Are you waking up? If you continue to bash and not support

Obama, you too can have rick perry as your leader. I have had right wingers in control of my state since 1995. Bush anointed this far right freak and you will have him as your pres if you continue acting as though he is not a vile and viable threat. Ann Richards and the Dems in Texas did not take baby bush seriously and you see where that got us.

They worked to run Kay Bailey Hutchison for governor.

Did they like him before they hated him? Do tell. I'm interested.

Perry was elected Lieutenant Governor of Texas in 1998 and assumed the governorship in December 2000 when then-governor George W. Bush resigned to become President of the United States

offer me alternates and I decline.":headbang:

NGU.

wing freak taking control of our government.

NGU.

See how easy it is?

(A clarification. You mean the unquestioning Obama supporters. I'm an Obama supporter. But I reserve the right to criticize.)

NGU.

No one seems to believe me when I say that Texas was a left leaning state until bush and rove took it over. The people on DU are either not listening or are skeptical or do not care. I am going to shout warning until I get people to listen or until perry is elected and I will sadly say I told you so.

NGU.

NGU.

I'll a whole bunch from Column A, a little from Column B, and a big old dash from Column C.

Thanks for trying anyway.

will get a freak like perry elected. I made a promise to put information about perry on DU weekly until I get people to see his potential for destroying our country. Guess it is not working because you and others just see this as blind support of the pres.

Because a lot of people who take your position have a hard time telling the difference.

NGU.

necessary and I am definitely not happy with many of the weak positions our pres has taken. I think we should take him to task for them. My concern is that he loses the election to a right wing freak like perry and my self appointed goal is to warn people here and anywhere I have a voice about the evils of perry, which make Obama look like a paragon of virtue.

NGU.

great liberal, lady leader (Ann Richards) who did not take a wealthy idiot (bush) seriously. That idiot had endlessly amounts of cash, a well known name and a unprincipled campaign manager (Rove) who lied and manipulated the public's lowest instincts to get him elected governor. He then went on to cheat his way to the highest office in the land and destroyed my country economic system, its high courts and its middle class. This is why my style is one that will repeatedly cry warning about another even worse person from my state who is trying to become its leader.

...a "left-leaning state." That's patently obvious.

NGU.

been the accceptance and furtherance of wacko right wing ideas that have borne fruit during the perry years.

disagreement with actual factual information. Bashing is tearing him down over everything anyone says, without first learning the truth about what is often nothing more than exaggeration or even outright rumor.

"Fuck Obama"

"He's a weak capitulator"

"Asshole"

"Caver-in-Chief"

constitute constructive criticism of policy.

It ought to be obvious, but people pretend this stuff is never said (very easy to do so when the ugliest screed gets alerted and deleted and gives them cover), or they just dishonestly label it valid criticism.

I'd bet good money that if any of the people make these comments as "their right to criticize" ever had a boss give THEM that kind of feedback, they'd run crying to their HR rep so fast with complaints it'd break the sound barrier.

But they can sure dish it out.

And when it doesn't, we have the guaranteed right to speak out.

I'll vote for the Capitulator/Caver in Chief, assuming he's the nominee. I don't have to be happy about it.

Bake

Criticism I disagree with is bashing.

No matter what shit the Dems pull, we have to vote for them because the Republicans are worse?

We've been doing that for 18 years, and I don't think it's worked well for us. Do you have a plan B?

let the right wing take over.. Because I am telling you whatever deep rooted and continued flaws Obama and the Dems have they are absolutely NOTHING compared to the rick perry and the rubs method of governing!!!!

...to many unquestioning Obama supporters.

NGU.

Another goody:

"Impeaching the President would be a win-win for Progressives".

Of course this one was deleted and the poster who wrote it took advantage to pretend they never said it.

That's some solid constructive criticism right there!

Because adults understand what a dilemma is and they also understand the life altering difference between choices.

Adults also understand that most times a dilemma is the only choices out there. Black and white are rarely out there. Actually black and white choices are never out there for real adults.

