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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 07:31 PM
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White House: Bush not aware of drugs (AP)
http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/news_story.asp?id=114144

White House: Bush not aware of drugs

Associated Press

2/7/2005

WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. President George W. Bush was not aware of any steroid use by Texas Rangers players while he was a team executive, the White House said Monday.

In his upcoming book, Jose Canseco said he introduced Rafael Palmeiro, Ivan Rodriguez and Juan Gonzalez to steroids after being traded to Texas in 1992, the New York Daily News reported. Canseco said Bush, the Rangers' managing partner at the time, must have known about the drugs.

White House press secretary Scott McClellan said he spoke to Bush about alleged steroid use.

"If there was, he was not aware of it at the time," McClellan said.

complete story:

http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/news_story.asp?id=114144
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 07:32 PM
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1. He probably wasn't; Steroids aren't a party drug
and therefore, Shrub wasn't interested.

They should ask him about the cocaine use.

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Zeke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 07:52 PM
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15. Bing! Pow!
Nicely done.

Perfect.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 07:32 PM
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2. Well, to *'s credit, ignorance IS one of his more prominent features
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 07:59 PM
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17. He's an actor who uses "ignorance" to weasel out of everything.
NGU.


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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 08:09 PM
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22. How very Reaganesque of him.
No, wait--Reagan couldn't remember. Bush doesn't know. Big difference.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 07:32 PM
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3. What were you expecting?
I mean...c'mon. :beer:
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wolfgirl Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 07:32 PM
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4. Bush isn't aware of
anything, at anytime...therefore he's never culpable. What a dolt!
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 07:32 PM
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5. Like he's gonna...
tell you the truth or for that matter the American public the truth Scotty! Duh?
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 07:33 PM
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6. Is this like when Poppy
ahem, "missed" all the juicy details in Iran-Contra, because he had had too much iced tea and had to keep running to the can?

The BFEE is SO full of it...
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zacho Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 07:36 PM
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10. Phew, when I read you're title I thouht you meant David Ortiz!
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pnutchuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 07:34 PM
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7. Bush doesn't seem to be aware of anything! n/t
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 07:35 PM
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8. i wish i had a dollar for everytime McClellan
says this: "If there was, he was not aware of it at the time," McClellan said.

Or something like that.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:10 PM
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42. Condi uses that phrase a lot, too.
"If Osama Bin Laden was planning to use planes as missiles, I was not aware of it at the time."

I believe that Bush didn't know about the steroid use...he doesn't care about anything outside his little sheltered life.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 07:35 PM
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9. And he wasn't aware of torture, or the Swiftboat vets, or how he got into
the National Guard

or how his Harken papers went missing

or that terror was an important issue when he refused to read the Hart-Rudman report on Global Terror that was handed to him on Jan30, 2001.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 07:39 PM
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11. One must have a functioning brain to be "aware" of anything.....
that would exclude bush from any pesky "awareness" problems.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 07:42 PM
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12. That would be truly heaven sent,is there an anti-Rove out there?
Ranger Gate,whatever will start the snowball rolling, the least democrats in Washington should do is dog this administration, if nothing else but to stall them from turning our country into a toilet bowl of the world bank.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 08:06 PM
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19. what if Bush was brought down by steroids?
Edited on Mon Feb-07-05 08:07 PM by Cocoa
what if this is the one thing Rove overlooked, the one flaw in the villain's "perfect crime?"

edit: and I like "RangerGate"
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 07:43 PM
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13. So the Old Saying is NOT True?
"It takes one to know one". Bush was/is a dopehead but he wasn't about to recognize others? How odd. :)
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 07:44 PM
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14. But twelve years later steroids were important enough for him
to go on and on about in his SOTU.

Uh huh.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 08:50 PM
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27. OMG That's right--he was going on & on about steroids in that SOTU
& nobody could figure out why the hell he was talking about THAT--now it all makes sense.

It's like some little piece of guilt-laden flotsam from long ago came floating into his awareness & he kept babbling about it.

Who has more info on what he said back then & what the circumstances were? Could be very interesting.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:48 AM
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38. But he doesn't write his speeches...
Rove and Chaney do. Pre-emptive strike maybe, before the story comes out?
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M155Y_A1CH Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 10:28 AM
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41. SOTU quote
It was right after he spoke of chidren's drug use and drug testing for chidren.


"To help children make right choices, they need good examples. Athletics play such an important role in our society, but, unfortunately, some in professional sports are not setting much of an example. The use of performance-enhancing drugs like steroids in baseball, football, and other sports is dangerous, and it sends the wrong message - that there are shortcuts to accomplishment, and that performance is more important than character. So tonight I call on team owners, union representatives, coaches, and players to take the lead, to send the right signal, to get tough, and to get rid of steroids now." * SOTU 2004

first Google source listed: http://brendoman.com/honzo/state%20of%20the%20union/
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 03:19 PM
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44. Why does he name baseball first?
I don't pay any attention to sports, but wouldn't athletes in almost any other sport come first to mind for steroid use unless you knew something specific about baseball?
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Lisabtrucking Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 07:53 PM
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16. That's because he's on them. n/t
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 08:01 PM
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18. Yeah, sure.
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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 08:06 PM
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20. He was too drunk to be aware of much of anything...
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 08:09 PM
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23. snf. Drugs? snff. What Drugs? snf. I haven't. snnf. Seen any ...
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 08:07 PM
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21. He was too coked up
To notice what drugs everyone else was doing.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 08:10 PM
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24. Lemmee guess...
...he was out of the loop. :eyes:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 08:16 PM
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25. Steroids is to athlete as wire is to debater
The link is that he has no compunctions about CHEATING. He's a bad influence on our kids!
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 08:28 PM
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26. Such a man of integrity...we know he'd be HONEST, right?
Give me a break!
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:05 PM
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28. the more Mr. McClellan sounds like a defense lawyer for Mr. Bush,
Edited on Mon Feb-07-05 09:06 PM by pinto
the more I wonder. He has become adroit at parsing his phrases just so..

