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iverglas

(38,549 posts)
4. that all seems to be a bit of a mishmash (edited)
Thu May 3, 2012, 04:02 PM
May 2012

I admit to not having clicked, but was any thought at all given to the pressures on girls and women that consist of pressure to conform to an idealized/stereotyped image?

Plastic surgery, for instance, would seem to me to be as often an expression of profound insecurity as an expression of exaggerated self-love.

I think the author is playing a bit fast and loose with the terms. Personality disorders aren't just unpleasant personality traits. Narcissism is exaggerated self-love and self-absorption. Narcissistic personality disorder centres on the individual's disregard for others; it is the least severe on the continuum that goes through antisocial personality disorder and up to psychopathy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malignant_narcissism#Spectrum_of_pathological_narcissism_and_psychopathy

Kernberg believed that malignant narcissism should be considered part of a spectrum of pathological narcissism, which he saw as ranging from the Cleckley's antisocial character (today's psychopath or antisocial personality) at the high end of severity, through malignant narcissism, and then to narcissistic personality disorder at the low end.[7] The malignant narcissist thus represents a less extreme form of pathological narcissism than psychopathy. Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder, malignant narcissism, and psychopathy all display similar traits which are outlined in the Hare Psychopathy Checklist. (The traits in the checklist are common amongst individuals with psychological disorders. The psychopath/malignant narcissist must display a strong tendency towards these characteristics.)


I think I'd tend to diagnose the Facebook denizens and their cool stuff as shallow, rather than tending toward NPD.
(Oops; NDP is the party I vote for.)


edit - I think the Mayo list of traits associated with the disorder are too non-specific, and they really aren't valid for a diagnosis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist

The two factors
<Factor 1 is labelled "selfish, callous and remorseless use of others". Factor 2 is labelled as "chronically unstable, antisocial and socially deviant lifestyle".>

Factor 1: Personality "Aggressive narcissism"

Glibness/superficial charm
Grandiose sense of self-worth
Pathological lying
Cunning/manipulative
Lack of remorse or guilt
Shallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric)
Callousness; lack of empathy
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

Factor 2: Case history "Socially deviant lifestyle".

Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
Parasitic lifestyle
Poor behavioral control
Lack of realistic long-term goals
Impulsivity
Irresponsibility
Juvenile delinquency
Early behavior problems
Revocation of conditional release

Traits not correlated with either factor

Promiscuous sexual behavior
Many short-term marital relationships
Criminal versatility
Acquired behavioural sociopathy/sociological conditioning (Item 21: a newly identified trait i.e. a person relying on sociological strategies and tricks to deceive)




symptoms. seabeyond May 2012 #1
That describes 50% or more of the college students I see every day Rambis May 2012 #2
Before I clicked the heading... MadrasT May 2012 #3
you know what is really funny? i found myself going to this subject after reading h/m just now seabeyond May 2012 #9
that all seems to be a bit of a mishmash (edited) iverglas May 2012 #4
You've got such a good point, along the same lines Lionessa May 2012 #5
Agreed. MadrasT May 2012 #17
there is always the caretaker in the family. does not have to be a parent. seabeyond May 2012 #19
I started reading this, but got bored quickly since it wasn't about me. jeff47 May 2012 #6
lol. you are funny. nt seabeyond May 2012 #10
Didn't John Edwards say that he did the things he did because of narcissim? Baitball Blogger May 2012 #7
i dont know, but would certainly jive with what i have seen of the man. nt seabeyond May 2012 #11
I don't know anything about the source, but I don't think this was the only place I read it. Baitball Blogger May 2012 #13
It says Satire right on the tab at the top of the browser. JTFrog May 2012 #20
Because this may not have been the original place I had seen it. Baitball Blogger May 2012 #21
It is turning up in other places. Baitball Blogger May 2012 #22
Not probably satire. Definitely satire. JTFrog May 2012 #23
I'm thrilled that I was able to remotely remember something that Baitball Blogger May 2012 #24
This is an important post IMHO. glinda May 2012 #8
I think our whole mediated and advertising-saturated culture nurtures it. nt raccoon May 2012 #12
Article linking Facebook & narcisissm MadrasT May 2012 #14
phew! iverglas May 2012 #15
Yeah, people were running around saying MadrasT May 2012 #16
me? i dont know. what i know is all of this is new, our kids brains developing and i KNOW all the seabeyond May 2012 #27
i know that my generation was raised differently than the past and my parents generation seabeyond May 2012 #28
Its all about me. jonthebru May 2012 #18
I first started reading about this in 2004. When I read the book, "The Sociopath Next Door," BlueIris May 2012 #25
If you have known a narcissist then you know how emotionally and psychologically glinda May 2012 #26
I've met one. BlueIris May 2012 #30
"For example, with parenting, in an attempt to raise kids with self-esteem-- eridani May 2012 #29
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