2016 Postmortem

daybranch

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55. Even Hillary is careful not to use Progressive too broadly

Sat Dec 26, 2015, 08:23 AM

Dec 2015

to describe herself. You can try to imbue her with qualities you desire but it ain't reality. To mention woman as you did in this case is gender bias, period. Hillary is no progressive. You should have just said I am voting for a woman who while calling them family issues is trying to turn women against men in the family.

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DUers Overwhelmingly Believe that Oligarchs are our Biggest Threat [View all] demwing Dec 2015 OP

Rec'd farleftlib Dec 2015 #1

So very very true. Nt newfie11 Dec 2015 #52

Hillary Clinton is the ONLY candidate capable of defeating the GOP Teabagger mentality. FarPoint Dec 2015 #57

Not What The REAL Numbers Say! CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #74

WHO BTW IS OVERWHELMINGLY THE CANDIDATE OF THE OLIGARCHY? CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #75

Obviously Hillary. Fuddnik Dec 2015 #77

Hillary has never been coporation head: She has always worked for the middle class lewebley3 Dec 2015 #113

I guess she didn't kiss the Waltons' rear ends enough while on Walmart's board?... cascadiance Dec 2015 #115

Hillary has been working for the middle class: The Clinton's budgets were middle class lewebley3 Dec 2015 #196

How is supporting economic royalist interest serving H-1B indentured servant program doing that?... cascadiance Dec 2015 #197

Hillary is not an economic royalist:She is a Dem: the heir to FDR lewebley3 Dec 2015 #198

She certainly takes more money from them than Bernie. Why would they give to her... cascadiance Dec 2015 #199

You're either delusional or void of the facts. I will go with void of information. JRLeft Dec 2015 #138

Fact: is Hillary almost never worked in the private sector: she has been in public ser lewebley3 Dec 2015 #192

You tried to sell everyone on the fact that she isn't bought and paid for. JRLeft Dec 2015 #201

Walmart ring a bell? AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #180

She didnt own or run the company: she had curtsy position only lewebley3 Dec 2015 #191

The board of directors runs the company AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #193

The board doesn't run the company: The Family does and the profits go to the family lewebley3 Dec 2015 #195

So Wal-Mart paid her to do this on their board all of this time cascadiance Dec 2015 #200

That is right: board membership was curtsy position; The CEO' ran Walmart lewebley3 Dec 2015 #202

If there is ONLY ONE PERSON who can possibly defeat Cruz or Trump, we're truly fucked. n/t arcane1 Dec 2015 #112

Another DURec. bvar22 Dec 2015 #108

All I can say- ruffburr Dec 2015 #2

I thinks so too daybranch Dec 2015 #56

Agreed, but you forgot "BOO! Terrorists" on M$M to feed MIC <--supports Hillary 100% nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #3

+ 1000 orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #5

Huge +1! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #64

Not the ones with the nifty H as their avatar . For the TPP, MIC " Partnering with corporations " if orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #4

K and effing R Scuba Dec 2015 #6

Jay Gould: I can pay half the working class to kill the other half leveymg Dec 2015 #7

And there you have why the country is in the state it's in Doctor_J Dec 2015 #8

They want nothing less then total hegemonic control ValasHune Dec 2015 #9

We can not afford Hillary Clinton. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #10

Oh now you are stuck in fear base mode.... FarPoint Dec 2015 #58

As you preach fear. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #67

I've heard this assertion chervilant Dec 2015 #71

Sanders is a good man with excellent goals for " We the People "... FarPoint Dec 2015 #85

#1) ALL the polls disagree with you. bvar22 Dec 2015 #110

Tell that chervilant Dec 2015 #119

You can wish and hope until your blue in the face... FarPoint Dec 2015 #131

Yeah, I believe that meme chervilant Dec 2015 #135

I reject the basis of your premise. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #133

We can't count on her or her supporters if someone else is the nominee? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #101

She'll need an army to win, as she is WORSE in the polls against the GOP than Bernie! cascadiance Dec 2015 #116

This is how Hillary would respond if she were honest... AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #11

