CNN: "Body is missing" (Body of Al-Qaeda leader "killed")

[IndianaGreen]

CNN: "Body is missing" BREAKING

CNN correspondent Salim Bokhari just reported from Islamabad that the body of Tabia is missing. The two CNN anchors were stunned to hear their own correspondent say this live on the air. They asked Bokhari to confirm, and he did confirm that "body is missing."

[Hissyspit]

1. Did anyone have it in the first place??

[IndianaGreen]

2. I don't know

I couldn't tell if Bokhari meant to say that a body was found and is now missing, or there was no body found at all. The point is that the only thing we know for sure is that people were killed, but that the claims that one of them was an "Al-Qaeda" leader is not supported by the physical evidence.

[lvx35]

98. Of course, he rose again. How else will they kill him again next month? nt

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

99. ON THE THIRD DAY HE ROSE AGAIN ACCORDING TO THESE SCRIPTORS

[lvx35]

101. hehehe! good one! nt

[cantstandbush]

58. After an explosion, how can you tell that a "body is missing?" n/t

[Dhalgren]

3. Damn! Those Al Qaeda #3-10s won't stay dead!

[SkiGuy]

10. LOL

How can it be mathematically possible to have so many #2's and #3's. Guess it wouldn't sound so powerful in the press if the headline said "The 872nd leader of Al Qaeda caught"

[Dhalgren]

41. Right. Or, "Three million dollars was spent this past Saturday to

capture a low-level, peripheral, Al-Qaeda operative. Authorities say this terrorist capture is of practically no value at all. Cheney says, 'This just proves we're in our last throws...er...I mean the terrorists are in their last throws. The low-level captures just proves that they are on the run.'"

[EFerrari]

46. Welcome to DU, SkiGuy!

:hi:

[SkiGuy]

53. Thanks

:pals:
Much for pleasant here (well so far!) than some of the other left wing blogs.

[Yupster]

63. Al Quaida should offer scholarships to

business school for their leadsers as they are using an inefficient business model with too many # 2's. They need a more linear business flow chart.

[MADem]

75. What, on the third day, he rose again from the dead??? n/t

[tanyev]

4. Has a large stone been rolled away from the cave?

[Benhurst]

7. ...

:spank:

:rofl:


:hi:

[tanyev]

22. No, this is serious. A second resurrection would be a much bigger

threat to Christianity than saying "Happy Holidays".




:evilgrin:

[Critters2]

76. Why isn't O'Lielly all over this?!

:yoiks:

[Zhade]

81. Heck, the unproven nature of the "first" is a threat, too.

NT!

[54anickel]

5. Do you mean Rabia? The one Musharraf claimed was killed?

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-12-03T134813Z_01_KRA321176_RTRUKOC_0_UK-SECURITY-PAKISTAN-QAEDA.xml

snip>

Abu Hamza Rabia, an Egyptian credited with heading al Qaeda's international operations, was among five militants killed in an explosion at a house where they were hiding in North Waziristan on Thursday.

Musharraf, arriving in Kuwait on an official visit, confirmed Rabia had been killed.

"Yes indeed, 200 percent. I think he was killed the day before yesterday if I'm not wrong," Musharraf told reporters.

While officials said the blast was caused by explosives stored in the house for bomb-making, residents said a helicopter fired rockets into the house at a village near Mir Ali in the tribal agency, just 30 km (20 miles) from Afghanistan where U.S. forces are based.

Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed, also in Kuwait, denied Rabia was killed during a military operation.

[IndianaGreen]

6. Yes, I meant Rabia's body is "missing"

This was a telephone report from Islamabad by CNN's correspondent Salim Bokhari. I was watching this breaking story when the two CNN anchors put Bokhari on the air, that's when he disclosed the "body is missing."

CNN is now scrambling!

[54anickel]

9. Another top guy with a limp I guess. He got away Nov 5 with a wounded leg

I hate being this cynical

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/12/03/pakistan.rabia/

snip>

The November 30 explosion killed "five miscreants, including three foreigners," one of which was Rabia, Pakistani Interior Minister Aftab Ahmad Khan Sherpao told CNN. Two others were injured in the blast.

Sheikh Rashid Ahmed, Pakistani information minister, told CNN Rabia was in charge of international operations for al Qaeda.

"We were tracking him from last month," Ahmed said. "He was a big fish in al Qaeda."

snip>

Rabia narrowly avoided capture on November 5, and was slightly wounded in the leg, Sherpao said.

Ahmed said Rabia apparently was working with explosives when the blast occurred. Sherpao told CNN he could not confirm reports that the explosion stemmed from a missile strike.

