2016 Postmortem

pnwmom

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35. Obama only had one-tenth of 1% more votes than HRC.

Fri Dec 25, 2015, 02:31 AM

Dec 2015

Last edited Fri Dec 25, 2015, 04:01 AM - Edit history (1)

"NY voted for her and got her into office, but no one else did."

Final vote count: Obama: 48.0%, Clinton: 48.1%

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

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If we get to Philly and the polls STILL show Bernie doing better than HRC against the GOP... [View all] Ken Burch Dec 2015 OP

The polls reflect an unvetted, unknown candidate with a mysterious past that most Americans MADem Dec 2015 #1

You think so? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #39

Neither. I KNOW so. nt MADem Dec 2015 #41

When will you be releasing your time machine to the public? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #43

Muahahahaha....ne-VAH!!!! MADem Dec 2015 #47

Nice mullet Scootaloo Dec 2015 #48

Ha ha ha - that's funny as hell! MADem Dec 2015 #50

Unvetted? AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #52

Obama went through fire, and he had help from key demographics in the Democratic universe MADem Dec 2015 #76

Obama fits your post to a tee AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #93

Obama was vetted DURING the primary process. MADem Dec 2015 #94

Suit yourself AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #95

I agree and I love Bernie rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #59

yet - early on - I have always seen the better known karynnj Dec 2015 #86

"I think the more his past becomes part of his narrative," pangaia Dec 2015 #103

I'll be at the convention here in Philly. onehandle Dec 2015 #2

She won't have 90% and your dismissive smugness is unjustified. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #3

The vast majority of delegates will be committed to their candidate, pnwmom Dec 2015 #29

Because that is nonsense rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #60

to me, the polls that say the most, are the HRC polls vs the GOP karynnj Dec 2015 #89

Do they say the most because they are the most accurate onenote Dec 2015 #98

I am not happy with what I see as a potentially tough race karynnj Dec 2015 #100

I would hold your reservations to Philadelphia, unless you intend to support Bernard Sanders Furrfu Dec 2015 #5

TPTB will try to take it away from Bernie because he will spell the end of their total control over Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #34

I live in Philly. No reservations required. onehandle Dec 2015 #38

Under what party? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #40

I may be there too. liberalnarb Dec 2015 #8

Since no one has voted yet... Agschmid Dec 2015 #19

It could merely be a difference between misogynists refuse voting for a woman. SO? We ought to not seabeyond Dec 2015 #4

Ah, this must be the "Gender Nusiance" Group Furrfu Dec 2015 #7

Is this the part where Bernie supporters start getting called sexist? liberalnarb Dec 2015 #9

Sexist? I thought we were racist and homophobic and kick old people and Cub Scouts and puppies Ken Burch Dec 2015 #16

Homophobic?? Racist? liberalnarb Dec 2015 #18

They've thrown both of those at us. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #21

No. Not unless they start talking about "playing" the "gender card." pnwmom Dec 2015 #67

It's right-wingers who won't vote for a woman or a poc, not Sanders supporters. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #13

They will vote for a woman, but only if she herself hates women. liberalnarb Dec 2015 #20

OT but Bella Abzug would have been a totally awesome President, as KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #78

Agreed. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #104

that is as legitimate as claiming Hillary supporters are motivated by anti-Semitism Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #25

You're making some amazing leaps of logic there. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #42

Why won't you vote for the first Jewish candidate with a real shot at the Presidency? stillwaiting Dec 2015 #79

^^^this!^^^ peacebird Dec 2015 #87

The issue? That Sanders cannot get close to Clinton in the Democratic primary. Yet, it is suggested seabeyond Dec 2015 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Dec 2015 #97

Honeymoon in Moscow? redstateblues Dec 2015 #6

Sister Cities. Furrfu Dec 2015 #10

Maybe it was set up to get the trip paid, hum, i wonder why this happened Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #14

Because you know how cheap those people are, amirite? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #26

