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2016 Postmortem

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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 02:34 PM Dec 2015

Politifact: Bernie's claim that his campaign didn't take Hillary's data is MOSTLY FALSE [View all]

It might feel like pure inside baseball, but the data breach that gave the Bernie Sanders campaign staff access to some of the Hillary Clinton campaign’s voter information goes to the heart of modern elections.

At stake are the details that tell a campaign who is persuadable to the cause, and who’s likely to actually come out and vote.

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"As a result of a breach caused by the DNC vendor, not by us, information came into our campaign about the Clinton campaign," Sanders said Dec. 20, 2015.

"Magically," asked Todd?

"We didn't go out and take it," Sanders replied.


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Experts familiar with the Democratic voter data base say that the Sanders campaign would have gleaned valuable information. At the end of the day, they knew some things about the Clinton campaign that they hadn’t known before, even if they didn’t seek to crack into the Clinton data.

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We rate Sanders’ claim that the campaign didn’t "go out and take" information as Mostly False.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/22/bernie-s/Sanders-take-Clinton-voter-data/

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Mostly false, which means falsehood telling Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #1
Experts familiar with the Democratic voter data base say that the Sanders campaign... Human101948 Dec 2015 #36
Pure Fucking Establishment Media PROPAGANDA! CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #81
Another corporate controlling entity, designed to smear those who would get in their way. ViseGrip Dec 2015 #60
Not true. It's owned by the non-profit non-partisan institute that was set up pnwmom Dec 2015 #65
Politifact is more political than facts. Not without bias and not well informed leveymg Dec 2015 #78
Yeah, in your opinion. But they can back up their very fair analysis pnwmom Dec 2015 #82
"As a result of a breach caused by the DNC vendor, not by us, information came into our campaign... BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #2
You think each candidate's data existed in a separate file? Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #26
LOL pnwmom Dec 2015 #83
Sanders little elfs were busy. riversedge Dec 2015 #91
Good play on words this Christmas day. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #92
They had the opportunity to take it and so they did. livetohike Dec 2015 #3
It's like a thief who took money out of an unlocked car..... Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #5
Not really... bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #12
I think I will take this one step further... U of M Dem Dec 2015 #18
Exactly right. Bubzer Dec 2015 #19
Not realy , it's more like... PosterChild Dec 2015 #33
The argument has been that something was stolen... Human101948 Dec 2015 #37
You are quibbling and prevaricating about a... PosterChild Dec 2015 #75
Good, glad you admit you're wrong... Human101948 Dec 2015 #79
You are over your head in... PosterChild Dec 2015 #86
I'm not saying they didn't do the things you claim. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #49
You are quibbling and prevaricating about a... PosterChild Dec 2015 #76
That doesn't even make any sense Number23 Dec 2015 #39
But it does make sense. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #48
If you read it for two hours and dowloaded shit after knowing you shouldn't be there, yes it does Number23 Dec 2015 #50
Who says I don't understand? bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #51
Yes, the company messed up but the Sanders campaign took that mess up and ran with it Number23 Dec 2015 #52
Yeah...so whats the problem? bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #55
The problem is that so many Sanders supporters keep trying to place the blame for this on the Number23 Dec 2015 #56
Why wouldn't you want to be certain that this never happens again to any campaign? bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #61
Yeah, placing the blame on the people who deserve it is the problem Number23 Dec 2015 #62
I blame the staffers for their role. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #63
I'm sure your "concern" for the company and its security warms their hearts Number23 Dec 2015 #67
I have no concern for the company, they should never be hired again. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #72
It's clear you'll keep posting that the company is more to blame than everybody else Number23 Dec 2015 #73
This is exactly how it is. Excellent example, Cali_Dem. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #15
Thank you. Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #57
Nobody cares about your debunked talking point AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #35
Except for all the somebodies who do. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #84
The premise of Bernie's campaign is that he is above Dawson Leery Dec 2015 #4
The DNC are really good and fair people mmonk Dec 2015 #6
This has to be true because I keep repeating it in my head. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #28
Those are voices. May want to have that checked out. mmonk Dec 2015 #89
a hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha n/t eggplant Dec 2015 #30
. mmonk Dec 2015 #88
you left out this part: Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #7
stumbling on a glitch is not license to go in and help yourself in the meantime nt msongs Dec 2015 #9
No one is accusing anyone at the Sanders campaign for "breaking into the voter data". But they are BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #13
Thanks! Duval Dec 2015 #27
Just remember that because the safe is not locked-that does NOT give the Sanders's staff riversedge Dec 2015 #54
And that is why it was rated as only "mostly" false. They didn't set out intentionally pnwmom Dec 2015 #68
I wonder if one of the suspended staffers is the one LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #8
Thanks for posting this Gothmog Dec 2015 #10
Truly ridiculous what they are trying to deny. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #11
Just repeating Weavers narrative. joshcryer Dec 2015 #14
So, when Clinton loses to Sanders, you all will have something to blame it on... TheProgressive Dec 2015 #16
Proof of entrapment please. Thank you. leftofcool Dec 2015 #42
Prove Clinton did not steal Sanders data please. Thank You...! TheProgressive Dec 2015 #46
You would be yelling it from the rooftop if there was a sliver of evidence. But there is ZERO, riversedge Dec 2015 #93
Since she's not going to lose, I'm not worried about it. Beacool Dec 2015 #47
Can anyone tell me... tonedevil Dec 2015 #17
We've been saying this for days. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #20
Bernie Disappoints Alfresco Dec 2015 #21
No, only to the people who managed to hit Rec 15 times on this dumb OP litlbilly Dec 2015 #22
It's up to 36 now. ;-) Alfresco Dec 2015 #66
Exactly. leftofcool Dec 2015 #44
And continues to disappoint. tsk tsk tsk Alfresco Dec 2015 #90
Politifact is being extremely generous here. Number23 Dec 2015 #23
When I stepped off the plane, we had to duck our heads to avoid the gunfire. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #31
You guys' hyper defensive and desperate attempts to change the topic Number23 Dec 2015 #38
I'm just saying you might want to hold off on the pearl clutching because your candidate Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #70
So you're minimizing this so that you can type up crap from damn near 10 years ago Number23 Dec 2015 #74
They sure do know something new Voice for Peace Dec 2015 #24
I know you all want carla Dec 2015 #25
This clearly is not based on what the vendor says happened. Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #29
The vendor hasn't updated its website since the database logs were released. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #69
For Pete's sake... gregcrawford Dec 2015 #32
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #34
I hate to say it but... Alfresco Dec 2015 #40
Whatever Politicalboi Dec 2015 #41
Who is we. Please provide proof of your allegations. leftofcool Dec 2015 #45
Making up nasty stuff does not make things go well for you either. riversedge Dec 2015 #53
We KNOW you don't have one scintilla of evidence that she did. pnwmom Dec 2015 #71
Okay. Name them. NanceGreggs Dec 2015 #77
WTF planet are you coming from? MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #80
As Sir Humphrey Appleby would say... iandhr Dec 2015 #43
I thought it was 40 minutes iwillalwayswonderwhy Dec 2015 #58
Ha ha. And... Duh. Nt. seabeyond Dec 2015 #59
Imagine that.. LOFL Cha Dec 2015 #64
As this board demonstrates, Dawson Leery Dec 2015 #85
Sanders lied!! Oh no!! K & R nt Persondem Dec 2015 #87
I don't think the politifact people undrestood what Bernie was trying to say. Vattel Dec 2015 #94
First Sanders supporters try to unskew the polls Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #95
I don't think you understand what Sanders was trying to say. Vattel Dec 2015 #96
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