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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 11:08 PM
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Beef Sellers Battle Stricter Labeling,Disclosure (CA may act at st. level)
Los Angeles Times:
Beef Sellers Battle Stricter Labeling, Disclosure
By Dan Morain, Times Staff Writer


SACRAMENTO -- In the wake of confirmation that a U.S.-reared animal had mad cow disease, California cattle ranchers and grocers are battling consumer, health and labor groups over legislation aimed at allaying fears about tainted meat.

One lawmaker wants to require that beef carry labels showing its country of origin, and to force health authorities to make detailed public announcements about recalls of all contaminated meat and poultry. Another wants to permit ranchers to voluntarily test their cattle for bovine spongiform encephalopathy, so-called mad cow disease.

Federal regulations bar testing, labeling and detailed disclosure about recalls. Foes of the state effort say federal law takes precedence, and courts would strike down any state statutes. But consumer groups, saying the federal government is soft on meat producers, hope California can force the issue by approving state laws that might pressure the federal government to act....

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Most Democratic legislators are siding with labor and consumer groups in favor of labeling and disclosure. Republicans are lining up against both, and are expected to align themselves with much of the cattle industry to fight testing....

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Higgins said the cattle industry and the U.S. Department of Agriculture have taken steps to combat BSE....Consumer advocates and some public health experts believe more should be done...."The USDA is putting a whole lot of effort into not looking for BSE," said Elisa Odabasian, of the nonprofit Consumers Union, which is backing the state measures....


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-madcow4jul04,0,6435219.story?coll=la-home-headlines
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 11:10 PM
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1. Repukes line up to fight testing.
Man, do they not think that this will resonate in 2006? Silly people...
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-05 11:36 PM
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2. Pass the law. Force the issue.
What is the beef industry trying to hide? People should know.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 01:36 AM
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3. They must have something to hide - or they wouldn't fight it
I heard on public radio that it would cost 3 cents a pound to test all beef - the business as usual American capitalist would do it in a heart beat and add 30 cents a pound to the meat and pass it off as a necessary evil. To pass up a jump in profit they have to be hiding something big.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 06:15 PM
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8. That's what I'm afraid of, goddess: "hiding something big." nt
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 10:55 AM
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21. Agreed .................
veterinarian here with a longstanding interest in public health issues. If they wanted to formulate a plan to LOOK like there are testing for BSE but not actually doing anything useful, this is how they would proceed: test only downers over 30 months of age. OOPS!!! That's exactly what they ARE doing.

This is comparable to screening a population for HIV by only testing 50 year old gay men with visible Kaposi's Sarcoma for HIV. You are going to miss a few cases.

BSE has been documented in a perfectly healthy-appearing 23 month old bull calf. BSE comes in several "strains", one of which doesn't cause spongiosis, but rather causes amyloid deposits strangely similar to those found in Alzheimer's disease. Testing via IHC (immunohistochemistry) from what I have read is very strain-specific and in the US we are not testing for the most common strain(s). We are not looking very hard. We are PRETENDING to look.

I am not eating any more beef unless it is organically raised or at least grass-fed from a reliable producer. I simply do not trust the beef industry or its government buddies.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 01:20 PM
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24. Thanks for your expert view, kestrel...
of this frightening issue.
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 06:31 AM
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4. In the US only 18,000 cows are tested...
out of the approx 40 million slaughtered. This is a drop in the bucket and definately needs to be increased drastically and preferrably to be ALL beef is tested (for all diseases IMO). Of course Mad Cow wouldn't even be a problem if the feed were pure and didn't contain any animal carcass parts.

(more info below)

The following is from the Bottom Line's Daily Health News I received this morning (since it encourages forwarding info, I hope sharing this here is okay).


(Robert Petersen, PhD, is an associate professor of Pathology & Neuroscience at Case Western Reserve University. He is also the Chief Scientific Officer for Prion Developmental Laboratories, which is developing more rapid testing for mad cow disease).
<snip>

What is Mad Cow Disease?