"Trust me" Bernie said," It was a very strange honeymoon" redstateblues Dec 2015 #17

One of my university professors honeymooned in Russia HoneychildMooseMoss Dec 2015 #22

He calls it a honeymoon, so it doesn't matter what you would call it. pnwmom Dec 2015 #65

Does that somehow make your toes curl? haikugal Dec 2015 #15

Haven't you heard? They're after our precious bodily fluids! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #32

You win the tubes!! haikugal Dec 2015 #45

You must be sad you missed the McCarthy era. artislife Dec 2015 #30

Bernie will never get past Super Tuesday redstateblues Dec 2015 #11

That's what they said in 2008 Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #24

It will be a definite victory of delegates for Hillary, the direction will Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #12

So we should disregard the choice of the Democratic voters? brooklynite Dec 2015 #23

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #74

Why would Bernie be nominated gwheezie Dec 2015 #27

Wishful thinking? n/t JunkyardAngel83 Dec 2015 #44

Exactly rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #62

Republicans won't dictate my vote. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #28

Hillary was vetted and lost last time (the Only time) she was on a National stage artislife Dec 2015 #31

Clinton lost against one of the best campaigners we have ever seen. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #33

I am saying that nationally, we already have rejected her once. artislife Dec 2015 #46

You seem to be saying I said something I never did. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #57

Oh...you didn't write this? artislife Dec 2015 #91

She barely lost, by 1/10 of a percent, to a candidate who had very strong pnwmom Dec 2015 #69

Obama only had one-tenth of 1% more votes than HRC. pnwmom Dec 2015 #35

It still goes without saying that she would have done much worse in the fall in '08. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #51

Wrong. It goes without saying that millions of women would have been thrilled pnwmom Dec 2015 #53

I give women a lot more credit than you apparently do. Scuba Dec 2015 #54

It doesn't discredit anyone to support Hillary any more than it discredits pnwmom Dec 2015 #56

Your suggestion that women will vote for Hillary because she's a woman is degrading. Shame on you. Scuba Dec 2015 #58

Hardly. When black people were thrilled to vote for Barack Obama, that wasn't degrading. pnwmom Dec 2015 #61

Yes, unfounded assertions should go without being said (what with being unfounded) mythology Dec 2015 #75

delete (dupe) pnwmom Dec 2015 #66

That's not how it works. We got rid of smoke-filled rooms run by party bigwigs long ago. pnwmom Dec 2015 #36

Yes rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #63

Can't ignore the will of rank and file creeksneakers2 Dec 2015 #37

Lol whut? rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #64

Please see Post 49 and 70 DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #71

Small matter of etiquette that may be revelatory of something deeper, but KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #80

I treat people the way they treat me. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #82

So you're disrespectful to Senator Sanders because he KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #83

I don't think I was being disrespectful toward the senator DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #84

Can someone please provide the empirical evidence for this observation in light of this: DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #49

And this DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #70

Whoever gets the most delegates rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #55

Sadly if Hillary is our nominee we will lose the White House peacebird Dec 2015 #88

Sadly rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #101

Most experts didn't see Obama winning at this stage of the 2008 cycle either peacebird Dec 2015 #102

Plenty did rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #105

LOL! peacebird Dec 2015 #106

I recommended this on the basis of 1968. mmonk Dec 2015 #68

Once the nomination is mathematically wrapped up, those polls won't exist. firebrand80 Dec 2015 #72

K&R for truth. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #73

She is our generation's Adlai Stevenson. - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #77

^^^This.^^^ 99Forever Dec 2015 #81

Vetted and rejected. nt artislife Dec 2015 #92

Does your OP also mean if Hillary gets the majority of the delegates and arrives at the convention Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #85

Oh good fucking grief. Codeine Dec 2015 #96

As soon as a candidate has enough delegates there won't be polling with the other candidates. tammywammy Dec 2015 #99