[MGKrebs]

29. I think they just have document templates for this.

Page 57B: Al Qaida suspect killed.

The explosion in _________________ killed _______ insurgents (miscreants, rebels, terrorists), including _____ foreigners, one of which was __________________, a number ____ (2 or 3)leader of Al Qaida. ____ others were injured in the blast. ___________ was in charge of ____________ operations for al Qaeda.

____________ narrowly avoided capture on ______________, and was slightly wounded in the leg, according to sources.

[54anickel]

31. Bwahahaha! Certainly appears to be the case...eom

[IndianaGreen]

62. According to Murdoch's Sky News: "injured in both legs"

The 38-year-old was among five militants who died in a house explosion in North Waziristan.

He had been injured in both legs during a blast in the same area last month and had been moved for treatment.

Newspaper reports say the fatal explosion was caused by a missile attack but security officials say the group had been working on improvised explosive devices.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13474216,00.html

[Critters2]

77. Well,

Murdoch would know!

[Ouabache]

123. Well, we can't say the story doesn't have any legs

harharhar

[Yupster]

65. What the heck kind of statement is this?

"200 percent. I think he was killed the day before yesterday if I'm not wrong"

I'm sure of it I think if I'm not wrong. Yes, very sure, I think.

[IndianaGreen]

66. Post #13 by 54anickel has picture of student being buried

that was killed in the same explosion that allegedly killed Rabia. Yet we have Pakistani army spokesman Shaukat Sultan telling CNN by phone that the Pakistanis "do not have custody" of Rabia's body, and CNN correspondent Salim Bokhari reporting by phone from Islamabad that Rabia's "body is missing."

We have Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiyah reporting that Al-Qaeda has denied that Rabia was killed.

We have David Ensor reporting that senior officials cannot confirm that Rabia was killed.

Meanwhile we have Faux, MSNBC, and CNN still adhering to the script that Rabia was killed by a Predator (to be fair to CNN, it was their correspondent that poke the first big hole on the claims that Rabia had been killed).

[Mika]

68. He's 200 percent missing. I think..

Oh man, its gettin' thick and deep.

[burythehatchet]

104. Speaking as an Indian

when an Indian or Pakistani says "200%" sure, he's talking out of his ass.

[IndianaGreen]

8. Pakistan: we have "no custody of body"

CNN is scrambling this morning since their correspondent Salim Bokhari reported that Rabia's "body is missing."

CNN is now interviewing Shaukat Sultan, spokesman for the Pakistani army, he just said that Pakistan has "no custody of body" when asked about conflicting reports about Rabia's body.

[54anickel]

13. Well, they had no trouble finding this student's body

Pakistani students carry a student's body for burial Thursday after he was killed by a blast at a home occupied by suspected militants.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

11. Sounds like this might be US military generated "news stories." n/t

[54anickel]

21. You'd think they could get the story on the source of the blast straight.

Some articles claim their own explosives blew up, some say the Pakistani army blew it up, some say it was the CIA with rockets from an "unmanned American aerial vehicle". :shrug:

[Freedom_from_Chains]

23. LOL I know

When the anchors for CNN was going through this story when they got to the end you realize that what we know is nothing. ROTFLMAO

[zann725]

12. "If a tree falls in the forest, and no one finds it..."

Come on...there IS a limit to the number of times they can "catch" and "RE-catch" the # 2 and 3 Al Queda guys. The fact that his "body" is now missing (never found?) is SUCH a Shrub-ism, it's laughable. How I look forward to Scotty explaining this one!

[tuckessee]

96. There is no limit.....

when one is dealing with the 30-second attention span of most Americans.

Most who heard the first report, where the American drone got Mr. #3, will never hear the follow-up stories and the event will remain another great American victory in their minds.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

14. I know what happened

It's like this:

He died.

Rose again.

Turned out to be the Son of God.

AND WE KILLED HIM.

Oh, the shit's gonna hit the fan now ..............

[kurth]

15. How convenient.

The dog ate him.

[leftofthedial]

16. the latest #2 is pure #2

just like all the others

[AlCzervik]

18. actually i think it was the #3 this time, i think they finally understand

that we all got hip to the #2 guy being killed about 500 times so they are changing the propaganda this go round.

[EFerrari]

51. So, they used #3?

:rofl:

[leftchick]

60. that would be doing #1 and #2 together!

:eyes:

[goclark]

17. Was he in the Deck of Cards?

Whatever happened to that stupid ploy?