More of the public now is "getting the glasses" needed to see through the DLC types now! cascadiance Dec 2015 #117

Feh! It's a boogy man. Over-used and dilluted to the point of being absolutely meaningless. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #12

No it's astroturfing..... Mbrow Dec 2015 #13

It's not used enough. Or well enough explained. And it certainly Isn't an exaggeration. cali Dec 2015 #60

#feh NurseJackie Dec 2015 #70

Your beads are showing. Fuddnik Dec 2015 #81

insightful as your average nurse Jackie post. cali Dec 2015 #84

Nurse Jackie the tv show Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #90

John Mitchell was right. Fuddnik Dec 2015 #80

We can still vote treestar Dec 2015 #103

Except to a small percentage... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #68

Yes. It's proven that we have no oligarchs treestar Dec 2015 #102

Thank You For Sharing These Truths cantbeserious Dec 2015 #14

But she has told me what I ejbr Dec 2015 #15

People who support the patriarchy, and accuse women of "playing the gender card" pnwmom Dec 2015 #16

Hillary is part of the problem, not part of the solution, pretty easy to see for most of us. dreamnightwind Dec 2015 #17

Fiorina and Hillary are night and day. No comparison at all. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #20

Yeah, so? dreamnightwind Dec 2015 #32

A progressive woman can vote for another progressive woman, like HRC, and be happy pnwmom Dec 2015 #35

Even Hillary is careful not to use Progressive too broadly daybranch Dec 2015 #55

Her record in the Senate made her one of the most progressive Senators there. pnwmom Dec 2015 #76

? Fuddnik Dec 2015 #83

Sorry, but many of us unemployed tech workers are insulted that someone supporting H-1B... cascadiance Dec 2015 #120

When has the last time she has supported increasing H-1b visas? pnwmom Dec 2015 #122

Umm. Now her NOT speaking to the current issues that almost every other candidate has... cascadiance Dec 2015 #125

You are mischaracterizing Bernie's position on h-1B visas. He isn't against h-1B visas. pnwmom Dec 2015 #130

Umm, what do YOUR words "And even Bernie supported them then." mean then? cascadiance Dec 2015 #136

Bernie has never stated that he would eliminate them, only that he wouldn't raise the cap. pnwmom Dec 2015 #137

If H-1B were true to the original intent of the program, I'd probably support it too... cascadiance Dec 2015 #146

I completely agree with you about the problems with the program pnwmom Dec 2015 #149

Bernie's been very specific about what he has problems with there... cascadiance Dec 2015 #169

I think "night and evening" is more like it. n/t Ron Green Dec 2015 #33

And you think the solution to the patriarchy is: evaluate candidates not based on issues but gender? JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #19

No. That's why I wouldn't vote for Fiorina. But I think it is fine for gender pnwmom Dec 2015 #21

Gender nor race are not qualifications. This is the shit we accuse Republicans of. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #22

I disagree. I watched African Americans rejoice in the streets when another African American pnwmom Dec 2015 #23

Well, if you can point out mention of such things like "inspiration" in Article II I'll concede JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #24

The people who wrote the Constitution purposely denied all women the vote. pnwmom Dec 2015 #25

Therefore, we must ignore the constitution's mandate for presidential duties. Got it. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #27

What "mandate for Presidential duties" are you talking about? pnwmom Dec 2015 #28

Fact: The President has certain duties and responsibilities JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #30

I already told you that Article 2 doesn't mandate that men must be President. pnwmom Dec 2015 #36

Sure, you can have your opinion. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #38

In the same way that Affirmative Action programs are racist, I suppose. pnwmom Dec 2015 #39

Well, the supreme court is hearing a case that will decide the future of Affirmative Action. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #42

The Supreme Court? The same one that wrote Citizens vs. United? pnwmom Dec 2015 #44

I did not say that.... JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #47

Look at the condescending replies you've received! betsuni Dec 2015 #29

You misunderstand me. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #31

Oh right. It's fine to pay lip service to the idea that women should be represented pnwmom Dec 2015 #37

I would vote for Liz Warren in a heartbeat. Hillary Clinton? Never in a million years. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #40