Dr. Petersen explained that mad cow disease is one of several prion diseases. Prions are normal proteins, which, the current thinking goes, can become misshapen and infect other prions, resulting in a disease of the nervous system that causes dementia and ultimately death. Humans who eat the nervous tissue of an animal with mad cow can develop what is called variant Cruetzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD).

According to Dr. Petersen, no one in this country has developed vCJD other than a person who grew up in England in the early 1990s. Even so, he agrees that in spite of the small number of affected cows, mad cow is a real and serious disease, so it's prudent to take steps to be sure you won't become a victim. There are several ways to do this short of giving up beef entirely.

Steps to Safety

Dr. Petersen's first suggestion is one that the French government instituted -- eliminate bone-in cuts, or meats still on the bone. The reason for this is that the cow's nervous system -- including its bone marrow -- harbors mad cow disease. When you cook meat that is on the bone, there is the possibility that marrow from the adjacent bone could contaminate the meat. For complete safety, buy the steak or the roast, but remove the meat from the bone before you cook it.

As for hamburgers, there is no need to go without, says Dr. Petersen. Chopped meat is dangerous only because you rarely have a way of knowing what parts of the cow it comes from. Have a butcher grind it for you from a cut of meat, such as sirloin, that has nothing to do with the cow's nervous system.

Organic beef producers have jumped on the marketing bandwagon trumpeting messages that their products are safe. Dr. Petersen concurs that it's likely these animals are indeed protected. Cows get the disease by eating feed that contains remnants of animal carcasses, possibly including those that have another prion disease. Because organically raised cows graze rather than being fed in feedlots, the odds of their encountering an infectious agent, he says, have been minimized. While some high-end markets are posting signs that assure you their beef is safe, Dr. Petersen is less confident about that. Unless it is organically produced beef, there is no reason to think that it is any safer.

Best bet: Japanese Kobe steak. In the US, we routinely test 18,000 cows a year -- out of the nearly 40 million that go to slaughter each year. But the Japanese test each and every one of its cattle destined for slaughter. If you want steak from cattle that you know is disease free, order Japanese Kobe steak. Although expensive, you can relax and enjoy your meal.

Looking Ahead

Will there come a time when we can quit worrying about the possibility of mad cow disease in American beef? Dr. Petersen reports that the government now is looking at more efficient ways to test for the disease, but there is no way to know when and if one will be found and how long it would take to put it into use. The US government has had rigid standards for a number of years about what goes into cow feed to help prevent the possibility of mad cow disease, but it has been slow to find new ways to test quickly and efficiently for its presence in animals. In the meantime, he reminds us that the possibility of contracting vCJD is much lower than getting a disease such as Legionnaire's disease.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 07:14 AM
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5. It's actually 300,000 in the past 12 months
That's still a drop in the bucket. The denial of the right to test is a real puzzler. The rapid tests are manufactured by two companies but can only be purchased from the federal government. What the fuck is THAT all about? The short answer is that Tyson, Cargill and the other big packers (other than Swift) don't want to pay the cost, while smaller producers with better quality cattle want to have full disclosure. Guess which group gives millions to the GOP.
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 07:52 AM
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6. So would a boycott of the big companies refusing to test more...
Edited on Mon Jul-04-05 07:55 AM by WePurrsevere
do any good at all? It's amazing how hitting them in the wallet can get their attention.

btw- thank you for the correction. :) Although I get interesting info from Bottom Line, etc I'm never sure how accurate or up to date it is. For instance I believe from re-reading the article that the figure I quoted was from 1993.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 11:24 AM
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7. USDA is useless!Buy organic or go Vegan.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 06:26 PM
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9. "some public health experts?"
Would the "editors" at the Times be able to cite even one public health expert who didn't believe that "more should be done."

This kind of propaganda masking as "balance" is one of the reasons I no longer read the Times- and why their circulation numbers are falling- and why Americans still get sick in large numbers from tainted meat.

I once asked an environmental epidemiologist why in the world Republicans (or anyone else) would fight so hard against disclosure requirements.

He smiled and said: "Because they work."

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wildcat78 Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 06:38 PM
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10. Grocers don't care what you think...
I was at the grocery store yesterday buying chicken. I asked the worker behind the meat counter about the source of the beef, the feeding standards and the quality (choice, select, etc). His answer was don't know, don't know, don't know.

