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MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
46. Yes, we WILL always be deeply divided.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 11:03 PM
Aug 2013

My personal positions are:

I am not an advocate of non-violence. I am most certainly not, and never plan on being a pacifist. I like the statement Heinlein had one of his characters make in one his novels.

I am not a pacifist. Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty.

- John Joseph Bonforte,"Double Star" - Robert A. Heinlein.


Even if there were no 2nd Amendment at the Federal level, I would support and work for the RKBA at the state level. If my state did not have a RKBA in it's state Constitution, (Texas does), then I would move to a state that did. I believe I have a right to have the means to defend myself and my home with Lethal Force, against those who would seek to harm me, since the police can not be everywhere. I believe the best tool for that is a gun. I believe absolutely in the concept of the Castle Doctrine, without ANY Duty To Retreat from my own home. If a person forces their way into my home, then that person is there to do no good. I do not support the disarmament of the ordinary people in this county because some people do not like guns.

And in case you have sigs blocked in some fashion this is mine:

As long as guns are legal, and I may legally own them, am mentally and physically capable of using them properly and safely, I will do so. I will not be shamed, shunned, embarrassed or made to feel some sort of phony remorse into not owning guns. Not by anyone. Not for reason. If I ever reach the decision to not own guns, it will be solely on my own accord.
This is the future, gun folks. Get used to the new normal for you. CTyankee Jul 2013 #1
Gabby Giffords and her husband billh58 Jul 2013 #2
I will gladly admit I am one who thinks the Second Amendment IS the problem and needs to be CTyankee Aug 2013 #3
absolutely outdated jimmy the one Aug 2013 #4
sadly, we get the "pesky 2nd Amendment" song and dance from gun lovers here, which is why I am CTyankee Aug 2013 #5
I totally agree billh58 Aug 2013 #6
It is really evil when you remember how it used to be. CTyankee Aug 2013 #7
gun hoarding jimmy the one Aug 2013 #8
You and CTYankee have accurate memories as to gun ownership in years past. Paladin Aug 2013 #9
Honestly, I was going through my old photos, growing up in Texas...picture after picture CTyankee Aug 2013 #27
Again, that's how I tend to remember things. Better times. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Marengo Aug 2013 #55
What is healthier is the mindset and fantasies involving such changes. Paladin Aug 2013 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author Marengo Aug 2013 #59
This user recognizes willful obtuseness when he sees it. Bye-bye. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Marengo Aug 2013 #61
And yet another one billh58 Aug 2013 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author Marengo Aug 2013 #68
I'm not sure billh58 Aug 2013 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author Marengo Aug 2013 #73
Never mind, it's not worth being contentious Marengo Aug 2013 #74
I agree. n/t billh58 Aug 2013 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author Marengo Aug 2013 #69
I grew up in billh58 Aug 2013 #71
The 2nd needs to be stripped from the constitution mwrguy Aug 2013 #31
Sounds like a good cause for Christmas and Holiday donations BainsBane Aug 2013 #10
Notice how there are NO "reasonable" gun owners here at DU who claim to be in favor of gun safety CTyankee Aug 2013 #11
Actually, a few of them billh58 Aug 2013 #12
Talking about me again huh? tumtum Aug 2013 #13
I also love the way they "reject" the NRA, often saying they were once members but no more. CTyankee Aug 2013 #14
I reject the NRA, tumtum Aug 2013 #15
What is the Liberal Gun Club? CTyankee Aug 2013 #16
Here ya go. tumtum Aug 2013 #17
Its position on universal background checks? CTyankee Aug 2013 #19
In favor of. tumtum Aug 2013 #20
does it have a position on Gabby Giffords efforts for gun safety regulation? CTyankee Aug 2013 #25
We are favorable to the firearms safety regulations the tumtum Aug 2013 #29
Thank you. That sounds encouraging... CTyankee Aug 2013 #30
The "Liberal" billh58 Aug 2013 #23
Your wrong about the Liberal Gun Club. tumtum Aug 2013 #24
Aw, and just billh58 Aug 2013 #26
See what I mean? billh58 Aug 2013 #18
I'm not stalking, tumtum Aug 2013 #21
And, it seems that billh58 Aug 2013 #22
How can Gun Owners post here? MicaelS Aug 2013 #32
Read the SOP Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #33
I have read it, and I stand by my statement. n/t MicaelS Aug 2013 #34
Didn't see anything about debate in the SOP. Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #35
Yes, that is why I don't post here. MicaelS Aug 2013 #37
Well those last 2 sentences were NRA talking points Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #38
Really? Then you're not reading this thread. MicaelS Aug 2013 #39
Modifying is not overturning. Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #40
This isn't modifying, tumtum Aug 2013 #41
Then don't post here. ellisonz Aug 2013 #49
There are reasons for the divide. A major reason is the belief I hold and several others here hold, CTyankee Aug 2013 #36
Yes, we WILL always be deeply divided. MicaelS Aug 2013 #46
Wow! billh58 Aug 2013 #54
Nope, not angry, nor looking for a fight. MicaelS Aug 2013 #58
Your post 46 is a lot more convincing. Unfortunately. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #62
Yet you are so billh58 Aug 2013 #63
+1000. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #64
Incorrect. The current count of people blocked is 40. Robb Aug 2013 #42
This is what some of us billh58 Aug 2013 #43
Yeah, but he never posts here. Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #44
We did ask for a protected pro-gun group. MicaelS Aug 2013 #45
You don't like this group? DU? Take it up with Skinner. Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #47
You asked for a gun porn group. ellisonz Aug 2013 #50
Unreal BainsBane Aug 2013 #56
That's a 42.5% ban rate. ellisonz Aug 2013 #48
I'm a gun owner, and I post here. Paladin Aug 2013 #52
Exactly. They continually pretend they represent all gun owners BainsBane Aug 2013 #65
Gun OWNERS vs. Pro-Gun ACTIVISTS Paladin Aug 2013 #67
It's an important billh58 Aug 2013 #72
I own an "arsenal" that would make you blanch and I'm quite in favor of new laws thx. sir pball Aug 2013 #53
chump change to paranoid gun humpers Skittles Aug 2013 #51
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