[Peter Frank]

19. Officials weren't playing with a full deck... n/t

[Bucky]

28. The deck was for corrupt Iraqi leaders, not terrorists. Now tell me...

What kind of fool would get confused over the differences between such long standing enemies as Iraq & al-Qaeda?

I mean, you know, besides American voters.

[goclark]

79. I agree with you but the Bush MisAdministration

is so much smoke and mirrors that it is hard to remember what they are pushing from one day to the next.

[Igel]

44. Wrong war, wrong country? n/t

[goclark]

78. OK, but what happened to the New Deck?

I thought they were going to kill all the terrorists and that they were on Decks of Cards.

I haven't heard anything about the final number of people that they(we) took down in the first deck of cards.

[DubyaSux]

20. It's how the repukes...

....frame the debate.

They push the "zero-sum" game. Meaning, they would like you to think that each leader/insurgent they kill, they are one body closer to winning the global war on terrorism.

But the truth is, we are creating enemies at a far greater rate than we can eliminate. We could knock out Bin Laden, Zarqawi, all their number 2's and 3's, and they would be quickly replaced by the next in line.

The biggest mistake in Iraq was elimiating our ability to fight real threats by alienating the rest of the world. When Arabs begin to become indoctrinated against the US much like the Palestinians against the Jews, all hope is lost. There are over 1.6 billion (that's with a B) Muslims. Only a tiny fraction of those that converted from passive to aggressive could overwhelm our entire society. This is well beyond the reach of our military. It takes a world effort to counter this problem.

But they won't help because Bush pulled a Cheney and basically told them to "Fuck Off".

[rodeodance]

24. not seem to be scrambling now. just saying he is dead. also that he

blew himself up making a bomb.

[rodeodance]

26. according to cnn it is the Pak. gov who is saying he blew him self up.

[IndianaGreen]

27. David Ensor said that Mushareff may not want to say the US

had a predator flying over Pakistan that launched missile that "killed" Rabia.

The problem with Ensor's assertion is that Musharraff himself was quoted several hours ago as making the announcement of Rabia's death.

The question is: If Rabia is dead, where is the body?

[IndianaGreen]

25. David Ensor reporting from DC is saying CIA is "celebrating"

However, this flies in the face of what CNN correspondent said that the body of Rabia is "missing" and a Pakistani army spokesman who said the body was "not in custody."

CNN is still scrambling as the story begins to unravel.

[DemonFighterLives]

38. Their newest report is talking about him killed making a bomb

but also reported the conspiracy theory that a CIA missile did him in. I guess he was blown to smithereens, because they can't find his body.
Number 2, Number 2, stuck record.

[IndianaGreen]

47. I think these were opponents of the Musharraf's military dictatorship

and that either they blew themselves up while making explosives, or were killed by either the Pakistanis or US.

The point is that Pakistan does not have Rabia's body, that in fact, Rabia may not have been killed at all.

[IndianaGreen]

30. I found a blatant lie in official story from AP

Hamza Rabia, believed to have become al-Qaida's operational commander after the arrest of Abu Farraj al-Libbi in northwestern Pakistan in May, ranks somewhere between third and fifth in the terror network's hierarchy, officials said.

He was among five people who died in an explosion Thursday in the North Waziristan tribal area. Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed said Rabia's remains were identified via a DNA test.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PAKISTAN_AL_QAIDA_KILLED?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=HOME

To conduct a DNA test one must have a sample that matches the person whose body is being tested. The sample is either from a close relative or from the deceased himself. Even then, it takes many days to do the testing required to get a DNA match

This guy was just "killed" and the government of Pakistan is saying that his remains "were identified via a DNA test."

I believe the CNN correspondent in Pakistan that reported that the "body is missing."

[xchrom]

34. that just left me shaking my head for all

the twists and turns.

it's all just too 007 to be believed.

[justgamma]

35. Isn't it amazing

how they seem to have DNA samples for all these people? Do they have to give samples when they join Al-Qaida?

[54anickel]

37. That's the same Information Minister that denied he was killed in the

article I posted in #5?!?! Man, this story is just really F'd up.

[gratuitous]

32. Okay, the guy was killed somehow

Identified with 200% certainty, and now he's gone.

Maybe he got better?

[Canadian Socialist]

119. He wasn't dead...

he was just pining for the fjords.

[IndianaGreen]

33. Al-Jazeera: Al-Qaida denies Pakistan death claim

How sad that Al-Qaeda has more credibility than our own government!