18 years of triangulation and appeasement. How's that working out for us?

We now have a choice between certain death and certain death. I don't have a plan B, yet.

Please explain to me the end goal of continually voting for the lesser of two evils.

"Vote for me, at least I'm not as bad as that guy" is not a very good motivating slogan.

I'll support him when he supports issues I care about and stop behaving in ways that are contrary to my beliefs.

They are all the same. Have fun!

NGU.

win anything. I am trying to warn people who love our country that perry is a man of infinite means (oil companies at his beck and call) and that he will take us to a right wing religious hell that is callous and biased to women and people of color and to any one who is poor and wants an education and to all poor people and in fact to anyone who does not fit the repubs ideal of an American. So reject Obama but I want you to know what the future holds for you with perry as pres.

...talking down to them? Your real name wouldn't be Dale Carnegie, would it?

:rofl:

NGU.

I am a mirror. I give back just what I get, and I am getting nothing from Obama, therefore, he gets nothing from me. I will not turn conservative for anybody, no matter what party they claim.

have to live with a conservative president if we don't all stick together. Plus would you want a conservative to pick a con. JSC? Try living with that. There goes Roe vs Wade plus many other things against women.

Same old tired BS.

Step 1. Make stupid argument that has been recycled more than aluminum.
Step 2. Steer all discussion back to brilliantly stupid argument.
Step 3. Obama wins!

Reality. I didn't invent it.

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There are different types here.
Those who care, those who troll, and those who don't give a shit.
Those that don't give a shit about the Supreme Court,
or the next election have invested way too much in what they have been doing,
which is absolutely nothing positive.
they think it is great, and they ain't about to stop now.
They want us divided. For them, its a fucking game,
and that's the only thing they are in it to win.

Those kind of folks are not your friends, don't want to be your friend,
as they don't really give a shit about you or your children, or the future,
they just like to pretend to. They are waiting for this imaginary revolution they think is imminent,
in where somehow, the liberals will be the ones with the guns, and therefore will
be the ones that will end up winning, and get to make all of the decisions....
which of course ain't never gonna happen, and especially not that way.

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behind my back, and I'm ok with that. I'm no wimp.

If you want to characterize me specifically, go for it!
Cause far as I know, I wasn't addressing you, unless you're a troll,
or you don't give a shit.....and the folks that I described are
not a figment of my imagination, but unless the shoe fits you,
I'm not sure how I'm being rude, unless you have decided to assign yourself
the job of defending unnamed vaguely described posters who are trolls or don't give a shit. LOL!

Now, I'm sure folks will talk about me to you in this thread,
which if course is ironic based on your critique of my post!

...unless we alert.

NGU.

Much better to let people see patterns with names, IMO.

Really? him/her/IT????? So now those who express opinions with which you disagree are OK to be referred to as "it"??? Really?

:shrug:

If the repugs get to select one more member of the supreme court, this country is going to be in serious trouble. T have been very disappointed in Obama's presidency. But I am absolutely sure that on his very worse day in office, he is at least ten times better than anyone from the republican party.

If you think that George Bush was the worse president ever, he will start looking a lot better after four years of president perry. If you do not understand that now, you certainly will later.

And I'm one of those who actually cares about our future...
understanding that it won't ever be close to perfect, and considering the
last 30 years of total fuck ups....possibly won't even get remotely close,
in my lifetime, for sure.

What I am is in it to win what is realistic to expect in the world of politics,
in a society where what largely controls the results of elections are media, polling companies,
and lotsa of money.

What makes you so sure "that on his very worse day in office, he is at least ten times better than anyone from the republican party."?

He has continued Bush's wars, and expanded them.
He has continued using other countries to torture people through 'rendition' while claiming that we no longer torture.
He has continued Bush's economic policies - even to appointing people from Bush's economic team.
He has doubled-down on Bush's NCLB with his own scheme to privatize public education with his race to the bottom, driving tens of thousands of teachers out of the public school system.

Don't you think he should, instead, be trying to differentiate himself from the opposition?

