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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 12:45 PM Original message |
Ohio Hospital Contests a Story Clinton Tells |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. Facts are hard. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. indeed facts are hard - do you believe the police - or the corporation and the media that protects? |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
2. Must have been a different woman, in another galaxy far, far away. |
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Zavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
3. Hillary? Lying? I'm stunned. |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
5. You all are forgetting a HUGE thing here; nobody comes close to GW. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
23. An ASPIRING amateur. |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
62. Bush isn't running for the Presidency and characterizing his opponent as deceitful. |
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BearSquirrel2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #5 |
70. Why would I want a GW knockoff ... |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 09:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
76. Logical fallacy |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #5 |
81. And that makes it okay? |
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appleannie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
6. Her campaign people and speech writers must be idiots or |
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Popol Vuh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
7. No wonder why Bush likes her |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
8. Contacted them for accuracy? |
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williesgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
9. If running her campaign is indicative of running the country, thanks but no thanks. rec'd |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
10. Her stories seem to be mostly dramatizations of the real story |
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nealmhughes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Mae West did, produced and directed all her shows, too! Stage and soundstage. |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
64. HAA!!!! You killed me, whether intended or not. |
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raebrek (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #64 |
79. lol n/t |
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wpelb (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
12. What's sad . . . |
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DogPoundPup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. pssssssssssssst... |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
33. No she isn't a republican. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. That's correct. She's a lying, conservative. registered Democrat. |
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DogPoundPup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Can't look me straight in the eyes |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. Gives a lot of Dems and progressives reasons not to trust a pathological liar, too. |
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EvolveOrConvolve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
13. I'm an Obama supporter, but this story is bullshit |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
37. It is an excellent point, BUT she does need to check that story - |
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EvolveOrConvolve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. I don't think Clinton knew the name of the hospital |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. It certainly does. More reason not to speak before checking |
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EvolveOrConvolve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. This has been a chronic and ongoing problem with her campaign |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
40. What's bullshit is telling a story that damages others' reputations without getting the facts first! |
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EvolveOrConvolve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Sure, that would be bullshit if Hillary had mentioned the hospital |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #43 |
67. I agree on the larger problem (one which her plan does nothing to address, I might add). |
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BearSquirrel2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #43 |
72. And Hillary's solution ... |
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BearSquirrel2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #13 |
71. But the Pentagon told us ... |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
14. oh god--again? another "story?" she should really stop making shit up n/t |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
38. From now on, every single thing she says will be examined under |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
66. i agree. n/t |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
16. Congrats for making the front page! |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
17. Her campaign staff should have checked the story out before she started using it in speeches |
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MindMatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. This is just like Ronald Reagan and his welfare Cadillac stories |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
18. This is the story the patient's family is telling. Is the family suing the hospital? |
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DogPoundPup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I see, Not.!.. AS IF the hospital can make 'this up" |
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DogPoundPup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. OH and yea, talk to the dead woman's family first... |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. So Obama supporters are cold, heartless? They are the ones who say Hillary should have gotten the |
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DogPoundPup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Something tells me you like to exaggerate...show me where |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Why in the world should we give a proven pathological liar like clinton the benefit of the doubt... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
22. Wow, so now her lies are painting health care professionals in a bad light. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
24. Sloppy fact checking is NOT the same as lying |
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DogPoundPup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Well then, that is what search engines are for... |
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bamacrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. No, it isn't but is it worse? |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
29. never vetted the story? |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #29 |
80. That just blows my mind. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
30. Here is what the "facts" from the NYTs tell me---the family does not trust O’Bleness Health System |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. This is all fine and well but the fact remains that Hillary told us |
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DogPoundPup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Her OBSTETRICIAN worked out of the O’Bleness Hospital |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
60. We have no way of knowing what the truth is |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
31. Everyone here making an analogy between this and WMDs is acting like Karl Rove |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. Except that, unlike Gore, clinton's lies have been documented by paper trail and video. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #31 |
58. Therefore, obviously, to way to expose her 'mistatements' and |
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SarahB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
46. I'd love to know the medical details here. |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
48. Hey, I can tell you some stories about Ohio hospitals that make me tend to believe the story. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Me too. |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
49. Yeah cuz we all know that hospitals and other healthcare providers..... |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Exactly. The medical industrial complex hates Hillary. Here is Gore Vidal on the subject. |
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LaurenG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. No no they don't |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
50. Does it have to be true if it will help you politically? |
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happygoluckytoyou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
52. IN A RELATED STORY..... THE LADY WHO DIED WAS HIT BY FLYING SHRAPNEL |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
53. Why would she have to make up stories? They happen. Here is a famous one |
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BryMan (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
54. Ok, ok now folks ease up some here |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
56. This story stinks. |
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Pamela Troy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
59. Do any of you have any idea how much you are playing into |
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DogPoundPup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. First...Hillary is a republican |
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Pamela Troy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 09:55 AM Response to Reply #61 |
77. Yeah, yeah, I heard the same kind of crap from Nader supporters |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 08:04 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Ummm... are we supposed to stick our heads in the sand and ignore news stories ... |
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Pamela Troy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #63 |
78. How about just avoiding the hyperbole and the venom? |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 07:13 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. Hyperbole and venom? |
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ernestv (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
65. Hey, what day is it? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. If you want it to stop, get her to stop lying so much. |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
69. Hillary Clinton lied? I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you. |
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Taxmyth (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 03:46 AM Response to Original message |
73. Didn't this come up during her 1st Senate run? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
74. dupe |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
75. Hillary did not name neither the hospital nor the woman. |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
82. If the hospital violates HIPAA standards, why wouldn't they lie? |
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