Al-Qaida denies Pakistan death claim

Saturday 03 December 2005, 19:07 Makka Time, 16:07 GMT

Al-Qaida has denied claims made by President Pervez Musharraf that one of their operatives has died in an explosion in a northwestern Pakistan tribal area.

Musharraf, arriving in Kuwait at the start of a three-nation visit to the Middle East, said on Saturday that Hamza Rabia was among five people killed in an explosion on Thursday in North Waziristan, a tribal region bordering Afghanistan.

"Yes, indeed, 200% confirmed," Musharraf said.

But Dubai-based satellite TV channel Al-Arabiya said on Saturday that it had been contacted by a person claiming to be from al-Qaida who denied that Rabia had been killed.

"An official from the al-Qaida group has denied, in a telephone conversation with the Al-Arabiya channel, that Hamza Rabia has been killed," a presenter on the channel told viewers.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2CC9A3F4-DE33-4FBF-A71B-2C7FC1591425.htm

[54anickel]

39. Oh, so now he's of Syrian origin and has been buried in an undisclosed

location. Uhmmm, yeah, that's the ticket! Some unknown foreigners grabbed the body and buried it some where to the North, South, East and West of Waziristan, Miran Shah and Isori.

[IndianaGreen]

43. Sounds like Rabia and Cheney are the same person!

They are both in an undisclosed location!

I can't hardly wait for the next "explanation" for this strange story.

:popcorn:

[Dinger]

36. Is It Elvis?

Things must have gotten a little too hot in Kalamazoo.

[IndianaGreen]

42. There is no body, and Al-Qaeda denies Rabia was "killed"

Al-Jazeera even quotes the Pakistani newspaper Dawn, which "broke" the news of Rabia's "death" as saying the following:

Associates who were also from outside Pakistan retrieved the bodies of Rabia and two other foreigners and buried them in an unknown location, the report said.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2CC9A3F4-DE33-4FBF-A71B-2C7FC1591425.htm

I think this was a bullshit story from Pakistan that has been exploited and blown out of proportion by an American corporate press that is desperate for "good news" to overcome the real bad news coming out of Iraq.

What do you think?

[tabasco]

40. Just like Osama (We're Gonna Smoke 'Em Out) Bin Laden

As long as the oil flows and the profiteers are raking in billions ...

WHO CARES ?!?

[IndianaGreen]

45. Al-Arabiya: 2 local men, two Tadjiks and an Arab called Suleiman al-Moghra

The Al-Arabiya presenter cited the caller as saying that five people were killed in an explosion in the tribal region but these were two local men, two Tadjiks and an Arab called Suleiman al-Moghrabi.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2CC9A3F4-DE33-4FBF-A71B-2C7FC1591425.htm

[54anickel]

50. Dang, I'm getting a gateway timeout error again. Can't get to the article

Should I get out the tinfoil? This is the 3rd time I've had this message when trying to get to aljazeera.net in the last couple of weeks. :shrug:

Information Alert



Status : 504 Gateway Time-Out

Description : Unable to connect to origin web server. The web site you are attempting to access is currently unreachable. This may be due to a network outage, or the web site might be experiencing technical difficulties.

[IndianaGreen]

54. Maybe the Freepers are trying to knock Al-Jazeera off the air

Or the station has been bombed as Bush had wanted to do all along.

I have broadband and I have no trouble connecting to this link:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2CC9A3F4-DE33-4FBF-A71B-2C7FC1591425.htm

[54anickel]

57. I'm running on RR and getting that weird looking error message. Status

bar states:

Downloading picture http://63.240.133.70:1959/data/alertbar.gif

[IndianaGreen]

48. David Ensor: Senior officials cannot confirm that Rabia was killed

Now on the phone reporting from DC.

On edit:

Ensor is CNN's correspondent in DC.

[0007]

49. This is seriously hilarious - hum it baby, hum it!

The White House whores aren't on the same page any more, 'eh?

[IndianaGreen]

59. The original story published by Dawn is full of contradictions

I hunted down the original story from Dawn that was the source for the MSM's hoopla about Rabia:

Officials and tribal witnesses said that among those killed were three foreigners of Middle-Eastern origin. While the administration in Miranshah claimed the casualties were the result of an explosion inside the house, tribal witnesses insist that a hail of missiles fired from unmanned air vehicle struck the house at around 1.45 am.

<snip>

The sources said that Hamza, who carried the local alias of Nawab to disguise his identity, was among those killed but his body as well of two other foreign militants were quickly taken away by their comrades and buried at an undisclosed location.

http://www.dawn.com/2005/12/03/top4.htm

[lanlady]

52. and the media is snookered again

by another al-Rasputin story, courtesy of the Bush cabal.