The biggest difference I have seen is he is smarter than Bush, so he is more capable of achieving Bush's goals than Bush was.

Bush did not manage to get SS on the table.

What is your master plan to heal the nation? Elequoent speeches don't do it for me. You know, like the
motivating speeches president Obama gave before his election.

He has not backed up any of his rhetoric with any substantial deeds.

But venting on a Democratic message board is not likely to sway the course of history.

The self destruction began just after the inauguration, I think. It dragged a bit after we lost the house, but its getting up a good head of steam now...

The psychology of it is interesting, as bad as it has been to watch. I think, to some extent, failure is much easier for many people to deal with, and (at least on an unconscious level) it is what they wind up structuring their behaviors to ensure. Having failed, one can relax - someone else is in the driver's seat, blame is easily assigned, negativity easily creates a mental world where there is no real opportunity, and no reason to extend any real effort toward anything. So many seem to be going...

right now, just wait until you get perry as pres.

In you haven't noticed no one here is the President, his is. So if you have misgivings about his chances of reelection maybe you should let him know.

then you're not thinking....and therefore, it doesn't really matter
how you walk....

then YOU'RE the one not thinking, lest you forget he will be a lame duck after 2012. If Obama wants my vote, he will have to EARN it. And that means building a consensus with progressives AT THE TABLE, not to their exclusion.

If that means President Perry, that's what it means. *I* will vote for a DEMOCRAT. Now if only you would support Obama actually ACTING like one...

Wow, what's YOUR winning strategy?

:rofl:

and he said....Aren't you supposed to be on a Liberal website?
He said....what you are reading to me sounds worse than Fox!

Little does he know! :rofl:

You set him straight, right?

and he doesn't march in perfect lockstep with me....
and I don't tell him what to think....
but I will tell you that he cares about what's coming next.
He always talks about folks needing to prepare, cause by the time
the GOP get back in office, no regular person is gonna be getting shit else.

he also said that anyone believing that Pres. Obama
has done anything so awful to the point that they no longer care about the
the supreme court, or Gay rights, or women's rights. means they truly hate him,
because nothing he has done should merit that kind of an extreme reaction.

NGU.

Yes, I did....although he doesn't really care that much.

I am not the one that needs to turn this mess INTO a winning strategy. I was one of those "irrelevant 15%'ers" when it mattered.

Don't come crying to me now.

I'll dance with who brings me.

I guess YOU think it's cool for him to cave to Republicans, but *I* am not a punk ass fool.

Most of the same players.....who are basically at the exact same point they were when they started, and no matter what happens or doesn't happen, they'll be right there....cause that is
all they know. Their bitterness doesn't allow them to move around to get to a better place....
It's a deep seated vindictiveness and it will never go away, no matter what. But it is what they have chosen for themselves, so they will have to live with that weird ass feeling of knowing that
they aren't fooling anyone. They cannot help themselves. At this point, it's become instinctive.

two and a half years ago - if not worse.

Unemployment is still through the roof - the real unemployment rate is over 20%, and there are pockets where it is close to 50%. And we got word today that it is not going to significantly improve til 2017.

You're surprised they are bitter?

Obama had a solid majority for two years and he pissed it away, on the wars and on privatizing the schools and letting the republicans set the agenda for the economy (while taking his advice from his REPPUBLICAN economic advisors).

If I wanted a republican running things, I'd have voted for one.

one man, they are telling themselves the truth.

Obama did not have the kind of solid majority for two years
that would pass the dream agenda that DUers had in mind.
That's just a lie.

As for who you vote for....again, I will assert as I was discussing with my husband...
anyone who is willing to throw away the Supreme Court, Gay Rights, Women's rights, and everything
else ...well that person simply has a pure hatred for Obama, as no one man can be
worth throwing everything away just out of spite. If those things don't mean as much as
showing Obama, who hasn't done anything that would reasonably merit
that kind of hatred (on either side)...and so perhaps it is something else...this emotion that would make one so willing to commit political suicide when things are actually progressing, even if it isn't happening to one's liking.

if she can't figure out how to keep her kids safe on the street after losing her apartment,

do you really think they give a good god damn about the Supreme Court?