(No offense to real, accredited defense lawyers everywhere)

-ed for spell-

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doxieone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:39 AM
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29. WH Denies Canseco's new allegations (Steroids/Bush/Rangers)
Edited on Tue Feb-08-05 08:47 AM by doxieone
Back with link!


EDIT

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/3382234

White House denies Canseco's new allegations
Story Tools: Print Email
Associated Press
Posted: 12 hours ago



WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush was not aware of any steroid use by Texas Rangers players while he was a team executive, the White House said Monday.

In his upcoming book, Jose Canseco said he introduced Rafael Palmeiro, Ivan Rodriguez and Juan Gonzalez to steroids after being traded to Texas in 1992, the New York Daily News reported. Canseco said Bush, the Rangers' managing partner at the time, must have known about the drugs.
White House press secretary Scott McClellan said he spoke to Bush about alleged steroid use.

"If there was, he was not aware of it at the time," McClellan said.


snip
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:39 AM
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30. they can deny it all they want, but the truth hurts, * pushed drugs
Hello country, * pushed drugs on his baseball team, watch up will you.

:kick;
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:39 AM
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31. Of course!!!!
During that period, he was either as oblivious then as he is now, or he was addicted to drugs and alcohol himself.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:39 AM
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32. Hmm..and Arnold became a winner using steroids, too.
It's all about the winning for these Republicans, isn't it?
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doxieone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:39 AM
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33. Press conference yesterday (transcript)
Q Second question, any further response from the President on the allegations concerning his knowledge of steroid use by the Rangers?

MR. McCLELLAN: Yes, I talked to him, and he wasn't aware of that at the time, if there was. But he -- he has recognized for some time that steroids is a growing problem in professional sports, particularly Major League Baseball. That's why the President has made addressing the issue a priority in his administration, because the use of steroids or performance-enhancing drugs sends the wrong message to our children. And it also has harmful effects on those who use it. And the President commends Major League Baseball and the players' union for working together to take an important step to address the issue by expanding drug-testing programs and increasing penalties.

Q Just want to be clear. On the Rangers, are you saying there was no use, of if there was, he didn't know about it?

MR. McCLELLAN: The second part -- the latter, yes. If there was, he was not aware of it at the time.

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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:39 AM
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36. Executive accountability?
Not with * !!!!

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heidiho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:39 AM
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34. Imus said this morning "Who are you going to believe"
An idiot like Conseco or the President of the United States?"

When they all laughed and said "Conseco"!!!
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doxieone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:39 AM
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35. I hate and love Imus. He's addictive to watch/listen to.
I don't like the new set. It destroys the buddy buddy environment.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:39 AM
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37. Hmmm? Rafael Palmeiro later was hired for Viagra TV ads
Edited on Tue Feb-08-05 09:39 AM by SpiralHawk

One has to wonder if the steroid use led to his need for viagra?


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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 10:03 AM
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39. "I know nossing!" says Sgt. Schultz!
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 10:16 AM
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40. The buck stops...over there!
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:20 PM
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43. Canseco is an idiot...consider the source before you believe
Jose's credibility has never been high.

I find the allegation that him and McGwire injected each other with steroids somewhat far-fetched. Even if they took steroids, these two were multimillionaires at the time and I don't think that's the way most pro athletes take steroids (with each other giving the injections).

Also his allegation that Bush "must have known" is not exactly an eyewitness account.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 04:13 PM
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46. Yes of course....but it is the duty of the GM and the field manager to
look after the health of their players. So Curious George does bear some responsibility IF there was rampant steroid use and he did not know about it.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 04:32 PM
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48. What better way?
Two multi-millionaires who have plenty to lose if they squeal on each other. The alternative, having some paid underling do it (even a doctor) would have opened them both up to blackmail.

And it worked, at least until Canseco got out of baseball and could make even more money by a tell-all book on the subject,
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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:38 PM
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51. from personal experience
I can tell you that most if not all baseball and football *stars* have taken/ do take steroids. Period. Mark McGuire is so full of shit his eyes are brown.

Jose may be a crackpot, but about this issue, there is truth in his rants.

As far as injecting a teamate with something, this seems likely due to the popularity of 'site specific injecting'. Its pretty hard to inject Equipoise into your rear delts...
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 03:33 PM
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45. Bush lied, people
Edited on Tue Feb-08-05 03:33 PM by dave29
steralized
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 04:16 PM
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47. Well, he was pretty stoned most of the time
With all of the coke he was doing, you can't seriously expect him to remember what drugs the team was using, can you?
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:12 PM
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49. How about Cocaine in the Owner's Skybox?
Of COURSE junior didn't know nuttin' about no 'Roid use...

Now ask him who had the best Blow in Houston...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:18 PM
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50. LOL!
Are only republicans are allowed the "ignorance" excuse?
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:52 PM
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52. I wonder what else * is not aware of? I don't think he's aware of
much.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:54 PM
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53. Face it
b_sh is just not aware of anything.
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