So, be careful where you buy your beef for this is the typical answer. Grocers just don't care because if you don't buy it somebody else will.

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 12:30 AM
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14. At some grocery stores that's probably true, but NOT ALL!
MY husband is a meat cutter for a large SE supermarket chain, and believe me, the grocers care! All the stores in this chain have already been told to prepare for this labeling. They are already doing it on seafood! Beef etc is to be effective next year.

At the meat dept employee level, they're not thrilled because is one more thing they have to do, but it's unfair to say they don't care!

Your biggest concern would be better directed to the Fed controls over testing. A very small % of Beef are tested for MCD right now. As far as I know, the two most recent cases were both US born beef! So what good is a lable showing Country of origin? That was great when the threat was English or Canadian cattle, but it is no more!
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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 02:07 AM
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16. I would agree with you there napi21
the place I shop I have gotten to know the meat cutters and they are very concerned and realize that in a panic their jobs become obsolete.

I was speaking to the meat department head and I asked him why we don't show the origin of the meat like we do with apples for apple juice. He is concerned and realizes that people will react if the government won't.

I hadn't known that California had already started to push this.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 06:45 PM
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11. what would be fair labelling
I would like to see the hormones administered to the animal, any
antibiotics administered as well, the amount of land per animal they
had during their ranging life, the normal diet of the animal prior
to slaughter and the location where they were kept.

Of course the profit-maximizing profession would not want to tell these
facts, as they're likely quite dangerous, showing the incredible
chemicals they feed the animals and the putrid conditions in which
they are kept.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 12:07 AM
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12. This has been a huge scandal from the start - Big Beef cronies' short
term profits are clearly far more important to this administration than the health of the people of this country (or anywhere else that still accepts US beef) and the long-term health of the beef industry.

It's a long, long list of Bush Administration scandals, yes, but this should not be lost sight of for the contemptible, brazen corruption that it so clearly demonstrates.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 12:21 AM
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13. U.S. Department of Agriculture have taken steps to combat BSE...
yea sure :rofl: ignoring it and hope it goes away is a big step


http://www.pages2send.com/cootie/
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 01:50 AM
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15. I am going to call on my state Congressman and Senator's to see,
we can pass the bill to test all beef sold here is Washington State! I am going to harass the basters until they listen... I am like a little dirty fly, keep on coming back until I get what I want!
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 09:48 AM
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17. Good idea, Rainscents -- our elected officials SHOULD hear from people...
on this issue.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 09:53 AM
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18. "Federal regulations bar testing, labeling and detailed disclosure..."
"...about recalls."

That alone should tell you that our government no longer works for the people, but rather for corporations.

The US government has been taken over by the Mafia -- the Corporate Mafia.





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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 10:01 AM
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19. On the one hand, we have the ranchers
If BSE is found in their cattle, they could lose the entire herd.

On the other hand, we have the meat-consuming public. Eating tainted meat can lead to . . . death. Lose a herd or lose your life. How tough is it to make this choice?

Maybe there could be some kind of reserve fund to compensate ranchers for losing their herd to BSE contamination? And a limitation that a rancher couldn't hit the fund more than once in five years, with a phase-out provision that over 15 or 20 years that ranchers have to submit their cattle for regular inspections of contamination?

But where do the sympathies of the corrupt Bush administration lie? Yup, profits once again triumph over people. What a shocker. Not.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 10:42 AM
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20. What about gelatin?
Just curious, has there been any wide testing of gelatin (rendered from bovine hides and bones), in which BSE prions supposedly can survive? I mean, it can't be hard, you just have to grab some boxes off the supermarket shelves...
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 11:06 AM
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22. Good luck acquiring the test from the feds, they won't sell to you
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 01:23 PM
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25. Sure, drag big pharma into it.
They'll be up for allowing that to happen.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 12:58 PM
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23. Let's see...Money? Death?
When they fall down with richtures as their brains (oh, maybe this is the reason...no brains)are eaten by some terrible protein, I hope their money comforts them.
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