth per person? |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #161 |
165. Yes. |
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BigDaddy44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #165 |
171. Do you propose a specific government agency be set up? |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #171 |
175. No, I think the existing public health and medical system could handle it |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #175 |
181. You are a monster |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #181 |
187. No, but there are monsters around. They're the ones who prefer killing actual, live children |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #187 |
206. Wrong. See #181. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #206 |
228. So share your views with us |
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redwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #175 |
263. That doesn't sound very progressive to me. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 09:04 AM Response to Reply #165 |
221. I see..... |
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tpsbmam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
44. Are you frigging kidding me??? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 08:33 PM Response to Reply #19 |
49. So there is only one choice to be made? That is what choice really means? |
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notfullofit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #19 |
67. She made her choice, she chose to give birth. nt |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:09 AM Response to Reply #19 |
120. . |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
184. :::::: WILD APPLAUSE :::::::: |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. He's her son, disabilities and all. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Yeah, but in a few decades, he'll be her kids' responsibility. |
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tpsbmam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #31 |
48. Okay, then -- let's not try to save people seriously injured in car accidents, |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 03:25 AM Response to Reply #48 |
74. that's not a fair analogy. |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 03:29 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. the other kids aren't required to take care of their sibling |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 03:44 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. c'mon that's a pretty weak and disengenuous argument, and you know it. |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 06:15 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. so it would be ok if the family was wealthy enough to hire others |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #81 |
114. it's not just about money |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #48 |
91. if they are in the uterus of someone else you'd have an analogy |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:12 AM Response to Reply #48 |
121. There's a name for what leftymom is advocating. |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:40 AM Response to Reply #121 |
122. You beat me to it. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 11:27 AM Original message |
No, it's not, and I'm sure you know it's not. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
254. Part of what eugenics is involves screening out potential "defects" and disposing of them. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #121 |
152. . |
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BigDaddy44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #31 |
51. Hey, guess what genius |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
54. they have a choice also , she can't force them to take care of her other kid |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 02:22 AM Response to Reply #31 |
73. In a few decades *YOU* may be somebody else's responsibility |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #31 |
84. Now they have many programs in place |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #84 |
215. Those programs have waiting lists upt to twelve years long where I live. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #31 |
93. no he WON'T be her kid's responsibility |
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FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #31 |
104. Two points... |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #31 |
193. What do you say to people who adopt special needs children? |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
34. What do you mean, no hope of self sufficiency? How do you |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
57. No- hope of self-sufficiency? Where have you been living? Most |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
64. Down Syndrome has a wide range of disablilty |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #64 |
94. this is true, i used to know a down's syndrome woman who could write very well |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #94 |
102. I used to *supervise* a woman with Down's |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #11 |
92. I agree w/you LeftyMom!!! |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #92 |
225. Define "all messed up". If we could determine a child would have OCD |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
97. Tell that to my friend |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
99. Damn, woman, you are COLD. |
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sandyd921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 08:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
211. Inaccurate perceptions about Down syndrome |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #11 |
224. A person born with Down's is just as treasured as you are. |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
12. She is very fortunate that it was only Downs |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
43. I an a special ed teacher (that probably shocks many here)... |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
63. I'm a substitute teacher and have been called upon to |
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BigDaddy44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. I get the feeling LeftyMom isn't volunteering to teach any special ed kids |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #63 |
87. I substitute teach also. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #12 |
90. Why did she have testing for birth defects unless there was a possibility of abortion? |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #90 |
139. Some birth defects present possibility of harm to the mother |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #90 |
203. Because some problems can be solved in utero or right after birth |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
13. She has many options that poor people do not have. |
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iaviate1 (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
14. She sees perfection in a Down Syndrome fetus... |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. One positive thing about Sarah, though, |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #18 |
103. Feminists for Life is scary (as well as oxymoronic) |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Oh, I know that ... |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #14 |
185. Consider this: |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
17. Sarah Palin kinda worries me |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. She has said repeatedly here within the state |
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StevieM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #20 |
119. I don't know if she'll be McCain's running mate, but I'm already hearing talk about her as a future |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:02 AM Response to Reply #119 |
124. We've kind of wondered if she'll run for Lisa Murkowski's |
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southern_belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
21. Good for her! She has an angel. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
45. That's beautiful |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. That's exactly right. |
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BigDaddy44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #21 |
52. Not according to some here |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
27. Okay... here's a cookie |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
58. I wouldn't be so sure about that |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. LeftyMom will defend to the death... |
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Sock Puppet (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #62 |
259. ... |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. One Does Not Represent All of Us |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 04:17 AM Response to Reply #58 |
77. oh please, that's not entirely fair. |