Will they ever EVER learn?

[EFerrari]

55. No, but they will cash in. n/t

[IndianaGreen]

56. Interesting that CNN has not put Salim Bokhari back on the phone

since he reported that Rabia's "body is missing."

Now we have David Ensor, who is in DC and not in Pakistan like Bokhari, saying that senior officials "cannot confirm" that Rabia was killed. Earlier today Ensor had said that the CIA was delighted that Rabia had been killed.

It is obvious that the US media is very quick to report any bit of good news for Bush, without even bothering to confirm the story, and extremely slow to report that the "good news" were just bunk.

This reminds me of the NY Times reporting on page one every bullshit story about Saddam having WMD, while confining to the back pages any report that debunked the WMD claims.

[ewagner]

61. Just caught a piece

of Ensor's report...

they were showing a Predator Drone and speculating that it was an armed drone that killed #3 . and, of course, Ensor reported, "If a drone was used then you can bet that it had to have Presidential approval".

Hail Bush, the mighty warrior...sing songs of praise to the Warrior Philosopher King Bush!

:puke: :puke: :puke:

[DemonFighterLives]

70. The video of the Predator was spooky

Our little man can attack anyone anywhere at anytime. Robotic killing machine- kill faster/kill better. The next you know the bombs will be falling off of satellites. dubby's apocalypse!

Don't Prey On Me
:nuke:

[Hand]

118. Brrr... or as Lewis Carroll put it:

"The lesson is that little boys
Should not be given dangerous toys..."
:banghead:

[Arkana]

64. Must be Zarqawi's number 3 man!

This is HUGH!!!!111!!1!

[ticapnews]

67. I killed Osama bin Laden but his body disappeared after I shot him.

Can I have my $25,000,000 now?

:sarcasm:

[wordpix]

69. here we go again with another "got a top Quaeda" story

[IndianaGreen]

71. BBC changes headline by putting quotes around it

I just went back to BBC and instead of saying that top Al-Qaeda operative was killed, it changes headline and puts quotes around the claim:

Blast 'kills al-Qaeda commander'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4494428.stm

[IndianaGreen]

73. Why hasn't CNN put their own correspondent in Pakistan back on the phone?

Salim Bokhari told CNN's morning anchors that Rabia's "body is missing."

Shortly thereafter, CNN got Pakistan's Army spokesman Shaukat Sultan on the phone. He was specifically asked about reports that Rabia's body was missing. Sultan said, and I quote, "body is not in custody." To me that means that they don't have a body.

This also flies in the face of the claims by Pakistan's Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed that:

"The remains of Rabia... were identified with a DNA test."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PAKISTAN_AL_QAIDA_KILLED?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=HOME

As anyone that follows crime news in the US knows, to conduct a DNA test one must have a sample of DNA taken from the deceased and match it to a sample of DNA taken from a close blood relative. It takes several days of careful processing of the samples to determine if a match exists between the samples. One need to look no further at how slow our own efforts to identify Katrina victims have been going.

Now we are asked to believe that we were able to take DNA from a body that no one can find, and match it to DNA samples we obtained from Rabia's relatives, and completed the testing in an unbelievable 3 days!

This entire story is bogus!

BTW, if you ever take a class in statistics, you will find out that there is no such thing as 200 percent, so when Musharraf says that he is 200-percent certain that Rabia is dead, he is saying nothing.

[IndianaGreen]

72. Changes to AP story as well

While still maintaining that Rabia was killed, including the extraordinary (and easily refutable) claim that there was DNA identification of Rabia's body, a body that now no one seems to find anywhere, the AP story admits that there are conflicting accounts:

The circumstances surrounding Rabia's death Thursday were unclear as Pakistan - a key U.S. ally in the war on terrorism that walks a fine line while trying to avoid angering Islamic conservatives - downplayed suggestions that it hunted him down.

When the story first broke, officials said six rockets had been fired on a village near Miran Shah, the main town in the North Waziristan tribal area, and that one had hit a house, killing five people.

The government later issued a revised report that the men, inside what was believed to be an al-Qaida safehouse, had blown themselves up while handling explosives.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PAKISTAN_AL_QAIDA_KILLED?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=HOME

No one in official Washington has confirmed that Rabia is dead.

No one has rebutted Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiyah's report that Al-Qaeda has denied that Rabia was killed.

This reminds me of the way we used to study the Soviet press, watching for subtleties in news stories, and looking closely at official pictures to determine who was up and who was gone.