Obama DID have two years, when he could have focused on jobs, jobs, jobs - and instead he dithered away a full year sort-of doing health-care while letting the republicans set the health care agenda.

He did NOTHING to change the trajectory of the Bush years. NOTHING.

Do I hate him? I don't know him. He seems like a nice guy. But the policies I hated under Bush I STILL hate under Obama.

He has not earned my vote. In fact, I want my donation money back.

but more than anything,
it does demonstrate your emotions
about the present state of affairs,
as it appears in your eyes.

Yes, from what you are saying, your biggest emotion is anger.
the hatred part comes in that you hate that Obama isn't the President
with the power that you wanted him to have and to use.
Problem is that he couldn't have ever been all of those things
you wanted except for in your twilight zone. But you have
talked yourself into believing that he had the power to give you
what you wanted, but that he wasn't interested in doing that.....
and that makes you angry.

You are obviously not a politically realistic person,
as you really do believe that Obama, by his lonesome,
could have given folks jobs, food, housing, health care, great education,
fixed the economy, equal rights, ended all wars, and all else that you believe was needed,
and it should have been done by now, or really close.

You feel like a victim because you have persuaded yourself
into believing that what you wanted, you should have had,
and because that's not what happened, you feel violated and angry.
You've already lived angry for 8 years under George Bush,
and because of that, you think you earned,
with that 2008 vote, and some donations, way, way more satisfaction
to mitigate that anger, but based on how you measure things, you don't
believe you are getting it, and now you are ready to throw all of your chips away.

I don't envy those emotions and feelings that you have. I know that you probably can't change them,
because you feel that way, and if you really believe what you are telling yourself....

So all I can do is wish you good luck.
Hope your anger one day subsides, and that you develop
a strategy in getting those things you so desperately want and need.
I hope that it works for you and that in the end
you get what you think you really should have.
Personally, I don't think that it is gonna happen,
but there's no harm in wanting....but certainly anger is not one of those emotions
that easy to contain and to maintain. Having only one life to live, I'm not sure
you are doing yourself any favors, unless it is simply the way that you are, and therefore,
you are able to deal with it fine.

Meanwhile, I will work politically in the way that I do,
with expectations that will not allow me to despair, or to harbor that kind of anger,
because I don't believe that it is the solution, nor is it a positive state of mind
to have for too long, although you may think so.

There is a part of me that doesn't believe that any true fixin'
will happen in the way that I want, during my lifetime. And because
I think that way, my emotions in reference to this particular President
are simply much different from yours.

Perhaps I knew that he would be limited, and that he wasn't going to turn everything upside down
and make it all better. There are many things that he has done that have helped me....
and help people that I know. Some are small things, some are large things, etc..
There is also a realization for me that there is still a very long
way to go. I've envisioned what is on the other side of the mountain top,
but I don't fully expect that I will get there with those who will, but that doesn't
make me angry....instead, it makes me want to work that much more so that in the future,
fewer people will have to feel what you are obviously feeling; angry.

Raleigh does not sound 'angry' and is certainly not driven by hatred. (I've read many of her posts and many of yours. ) I think you have wronged her in not respecting an honest difference of opinions.

What Obama has not focused on is pursuing an agenda -including forwarding legislation, working with Congress- which would bring jobs BACK to America. Candidate Obama claimed he would 'focus like a laser beam upon the economy.'

Things are getting worse for far too many people. No real Democrat who has posting for a long time on DU 'hates' Obama or hates him being President. You are confusing disappointment and honest disagreements with anger and hatred. That's not fair to other DUers.

Nobody expected 'miracles' to be performed by the President. Many expected less collaboration with bankers, Wall Street and the powerful corporations and more advocacy for the needs of the middle class, the poor, the elderly.

Even if people are occasionally angry when they feel they have been lied to or betrayed, anger can be channeled into positive activity. Anger is at least an energy, unlike the despair which leads to passivity. I tend to despair that anything's going to get much better. :( Sometimes it seems the deck is stacked, the game is fixed.