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fshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
28. And illness is a miracle. |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. And if you're not perfect, you don't deserve to live. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. If you're pregnant, it's YOUR right to decide. |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Huh? |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:36 AM Response to Reply #29 |
86. Didn't the Nazis repeat that ad nauseum, |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
37. Interesting article and there's a lot to admire her for ... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. PS: Just want to add that ... |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
61. I was very lucky because the doctors who diagnosed my daughter |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 12:04 AM Response to Reply #61 |
68. Don't know if you read my comments about Arthur Miller . . . |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
41. I believe a woman also has the right to say yes & choose to carry a pregnancy to term. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. 'Nuff said |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
60. I'm shocked at the ignorance on this thread. Absolutely shocked. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 01:03 AM Response to Reply #60 |
71. That's one of my favorite essays of all time. Thank you for posting it... |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 04:21 AM Response to Reply #71 |
79. Having years of experience in working with children with Down Syndrome, |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #79 |
100. Interesting shift. I just checked on Hansen's disease and found that Leprosy has also changed... |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:07 AM Response to Reply #100 |
130. It's been my experience |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #130 |
163. The diktat on the naming of syndromes hasn't yet made it to all the medical |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #163 |
167. Example of the kind of thing you'll find at those links: |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #163 |
168. Nah, what I will do is |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #168 |
172. Too bad you can't admit you're wrong. No problem calling others are |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:45 AM Response to Reply #79 |
126. If people don't have anything better to worry about than |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:03 AM Response to Reply #126 |
129. You're wrong. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #129 |
157. Wrong about what? Did I make up those syndromes with 's? |
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sarmark (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 01:27 AM Response to Reply #60 |
72. Howdy |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 05:02 AM Response to Reply #72 |
80. Neurofibromatosis |
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ChazII (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:03 AM Response to Reply #72 |
82. Well said! |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:52 AM Response to Reply #72 |
88. Neurofibromatosis is not a cognitive impairment |
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ChazII (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #88 |
108. High number |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. This thread is about a child with Down Syndrome |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #112 |
145. Yes, there is a difference. |
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StevieM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:54 PM Response to Reply #72 |
118. Welcome to DU. I'm glad you decided to de-lurk and post here (eom) |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #72 |
154. "I really like being alive" |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #72 |
194. My adopted daughter has neurofibromatosis (NF1) |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:43 AM Response to Reply #60 |
123. It is shocking, isn't it? Some posters here have just lost a PILE of my respect. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:28 AM Response to Reply #60 |
125. You are absolutely right. There's a slew of unbelievably mean-spirited and judgmental comments here. |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 08:14 AM Response to Reply #60 |
135. Holland is slower paced than Italy? |
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colinmom71 (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #60 |
149. And there are some of us who detest that essay... |
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gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #149 |
158. Your post |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #158 |
159. Not everyone's reality. Not at all. |
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colinmom71 (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #149 |
162. Couldn't edit to add this to my post above... |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #162 |
170. I'm sorry for your what you've been through. |
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colinmom71 (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #170 |
182. Oh, I guessed you were also figuring in other disabilities... |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #182 |
183. I wholeheartedly concur. |
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colinmom71 (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #183 |
189. Yes, he's actually on the Deeming Waiver... |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #189 |
190. Medicaid, either a carve out through Medicare or a waiver |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #149 |
197. I am sorry life has been so difficult for you. Email me if you wish. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
106. Deleted message |
OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. Her choice isn't yours to make. n/t |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #106 |
111. Not your choice to make. Ever. You cannot know what is in a woman's soul and circumstances.... |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #106 |
116. actually, |
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BigDaddy44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 05:58 AM Response to Reply #116 |
128. You mean like Al Gore with his four kids? |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #128 |
174. yup, kinda |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:08 AM Response to Reply #106 |
131. Deleted message |
leftyladyfrommo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
140. Oh, for heavens sake! There are lots and lots of Downs kids living |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 10:12 AM Response to Reply #140 |
144. Yes there are. Probably because their parents were willing to ask the difficult questions |
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gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
160. Interesting |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #160 |
198. Our grown children will not be "stuck" with our special needs kids |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
199. Actually, Trig's biggest problem isn't that he has Down syndrome |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #199 |
204. You disrespect all those with Down Syndrome to believe that |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #204 |
205. I know several people with Down syndrome who are perfectly happy |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #205 |
207. I'm a Democrat but know many good moms who are Republicans |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
210. wow. this is kind of a horrifying thread. |
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Feron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
213. Nice story although it's a puff piece. |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
214. She made the right decision for herself and her family. What if a stranger |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
226. Good for him. |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
230. She is 44 years old |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #230 |
245. Actually, younger women are having more children with Down Syndrome |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 03:10 AM Response to Reply #230 |
246. she didn't wait, she already has 4 other kids |
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Inittowinit (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 03:12 AM Response to Original message |
247. hmm |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
249. her body her choice. whats everyone all upset about? |
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Wabbajack_ (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-07-08 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
266. She had ihim to use as a prop durning VP bid |
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