[IndianaGreen]

74. CNN: Pakistan does not have body

Fascinating to watch how the much ballyhood claim of the "death" of an Al-Qaeda operative is beginning to crumble even as the MSM continues to repeat the earlier claims by Pakistani President Musharraf.

The story began to unravel this morning when CNN's correspondent in Islamabad told the morning anchors that the "body is missing."

Several hours later, CNN finally decides to make mention of the missing body on their website. Please notice that they stick that part in the middle of the earlier story:

Pakistan does not have body

Musharraf said Rabia was killed north of the town of Miran Shah, but did not shed any light on how he died.

His press secretary and army spokesman Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan said Pakistan's government does not have custody of Rabia's body, adding that it was "probably taken away by his comrades."

When asked by CNN if Rabia was killed in a missile strike, Sultan said, "This death was the result of an accidental explosion."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/12/03/pakistan.rabia/index.html

There is still confusion as to the nationality of Rabia. Al-Jazeera, BBC News, and other foreign sources have referred to him as a Syrian, yet some American news accounts call him an Egyptian.

Can't these guys get their stories straight?:

The officials say Rabia, an Egyptian in his 30s, was responsible for external planning of terrorism, including terror strikes against the United States.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/12/03/pakistan.rabia/index.html

In another report, Pakistan's Dawn newspaper said on Saturday that Rabia, believed to be of Syrian origin, was killed in a missile attack on a mud-walled home in Isori, a village east of Miran Shah.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2CC9A3F4-DE33-4FBF-A71B-2C7FC1591425.htm

On edit:

If Pakistan does not have Rabia's body, how could they claim that they identified the body by means of DNA testing?:

The sources told NBC News Rabia was one of five men killed at a safehouse located in the village of Asorai, in western Pakistan, near the town of Mirali. Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed said Rabia’s remains were identified via a DNA test.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10303175/

[MsKandice01]

80. Looks like a missile to me...

From MSN.com



Pakistani tribesmen are seen on Thursday displaying a piece of a U.S. made laser guided missile, found in the debris of a house which was destroyed after alleged American Predator aircraft, which flew from bordering Afghanistan, fired on the house, killing five people including a senior al-Qaida commander identified as Abu Hamza Rabia.

[IndianaGreen]

82. Where is Rabia's body?

The Pakistanis claimed that they identified his remains by DNA testing, then turned around saying that the body was taken by supporters and buried elsewhere.

Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar were also "killed" by Predator's Hellfire missiles in Afghanistan, only to have the Pentagon admit that they had escaped. The only thing that is certain is that people died, including two children.

Where is Rabia's body?

Al-Qaida denies Pakistan death claim

"An official from the al-Qaida group has denied, in a telephone conversation with the Al-Arabiya channel, that Hamza Rabia has been killed," a presenter on the channel told viewers.

The Al-Arabiya presenter cited the caller as saying that five people were killed in an explosion in the tribal region but these were two local men, two Tadjiks and an Arab called Suleiman al-Moghrabi.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2CC9A3F4-DE33-4FBF-A71B-2C7FC1591425.htm

[kevsand]

83. I think he probably just got up and walked away.

He's joined the legions of the undead, you see. They are coming to eat our brains...

[stop the bleeding]

84. I think this has been confirmed -- see here ...

Key al-Qaida Leader Killed in Pakistan

[IndianaGreen]

86. Read post #74, it addresses the "DNA" evidence on a non-existing body

Do a Google on DNA tests, and find out how long it takes to complete a test for a DNA match. Before you even can do the test you need a body to take a sample from, then you need a sample taking from the deceased while he was still alive, or from a close relative. The man was "killed" on Thursday. You don't have his body (according to the government of Pakistan), and you have to get samples from a close relative.

The claims that Rabia is dead are bogus!

[stop the bleeding]

89. Maybe NBC rushed the story to press and goofed in not verifying

what they printed. Your points on the DNA testing are solid, however the article that I was referring to was an article(

Key al-Qaida Leader Killed in Pakistan)
just put out by the Associated Press just now an hour ago, and thank you for the solid research!

[IndianaGreen]

90. Here is a good layman's article about DNA testing

It is clear that this is not something that can be done on the fly, it takes time and care to get results, and all of this requires a dead or live body from which one can get samples:

http://www.scientific.org/tutorials/articles/riley/riley.html

[stop the bleeding]

92. Great find and I totally agree, I have changed the title of my other

thread and asked a moderator to move it to GD.