Is Affirmative Action racist? Affirmative action considers race as one of the factors, pnwmom Dec 2015 #41

I answered your question above. How about you answer my question from post #40 in turn? JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #49

You're only interested in voting for the woman who's not interested in running pnwmom Dec 2015 #79

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #86

Nice backhanded way of calling Jon a sexist davidpdx Dec 2015 #139

It IS one of the criteria for many of us. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #53

Fiorina and Clinton aren't even close. But Clinton and Warren are. pnwmom Dec 2015 #54

Clinton & Warren are political OPPOSITES. senz Dec 2015 #158

Nonsense. If Warren thought that, she wouldn't have signed the letter pnwmom Dec 2015 #161

R U kidding? Every female Dem in the Senate signed it. senz Dec 2015 #162

No one forced Elizabeth to do the interview last year or say, "Hillary is terrific." pnwmom Dec 2015 #163

To refuse to say something positive would have been stupid. senz Dec 2015 #164

Oh, I see. Warren's dishonest. Just a typical politician then. pnwmom Dec 2015 #165

No. Polite. Plays by the rules. senz Dec 2015 #166

That's not what you'd be saying about Hillary if she called someone "terrific" pnwmom Dec 2015 #167

Uncalled-for accusation. senz Dec 2015 #168

Some inconsistencies just can't be Skidmore Dec 2015 #173

Um, "Margaret Thatcher". That is all. truebluegreen Dec 2015 #78

Adolph Hitler was a man. Does that rule out all men? nt pnwmom Dec 2015 #184

Nope. Doesn't rule them in either. truebluegreen Dec 2015 #186

I don't think her gender is sufficient reason to vote for her, which is why I pnwmom Dec 2015 #188

Rec Lil Missy Dec 2015 #178

Agree, K & R dreamnightwind Dec 2015 #18

Someone here told me that this was the core thought... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #26

You should count President Carter in there too. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #34

Stawman argument. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #61

Nope not a strawman. You were characterizing this as a belief common to many Sanders supporters, JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #88

Yes, we have many problems, but this one is the most fundamental. senz Dec 2015 #43

"Hillary supporters, try to understand this. Think about it." Condescending much? pnwmom Dec 2015 #45

Not in the least. I see a refusal, not inability, to think about it. senz Dec 2015 #46

I think it is important for you to realize that a President Sanders pnwmom Dec 2015 #48

Wow! a 100% deflection and failure to apologize misplaced accusations of condescension. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #89

We Hillary supporters are redstateblues Dec 2015 #96

The truth hurts doesn't it? davidpdx Dec 2015 #141

Your wasting your breath on deaf ears davidpdx Dec 2015 #140

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #50

DU is no longer even remotely reflective ... NanceGreggs Dec 2015 #51

DU is a near perfect real world cross section of America. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #63

Hardly. DU is a bubble dominated by Bernie supporters redstateblues Dec 2015 #97

I have yet to meet a real world person treestar Dec 2015 #105

Same here. NanceGreggs Dec 2015 #118

Remember when DU was convinced that President Obama ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #132

Who is this Mr. or Ms. DUers of whom you speak. I keep seeing his/her opinions referenced here. randome Dec 2015 #59

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #62

Way to talk about your abuela!! FlatBaroque Dec 2015 #65

Not MY abuela! demwing Dec 2015 #95

I reject the notion that "Oligarchs" exist in out nation. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #66

Did you not learn ANYTHING from The Hunger Games???? randome Dec 2015 #72

I am supposed to learn something from very poorly written speculative fiction????? eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #73

No doubt other oligarchs would agree with that analysis of this POPULAR work of fiction... cascadiance Dec 2015 #123

. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #124

So what is YOUR basis that these were "poorly written" pieces of fiction other than your OPINION!! cascadiance Dec 2015 #126

Okay, I did learn one thing from these poorly written pieces of speculative fiction. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #128

President Carter disagrees. Perhaps become acquainted with the arguments and facts and make an OP? JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #91