Because if we get someone like Perry in office who can pack the court with more right wing ideologues, then it's going to be even worse for you than it is now. The Supreme Court is a very powerful institution and everyone regardless of their circumstances should care about it.

the court even more to the right then we will probably have even more hungry people. All I'm saying is that the Supreme Court is important and that is one of the main reasons why Perry should not be elected president. And even if I were hungry I am sure that I would continue to feel the same way about it.

Democratic base as we all know. I think that the laws vary from state to state about establishing residence requirements to become eligible to vote. But I agree that homeless people should be able to vote.

The house under Nancy Pelosi passed 420 bills, the first one was the Paycheck Fairness Act, to help promote paycheck equity for women. They also passed many bills that were part of the progressive agenda. However, we did not have a veto proof senate and and we needed a stronger leader than Harry Reid to get these bills through the senate.

Obama did a lot of things wrong, but he did not appoint Harry Reid to run the senate and he did not control the razor thin senate majority that could not get any decent legislation passed.

Of course there are many of us disappointed in the difference between his campaign rhetoric and his actions but we are not prepared to hand our country to a bunch of racist, homophobic, sexist fundamentalists who want send this country back to the stone age, destroy women's rights, destroy unions, roll back child labor laws, do away with separation of church and state, allow corporations to write the laws the control our banking, commerce, environment, take away medical care for the poor and elderly, etc. (This is only a partial list.)

If you really do not understand the difference between an Obama and a perry presidency, I feel very sorry for you and I hope I never get the opportunity of saying "I told you so"

You just can't post this kind of logic around here anymore. A lot of people don't want to hear it or acknowledge it.

Never mind that it just may come down to that.

If it comes down to Perry vs. Obama and people are still not sure if they can bring themselves to vote for Obama? Deities help 'em. And help us get more voters to offset them.

see what has happened to my state (Texas) and I have made a vow to try to warn people what can happen if they do not take the perry threat seriously. That happened to me once when rove and bush took over my state. Yet when I try to make people here see this danger I get feedback which is amazingly antagonistic. No matter, I will continue to send out my warnings. If nothing else for the sake of my gsons.

and who will lift you up and encourage you
when you try to make a difference, PM me.

All I know is that no one person is worth sacrificing the Supreme court,
Gay Rights, women's rights or anything else for that matter. Anyone who
believes that their hate for Obama is worth all that.... simply
never really truly cared for those things to begin with,
or it means they are invested in their hatred more than in those ideals
and institutions.
It really is that simple.

duty to try to warn people of what they are putting in jeopardy.

Look at the responses. Some of them are so obsessed with being able to say "Obama brought this on himself" they don't much care about the implications of letting the REAL "third term" of GWB take place - or probably worse with a GOP WH and the Tea Party driving the House.

Unfortunately, you're talking to a wall. Look around at the posts that get the most recommendations. They won't be about actual progress, but about abstract ideas.

Some of us DO take the threat of another GOP idiot seriously and don't minimize it in a haze of Obama rage. Do take up the offer to PM and find some other outlets for your message.

your perceptive post.

and there does seem to be a deliberate obtuseness that dare I say rivals our opponents. I see a lot of low post count pilers on which seems explainable given that this is the beginning of an election cycle and many are probably just doing their assigned jobs. The common denominator, in my opinion is how the posts revolve solely around the individual, he disappointed ME, he has not earned MY vote, He does not do what I thought he should do, I will support him IF he adheres to what I think should be done. The posters never seem mention Republican transgressions they appear to have a laser like focus on what they see as the Presidents failings. Granted we all see things as they relate to us on an individual level but there is something really different about this. Perry would be a nightmare. Any logical rational person knows that.

the Very Sensible People explain that to us all the time. it's best to focus our efforts on electing dems to congress.

...this time around because that's what those Very Sensible People tell me is the most important.

NGU.

just because it could hurt Obama chances? Maybe he could stop caving into the Republicons and I will compromise by not bashing bad deals he has made with the Republicons.

and hope that your strategy works in gaining those things that
you obviously care so much about.

That's what I'm doing. Proceeding with my strategy that I think will
work best in gaining those things that I obviously care so much about.

When Weeper Boner goes on the air and say that he got 98% of what he wants, yes I'm going to bash the deal that gave him 98% of what he wants. I for one am tired of Obama's timid nature when it comes to dealing with those teabagging assholes. As Rep. Maxine Waters said "As far as I'm concerned the tea party can go straight to hell." All I want President Obama to do is to stand up and fight the Republicons. Hit them with the truth over and over again instead of the both sides have good ideas nonsense. The Republicons don't have any ideas, I doubt that they even have brains.

I'm working to get the things that I care about on the local level, because I have all but given up on the national politicians. Right now I'm working to get Chicago's Mayor Rahm Emanuel replaced by a progressive Democrat come the next Mayoral elections. The way he has gone after public employees is unacceptable. So I'm working for change at the local level.

Have you always been this negative?

and nothing is being done about it, it is hard to be positive. I know that Obama has been handed the results of 30 plus years of right wing policies. We have a worthless Senate and because of the elections of 2010 we have an House of Reps. that is even more useless than the Senate. I am more frustrated than angry.
When Obama does something that I do like I stand up and applaud it, but when Weeper Boner gets 98% of what he wants you're damn right I'm going to bash it.

some internet site.

Get a grip, let those sphincters relax a bit and perhaps remember that the President TOLD us to keep his feet to the fire.

He's a big boy, big enough to decide that he can chart a centrist path which is VERY DIFFERENT from the one I want him to take. Any lumps he takes from doing so will not be coming from my complaints on the 7593'rd most popular internet site according to the Ant downloader. They'll come from a LOT of people's opinions about THE JOB HE DID. He pays a LOT of people a LOT of money to get his message out there and so frankly my voice (used in this echo chamber only) will not matter.

Threads like yours get old and tiresome after a while. When a lot of these things were going down, the talk from people like you was SHUT UP, YOUR OPINION DOESN'T MATTER! Remember that? Felt GOOD at the time, didn't it? That was called hippie punching. Your style was a bit different from the President's consensus building, even though he didn't seem to care what I thought either.

Well now that things are looking a bit closer in the polls, you think you can take out a WHIP and BEAT ME into submission to support you. Forget it! The president aimed his policies at the INDEPENDENTS so why don't you go tell them what you just told me. Oh that's right, you actually would be afraid to cause you could turn them off. As a hippie, I am supposed to fall in line at your beck and call.

These posts are merely a way for you to get your own anxieties out there. Sorry, I'm not toooo interested in what you need to do for personal therapy.

You should thank your lucky stars that the day I step in the voting booth, I will be looking at the job the PRESIDENT did and not the job YOU did.

Because YOU failed on soooooo many fronts.

:applause:

then give us a reason to do so. Blackmail only goes so far.

I'm more worried about who is in the White House now and what he is doing than who will be in the White House 18 months from now.

Whatever is bashed, supported, or not supported here on DU does not have a huge effect on the real world and it's highly unlikely to impact the next election in any real way except for in the minds of DUers as we go around and around here.

DU is more of a support group where DUers come to vent and to preach to the choir and enjoy the amens in this refuge from the right. Nothing wrong with that. I just don't come to DU and delude myself I am seeing a reflection of America as a whole or even most Democrats. We like to believe that most people are like us but it takes insight to realize that is not really the case. Such is life.

You know very little of Texas politics.

Do you have a reason to support Obama other than fear?

If Obama doesn't get re-elected it will be no ones fault but his own. He's blown his first term sucking up to the right. He's gotten nothing in return for it. He's earned the distrust and anger of the people that voted for him the first time around. Now the only thing he has to campaign on is fear of the scary Rick Perry. Yeah Perry is scary, every republican is scary. On the other hand an ineffective appeaser that has double crossed his supporters the first time around is hardly and attractive option considering the mess we're in.