[IndianaGreen]

112. On Wolf Blitzer's Late Edition today: cannot confirm Rabia's death

Bush's National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley told Wolfie that the US cannot confirm Pakistan's claims that Rabia was killed.

We were right in DU when we debunked this story, the MSM was wrong in giving the uncorroborated and easily debunked claims by Musharraf that Rabia had been killed.

It was Pakistan's claim that the body was identified by DNA, and the later admission that the body was missing, that should have raised questions from our brave American journalists.

The American press has been reduced to stenographers for the Bush regime!

[stop the bleeding]

120. Thanks again IndianaGreen - great work!

BTW - why IndianaGreen?:smoke:

[IndianaGreen]

122. "Red" would have been a more accurate screen name

but when I came on board DU, I used the same screen name that I used in the discussion board at the The Guardian in the UK.

The Indiana is because I am a Hoosier. The Green came from my long support of Greenpeace (there are some internal problems with that organization nowadays). Since I always been a environmentalist and I did vote for Nader in 2000, I saw nothing wrong in signing up for what then was a board of people from across the political spectrum that were outraged about the judicial coup that put Bush in power.

A lot of things have changed since then!

Both parties morphed after 9/11 in supporting wars of aggression, torture, genocide, crimes against humanity, etc. Only lately, as the polls have shifted from blind support for war, has the political establishment shifted away from permanent occupation of Iraq. This is not due to any humanitarian concerns, but by the fear that having our military being decimated in Iraq prevents them from controlling other parts of the world, e.g., Latin America.

Both parties are slaves of their corporate masters. American democracy is a myth!

[SoCalDem]

85. and it's not even Easter yet

these guys are fancy

[StrafingMoose]

87. CNN: "al-Qaeda is missing" BREAKING

:evilgrin:

[HeeBGBz]

88. Another freakin resurrection

The #3 guy destined to re-emerge next week...

[OKthatsIT]

91. "Tabia has just left the building!!"

now we will see Tabia everywhere....I saw him down at our local 7-11 just this evening!

[stop the bleeding]

94. Tabia or Rabia or Elvis ?? n/t

[Qibing Zero]

102. Did someone say Labia? O.o nt

[laylah]

93. All I can do is

:rofl: :rofl:

What a bunch of hooey! Will those jerks EVER learn?

Jenn

[alittlelark]

95. Sigh......

uh, yeah, I'm going to bed now.

[W stands for Wacko]

97. To have a card in the deck, you had to give a DNA sample before the game?

Also, multiple #2 and #3 theory: Al Qaeda has weapons of mass deception?

"The body of Tabia was taken by outsiders and buried in a secret location prior to anyone actually witnessing it and following an absolutely, positively, without-a-doubt exact DNA match of Tabia's DNA sample that he submitted before the Iraq War games began!"

"Check the back of his card, where it says "Death confirmed by DNA testing on December 03, 2005""

Dave Barry,
Reporting from Pakistan

[ngGale]

100. Al-Qaeda...smarter than your average super-power bear...

leaps tall buildings in a single bounce. The proverbial cat with nine lives. :sarcasm:

[Lab2112]

103. Wow! Pakistan must have a great health care system.

Tabia obviously recovered from his "death" completely, until the next time the Bush administration needs to try to distract us again from the growing scandals besieging them.

LAB

[Paradise]

105. Wasn't he reported killed soon after news of 10 marines being killed? n/t

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

106. *cough* bullshit story

[justabob]

107. So predictable...

Just like the others who have been 'killed' multiple times. Next year some time we'll hear about this guy's demise in some other town... again.

[Cocoa]

108. Zombie terrorist on the loose!

:scared:

[IndianaGreen]

109. CNN: Stephen Hadley can NOT CONFIRM that Rabia is dead

That was the first question Wolf Blitzer just asked him, and Hadley replied that he cannot confirm Rabia's death.

On edit:

This is on right now on CNN Late Edition

For those not in the know, Stephen Hadley replaced Condi Rice as National Security Advisor. He has also been mentioned in the Plame Leak and was interviewed by Fitzgerald.

[lovuian]

113. Ya no body No kill confirmation thats how it works people!!!

Bush's administration LIE & LIE & LIE!!!

[sellitman]

110. We should give up,,,these Al-Qaeda dudes are way too tough.

:sarcasm:

[zann725]

111. For an Admin. that left American bodies float for MONTHS in New Orleans...

in minutes, they mis-place ONE terrorist body minutes after death?

The sun was no doubt in their eyes...the sand against them...

