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pat_k

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70. Yes, it is just a matter of perspective -- change from within,
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:51 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:29 AM - Edit history (1)

vs. change from outside.

Ultimately, it's not the vows not to support Clinton that sadden me, it's the tone contained in so many of those posts. So many express so much anger coupled with cynical disengagement that the effect is immobilizing. An effect I believe is at odds with Sanders' calls to action.

I should have made a clearer distinction between (1) "cyncial disengagement" posts and (2) posts that express a vow not to vote for Hillary (or vow to leave the Democratic Party) as part of a commitment to work for change from outside (and expressions of hope and confidence that change is possible). The problem is, I've seen very few examples of the latter.

The level of resistance to strategies aimed at bringing about change from within is fierce. The corrupting influence corporate money is a powerful force. But in my experience, an even more powerful force is group think. Years ago I participated in meetings with chiefs of staff in Corzine's and Lautenberg's offices. It was part of the effort to lobby members to object to the Ohio electors on January 6th, 2005. We worked with/tracked the efforts of people lobbying other Senators and Reps. (Later on, I was involved in similar projects working on impeachment and filibustering Alito.) In case of Corzine and Lautenberg, and a number of other members of Congress we kept track of, the senators/reps accepted the proposition that the Ohio electors were unlawfully appointed, but nevertheless were unwilling to commit to joining an objection. The rationalizations for inaction were almost universally some form of "can't win, so don't fight" or fear of "backlash."

Such beliefs and rationalizations for not "rocking the boat" are never challenged inside the beltway (or by the people "out here" who have internalized the rationalizations). Classic group think. The beliefs of the insular group just keep drifting further and further away from reality as those inside the insular group reinforce the increasingly irrational beliefs. In the beltway bubble, the irrationality manifests itself in a complete failure to recognize how damaging their refusal to demonstrate strength of conviction has been to the party. As Bill Clinton once said, "When people are insecure, they’d rather have somebody who is strong and wrong than someone who’s weak and right." This idea has been stamped out by a generalized, and irrational fear of "backlash," or some other vague terrible thing, that will befall them if they show some spine.

There are ways to effectively challenge the rationalizations, but it takes more than phone calls, faxes, and petitions. Those types of calls for action have been falling like water off a ducks back. They are dismissed, almost without thought, by the "can't win, so don't fight" or "impractical" or "backlash" rationalization. It takes a face-to-face lobbying effort. It requires more than going to "be heard" (which is how they try to run meetings with citizen action groups -- come in, we'll "hear you," then go away). Challenging requires back and forth. It requires persistent questioning and follow up that forces them to defend their indefensible positions. Forcing them to "hear themselves" in a way that challenges consensus beliefs that are otherwise never questioned.

The Sanders campaign constitutes a giant leap forward that can be leveraged. It is an example of the power of "strong and right."

Re: Who do these lobbyists work for, under what name or organization?

There are a variety of different ways to structure an organization. One approach would be to create a sort of consulting service for existing organizations like PDA and individuals who want to be more effective advocates of change. The organization would provide training and other services that support initiatives involving lobbying in face-to-face meetings. Strategies would be developed for a limited menu of issues at a given time. Campaign finance reform would be at the top of the list. The organization could help to coordinate activities of different groups, analyse outcomes and adjust recommended strategies accordingly. "Best practices" developed in each area would be published to support DIY efforts.

Different membership levels would be available for people/orgs who want to become "citizen lobbyists," those willing to provide monetary support to enable lobbying efforts, and those who just want to sign up to show their support for a given effort (a show of numbers represented). To be most effective, the organization would need to serve as a clearing house, publishing results of meetings and promoting reinforcing action on the part of supporting members.

The idea is to create a positive feedback loop of action and information. Too often we contribute to some organization and then get no feedback on the specifics of what is being achieved with those dollars. Without information on results, people are less inclined to join or continue to pay dues. Consistently providing that sort of feedback is difficult for groups that rely on over-stretched volunteers. Paid staff is required to provide the required services. Results of meetings, followups, petitions/letters delivered, and other activities need to be published in a way that makes it easy to find out what's going on -- who's being targeted on what issues, legislation being lobbied for, co-sponsors gained, summaries of meetings with transcripts of significant statements, coalition building activities, member recruitment, "headline news"...

The infrastructure necessary to provide services would need to be put in place before you start looking for "clients." It would require a solid business plan. Soliciting small individual contributions from "founding members" may not cut it. (Doing it that way would sort of be like having a service provider like Kinkos come around to collect money from people in a neighborhood in order to build the store.) Finding investors with deeper pockets may be necessary (perhaps even seek to involve Sanders in founding such an org).

Results of efforts are part of identifying "good" and "bad" members of the house and senate. The information would be out there for use by other groups involved in mounting challenges to incumbents. Building coalitions with such groups could be part of the effort.

Depending on the level of success, a "second phase" would be to recruit and train (and pay) some number of citizens lobbyists dedicated to serving a couple congressional districts, and to recruit supporting members from the districts served. A mechanism would be provided by which members help determine what lobbyists focus on -- whether they be federal, state, or local issues (perhaps having members vote to "hire citizen lobbyists" to focus on what they care about most). The initial districts would serve as a "proof of concept." If successful, the organization expands to other districts.

As far as name. Don't know. Any ideas?