I am familiar with the arguments MohRokTah Dec 2015 #92

Ok, enjoy your oligarchy. Some of us realize that Congress is bought & paid for by special interests JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #93

No thank you, I'll enjoy my more than two century old Democratic-Republic, thankyouverymuch. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #99

I see you think Carter is using "wild rhetorical devices" when opining on American Democracy. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #100

He's a politician. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #104

He is retired. He has no need to be elected again, so he is free to speak his mind freely. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #107

Leopards do not change spots. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #109

So Hillary is still for Invading Iraq, and in support of NAFTA? demwing Dec 2015 #185

that's just overcynical treestar Dec 2015 #147

You don't make the "rules". Suggesting he/she needs reasons to disagree with you is BS. Lil Missy Dec 2015 #179

I thought it was the corporatists, Neo Libs, Third wayers, DINOs redstateblues Dec 2015 #98

It's great that you can be so blind to what is happening in our country davidpdx Dec 2015 #142

Claiming Oligarchs control this nation is akin to moon landing denial. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #143

Wow, so Robert Reich is a conspiracy theorist davidpdx Dec 2015 #145

Let's be realistic, please answer the following demwing Dec 2015 #189

Your questions are meaningless signifying nothing. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #190

wonder if you could explain how a "Oligarch Clinton" can "control" an entire country? Sunlei Dec 2015 #69

Wonder if you could explain why I should explain your made up quote? demwing Dec 2015 #82

you made-up "Oligarch Clinton"? how is she a Oligarch? Sunlei Dec 2015 #87

Sunlei, you've been active on DU for 4 years, with over 12k posts demwing Dec 2015 #94

We still have a Republic not an Oligarchy treestar Dec 2015 #129

There is evidence of oligarch, it is by a those who wants to rule the DNC, it will not happen. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #106

THIS DUer believes that Global Climate Change is our biggest threat, bvar22 Dec 2015 #111

If you replace the word "oligarch" with "big government" Bleacher Creature Dec 2015 #114

Right - Racists, Theocrats, and Oligarchs don't pose a threat demwing Dec 2015 #127

I guess I must be underwhelmed, then DFW Dec 2015 #121

You are one of the few on DU who is level-headed these days davidpdx Dec 2015 #144

Money does need to vanish from electoral funding DFW Dec 2015 #148

I agree with you on the last paragraph davidpdx Dec 2015 #159

Now THERE's an interesting constitutional question. DFW Dec 2015 #171

Yep, it's a far fetched scenario, but it would be fun to see it play out davidpdx Dec 2015 #172

Unless one of the evil ones dies or retires DFW Dec 2015 #174

I doubt it would happen while he's in office davidpdx Dec 2015 #187

Reason #764,976,925 that DU does not represent even a signficant minority of Americans Number23 Dec 2015 #134

I've heard people say that DU is not the general public. Maybe so. I don't know. liberal_at_heart Dec 2015 #150

I think we need to create a knowledge center on this site. underthematrix Dec 2015 #151

Because if people were only informed better then everybody would think the liberal_at_heart Dec 2015 #152

No. I think they would be better able to make a more cogent argument. underthematrix Dec 2015 #153

And the arguments that Hillary is the only electable candidate and that liberal_at_heart Dec 2015 #154

HRC is the most qualified 2016 presidential candidate running underthematrix Dec 2015 #155

Her being the most qualified candidate is your opinion. liberal_at_heart Dec 2015 #156

of course it's my opinion based on her education, underthematrix Dec 2015 #157

Held one (1) elected position based on her famous name senz Dec 2015 #160

Most recent presidents were either govs or US senators underthematrix Dec 2015 #170

demwing, this thread shows how uninterested some DUers are in the subject. senz Dec 2015 #175

" I think our best bet is to set them aside and move onward." Lil Missy Dec 2015 #177

"set them aside..." demwing Dec 2015 #181

Well I am sorry to have subjected you to their nonsense. senz Dec 2015 #182

No apology required! demwing Dec 2015 #183

And DU doesn't reflect reality, or "the REAL world". Lil Missy Dec 2015 #176

You have to fight oligarchs to be able to do anything about institutional racism. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #194