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cbayer

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Sun Mar 17, 2013, 01:03 PM Mar 2013

Mississippi governor signs bill giving religion "limited public forum" in public schools [View all]

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http://www.goddiscussion.com/108018/mississippi-governor-signs-bill-giving-religion-limited-public-forum-in-public-schools/

BY DAKOTA O'LEARY
ON MARCH 17, 2013 AT 12:00 AM



Mississippi Republican governor Phil Bryant signed Senate Bill 2633 "Mississippi Student Religious Liberties Act of 2013" into law Thursday, giving what is termed a "limited public forum" to religion in public schools in the state. The bill states "A public school district shall not discriminate against students or parents on the basis of a religious viewpoint or religious expression. A school district shall treat a student's voluntary expression of a religious viewpoint, if any, on an otherwise permissible subject in the same manner the district treats a student's voluntary expression of a secular or other viewpoint on an otherwise permissible subject and may not discriminate against the student based on a religious viewpoint expressed by the student on an otherwise permissible subject." The bill also gives students the freedom to express their religious views in homework, art classes, and other written and oral assignments "free from discrimination," and students may also organize religious groups and activities before, during and after school. As may be guessed, legal experts believe that this bill will be challenged as unconstitutional. The Press Herald adds:

Bear Atwood, legal director for ACLU of Mississippi, did not attend the bill signing ceremony but told The Associated Press in a phone interview that she thinks the law "has serious constitutional issues." She said the ACLU will wait to see if there's proselytizing in public schools before deciding whether to file a lawsuit.

"At the end of the day, do I think there will be a legal challenge?" Atwood said. "Yes, which is unfortunate because it is not the governor or the Legislature that will get sued but the individual school district and that's not a very good way for them to spend their limited education dollars — especially given that this is a pretty well-settled area of law."

Bryant, who often talks about cutting government spending, said: "If we've got to spend taxpayers' money, I think we would be honored to spend it in defending religious freedoms for the people of the state of Mississippi."


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The devil is in the details, which I think is what the ACLU is saying... goldent Mar 2013 #1
Exactly skepticscott Mar 2013 #3
I think they may becoming more popular goldent Mar 2013 #5
It's certainly true that skepticscott Mar 2013 #7
Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #33
Someone isn't dealing with reality... cyberswede Mar 2013 #36
Wow...didn't even get to see that one skepticscott Mar 2013 #40
Your key words are... cyberswede Mar 2013 #41
Yeah, kinda figured that out skepticscott Mar 2013 #42
I'm not sure how this law changes anything, but others seem to think it does. cbayer Mar 2013 #6
I think that makes sense too. They should keep an eye on the situation. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #48
Agree. I'm going to defer to the ACLU on this at this point. cbayer Mar 2013 #49
My take. The two keystones of the 1st amendment in this situation are these - pinto Mar 2013 #11
The prevailing law skepticscott Mar 2013 #15
Yeah, I think we agree here. pinto Mar 2013 #23
Message auto-removed Ephesians4_15 Mar 2013 #31
Good grief! hootinholler Mar 2013 #32
FYI: AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service aikoaiko Mar 2013 #34
"freedom of the Christian Religion" hrmjustin Mar 2013 #35
I am just responding to check if my postings are coming up. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #39
Art etc is OK, but no religious clubs on school time nt Thats my opinion Mar 2013 #43
And the details are where it gets challenging... MADem Mar 2013 #45
I read the full text of the bill and it seems to apply totally to student's expression goldent Mar 2013 #46
Oh sure....the "mission creep," as it were, usually comes from the odd activist, looking to push the MADem Mar 2013 #47
I think the problem will come down to the level of academic vigor in science. freshwest Mar 2013 #2
Good points. While this is worded to sound like it might be an anti-discrimination cbayer Mar 2013 #8
Your question defines the problem - youth are more conformists - it's a survival skill. freshwest Mar 2013 #16
"students may also organize religious groups and activities before, during and after school" pinto Mar 2013 #4
Good pick up on the "during" part. cbayer Mar 2013 #9
I'd support a constitutional stance on all public funding of religious orgs in public schools. pinto Mar 2013 #13
Sounds like an entre porte arrière for church trolling in science class. nt rrneck Mar 2013 #10
That is how freshwest read it as well and you are most likely correct. cbayer Mar 2013 #12
I don't see it applying much to science goldent Mar 2013 #19
Some states are actually using textbooks that teach creationism and cbayer Mar 2013 #25
I didn't see this bill having affect on curriculum - although I didn't see the actual wording goldent Mar 2013 #27
Hopefully it is that benign and the ACLU is taking a wait and see attitude. cbayer Mar 2013 #28
If the box in exspanded to include a six day a creation, what then? nt Thats my opinion Mar 2013 #44
does "discrimination" include, e.g. a failing grade in biology? Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #14
That's a good question and may be the crux of this issue. cbayer Mar 2013 #17
No, and this is not a new problem goldent Mar 2013 #21
I had to look up the Cliff Clavin reference. cbayer Mar 2013 #22
Well, there's one of the issues skepticscott Mar 2013 #24
"... and those barriers, I believe, is a facade ...." Jim__ Mar 2013 #18
Lol. Mississippi schools already have serious problems, as you probably already know. cbayer Mar 2013 #20
Well, but who's "they"? skepticscott Mar 2013 #26
We don't know the background... TreasonousBastard Mar 2013 #29
Looking at who is backing it, I don't think they ever considered the Sikh, Jews or Muslims. cbayer Mar 2013 #30
I took a "Bible as Literature" class in college that a few Fundamentalist students made intolerable. hunter Mar 2013 #37
I guess a more experienced professor could have turned this into a lively debate... cbayer Mar 2013 #38
That's something which marymccord Jul 2013 #50
what does your link have to do with the topic of the OP? NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #51
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