With regard to working from outside through a non-partisan party. Some thoughts here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1859679



I am concerned about the line: LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #1
Why? The DNC has OPPOSED Bernie since the beginning Joob Apr 2016 #4
Because We Need Bernie Dem delegates Melissa G Apr 2016 #50
Me too- we can do it Apr 2016 #5
Why? What is sacrosanct about the Democratic Party? [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2016 #15
The democratic party is only words on paper Fairgo Apr 2016 #17
.+1 840high Apr 2016 #76
Not a problem for me, After being a registered Democrat for 37 years, the party purged Dragonfli Apr 2016 #23
Yea, right at the same time, they thanked me for my $50 contribution (to Bernie) and asked LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #24
It is a very easy step to use his information to try to poach supporters, to then purge them from Dragonfli Apr 2016 #31
this is a crazy story RazBerryBeret Apr 2016 #54
It's not so much the Democratic Party... malokvale77 Apr 2016 #25
I've always given to the DNC, but not THIS year. And never again as long as DWS is chair. Zen Democrat Apr 2016 #30
It's not just DWS. malokvale77 Apr 2016 #44
Exactly. DWS has become so toxic that I expect she won't be around too much longer. stillwaiting Apr 2016 #66
I can't leave it- it left me when Bill Clinton was in office nt LiberalElite Apr 2016 #51
Based upon my FB feed, the BoB movement is steadily growing. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #2
it's really hard to tell mooseprime Apr 2016 #6
Every bit of name calling, bullying and/or abuse has just made me stronger. malokvale77 Apr 2016 #33
mostly i think mooseprime Apr 2016 #3
From what I gather from the article is that they think millions are going to change bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #7
No, but it well push the party further to the right when HRC doesn't win the general. Like they LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #8
Well the thing is I think this year is different. Maybe they will listen to Bernie and our issues bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #9
Really I do not think it matters as long as someone is in the WhiteHouse that Wall Street likes. LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #10
Maybe it's time for people to say "enough" bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #12
Oh, I agree. We will see what happens in the next few weeks. I think Bernie has it as long as the LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #14
My ballot is mailed out tomorrow here in Oregon bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #20
This year IS different/sui generis/unique/once in a lifetime opportunity! Divernan Apr 2016 #82
Whose more conservative in the Democratic Party than Hillary Clinton? Zen Democrat Apr 2016 #32
There are a lot of local and state Democrats more conservative. Kim Davis was D until last year. LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #35
What's the difference? malokvale77 Apr 2016 #45
I don't think has, she changed to R so she wouldn't have to. LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #46
Just my opinion, but I think if the primary had been fair MissDeeds Apr 2016 #11
I agree bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #13
"riddled with corruption, voter suppression, and vote switching", what better reason to show up Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #16
I live in very red Kansas and I know people who are going MissDeeds Apr 2016 #19
They messed with the wrong group of people this time. Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #26
Thank you! MissDeeds Apr 2016 #27
My daughter is taking her vacation to be there. nt malokvale77 Apr 2016 #47
Agree completely. Nt azmom Apr 2016 #43
I can get behind it but I'm staying in to clean house. I called the Alaska Democratic Party roguevalley Apr 2016 #18
I would like to see the crowd outside at the police line chanting "The whole world is watching" LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #22
.... bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #21
I don't believe the superdelegates will make the rational choice of Bernie greymouse Apr 2016 #28
What we will do is... malokvale77 Apr 2016 #37
Yep. KPN Apr 2016 #77
I think a lot of supporters will show up at the Convention. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #38
yes, I have been remembering 1968 greymouse Apr 2016 #56
Yes, they are all bought and paid for. malokvale77 Apr 2016 #48
or that other group whose name I forget that's forming dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #57
take a look at facebook greymouse Apr 2016 #62
Oh, thanks, I don't do Facebook though. dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #63
most of my younger relatives are on it greymouse Apr 2016 #64
Yes I've been meaning to dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #65
here's another group greymouse Apr 2016 #67
Great find! dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #68
Interesting. leftcoastmountains Apr 2016 #29
Of course not. And that's why they have to go. Zen Democrat Apr 2016 #36
Please see my post #37 nt malokvale77 Apr 2016 #39
Why not TrueDemVA Apr 2016 #34
^^^ this ^^^ malokvale77 Apr 2016 #41
Welcome aboard. malokvale77 Apr 2016 #42
. LiberalElite Apr 2016 #52
I think it's a great idea. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #40
Very interesting idea. Hope it has been discussed with Bernie. senz Apr 2016 #49
Voting in Oregon in two weeks. Paka Apr 2016 #53
Threatening to withhold support for Hillary is NOT the way to be heard. pat_k Apr 2016 #55
So basically you want as many Bernie delegates at the convention as possible? dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #58
We get closer to realizing the goals by committing to stay in the fight. pat_k Apr 2016 #59
OK, but who here is arguing to not stay in the fight? dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #60
Yes, it is just a matter of perspective -- change from within, pat_k Apr 2016 #70
Citizen Activists noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #71
Fantastic. Thanks! pat_k Apr 2016 #72
My pleasure noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #73
Wow, thanks for all that dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #74
In case you missed it... pat_k Apr 2016 #75
But they are not threats. They are conviction! KPN Apr 2016 #78
I think it's a matter of perspective -- pat_k Apr 2016 #80
Lol!!!!!! KPN May 2016 #84
"If Clinton gets enough delegates in the primaries then there will not be a contested convention" magical thyme Apr 2016 #61
Yep. It ain't over 'til it's over. pat_k Apr 2016 #83
The alternatives are so dire felix_numinous Apr 2016 #69
It is clear to me that the Hillary forces SheilaT Apr 2016 #79
The question than becomes, what then? pat_k Apr 2016 #81
we're done with that strategy amborin May 2016 #85
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