[IndianaGreen]

114. CNN Transcript of Saturday's Salim Bokhari phone report (body missing)

CNN has posted the transcript on their website. Nguyen is the CNN anchor, Bokhari is the correspondent in Islamabad, Pakistan:

CNN SATURDAY MORNING NEWS

Aired December 3, 2005 - 10:00 ET

BOKHARI: Well, you see -- I mean, his name has figured only very recently. I mean, it was really a shock when we heard about that kind of an al Qaeda operative living in that part of Waziristan where the Pakistan army has conducted several raids and the area was consistently being monitored.

Another interesting thing that I would like to share with you is that the body has not been claimed. The authorities have categorically stated that the body has been misplaced or has been taken away by the sympathizer of al Qaeda. So this is also very interesting point, that without having the body of the gentleman, the confirmation is given by the highest authority of this country.

NGUYEN: Salim, hold on just a second. Let's recap this. The body is missing. This Abu Hamza Rabia, the al Qaeda leader there on the ground, what is being called -- the man who's being called a big fish is missing?

BOKHARI: Yes, I'm very -- categorically speaking that so far the authorities are saying that they could not claim the body of Hamza Rabia.

NGUYEN: What proof do you have that he's missing? How do you know?

BOKHARI: Well, you see, there is no clear version from the authorities so far, but it's expected that in another two or three, they will certainly confirm it again that the person who got killed in that blast or that -- whatever that missile attack is Hamza Rabia. That is what they are insisting, that that is Hamza Rabia was one of them who was killed.

NGUYEN: All right. Also, there are others killed in this. Are we learning now that they too are al Qaeda members? Because earlier it was told us to by the interior minister that these were locals.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/03/smn.03.html

[noamnety]

115. Am I correct in assuming

this means Bush's poll numbers dropped again?

[IndianaGreen]

116. CNN transcript of Hadley saying US cannot confirm Rabia's death

CNN LATE EDITION WITH WOLF BLITZER

Interview With Stephen Hadley

Aired December 4, 2005 - 11:00 ET

BLITZER: Abu Hamza Rabia, supposedly the number three Al Qaida operative in Pakistan. Is he dead?

HADLEY: We've seen the reports out of Pakistan. We are looking at it. We are not in a position at this point to publicly declare that he has been killed. If he has been killed, it's a very good development. He was the chief operational planner for Al Qaida after the capture of Abu Faraj al-Libbi.

He was involved in planning assassination attempts against Musharraf. We believe he was involved in planning attacks against the United States. If he is indeed dead, it's a very good thing for Pakistan and for the United States.

BLITZER: If he's dead, how was he killed?

HADLEY: There have been a number of press reports. This is something that occurred on Pakistani soil. They obviously will be the ones who come forward and indicate how this occurred.

<snip>

BLITZER: Because they're suggesting it was an explosion, may have been an accidental death.

HADLEY: There are a number of reports at this point that are out there, and obviously, the key question is has this man been killed? Because if he has been killed, it's a real accomplishment in terms of the war on terror.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/04/le.01.html

[IndianaGreen]

117. Al-Jazeera: Confusion over al-Qaida 'death'

Confusion over al-Qaida 'death'

Sunday 04 December 2005, 20:04 Makka Time, 17:04 GMT

The United States says it cannot confirm the death of Hamza Rabia, an al-Qaida leader Pakistan claims to have killed near the border with Afghanistan.

Stephen Hadley, Bush's National Security Adviser, told Fox News on Sunday: "We have seen those reports out of Pakistan. Obviously, we're looking into them.

"At this point, we are not in a position publicly to confirm that he is dead."

<snip>

Sitting amid the ruins of his home in North Waziristan, Haji Mohammad Siddiq told Reuters that his 17-year-old son and an eight-year-old nephew were killed in a missile attack.

"There were no foreigners in my house," Siddiq said. "I have nothing to do with foreigners or al-Qaida.

"We were sleeping when I heard two explosions in my guest room. When I went there I saw my son, Abdul Wasit, and my eight-year-old nephew, Noor Aziz, were dead.

"I heard more explosions and went out to the courtyard, and when I looked up at the sky, I saw a white drone. I saw a flash of light come from the drone followed by explosions."

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FFD2D6D0-307A-4240-B3FE-DFC9DA694EEE.htm

Earlier story posted on this thread:

Al-Qaida denies Pakistan death claim

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2CC9A3F4-DE33-4FBF-A71B-2C7FC1591425.htm

[MrSlayer]

121. OH NO!!! AL-QAEDA ZOMBIES ARE ON THE LOOSE!!!

The only thing worse than a terrorist is an undead terrorist.