People wanted change in 2008. We're still waiting in 2011.

For progressives, it is a way of life. We live 'Hope & Change' on a daily basis, we know what it looks like, and we are NOT seeing it from the WH.

That right there is the damn truth. Thanks for putting that into words.
:hug:


Rp

I despise Perry and pretty much all of those GOP candidates.

I desperately want Obama to win for that reason alone. I also respect and support Obama and believe he is capable of great things.I hope he can find that greatness for the rest of his current term, and that it will win him a second one.

But I also think Obama is blowing it, and has been making too many bad calls and has some misguided views of what is needed, both politically and for getting the nation back on a more positive and balanced track. So he frustrates me and gets me angry on a regular basis. And he deserves to be criticized by all of us who he has let down in one way or another -- and he ought to be listening to constructive criticism from his supporters.

If you want to insist that is bashing, there's not much I can say to convince you otherwise. But I will say that criticizing Obama is not the same as putting some dickhead like Perry in office

all the way through this disastrous presidency, thanks.

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Are we ever going to see a progressive in the Whitehouse?

like 60-70% of Americans want at least a public option, not to be sold bodily to the insurers, not being stripped nude at airports, no cuts to SS and Medicare, peace instead of war, and punishing felons instead of rewarding them
he's not Tinkerbell, he's not Lincoln, TR, MLK, FDR, and Jesus rolled into one, he's not a pragmatic best hope for at least a little good change as opposed to a GOP takeover: he's a conservative Dem that people got emotionally invested in, blocking criticism of the terrible policies he pushes
the Kochs are behind the DLC, and the party at the national level has embraced Reagan and Powell-Doctrine policies--and blaming and threatening the dissatisfied is itself an element of the corporatist/cultish mentality

on edit: most of us aren't criticizing you for posting about Perry; we're criticizing you because you tell us to STFU, that "it could be better" (like saying, "pancreatic cancer is better than a glioblastoma, right?"), that criticism of bad policies will cause President Perry, and that we'll bear the blame for a President Perry

a lesbian for her being outspoken...they destroyed her...

I grew up in TX when GWB was governer and it wasn't pleasant then...

You speak the truth. This guy is dangerous and I don't think many get that he is beyond anything Junior could be.

The rest of the country elects not leaders, but Public Servants who are paid to serve the public. I'd also like to point out that with an election record like the Lone Star State's you have precious little standing to lecture others on how to elect Democrats to office. Your servile style fails to deliver victory, clearly. Round here, we speak our minds, and then elect Democrats. Y'all might want to try that on for size.

I like that. :thumbsup:

And I really don't like to go snarky like that, but I am very much sick of being told what to do to win elections by those who live in States where Republicans win all the elections. It defies all reason. The remedial students demanding to teach the class.

If you're pro-union right now you're anti-Obama... and I'm pro-union.

and I think he's unfairly criticized for some things here on DU and out in the real world, but he's not above criticism. In fact, he deserves it in some cases.

Criticism and bashing are two different things.

The best predictor of who is going to win is who is ahead of the fundraising race. And Obama is raising more money than all of the Republican candidates COMBINED. Frankly, Obama is a shoe-in to getting re-elected unless the economy collapses.

I'm guessing many people place a much higher priority on the courage of their own convictions rather than on authoritative fiat.

I won't criticize anyone for maintaining and acting on sincere ideals. I'd hazard your own political ideals would react unfavorably to an ultimatum proscribing your ethical standards. I imagine you might even find it rather presumptuous.

Often it helps to avoid conflating 'not being awake' and 'not the same sentiment.' There are in fact, precise and relevant differences between the two.

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I will not walk in lockstep based on some fear tactics employed by an anonymous person on the Internet. No matter how many of these types of messages are posted on DU and no matter who the bogeyman du jour is (Palin, Bachmann, Perry, etc.), I will vote for the person that I think is best for the job.

Besides, I live in a solidly red state, so it's not as if my vote for President matters. Unfortunately.

They can do other things alongside providing "support," including holding critical opinions at the same time.